IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA CASE NO:502008CA028051XXXXMB AB Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN an ' Defendants. DEPOSITION OF JANUSZ BANASIAK Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:09 - 2:30 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue South Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Job No.: 1317 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page | of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006665 EFTA00158250

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FARMER, ~~ through 8. ATTERBURY (561) 832-7500 PROSE ( Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) JAFFE, WEISSING, EDWARDS FISTOS & LEHRMAN Pp -L. 8 On behalf of the Plaintiff Jane Does No.'s 10 STUART MERMELSTEIN, ESQUIRE MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, P.A. 11 13 14 15 On behalf of the Defendant, Jeffrey Epstein Witness: 16 17 JACK ALAN GOLDBERGER, ESQUIRE GOLDBERGER & WEISS, RT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Page 2 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff, .. || and Jane Doe: 3 BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, ESQUIRE 1 and the 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 2 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006666 EFTA00158251

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WITNESS: DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT JANUSZ BANASTAK BY MR. EDWARDS EXHIBITS EXHIBITS DESCRIPTION PLAINTIFFS' . PHOTO PLAINTIFFS' . PHOTO PLAINTIFFS' . PHOTO PLAINTIFFS' . PHOTO PLAINTIFFS' . PHOTO (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 3 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006667 EFTA00158252

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Page 4 1 PROCEEDINGS 2 - se 3 Deposition taken before Cynthia Hopkins, 4 Registered Professional Reporter and Florida 5 Professional Reporter, and Notary Public in and for 6 the State of Florida at Large, in the above cause. 7 - - - 8 Thereupon, its) (JANUSZ BANASIAK) 10 Having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was 11 examined and testified as follows: 12 THE WITNESS: Yes, ma'am. 13 DIRECT EXAMINATION 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: 15 Q. Would you tell us your full name. 16 A Janusz Banasiak. 17 Q. Could you spell that for us. 18 A. J-a-n-u-s-z, Banasiak, B like boy, 19 B-a-n-a-s-i-a-k. (561) 832-7500 PROSE URT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 4 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006668 EFTA00158253

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Page 5 Le om mmm me a And where are you currently employed? 9 A. With Jeffrey Epstein. 10 Q. How long have you been employed with 11 Jeffrey Epstein? 12 A. Since February 2005. 13 Q. What do you do for him? 14 A. My position is called a house manager. So, 15 basically my duties is to make sure that house is in 16 good order when he is around visiting. 17 Q. And have your duties always been the same 18 since February, 2005 through -- 19 A Yes. 20 Q. -- the present? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Okay. Have you ever had your deposition 23 taken before? 24 A. No. This is my first time. 25 Q. All right. The rules are pretty simple. (561) 832-7500 PROSE URT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1te 3507-011 Page 5 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006669 EFTA00158254

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Page 6 We only have one court Reporter, so it's important that we don't talk over one another. I will wait until you finish your answer. You wait for me to finish my question. A. Okay. Q. Give us an answer similar to what you are doing that we all understand. It's easy when we get into a casual conversation and nod your head or shake your head, but the court reporter can't take it down so just something verbal. A. Okay. Q. If I ask a question you don't understand, tell me you don't understand. A. Okay. Q. So, who hired you to work with Jeffrey Epstein in February of 2005? A. Who hired me? Q. Right. A. I got the phone call from my agency because I signed with agency that Jeffrey Epstein looking for the position in Palm Beach. Q. And what agency was that? A. This was Regal Domestic, Regal Domestic. I am not sure but something with the Domestic. The office was in Maryland. I signed to the Internet. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 6 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006670 EFTA00158255

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Page 7 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. I signed a few of them. Then one of them, the 3 one who called me they were the one from Maryland. 4 Q. And what was your -- A. They told me that they had an opening position 6 in Palm Beach, Florida. 7 Q. And did you know Jeffrey Epstein before 8 working with him? 9 A No, no 10 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTID AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b$d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 7 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006671 EFTA00158256

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Page 8 b ~ || | | || || || || mmm eee ee Q. And when you started in 2005 when you 18 heard that there was a job position with Jeffrey 19 Epstein, did you interview for that position? N o P Yes. ND a c Who did you interview with? 22 A First I got interviewed with Ghislaine 23 Maxwell. 24 Q. And that's G-h-i-s-l-a-i-n-e, Maxwell? 25 A. Right, right. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTID AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b$d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 8 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006672 EFTA00158257

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Q. Where did that interview take place? A. In New York. Q. And it was for the position as house manager in the Palm Beach house, correct? A. Right. Q. That's at 358 Albrillo way? A. Correct. Q. Why were you interviewed in New York, if you know? A. Because at that time I was living in New York with my friends and so -- Q. Where did the interview take place in New A. In her house on 65th Street. Q. Whose house, do you know? A. Ghislaine Maxwell. Q. So, Ghislaine Maxwell interviewed you back in 2005 at her house in New York for a position at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach? A. Right. Q. And what did the interview consist of? What did she ask you? A. She asked me basic questions, you know, what's my previous employer, how long I work for them and basically she was checking my resume. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 9 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006673 EFTA00158258

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Page 10 Q. Okay. And did she ask you about a starting salary? A. No, not yet. We just was a preliminary interview, checking. Q. How long was the interview? How long? Yes. How long did it last? Yeah. How long did the interview Maybe 20 minutes, half an hour. All right. After that interview, what's your next contact with either Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein or anybody else associated with that job? A. My second interview with Jeffrey Epstein after a few days. Q. And where did that take place? A. In his office on Madison Avenue. Q. What's the address there? A. I don't remember physical address. It was 27, 5lst Street. Madison and 5lst Street, corner. I don't remember physical address. Q. Okay. And what did you speak with Mr. Epstein about during that interview? A. Same thing. He ask me how long I work for || (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) INC. (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 10 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006674 EFTA00158259

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Page 11 a. what was my duty, basically the same thing. Q. Did you talk about salary with him? A. No. Q. All right. So, what happened in that interview to further your position with Jeffrey Epstein? A. After I finish interview with him I, I waiting for a few days. And I got the phone call from secretary that I had been accepted and offered the job. Q. Okay. Who made that phone call to you? A. One of the secretary. I don't remember her name right now. She told me that they agreed to hire me. Q. Is this a secretary that is located in the New York office? A. Yes, yes. It was a call from the New York Q. And she told you that you were being offered the job? A. Right. Q. And at that point in time were you offered a salary? A. Yes. Q. Okay. So up to that point, you had made (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 11 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006675 EFTA00158260

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it clear to them that you wanted a job but not necessarily how much you wanted to be paid? A. Yes. Q. All right. And what was your starting salary? A. It was $58,000, I think, yeah. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein or anybody else during this interview process tell you why the house manager position had become available, meaning somebody quit or why it was vacant? A. No, no, he didn't. Nobody mention it. Q. Okay. Do you know who the house manager was prior to you being the house manager? A. When I get to Palm Beach, one of the people who work over there they told me that this guy working currently for him Alfredo Rodriguez. Q. Alfredo Rodriguez? A. Yes. Q. And who told you that Alfredo Rodriguez was the previous house manager, do you remember who? A. I think it was | a. currently employed with him. Q. | | is still employed by him, right? A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) She is (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 12 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006676 EFTA00158261

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And she's a housekeeper or something? A. Right. Q. All right. So, when this secretary of New York calls and offers you the job at $58,000, you accept the job? A. Yes. Q. And do you remember about what month that was that January 2005 or so? A. No. I think I start February 2005, but I, I got a phone call I think it was end of December, 2004. Q. Okay. So, the previous interview with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein happened sometime in late 2004? A. Right. Q. Okay. And when you say you got the job in February 2005, is that when you came down to Palm Beach to start working? A. Yes. So, you had a month or so to gather your stuff and get down? A. Correct. Q. And did you move down with anybody? No, just myself. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 13 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006677 EFTA00158262

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Page 14 | ee | ee | ee | | | ee | ee | a 8 Q. So, you came down in February 2005 and 9 began working. What did you, what did you first 10 start doing for Jeffrey Epstein? 11 A. First I doing? I don't remember nothing 12 special. 13 Q. Okay. Well, were you working -- I will 14 rephrase it. Were you working only for Jeffrey 15 Epstein or were you working also for Ghislaine 16 Maxwell, the other person who interviewed you, or 17 anybody else in the house? 18 A. I guess only for him because she was visiting 19 a few times house, but I am employed by him. 20 Q. Okay. What was your understanding at that 21 time as to the relationship between Ghislaine 22 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? 23 A. They were like partners in business. 24 Q. Okay. What business was that, if you (561) 832-7500 PROSE RT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 io) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1te 3507-011 Page 14 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006678 EFTA00158263

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Page 15 A. I don't know what kind of business but she was the one who organized I would say employment with this organization. So, whatever I need, if I have some kind of problem, I contact her. She was the one who decided what I have to answer my problems with, what I was supposed to do. Q. How many times did you have problems where you had to go through her? A. Well, not big problems. Just a question of what certain, how to do certain things. For example, what kind of flowers I have to buy, what kind of things he likes, what time I supposed to serve him coffee in the mornings, sort of organizing things. Q. Those are things that you wouldn't ask Jeffrey Epstein directly? A. No, no. He doesn't like those things to ask him directly. He would like to prefer either through his assistant or like I say, Ghislaine Maxwell. Q. Is that still the same today? A. Yes, still the same. Unless, something happen that I need to, nobody is around and I need to urgently contact him, I go to him directly. Q. So, for the most part if you have a question or at least -- let's go back to 2005, you had a question about what needed to be done in the (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 15 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006679 EFTA00158264

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Page 16 house, day-to-day stuff, you would ask Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Right. Q. And would she normally, back in 2005, be at the house in Palm Beach for you to ask her or would you have to call her in New York? A. To the phone up in New York. She was visiting the house but most of the time I spoke with her on the phone. Q. Okay. Let's talk specifically about that year in 2005. How often would Ghislaine Maxwell be at the Palm Beach house when Jeffrey Epstein was at the Palm Beach house? A. I would say about once a month since I started work. Q. All right. Well, it was a bad question because I understand that Mr. Epstein has several homes, right? A. Right. Q. And he is sometimes in New Mexico or New York or Florida or the Island or somewhere, right? A. Right. Q. So, I guess the first question is in 2005, how often was Jeffrey Epstein at the Palm Beach house on a weekly basis? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 16 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006680 EFTA00158265

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Page 17 Probably like two, three times a month. Q. And when he would come to the Palm Beach house two or three times a month, how long would he stay typically? A. Three days, sometimes two, sometimes four, depends, you know, but it was no regular -- but no more than four days I would say. Q. Okay. And of those two or three trips to Palm Beach, are you telling me that Ghislaine Maxwell would usually come for one of them per month? A. Not usually, sometimes. Not every time but sometimes they, she comes. Q. Okay. But at that point in time in 2005 you understood that Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were business partners? A. Right. Q. Did you know at the time what Jeffrey Epstein did for a living? A. Yes. He was one, I overheard invest money with other people. Q. Okay. Who told you that or who did you overhear? A. I think I read in the paper or something. Nobody -- (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 17 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0000668 1 EFTA00158266

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Page 18 Q. So, you don't actually think you overheard it. You think you read it? A. Right. It's hard to say right now. I don't remember but probably most, yeah, I think I read in the paper. Q. Did you understand in 2005 that Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein had an intimate relationship with one another? A. No. Q. You only believed them to have a business relationship? A. Right. Q. Okay. And when Ghislaine Maxwell would come to Florida, what did you or what did you observe her and Mr. Epstein do back in 2005? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: What would they do? I mean what? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What was a typical day for Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell when she was in town at the same time he was in town. A. I would say that they have breakfast in the morning. They spend time reading, talking on the phone, meeting people, go to the movies sometimes. They did (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 18 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006682 EFTA00158267

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Page 19 entertain a lot. They did go out for dinners I would say. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you know at that time what Ghislaine Maxwell did for a living? A. No. Q. Do you know today even what she did? A. No. Q. No. Back in 2005 to your knowledge, did Jeffrey Epstein have a girlfriend or female companion that was more than just a business partner to your knowledge? A. No, I didn't know. Q. And for the most part I am going to try to go chronological from 2005 to the present, but for this question for that entire period of time that you have known Jeffrey Epstein, 2005 through today, have you ever known Jeffrey Epstein to have somebody who you would observe to be a female companion or girlfriend? o. okay. [ HMM. when is the first time that you believe you recognized | | | as a girlfriend to Jeffrey Epstein? A. At one point, I don't remember exactly what (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 19 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006683 EFTA00158268

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Page 20 year was it, he told us that i will take some part of the organization, organizing, scheduling. And she would decide, you know, which way household supposed to work, and if you have any questions or problems, we could contact her. So, since then I figure out that she's the person who, who is close to him. Q. When did he tell you that? A. I don't remember. Maybe a year ago, two years Q. Okay. Well, if we could put it in -- obviously at this point in time Jeffrey Epstein is on house arrest, right? A. (Witness nods head). Q. I'm sorry. It has to be verbal so she could take it down. A. Yes. Q. And prior to that, he was serving a jail sentence, right? A. Right. Q. Okay. I am only bringing this up to put it in context as to when this -- when you realized or were told information that led you to believe | | fF was Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend. Was it while he was on house arrest, while he was in jail, before that, after that? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-75 06 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 20 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006684 EFTA00158269

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Page A. I think before, before house arrest, yes. I mean house arrest, jail sentence. Q. Before the jail sentence? A. Right. Q. So, I can tell you the jail sentence at least the plea was June 30th, 2008. So, you believe it was sometime prior to that date when you learned that | | FY was the girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein? A. Correct. Q. Okay. And when I asked you what gave you that belief, you started to tell me that the conversation was actually Jeffrey Epstein telling you that | | fF would be more in charge of what happened around the house, the scheduling, and things like that, right? A. Correct. Q. But that's similar to how Ghislaine Maxwell's role was described before, right? And that's not somebody that you considered a girlfriend. So how do you distinguish || and Ghislaine's role? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I noticed that they, they spent some times together, more time together Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 21 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 21 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006685 EFTA00158270

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and they travel together very often. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. || you're talking about? A. Right. And i. and she was visiting very Page 22 often so I assume, you know, that there is some kind of relationship between them. Q. Okay. And when you say they are spending time together, do you mean they are spending time upstairs in the bedroom together, things like that that would give you an idea? A. No. I mean traveling together. They always shop together when he was here. And when they go to other places, she was with him too. Q. Okay. Was | FY already somebody that had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein in February of 2005 when you first started working? A. No. I don't think so. I don't remember her when I do the job. I don't remember her. Q. So, you think -- I am sorry? A. I don't remember the, 2005 when I started job, I don't remember her being around at least a few months. Q. Okay. A. So, I recognize her and I met her probably after a few months working for him. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 22 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006686 EFTA00158271

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Page 23 Q. So, you think that the first time that you saw || a. if you started working in February of 2005, may have been April or May 2005? A. Could be. Q. I am not going to hold to you to an exact date, but just so I can put it in a timeline. A. Could be. I don't remember exactly the one, but at least a few months. Q. And when you were introduced to her, do you remember where it was? A. Probably -- I don't know. Here I guess she Q. At the house? A. At the house I guess. I don't remember. I can't recall. Q. And do you know how Jeffrey Epstein met a a: A. No, I don't. Q. The time when you met i PF did it appear to you that Jeffrey Epstein was meeting her at the same time or he already knew her? A. I assume he knew her. She was here in the house in Palm Beach. I assumed he knew her. Q. Okay. It didn't seem like a brand new guest? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 23 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006687 EFTA00158272

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Page A. No. Q. Okay. But at that point in time -- well, let me ask you; I don't want to put words in your mouth. The time in April or May or around that area in 2005 when you think is the first time that you saw | FY at the Palm Beach house, what was your understanding of her role in Jeffrey Epstein's life at that time? A. I suppose one of his friends. Q. Just a friend? A. Right. Q. Have you since 2005 through the present seen any interaction between | and Mr. Epstein that would give you further reason to believe they are boyfriend and girlfriend or a couple? A. Yeah. I saw him walking with her, you know, holding her hand. I mean her hands, so I assume that there is more than friendship between them. Q. Okay. And when you came in 2005, did you at the house in Palm Beach? A. Yes. There is a small house attached to the house. They call it staff house where I live. Q. Okay. And is that the place where you resided since you began working in February through the present? 24 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 24 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006688 EFTA00158273

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Page 25 A. Yes. Q. And that's a staff house that's on the property, same property? A. Right. Q. Okay. All right. In your time living at the staff house -- well, we'll get there. Do you understand -- you understand why you're here today and having your deposition taken, correct? I mean, you know what this case is about? A. Yes. Q. And it revolves around young females going over to Jeffrey Epstein's house on a regular or frequent basis, correct? A. Correct. Q. And that's something that you observed? A. Yes. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And when is the first time, you know, if you got here in February 2005 when is the first time that you noticed young females arriving to Jeffrey Epstein's -- MR. GOLDBERGER: Object to form. MR. EDWARDS: -- house. MR. GOLDBERGER: You can go ahead and (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d16 3507-011 Page 25 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006689 EFTA00158274

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answer. MR. EDWARDS: There are times during the deposition that your attorney is going to object to the form of the question. And that's a legal objection and so that he is making his record and maybe this attorney will do the same. MR. GOLDBERGER: I will tell you if you can't answer the question. Otherwise answer the question. THE WITNESS: Can you repeat the question? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Sure. No problem. If you got here in February of 2005 to begin work -- A. Right. Q. -- when is the first time that you remember observing young females coming to the house? Was it the first day, is it the second day, is it a month, is it -- MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: It's -- I don't remember, you know, exactly what was the first, second or third day during my, you know, working hours. Like, I cannot tell you exactly which day was it, but, yes, I notice that those young women (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 26 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006690 EFTA00158275

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Page were coming for massage. And most of the time I opened the door for them and let them in. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. Well, the civil aspect of these cases has been going on for almost a year and a half, almost two years. And prior to that you're aware that there was a criminal investigation into the same activity, right? A. Yes. Q. And through this discovery process, information and belief leads us to an understanding that these young females were coming to the house in Palm Beach every day that Jeffrey Epstein was staying at the house; is that fair to say? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I wouldn't say every day. They come very often but not every day. Maybe like if he was staying four days, probably like two, maybe three days. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. So, sometimes you remember there being days where these young females I am describing did not come to the house or at least you didn't see them? A. Right. 27 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 27 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006691 EFTA00158276

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Page 28 MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And for the most part you were told -- strike that. Your testimony is that you were told these were young females that were coming over for the purposes of giving massages? A. Yes. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Who told you that? A. Who told me that? ia. Jeffrey Epstein's assistant. Q. Okay. Were you told prior to you coming down here in February 2005 that there would be these young females coming over to the house very frequently to give massages? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. So, when you first started working, you were not forewarned that these females would be coming to the house? A. No. Q. All right. When was it -- did J te11 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 28 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006692 EFTA00158277

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Page you -- tell me exactly what it was that | told you so that I can use your own words to formulate 29 questions. What was it that | told you about these girls coming over for massages? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Either she told me or she called me and let me know that, for example, certain time this woman, she mentioned name, will come over, so I should let her in. That was the procedure I followed. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. So, just so that I understand what you are saying, are you saying that the conversation or the words that were spoken to you would be, did she call you Janusz? A. Janusz, right. Q. Janusz, | is coming over today at 9:00. Let her in. She's coming for a massage? A. Correct. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Please, if that's -- if she said something different to you such as, hey, there is a massage therapist coming over, then tell me. I am just trying to get it accurate. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 29 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006693 EFTA00158278

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A. Yeah. You were accurate in the first. Q. So, then she may say, at 4:00 Hi. is coming over to the house to give a massage; let her in? A. Correct. Q. Okay. How soon after your first day on the job did you get this call from | | telling you that some female's name would be coming over for the purpose of providing a massage? A. Maybe on the third or fourth day of my work. I don't remember exactly how much. Q. That was some day when Jeffrey had flown into town and he was there? A. Yes. Q. Do you think that you were told by || | that one of these young females would be arriving to the house to provide a massage prior to the first time you observed one of these young females coming to the house to provide a massage? Do you understand the question? A. No, not really. Q. Okay. What I'm asking is were you at the house one day and a girl knocks on the door, hey, I'm here to give you a massage and you go I don't even know why, I don't know who you are; or did (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 30 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006694 EFTA00158279

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Page 31 || call you and say, hi, i. is coming over to provide a massage at X-time and then i. showed up? Do you see what I am saying? Which came first, the girl or the comment? A. No. First was either a phone call or conversation with ia. Q. So, there was never any surprise by anybody? A. No, no. Q. And did you ask any questions whatsoever when || said, hey, let her in, this person is coming over for a massage? A. No, no question. Q. Do you remember the names of any of these young females that came over to provide massages? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: You just mentioned a few of them. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I just picked them out of a hat. A. .. a. and other, I don't know. don't remember. Q. i. sound familiar? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. It's hard to remember (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 31 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006695 EFTA00158280

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right now but I don't recall right now her name. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I don't expect you to remember all of the names. To me that's not important for today's purposes. Is it fair to say that oftentimes there would be a massage in the morning by one of these females and a massage in the afternoon the same day? A. Yes. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. In fact, you know, you're not the first witness who has testified as to what goes on in the house. So is it, is my understanding correct that there was a specific appointment set and a time set for these girls to come over and that | | would keep that appointment book? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know if she kept appointment, but most, I mean, almost -- yeah, all the time I, I knew who is coming so -- BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And you said you knew the time? A. Yes. Maybe it was like 50 minutes delay or they show up late, but I knew because I have to let them Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 32 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006696 EFTA00158281

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in. So, it has to be, you know, some kind of announcement that they are here. Q. Was it always | telling you the name of the person and the time that that person would be coming over for a massage? A. Yes, most of the time. Q. Okay. A. I think there was another name, Ea. ° ii A. She also contact me when she has been hired. Q. When you say contacted you, that implies that you're not in the same house when she's telling you what time this person is coming over? A. Yeah. I mean, if I have nothing to do in the main house, I have an office in the staff house where I sit over there and I do some paperwork. So, either they call me on the phone or come in and tell me face-to-face. Q. So, when P| and would call, when you're telling me that F or || would call you and tell you who was coming over and what time that person was set to come over, you're, you're saying that that call would be made from the main house to the staff house or it would either be made in person depending on whatever it was? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 33 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006697 EFTA00158282

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Correct. Q. But everybody is at the property at Palm Beach. That's what we're talking about? A. Yes. Q. And the first time that you noticed one of these young females coming over to provide what || | told you was a massage, do you remember who it was the first person you saw? A. No, I don't remember. Q. All right. Did you get to know any of A. No. Q. -- females? Did you have much personal interaction with them? A. No. Just good morning, hello and -- Q. Fair to say that no matter who it was, whether it was i. or | or any of the other ones, their routine from the time that they come to the door and knock on the door until the time that they leave was relatively the same? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. And so if generically you can just remember the typical scenario of let's say .. for (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 34 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006698 EFTA00158283

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Page 35 instance, somebody that you remember coming to the door, can you tell me in your own words what you observed from the time she arrived at the house until the time that she left. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. MR. EDWARDS: And just so the record is clear, let's -- you've already been told by || a. i. is coming this time and then she arrives at the door. So tell me what happens from there. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yeah. I hear the doorbell. I went out. She introduce herself. I let her into the kitchen. I offer her something to drink and she sit in the kitchen and I left to do some other stuff. And let her, let | | know that she's there. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. A. And sometimes I don't even, you know, notice when they are leaving because, you know, the girls open the door and just left. Q. So, you were usually the person to greet them but not always the person to walk them out? A. Right. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 35 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006699 EFTA00158284

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Q. All right. So, your role was to greet them at the door, offer them something to eat or drink, and then turn them over to ; | for lack of a better -- A. Right. Q. And then, you know, at some point in time, you had a chance to observe what | | did with one or more of these girls in terms of where she took them for the message and things like that, right? A. Right. QO. So, tell me what would | | then do? Let's use i. for instance. She comes in. You offer her something to eat or drink. And then you say, all right a. i. is here. What happens after that? A. She took her to, to the bedroom upstairs and that's it. Q. Okay. And did you know at the time that Jeffrey Epstein was in the bedroom upstairs? A. I didn't know. I assumed but I never know so it's -- Q. You just knew that he wasn't somewhere downstairs with you? A. Exactly. Q. All right. And the massage was (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 36 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006700 EFTA00158285

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supposedly, the massage table was upstairs? A. Right. Q. Did you know the massage table was upstairs? Page 37 A. I didn't see that at the time of them, but going a couple of times I folded massage table and put in there in the closet. Q. You have been up to Mr. Epstein's bedroom? A. Yes. Q. I've been in the house recently but I don't know if the house looks today like it looked back in 2005. In fact, I'm led to believe that it's changed somewhat? A. Yes. Q. Before we continue on with the typical massage experience with the young females and Mr. Epstein, I want you to tell me since 2005, since you began working there, how, what changes have been made to the interior of the house? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: There is a new addition to the kitchen. It's like a breakfast table. The living room is different. It's bigger. knocked down a few walls over there. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) They (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 37 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006701 EFTA00158286

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BY MR. EDWARDS: Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Where did they knock down walls? In the living room. In the living room? Yes. And the bedroom has been changed. Whose bedroom? Master bedroom. Mr. Epstein's room. Mr. Epstein's bedroom was changed? Yes. In what way? The ceiling was different. How? They somehow -- the different shape. was a flat one and they somehow, the designer out how to make different ceiling. You know, flat. Q. A. Okay. There figured it's not a It's sort of like I would say a rectangle. And the room leading to the master bedroom is also ceiling reconstruct. Q. A. Okay. That's the little -- It's not a flat. It's like a -- the one room leading to the master bedroom. Q. (561) 832-7500 Right now it has starfish in it, that one? Right, right. It's like a little hallway type room? PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 38 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006702 EFTA00158287

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Yes, yes. How, how is that room changed? Before the ceiling was flat. Now it's sort of like a -- Q. So, the change was to the ceiling? A. Yes. Q. Okay. What other changes? A. Swimming pool is bigger. The cabana has been extended. There has been built a wall on the south side of the property. Q. A wall on the south side of the property? A. Right. Q. When was that done? A. During the reconstruction of the house at the same time, and I guess that's it. Q. Okay. When you walk in through -- when these young females would come for the purposes of giving massages, would they -- typically they would go to the back door near the kitchen, right? A. Yes. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And then when you walk in the kitchen as I remember, you walk in the door and then you take a left and you're in the kitchen, right? You walk in (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 39 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006703 EFTA00158288

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Page 40 that back door and then you take a left and you're in the kitchen? A. Right. Q. And then there on your right-hand side as you walk in the kitchen, there are several what appear to be closets but one of them is a stairwell, right? A. Correct. Q. Back in 2005 was there -- did that stairwell still have a door you opened and you go up the stairs? A. Yes. Q. That hasn't changed? A. No. Q. And at the top of the stairs it seemed to me I guess that it curves a little bit to the left as you walk up the stairs. A. Right. Q. And then at the top there is another door. You open it and you step out onto the second floor? A. Yes. Q. And then if you make a right, you walk past the other circular stairwell and you walk into that hallway that now has the starfish in it? A. Correct. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 40 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006704 EFTA00158289

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Q. And then you continue on and you're in Mr. Epstein's bedroom? A. Yes. Q. On each side of his bed there is a bathroom area. One is a shower and sauna maybe? A. Right. Q. And that's if you're facing his bed, it's on the right side? A. Yes. Q. And inside that room with the shower and the sauna, is that where the massage table was always laid out? A. I assume. When I mention -- Q. When you saw it. A. It was in this room. Q. Okay. I am not going to ask you to guess about anything. I just want to know when you saw it, was that where the table was? A. Yes, yes. Q. All right. So, when the -- let's say .. for instance, would come over and you would tell , | that she's here, would | | then walk her up that stairway that comes out of the kitchen? A. Yes. Q. And then at that point you just went about (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 41 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006705 EFTA00158290

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doing your own business? A. Correct. Page 42 Q. And then later that afternoon or the following day there might be | or some other young female that was there to also give Mr. Epstein a massage? A. Right. Q. And do you remember how many different females, young females that were there to give hima massage -- I don't know what else to call them so that we both understand each other -- do you remember how many that you saw during your employment with Mr. Epstein? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: How many? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Yeah. I mean are we talking about 20 or are we talking about 100, or are we talking about, you know? A. I would say from my perspective between 10 and 15 I would say differently. Q. And the time period that you remember -- do they still come to the house? A. No. Q. Since Mr. Epstein has been on house (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 42 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006706 EFTA00158291

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Page 43 arrest, have you noticed any young females there to give him a massage? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. While he was in jail but on work release, did Mr. Epstein ever go to the house? A. On the work release? Q. When he was on work release -- A. Right. Q. -- did he have occasion to visit the A. No, no. Q. Okay. He -- A. No. I think he was visiting his The thing he was visiting was his office. Q. His office in West Palm Beach? A. Yes, yes. Q. Which is actually in this building, right? A. Yes, yes. Q. So, the period of time, just so that I understand when you would see these young females coming to the house to give him a massage, was from February of 2005, around when you started, through what point in time? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 43 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006707 EFTA00158292

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Page 44 A. When police raided the house and confiscated all the stuff, and I guess that was the end of the visiting. Q. When you say -- THE COURT REPORTER: The end of the visiting? THE WITNESS: Visiting. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. The end of the visiting by these young females? A. Yes. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Well, I mean, after that point in time he has had other visitors in the house, right? You're just talking about no more visiting from the young females that were there to give him a massage? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. So, your testimony is that these young females providing Mr. Epstein a massage, as you were told, occurred from the point in time when you started working in February of 2005 through the time that the search warrant was executed on his (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 44 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006708 EFTA00158293

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Page house? A. Correct. Q. And have you known Mr. Epstein to receive a massage since the search warrant was executed on his house? A. No, I don't remember. Q. You don't remember or it hasn't happened? A. I don't remember. Well, he, he didn't visit the house, I guess, after search warrant. Q. Okay. After the search warrant executed, where did he go, Mr. Epstein? A. I think he spent time in New York. Q. Okay. A. I don't remember visiting him. Maybe once. Q. Okay. So, then is it also your testimony that not only was the visiting from the young females ended at the point in time of the search warrant, but Mr. Epstein, after the search warrant was executed, he didn't stay at the house until he was out of his office jail sentence and on house arrest? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I mean after this the house has been under renovation, so there was nothing going on. 45 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 45 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006709 EFTA00158294

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Page 46 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I understand there may be some other reasons for it. I'm just trying to get a time period when Mr. Epstein was gone from the house. A. Right. Q. And I'm understanding your testimony as from the search warrant being executed to the point in time where he is on house arrest and now living at that house, he was not at the house for you to observe him? A. Yes. Q. That's true? A. True. Q. Okay. So, during that period of time, it's your belief that he was living in New York or somewhere else? A. Correct. Q. Okay. And do you know the housekeeper in New York? Or the house manager in New York, sorry? A. Yes, rich Barnett. Q. Rich Barnett? A. Yeah, Barnett. B-a-r, Barnett. I don't know how to spell it. Q. Okay. Have you talked to him? A. Yes. I met him a few times when I was there. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d16 3507-011 Page 46 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006710 EFTA00158295

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Page 47 Q. Okay. Do you know whether Mr. Epstein had any massages when he was staying in New York in the time period after the search warrant was executed and before he was released on house arrest? A. I don't know. Q. Okay. That, is that a topic that you have discussed with Rich Barnett? A. No. Q. All right. As you noticed different underage -- sorry, strike that. As you noticed different young females coming with frequency to Mr. Epstein's house to provide him a massage, did you ever question why they were coming? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know how Mr. Epstein knew or met these young females? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you tell anybody about these young females coming to the house to provide Mr. Epstein a massage prior to the search warrant being executed? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 47 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006711 EFTA00158296

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Page 48 THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you have any knowledge of what was going on inside the bedroom with these young females and Mr. Epstein? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did anybody in the house, a. i. i. anybody else in the house back in 2005 and before the search warrant was executed, speak about the purpose for these young females to be at the house? A. A massage. That's the only thing that was ever said? Yes. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Brad, would you mind if could take a break for a few minutes? MR. EDWARDS: That's fine. We can take a break. (A brief recess was held.) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. When was the first time that you were told that there was something more than a massage going on inside the bedroom with Mr. Epstein? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 48 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006712 EFTA00158297

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Page 49 MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Nobody told me nothing about this. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Well, at some point in time the police talked to you, didn't they? A. No, they didn't talk to me. They just show Q. Oh, really? A. Yeah. And they read me a piece of paper that they have a search warrant issue by the judge and this was the only moment I, I learn what was going on and -- Q. That's what I am saying. I'm not saying -- I asked a bad question or there was some miscommunication. I don't mean did somebody -- did Mr. Epstein or | | or one of them tell you what was going inside the bedroom. I'm not asking that. You already told me that the only thing that they ever told you was that it was a massage. A. Right. Q. Okay. I am saying when is the first time that anybody including the police, U.S. Attorney's office, FBI, whoever you talked to, when was the first time that anybody else told you that there was something more than a massage going on inside (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 49 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006713 EFTA00158298

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Page 50 Mr. Epstein's bedroom with these young females that were there to, as you learned or were told, him a massage? When was the first time? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form, form. to give THE WITNESS: The moment they were in the house that they show up that it was the purpose of the search warrant. So, this is when I learn. Before that I didn't know anything about what was going on beside the massage. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. It looks like by the police report, and this is an 87 page police, Palm Beach Police Department Incident Report, says on October 20th, 2005, at 9:36, the Investigations Unit executed a search warrant and as we entered onto the property, we encountered the house manager, who was in the guest portion of the house? A. Right. Q. And you remember that -- A. Yes. Janusz, Q. -- when they executed the search warrant. And what do you recall exactly happening when they were executing the search warrant? Who approached you? What did they show you? A. I was at that time at my desk doing my (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 50 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006714 EFTA00158299

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Page 51 paperwork. And I saw through the window a couple uniform -- I would say not uniform but with the badges on their chest, guys. And they entered my office and they introduced themselves and they told me that they have a search warrant for the property. So, they ask me to step outside and they put me in the front of the wall and videotape reading search warrant for me. Q. They read the search warrant to you? A. Right. Q. And when they first arrived to the house -- obviously when police all arrive at the house, it tells you that they have reason to believe that something illegal had happened there? A. Correct. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form, form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I mean, that's, from your observations and your knowledge you knew that the police believed something illegal had happened in the house? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Right. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And at that moment when you see these police at the house executing a search warrant, did (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 51 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006715 EFTA00158300

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Page 52 you know exactly what it was that they were there for? A. No. Q. So, in your mind it could have been somebody killed somebody or there were drugs or anything; you had no idea? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Right. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. But you had observed over a period of time with great frequency these young females coming to Mr. Epstein's house, right? A. Right. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And did something go off in your mind that something about that must be why the police are here? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Well, that's -- you would agree? A. I am sorry. I was shocked when I saw them. Q. Okay. You were shocked. Well, weren't you told prior to the search warrant being executed (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 52 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006716 EFTA00158301

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Page 53 that police at some point in time would be coming to the house? A. No. Q. You weren't? A. No. Q. All right. Do you remember there being computers, a lot of computers in the house prior, sometime prior to the search warrant being executed? A. Yes, yes. Q. And at the time the search warrant was executed those computers had already been removed from the house, right? A. Right. Q. It was -- they were removed from the house within a month of the search warrant being executed, do you remember that? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember exactly how long before, but yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know why they were removed from house? A. No. Q. Were you told why computers were being taken out of the house when they were taken? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 53 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006717 EFTA00158302

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(Witness shakes head.) And I'm sorry. No. I understood you when you shook your head. I realize what you told me but I am sorry. I told you it was easy to forget. Do you remember who it was that personally removed the computers and equipment from the property? Was it Mr. Epstein, was it a lawyer, was it, do you remember? A. It was a. Q. All right. And I am of the understanding that there were several computers that were removed from the house, correct? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes, three of them. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Three? And to your knowledge F removed all of them? A. She show up one day with gentleman. I don't remember his name. And she told me that they are moving out those computers. Q. And where were the computers? Which rooms were the computers in that were removed by | and this gentleman you're describing? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 54 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006718 EFTA00158303

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Page 55 A. One was in cabana. One, the other second one was in living room and one was in small office next to the kitchen. Q. All right. In your time at the house prior to that, is it fair to say those computers had never been removed before? A. I remember that there was to bring some new ones to replace them at some point. I don't know remember exactly if it was for upgrading, but they change computers very often I would say. Q. All right. But the computers -- the removal by F and this individual, that wasn't done -- we're talking about a different -- that's not a time where they were replacing computers. This was just removing computers from the house? A. Yes. Q. And did you receive any explanation as to why the computers were being removed from the house? A. No. Q. Did you ever have occasion to use any of the three computers that were removed from the house? A. No. I never, I never, you know, touch them, never use them. I have my own computer in my office, so I use this computer. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 55 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006719 EFTA00158304

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Page Q. Is your computer in your office A. Yes. Q. Let me finish. Is the computer in your office linked up with the three computers that were removed from the house? Meaning, can you look at the system and see what is on those three computers? A. No, no. Q. Is it your understanding that those three computers are linked with one another or do you know? A. I don't know, but I, I doubt it. They are separate I guess. Q. Okay. Were you aware that Mr. Epstein used a Citrix program to link various computers? Did you know that? A. Yeah. I use Citrix too in my computer for exchanging e-mails and get through Internet. Q. Okay. So, is it your understanding that the only connection then through Citrix with these computers, these various computers that were in Mr. Epstein's home, was for e-mail purposes? A. Yes. Q. Okay. To your knowledge, you're not familiar with those computers sharing other files or information? 56 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 56 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006720 EFTA00158305

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Page A. No. Q. That's not something that you were, you were privy to? You weren't, you weren't in the loop of the sharing of information in the house in terms of the computers being connected through any server? 57 A. I don't really know what, how, how to answer your question because Citrix is for the whole organization to exchange e-mail between employees. Q. All right. You used the term? A. So, even my computer is connected to Citrix. I can receive mail and I can e-mail information to employee within organization. But I don't know if you can see to each computer what is going on on another computer. Q. You don't know about -- A. Is that your question? Q. You don't know about shared files? A. No. Q. You only know that the one computer can e-mail the other? A. Right. Q. But that can happen with any two computers in the world pretty much. You can send e-mails to each other, right. A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 57 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006721 EFTA00158306

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Page 58 Q. You have used the term organization, you can share within the organization. What do you -- just so I can understand what you're calling the organization, what do you mean by that word? A. People employed by Jeffrey Epstein. There are a few groups of people, his office in New York and I guess -- Q. Who are those people by name that you would consider within the Jeffrey Epstein organization? A. His accountant, his -- Who is that? Le. Bella Klen. What is it? Bella Klen. K-l-i-n. E-n, I'm sorry. Bella, B-e-1-1l-a? Yes. Is that somebody in New York? Yes. Is that a male or female? Female. And you understand that's his accountant? A Q A Q A Q. A Q A Q A Right. MR. GOLDBERGER: Just to get the spelling correct is it K-l-e-i-n? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 58 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006722 EFTA00158307

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Page 59 THE WITNESS: K-l-e-n. MR. MERMELSTEIN: K-1l-e-n. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And in addition to Bella Klen, who else would you have considered to be in Jeffrey Epstein's organization? A. Rich Kahn. Richard Kahn. Q. And how do you spell the last name? A. K-a-h-n. And where is he located? New York office. What does he do? I guess he was involved with the accounting. And who else? Leslie. I would think I would say secretary. Leslie Groff? Yes. And is she also in the New York office? Yes. What do you understand her role to be? Secretary I would say. A Q A Q A Q. A Q A Q Did she also schedule appointments for these young females to come to Jeffrey Epstein's house? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 59 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006723 EFTA00158308

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THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. We'll go back to that but I tell you why I ask. If you don't know then you don't know, but in the course of Mr. Epstein's -- you're aware that he did plead guilty to a couple felonies in state court, right? A. Right. Q. Well, in the course of the negotiation with the federal government and the U.S. Attorney's Office, they, the agreement between Mr. Epstein and the U.S. Attorney's office mentions people that are called co-conspirators of Epstein. And Leslie Groff is named as one of those co-conspirators. Do you know what involvement, if any, that she had with the crimes that were being investigated? A. No. Q. Okay. A. I am not aware of this. Q. Okay. The other people mentioned as co-conspirators are i i. HE. ex | | | So we'll get to them in a minute but first just so we stay on the track of who was in the organization, is || a. | | | and (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 60 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006724 EFTA00158309

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|| Fs all people that you would also consider within the organization? A. Yes. QO. Okay. So, we just added three more names to it. Who else would you consider, Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. And who else? A. Who was working there? Q. Bella, Richard Kahn, Leslie Groff, Ghislaine Maxwell, ia. ia. a. A. I think Harry was involved with the accounting. Q. Okay. A. I don't recall his last name. Q. Somebody else involved with the accounting? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Any of those people that you just named, were any of those people that you just named the person that you described as the gentleman that assisted | in removing the computers from the house prior to the search warrant being executed? A. No. You mean the one who show up to do those computers? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 61 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006725 EFTA00158310

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Page Right. The one who helped F move A. No, it wasn't. Q. Had you ever seen that individual on the property, on Mr. Epstein's property at 358 Albrillo Way prior to him assisting | in removing the computers from the home? A. No. Q. That was their first time seeing him? Yes. Had you ever seen him since that date? No. And to this date you don't know who that individual was? A. No. Q. Were you told that the -- let me rephrase that. I guess you told me that anything that happened in the home in terms of guests coming over or things of that nature, you would be forwarned about it, right? A. Right. Q. So, when was the first time that you learned that r and some gentleman that you had never met would be coming to the home to remove the computers? 62 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 62 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006726 EFTA00158311

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Page 63 A. I got the phone call from her that there would be -- I don't know what time it was in the house in certain time and they would pick up those computers. Q. Okay. And you got a phone call from a: A. Right. Q. Why were you called by | to tell you that , and would be coming over to, with some other gentleman to remove the computers. Do you know why you were told that? A. No. Q. Would , call every time she would over? A. Yes. Q. Okay. A. I mean, any, any time coming to the house, they always let me know who is coming when they are arriving or whatever. Q. Back in 2000, sorry. A. I said even if Jeffrey Epstein arriving at the house, I always know what time and which day he would be here or another person, so I would be aware of what was going on and I would be prepared. Q. Who besides you back in 2005 lived at the house full time; just you? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 63 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006727 EFTA00158312

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A. Just me. Q. All right. And then if | | was coming town or || or r or Jeffrey Epstein, you would be called and told who was coming so you could get the house ready for whoever it A. Right. Q. And if any other guests were visiting, would you also be given their names as people who would be at the house? A. Yes. Q. So, as house manager you were apprized of whatever the ongoings were going to be at the house and who was going to be there? A. Right. Q. Okay. In addition to the three computers that F and this other gentleman removed from the home, what else did you witness or observe being removed from the home? A. Nothing. The only thing that had been removed is when the police got with the search warrant. They removed a lot of stuff. But when | showed up with the gentleman, they took only the computers. Q. Okay. And if you began the work there February 2005 and the police report indicates the (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 64 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006728 EFTA00158313

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Page 65 search warrant was executed in October of 2005, October 20th, 2005, when in that period of time were the computers removed from the home by r and this gentleman? And by that I don't mean the exact date unless you know the exact date. A. No, I don't. Q. A week before the search warrant, two months before, a week, you know, whatever you're -- A. I would say maybe month or two months. I really don't recall exactly but a couple of months, maybe one month before search warrant. Q. All right. So, to the best of your recollection it could have been sometime early in October. It could have been September. It could have even been, as you're remembering it, as far back as August? A. Correct. Q. Okay. And after the computers were removed from the home, were any computers -- no computers were put in its place, right? A. No. Q. During -- when you first started working there, did you know that there were surveillance cameras inside the home? A. No, I was not aware. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1¢ 3507-011 Page 65 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006729 EFTA00158314

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Page 66 Q. When was the first time that you learned that the home was equipped with internal surveillance cameras? A. When, when I was questioned by FBI. One of the questions was if I was aware that there was camera in the house so I was surprised. I didn't know. Q. Okay. A. So, this is what I learned that there was something before that I have no idea. Q. Okay. So, subsequent to being asked that question, then did you go and determine where these cameras were inside the home? A. No. Q. You never did? . No. A Q. Okay? A . I never knew what was going, what install, in which place and how they operate, who use them. Q. Today do you know where the hidden cameras are inside the home? A. Yes, yes. No, I mean there is no surveillance cameras right now, I mean, to my knowledge. Q. Okay. A. But I learned that they were, that they were before. Yeah, I think I read in the paper. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 66 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006730 EFTA00158315

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Page 67 In the paper, you mean the police report? No, in the newspaper. The newspaper? Yes. Q. It indicated where the surveillance cameras were inside the house? A. Yes. Q. I didn't know that. I haven't seen the In New York, or Palm Beach Post. Q. Okay. So, that's a couple of references to the newspaper, you reading things. When was it that you started reading up on what was going on inside the house and the articles related to Jeffrey Epstein? When did you first start doing that? A. After, after the arrest. Q. Okay. So, for the first eight or nine months that you were working there leading up to the search warrant, did you ever go on the Internet or try to learn who your boss was, who you were working for about Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And that was just out of curiosity so you knew what he did? A. No. I mean there was curiosity because before (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 67 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006731 EFTA00158316

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Page 68 I took the job, I didn't know about nothing about Jeffrey Epstein. So I try too figure out, you know, who he is, who, what he is doing. So I check Internet and I find articles about him. I guess financial and he invest money for other people. Q. Okay. That's something that you read in the newspaper? A. Yes. Q. Did you ever learn through personal knowledge, observations, things of that nature who any of Jeffrey Epstein's clients were? A. No. Q. Did you ever hear the name Leslie Wexner? A. Yes. Q. Do you know Leslie Wexner? A. I know the name but I never met him, never talked to him just the name. Q. Since February of 2005 he has never been to the home to your knowledge? A. No. Q. All right. Do you know what Mr. Epstein's relationship was to Mr. Wexner from anything you ever heard around the house or observed? A. No. Q. All right. And you say today there is no (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 68 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006732 EFTA00158317

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Page 69 surveillance, to your knowledge in the home. But sometime during or just after the search warrant was executed and you started talking with somebody from the FBI, they informed you that there were surveillance cameras inside the home? A. I mean they didn't inform me. They ask me I am aware that they are. Q. Okay. Where did you ultimately learn that the surveillance cameras were inside the home? A. Like I mention, I read this article in the paper and they mentioned there was one in the garage. Q. Okay. A. And one in the living room and two in the Q. Okay. A. So those two. Q. In addition to those two, have you ever learned of additional surveillance cameras inside the home? A. No. Q. All right. Are you aware of a surveillance camera that was set up inside the office? A. No. Q. And have you in your entire time at the (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 69 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006733 EFTA00158318

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Page house seen sex toys or vibrators or things of that nature? A. No. Q. Have you ever spoken with | | about these young females that would visit the house? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I mean, we didn't spoke. We just exchange sometimes when I was away from the house doing shopping or doing stuff, she was the one who let them in. So, sometimes when I was, knew who was coming and what time, I let her know that this person is coming at a certain time so she knows what to do. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Given that you observed these young females and different females coming to the house, with great frequency, at some point in time at least in your mind you -- did you ever think, hey, this is unusual, this is unusual behavior? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Well, you know, I didn't question anything. It's not my job. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. It's not your job? 70 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 70 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006734 EFTA00158319

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Page 71 A. Not my job. I just do my job and at some point when who shows up is not to me to question. Q. Well, oftentimes this would be somebody arriving in a taxicab or something, right? A. Yeah, on a few occasion, right. Q. Did you ever call the taxicab for them? A. I think in once, one case I call taxicab to, I think to pick up somebody from the house and take this person to the place she was coming from. Q. Okay. You called a taxicab to tell the taxicab pick up this person from this address and take them to 358 Albrillo Way? A. No. To 358 Albrillo Way. I pick up, I call for, pick up from the house. I didn't call -- Q. Oh, okay. I gotcha. A. To bring somebody here. Q. To leave the house? A. To leave the house, right. Q. Did you ever have occasion to either pick one of these young females up from her home or drive her home from Albrillo way? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. That's not something you were ever asked (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 71 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006735 EFTA00158320

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Page 72 Q. And have you ever read or learned of -- strike that. Have you ever read the police incident report where it is the detective on the criminal case taking statements from several of these young females about what actually went on in the bedroom? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. After the search warrant was executed you did indicate that you were interested and read newspapers articles, right? A. Yes. Q. So, you're aware of the allegations that have been made as to what was going on inside the bedroom? A. Yes. Q. All right. And you're also aware that obviously at some point in time Jeffrey Epstein pled guilty to two felonies that led to him going to jail and he was on house arrest for a certain period of time? Yes. And do you remember ever meeting any of (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 72 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006736 EFTA00158321

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Page 73 the girls that were the victims in the cases where Mr. Epstein pled guilty to? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. Do you remember a -G.? No. girl Do you remember a girl named .: No. Do you remember a girl and I don't have her last name right now, I mean her first name right now. First initial i | I don't remember her first name but her last name ise A. No. Q. Did you ever clean up in the massage room after these alleged massages took place? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yeah. I mean, I not -- clean up on a few occasion. I pick up towels and I fold the massage table up and put back in the closet. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. During the investigation, the criminal investigation, how many times, (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) well, strike (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 73 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006737 EFTA00158322

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Page 74 that. When was the first time that you spoke with a police officer related to the case? A. First time when they show up in the house. Q. Did they interview you that day? A. They supposed to interview me but I guess they didn't have a time or didn't have a chance. But next day one of them show up at the house and ask me if he can ask me a few question. Q. And do you remember the name of that detective? A. , something like that. And you talked to him that day? No. You did not? No. What did you tell him? That I don't want to answer any question I without, without a lawyer. And why is that? I don't know. Okay. But I mean what we have talked about today it sounds like you didn't really know anything, right? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 74 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006738 EFTA00158323

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Page A. Yeah. But at that point, you know, I was a little bit, you know, afraid to what was going on. And I wouldn't answer any question without a lawyer. Besides they took my computer and some personal 75 belonging from, from my room. Q. Okay. In addition to your computer what other personal belongings did they take? A. They took some CD and some storage file from my computer. They, you know, ransacked my, my room completely, open all the boxes and turned the room upside down. So, I wasn't, you know, sure what to do. So I told him I don't want to talk to you without present of my lawyer. Q. And is that something that you were instructed to tell the police if they came back to talk to you, that you would like to have a lawyer present? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No, just my decision. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. And did you go and hire a lawyer? A. I mention -- I mean Mr. Epstein lawyer, they question me what happened during -- (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 75 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006739 EFTA00158324

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Page 76 MR. GOLDBERGER: Don't, don't, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't answer. MR. EDWARDS: I don't want to know anything that you said to your lawyer or your lawyer said to you, none of that. I only want to know any dialogue that you had with, right now we're talking about the first or second or third police officer that you talked to about the case. Do you understand that? I don't want you to tell me what you said to your lawyer. THE WITNESS: Right, right. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. That's a privilege communication I am not interested in. I may be interested in it but I am not entitled to it. So, you talked to a police officer and your lawyer may have been present when you did that. Who was your lawyer when you did that? A. Mike Salmick. Q. Mike Salmick? (Nods head.) Q. Okay. And is that somebody who was hired for you by Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 76 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006740 EFTA00158325

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Page Q. It was somebody that was paid by Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. When did the conversation come up between you and Jeffrey Epstein that he would retain a lawyer for you? A. His lawyer mention to me that since he cannot represent me, he can find somebody for me to represent me. And his lawyer back then was Guy Fronstin? A. Yes. Q. And the lawyer they found was Michael Salmick and at some point in time you, with your lawyer, speak to the police? A. Actually I got subpoena from FBI. Okay. And they question me. And where did they question you? There is FBI office on -- Sure. Right here. Sure. And was it just you and the FBI in an office? A. Yes. Q. And what did you tell the FBI relating -- 77 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 77 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006741 EFTA00158326

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Page 78 let me backup. I am assuming that they were asking you questions about the young females that were coming to the house? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. I mean that's the only subject matter that they were interested in related to possible illegal activities in the house, right? A. Right. Q. So, what did you tell them relative to your knowledge regarding these young females that were coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house when he was in town? A. Same thing like you are, similar question you were asking me. Q. You told them you saw them coming and you believed that they were there to give a massage? A. They were coming, they were leaving the house after finishing. Q. After they finished the massage? A. Right. Q. And did they ask you, you know, did you really believe that they were giving a massage to him or did you believe other things were going on? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 78 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006742 EFTA00158327

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I mean, were those kind of questions asked? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I mean, I don't even remember, you know, what was what, how they, you know, questioned me, but similar questions that you are asking me right now. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. And similar to what you are telling me today, you don't really know what was happening up in the bedroom, right? A. Yes. Q. And it's really your job to find out? A. Right. Q. You work for Mr. Epstein and that's your boss, and he pays you and that's all you know? A. Yes. Q. All right. After that conversation with the FBI, were you later subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury? A. No. Q. Did you ever talk to an assistant U.S. Attorney named a: A. No. Q. So, the only communication that you ever had with law enforcement was this meeting that you (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 79 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006743 EFTA00158328

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Page 80 had with the FBI? A. Right. It was like three of them or four of them. Q. And did -- A. I forget the name. Q. And they taped that statement, right, the conversation, didn't they? A. Tape? Q. Didn't they tape the statement? . You mean videotape? A Q. No. I think it was a recorder. A . Yeah. I think somebody was taking notes like right now. I don't remember -- Q. You think that? A. They were taping. Q. Okay. At some point in time I believe that I've read somewhere that there was taped interview or statement of you. I could be wrong. I have read too much of this case, but, to your -- A. I guess they have some kind of record, I assume but I don't remember. Q. Okay. A. It was either taping or it was, you know, like, write down. Q. All right. So, prior to the search (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1€ 3507-011 Page 80 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006744 EFTA00158329

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Page 81 warrant being executed, if I understand you correctly when Mr. Epstein was in town, there would be a set appointment for let's say || and maybe in the afternoon there might be one for | or there may only be one that day or on some occasions as you have said there may be no young females coming to the house that day, right? A. Right. Q. All right. After the search warrant was executed for the most part, well, after the search warrant was executed, Mr. Epstein spent his time somewhere else, most likely in New York? A. Right. Q. And then he came back down to Florida at some point in time. He went over to the courthouse and he pled guilty to certain felonies that were charged against him. And then he went to jail and you didn't see him at the house anymore? A. Yes. Q. And then for some period of time now, six or seven months or so, he has been on house arrest and so you see him in West Palm Beach? A. Yes. Q. Or sorry, Palm Beach. I don't know where I am. And has there been occasions where you know (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d16 3507-011 Page 81 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006745 EFTA00158330

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Page 82 of Mr. Epstein, since he's been on house arrest to not stay at the house in Palm Beach, to stay elsewhere? A. I think he took a couple trips to New York. Q. Okay. And that was to meet with lawyers on some other case you understand? A. Yes. Q. Do you know what that case is about? A. No. Q. Something had to do with money and against some other company, do you know that? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you ever heard of a corporation, DB Zwirn or something like that? A. No. Q. Doesn't ring a bell? A. No. Q. Okay. Other than the couple trips or trips to New York has he stayed at the house to best of your knowledge? A. Yes. Q. And were you ever familiar with where | | | would get the girls' name and/or would (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 82 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006746 EFTA00158331

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Page 83 keep the girls" names and numbers that were coming to the house to provide massages? A. No. Q. You never saw them on a computer or on an appointment book or anything like that? A. No. Q. Okay. Do you know how it was that || would get the girls to arrive at the house at any certain time? A. No. Q. And what was your understanding then of -- well, strike that. Ghislaine Maxwell was somebody that visited Mr. Epstein, I think if he was in town three times a month, she would be in town with him one time a month, paraphrasing your testimony, but that was something that continued from the time you first became employed through the search warrant being executed on the home, right? A. Right. Q. Is that somebody, that being Ghislaine Maxwell, somebody that you have seen at the house since Mr. Epstein has been back at 358 Albrillo Way on house arrest? A. Can you rephrase? Q. Sure. Since Mr. Epstein -- it was a bad (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d16 3507-011 Page 83 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006747 EFTA00158332

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Page 84 question. Since Mr. Epstein has been back at the house on house arrest, have you seen Ghislaine Maxwell at the house? A. No. Q. Do you know if Ghislaine Maxwell and Mr. Epstein still talk with one another? A. Yes. Q. And do they? A. Yes. Q. How frequently, if you know? A. I don't know. She calls maybe twice him if he is in the house. Q. Why? Do you know why she calls? A. No. Q. Do you still contact her if you have issues with the house or whatever, do you still contact Ghislaine Maxwell? A. No. Q. You understood her to be a business partner of some type back in 2005. What is your understanding of Ghislaine Maxwell's relationship with Mr. Epstein these days? A. I don't know what is going on between them. Q. Do you still think that they have a business relationship of some sort? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 84 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006748 EFTA00158333

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A. I don't know. Q. Okay. And you're here obviously with an attorney today, Jack Goldberger, who is also an attorney for Mr. Epstein. Safe to assume that Mr. Epstein retained Mr. Goldberger for you? A. Yes. Q. And whatever fee is being charged by Mr. Goldberger, that's something that's being paid by Mr. Epstein, not by you? A. Right. Q. Okay. And other than | FC serving I guess these days as somebody who you would consider Mr. Epstein's girlfriend, would you consider her to have some sort of business relationship with Mr. Epstein as well? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What do you consider i f role to be these days in Mr. Epstein's life? A. She's his assistant. She may hold a, schedule appointments. Q. Okay. Well, these days Mr. Epstein's on house arrest, right? A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 85 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006749 EFTA00158334

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Q. So, what kind of appointment is she scheduling for him if you know? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know. Some, for example, on his trips to New York she organize everything, you know, schedule whose flying to New York, pick him up from, bring him to the airport, pick him up from the airport, bring him to the house. I guess she organize all the logistic stuff involving his either trips or even staying in the house. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. But these are trips that he's taken I think you said two or three times since, in the last seven months or so right? A. Right. Q. But what does she do for him on the other days when he's not traveling to and from New York? A. I don't know. QO. Okay. A. To tell you the truth, I don't know. Q. One of the things that she did back in 2005 was she scheduled his massage appointments with these young females who would come to the house, right? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 86 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006750 EFTA00158335

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Q. for him A. Q. knowledg A. Q. a: A. Q. Epstein? A. Q. Page Yeah. That's obviously not something she anymore? Correct. Okay. I mean, to the best of your e that doesn't happen anymore? Yes. And do you know somebody named | | Yes. What does -- is he employed by Jeffrey I assume. What does he do for Jeffrey Epstein? Some kind of assistant to -- Okay. -- to help him to paperwork, whatever. Since he is -- I am sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. What did you say? A. I assume that he is one of those person involved with organizing his, I would say life. Q. Okay. And based on what observations do you reach that conclusion? (561) 832-7500 MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I notice he calls a lot of, 87 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 87 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006751 EFTA00158336

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Page 88 you know, contractors to do some work around the house, irrigation system, lighting, landscaping. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. And does he come to the house quite frequently? A. Yes. Q. All right. Does he on occasion give Mr. Epstein rides places? A. Yes. Q. All right. So, you have observed since Mr. Epstein has been on house arrest that's also somebody who visited Mr. Epstein in jail while he was in jail, right? A. Yes, right. Q. He visited him quite frequently in jail? Yes. Do you know how Mr. Epstein met | | And how did you know that? How did I know that? I notice that they spend (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 88 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006752 EFTA00158337

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Page 89 a lot of time together. Q. You observe them around the house and | | ee—Cs—CSCésY A. Q. All right. And does | | | stay the night at Mr. Epstein's house? A. No. You have never seen him stay the night A. No. Q. All right. And on any given week, how often will || | | show up to Jeffrey Epstein's house or report to Jeffrey Epstein's house for work? A. Currently? Q. Yeah. I mean, I am talking specifically about the time period since Mr. Epstein has been on house arrest? A. Very often. Q. Every day? A. Three or four times a week. Q. Okay. And when you became employed with Mr. Epstein, did you sign a confidentiality agreement? A. Yes. Q. And what did that confidentiality (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 89 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006753 EFTA00158338

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Page agreement say? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember to tell you the truth. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. THE WITNESS: I would say basic confidentiality agreement. I don't know exactly details but from my own knowledge I not supposed to release information what, what is going on in the, in Mr. Epstein organization. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And when we talk about Mr. Epstein's organization, we're talking about those people that you told us about earlier, right? A. Right. Q. Okay. So, if you know information about what those people are doing with one another as an organization or what is going on inside the house or things of that nature, based on this confidentiality agreement you're not supposed to say anything? A. Yes. Q. And it's your understanding that || | | has also signed a confidentiality agreement with Mr. Epstein? A. No. 90 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 90 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006754 EFTA00158339

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You don't know? I don't know. Do you know if | | signed one? Yes. How do you know that? She told me. She did. Okay. Isn't that a violation of the confidentiality agreement. Is it you're -- other than P| | and yourself, do you know of anybody else who signed a confidentiality agreement? A. No. Q. Do you have a copy of the confidentiality agreement? A. No. Q. That's something that you supposedly read point in time, signed it and then you gave to somebody? A. Yes. I knew it would happen before I got hired, so it's 2005. I know I read it. I sign it, but I don't know even know if I, if I have it in my possession, a copy of this agreement. Q. Okay. Do you know people that used to work at the house Michael and | sss A. No. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 91 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006755 EFTA00158340

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Never heard of them? A. No. Q. All right. During the year 2005, Page 92 what other visitors do you remember frequenting the house when Mr. Epstein was in town aside from i. i. Ghislaine Maxwell, a. yourself? else do you remember being there? A. I don't remember. Who Q. All right. Do you know the magician David Copperfield? A. Yes. Q. Did you see him at the house? A. No. Q. Never? A. No, never. Q. Okay. Have you seen him at the house? Not just in 2005 that we're focusing on the previous question, have you ever seen him at the time house? A. No. Q. No. Okay. Back in 2005, how about the attorney Alan Dershowitz, do you remember seeing him at the house? A. Yes. Q. And how many occasions do you believe you saw him at the house? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 92 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006756 EFTA00158341

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Maybe twice. Q. about he stayed for three days each time, And on the two occasions are we talking or you only saw him on two days if you remember? A. I don't remember exactly. Q. Okay. So, times and stayed two days each time; is you are saying? A. Correct. Q. Okay. at Jeffrey Epstein's house, what room? A. I don't remember which room. four additional bedrooms. Q. Okay. And what would, occasions when Mr. you know, I think it was either a couple or three days. he may have come in town two that what And where would he stay when he was It had like a on the Dershowitz was in the house and a young female would come over to give Mr. Epstein a massage, if you know, let's say the assuming is the same as you told us greet them at the door, coming, you greet them at the door, in, you let i know the person is there. before, process I am you you're told the person is you bring them And what then did you observe or where in the house would Mr. Dershowitz stay while Mr. Epstein was getting this massage? (561) 832-7500 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 93 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006757 EFTA00158342

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Page MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember having him and either young girls at the same time at the house. I don't recall. I don't remember. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Fair enough. I think I presupposed something that may not have been accurate. So, to your recollection the two to four days that you remember Mr. Dershowitz being at the house, you can't say with any degree of certainty that these young females were also at the house? A. Yeah. Right. Q. Okay. Do you remember there ever being an occasion where there was some other person, aside from the people that we all know regularly are at Mr. Epstein's house that we have named a few times, do you ever remember any other people being inside the house when these young females or a young female would be at the house to give Mr. Epstein a massage? A. No. Q. Okay. So, to the best of your recollection any time that these young females were at the house, it was a time when Mr. Epstein and other members of the organization, as you referred to it, were in the house only? 94 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 94 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006758 EFTA00158343

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Page 95 A. Right. Q. Okay. Do you know any of Mr. Epstein's neighbors? A. I know who lives next, I mean, across the street, but I never met, I never talk with them. The only thing, I talk with the guy who work for them. Q. Who is the guy who worked for him? . His name is Mike. A Q. And when you say -- A . Across the street. Sometimes, you know, exchange hello, how are you doing. That's it, but don't keep any, I would say relationship with him. Q. When you say the guy across the street, directly across street from Mr. Epstein? A. Directly across the street. Q. Do you know what that person's name is who owns that house? A. Cunningham, last name is Cunningham, I think. Okay. And have you ever met that person No. Do you know of any occasion when that person, Mr. Cunningham, has ever come over to Mr. Epstein's house? A. No. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 95 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006759 EFTA00158344

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Page 96 Any occasion when Mr. Epstein has gone Mr. Cunningham's house? A. No. Q. Is that a neighbor of Mr. Epstein's that you are aware that Mr. Epstein knows or talks to? A. No, I have no idea. Q. Does Mr. Epstein talk with any of his neighbors that you know of? A. I never saw. Q. Do you ever to talk to ; anymore? A. No. Q. When was the last time you saw her? A. I don't remember but probably before the search warrant. Q. Okay. The time when she took the computers out of the house or she came back after that? A. She came back after that. Q. Okay. So, the time when the search warrant was executed, that's the last time you remember her being at the house? A. Yes. MR. EDWARDS: Did you get that? talked over each other a little bit. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) I know we (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 96 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006760 EFTA00158345

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Page 97 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And the appointment book for Mr. Epstein's schedule on any given day, do you know where that was kept? A. No. Q. Did you ever see it? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. You don't even know if it existed? A. Right. QO. [HR BJ could have had all this information in her head for all you know? A. Could be. Q. How about the message pads that, I don't know if you're aware of this but there were certain messages that were accumulated by the police department in part because of the criminal investigation and they had been turned over as part of the State Attorney's file. I don't really need to get into the basics, but I just wanted to familiarize yourself with what I am talking about. Do you know what I am talking about, message pads? A. Yes. Q. And where was that message pad book kept (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 97 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006761 EFTA00158346

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Page 98 inside the house? A. There were a few of them, message books. One was in the kitchen when most of the time, you know, people pick up the phone and get the message for Jeffrey Epstein. I had one in my desk in my office. Q. Okay. So, there is one in the kitchen. You had one at your desk, office? A. Right. Q. Or your office desk. And where, where were there any additional ones? A. I think the one was in the office next to the kitchen. Q. Okay. And who within the house was able to take a message or allowed to take a message for Mr. Epstein, answer the phone and take a message and write it down? A. I was the one. | | was the one. And anybody who was close to the phone I guess. Q. Okay. There were no set rules as to -- A. No. Q. Okay. Well, I did learn of some information at some point in time that there was a, I don't want to say a rule book or a manuscript, but there was some level of organization to various roles in the house, yours or somebody else's and (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 98 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006762 EFTA00158347

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Page 99 what to do in certain situations. Are you familiar with the book I am talking about? A. Yes, it was like a manual. Q. Right. A. How to, I would say, conduct yourself and how to make things around the house, like rules or help with things to make sure that, you know, everything is the right way in the house. Q. What is your, and when you say everything is the right way, by whose standards? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Whose standards? Jeffrey Epstein. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Is he very particular with how things are in the house? A. I mean, he, he is not very strict but he would like, you know, to do certain things in his way I would say. Q. Okay. Would you say that he sticks to a pretty strict schedule? A. No. Q. Okay. Back in 2005 was his schedule more strict in terms of when he woke up, when he had breakfast, what he had for breakfast? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 99 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006763 EFTA00158348

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Page 100 A. Same thing I would say. He didn't change. Q. So, the only thing that you can tell me that has changed about his schedule from 2005, the time period before the execution of the search warrant to the time now where he is on house arrest, is that he no longer has these young females over to give him massages? MR. GOLDBERGER: BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. That's the only thing that's changed? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. This manual on how to conduct yourself, do you a have a copy of it? A. No. Okay. A. I used to have but they, it has been changed a little bit. So, at one point || asked me to give it to her. She would like to take a look and, you know, either update it or change something and she never gave me back, so -- Q. Okay. So when, when was that, when did that occur when ; | asked you for the manual so that she could update it or read it or whatever? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 100 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006764 EFTA00158349

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Page 101 A few months ago. I don't remember exactly Who else has a copy of this book? I don't know who has one. Well, you do or you did. How about a A. I think she read it. It was kept in my, in my file in my office so it was -- Q. So, is it your understanding that there is only one copy of this book? A. Could be another one in the office in New York. I don't know. Q. Okay. Who was the author of that book, do you know? A. I don't know. . I mean did Mr. Epstein write it himself? . I have no idea. Okay. Q A Q A Q . I don't know who made those things. . Is this a manual that's universal for the organization, and by that I mean, used in the New York house the New Mexico house, Florida house? A. Could be. I'm not sure. Q. Is it your understanding that prior to the execution of the search warrant that in addition to (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 101 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006765 EFTA00158350

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Page 102 the young females that would come to Mr. Epstein's West Palm house or Palm Beach house, if Mr. Epstein was in New York, similarly young females would come to that house to give him a massage, and similar to that, same thing would happen in New Mexico and elsewhere? A. I don't know. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. You just don't know. A. No. Q. Not something that you ever discussed with anybody? A. No. Q. All right. Going back to the message pads; there are three locations where these massage pads were situated within the house, right? A. Right. Q. The one in the kitchen was always by the phone? A. Yes, or close to the phone or on the counter somewhere, you know. Usually what I did, I grab any piece of paper, write down the name who calling and write down on this message -- Q. Okay. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 102 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006766 EFTA00158351

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-- book. Q. So, sometimes people would call and you would take messages on something other than the message pad that we're familiar with? A. Yeah. Q. All right. But you know what I am talking about when I am referring to this message pad, right? A. Yes, yes. Q. It has a carbon copy sheet? A. Right. Q. And for the most part that's where most of the messages were taken down? A. Yes. Q. So, there is one in the kitchen somewhere near the phone? A. (Witness nods head) Q. Right? THE COURT REPORTER: You have to say yes or -- THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Remember we have her here? A. Yes. Now, I remember. Q. I am understanding you. But there is one (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 103 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006767 EFTA00158352

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Page 104 in your office by your desk presumably also by a telephone? A. Yes. Q. And there is one in the office near the kitchen? A. Right. Q. Also near a telephone? A. Yes. Q. And you've taken those messages down of these young females would call, right? A. Anybody, yes. Q. Yeah. But you know, I realize a lot of people probably call Mr. Epstein. A. Right. Q. For the purposes of this case, I am not all that interested in all the messages he gets. I really want to go focus on the message he gets from someone like Hi-: a. or | or somebody that you recognize as being one of these young females reportedly coming over to give him a massage. Okay? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Okay. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So, are you familiar with certain messages where somebody will call and say this is H.. I (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 104 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006768 EFTA00158353

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Page 105 have a girl for Mr. Epstein? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. You don't remember any messages like that? A. No. Q. Do you remember ever there being a circumstance where somebody called and said I have girls for him or I have a friend that would like to come over and see him? A. No. Q. All right. If you had taken down any of those messages, that may have been alarming to you or told you that, hey, there is something going on here that may not necessarily be perfectly legal? A. I don't know how, you know, how to -- Q. That's just not something you ever saw, A. Never saw it. Q. Okay. When the police came into the house to execute the search warrant, where were the message pads? A. In the same places as I recall because they, they usually be around the phone. So, I assume they (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 105 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006769 EFTA00158354

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Page 106 were still on the places next to the phone in each room. Q. You don't remember the message pads being removed from the property prior to the police arriving to execute the search warrant? A. No. Q. So, it's your belief that the police obtained or confiscated the message pads at the time they executed the search warrant? A. Yes. Q. Do you know that to be a fact? A. No. Q. You're just going based on they were always there; we didn't know the police were coming; the police came, and they confiscated a bunch of stuff and if the message pads were there, they confiscated the message pads? A. Yes. Q. Just logical reasoning? A. Right. Q. Did the police ever question you about the messages that were taken down on this message pad from these young females that were at the house to give Mr. Epstein a massage? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. FBI showed me some (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 106 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006770 EFTA00158355

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Page 107 copies of my writing those messages, and they ask me if they, if it was me who took those message. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And some of the messages you took down? A. Yes. Q. So, some of the times these young females would call and you would be the one to answer the phone? A. Yes. Q. And what do you remember these young females saying to you as their purpose for calling? A. As I recall, a couple of them that they call that they cannot show up at a certain time and they have to do something else. So this was the messages I remember I wrote down on those messages. Q. I don't have great photos here, but I just want to show you this photo. Tell me if you recognize that person. A. No. Q. Okay. Show you this photo and tell me if you recognize that person. A. No. Q. Okay. This is an updated photograph of i. Do you recognize her now that I tell you that (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d16 3507-011 Page 107 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006771 EFTA00158356

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that is i. 7 No. I, I recognize -- I remember but I don't recognize the face. I will not name with the faces. Q. Okay. I mean, it's 2010 now. So a photograph that was taken of a person who would have seen five years ago? A. Right. But still, I don't, I don Q. Okay. Have you talked to Jeffrey personally about the criminal investigation Page 108 the name, connect, no, this is you 't recognize Epstein or any of the things that have been told to you happened inside the bedroom aside from the massage? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you ever intend to talk to him about A. No. Q. It really, as part of your employment, it's not really of any concern to you what he does up in his bedroom? A. Right. Q. I mean, that's basically your position, right? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 108 of 200 9,10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006772 EFTA00158357

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A. Yes. Q. I mean, if something is going on inside the house that is illegal, that's not something that's really your job duty to investigate, discover, or tell anybody about, right? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I mean that statement that I made is true? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: That if I would know that something is going on I would be -- BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Yeah. I mean if you knew that something was going on inside the house that was illegal -- A. Right. Q. -- that's not something that really should concern to you, right? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I would be concerned I would say. If something was going illegal, I would be concerned. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Well, I mean you're aware at this point in time that he has pled guilty to several felonies (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 109 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006773 EFTA00158358

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Page 110 related to what was going on inside the bedroom? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Right. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And that's not something that you're obviously holding against him in any way. working for him? A. Yes. You still Q. Is that something that's factored into your employment with Jeffrey Epstein or the way you think about him or anything else? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I mean, it's some concern but at the same time, you know, I think it's happened without, I would say, his intended to do on a purpose I would say. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What do you mean by that? understand? A. That he -- for example he having the affair the underage girls, right? Q. Okay. A. So, I assume he didn't know. Q. He didn't know? A. The age of those girls. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 110 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006774 EFTA00158359

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Page Q. Okay. You're, you're thinking that or hoping or whatever, believing that Mr. Epstein didn't know the age of the girls that were coming over? A. Yes. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. But you're -- so would your opinion change if -- you know, it really doesn't matter what your opinion is. Never mind. Not that I don't care about your opinion, it just doesn't matter a whole lot with respect to the case. In terms of the accumulation of these young females who were coming to the house, you were told that they were coming only for a massage, right? A. Right. Q. And at some point in time you learned that there was a lot more going on than a massage, but you don't think that Mr. Epstein knew that they were underage? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. I learn after. I didn't learn anything before; after. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832- Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 111 7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 111 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006775 EFTA00158360

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Page 112 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So, at the very least you know that when you were being told that it was only a massage, you were being misled to some extent, right? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I, I, I didn't know what to, what was going on. So either misled or not misled, you know, BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Fair enough. Were you aware of these photographs that were inside his closet of apparently, I will just say young females? It was a, I guess a collage of some sort of photographs? A. Yes. Q. All right. Did you see them? A. Yes. Q. Did you know any of the girls in the photographs? A. No. Q. Did you recognize any of the girls in the photographs as being girls that you saw coming over to his house to provide massages? A. No. Q. Do you ever remember seeing photographs of the girls who were coming over to provide massages (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 112 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006776 EFTA00158361

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Page 113 anywhere? A. No. Q. Did you ever see pornographic images on any of the computers? A. No. Q. Other than your own computer, you didn't look at the other computers, right? A. Right. Q. Okay. Were you ever made aware or told by the police or reading reports or anything else that these young females that would come to the house would oftentimes tell Mr. Epstein that they were 15 years old or 16 years old or in high school or things like that? A. No. Q. Okay. Since him pleading guilty and going to jail and things of that nature, have you thought back on what was happening back in 2005 and tried in your own mind to figure out where he met these girls, how he was getting them to his house, who they were working for, things of that nature, or is that something that you just haven't bothered thinking about? A. I don't quite understand your question. Q. Well, I mean, I guess, I guess my question (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1€ 3507-011 Page 113 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006777 EFTA00158362

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Page 114 is you know, at the time that it was happening, you thought that it was only massages going on, wasn't really alarming you no matter what? A. Right. so it Q. But at some point in time, then you were told and understood that there were other things going on in the bedroom that ultimately led to a guilty plea on Mr. Epstein's behalf, right? A. Right. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So, then after that did you go back and think, you know, think back to the times where you saw these young girls and realize, hey, now I understand why they were there and what they were doing? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And just to take that one step further, did you then try to figure out where did they come from, how did he know them, how was he getting them over to his house, things like that? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I, I would say don't concern me what, where they came from, what they were doing, just, you know, this is his personal, I (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 114 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006778 EFTA00158363

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would say, life so -- Page 115 MR. EDWARDS: Okay. I don't have any other questions for you right now. appreciate your time. I think that Mr. Mermelstein probably will have some questions for you. MR. MERMELSTEIN: I do have some questions. Why don't we take a five minute break. MR. GOLDBERGER: Yeah. Five minutes. (A brief recess was held.) CROSS (JANUSZ BANASIAK) BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Did Mr. Epstein provide you with a vehicle for your use? A. I mean, I used the vehicle he owns for my purpose sometimes. Q. How many vehicles does he own? A. Right now? Q. Let's go back to when you started in 2005. A. Let me see. Go back. There were two Mercedes S500, one Cadillac Escalade and one Chevrolet Suburban. Q. What was the first car? I'm sorry. A. Two Mercedes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 115 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006779 EFTA00158364

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Page 116 Q. Two Mercedes? A. Yeah, S500. Q. Was there a car that you typically used or you drove? A. Yes. Most of the time I used the Chevrolet suburban. Q. And would you run errands for the household in this suburban? A. Yes. Q. And what kind of errands would you perform? A. I was buying groceries, flowers for the house, and I would say anything to pick up whatever was necessary in the house. Q. Was there a person who instructed you as to what to do on these errands? A. Yes. Either ; | or Ghislaine Maxwell, they give me some point, what kinds of grocery, what kind of food Jeffrey Epstein preferred, what kind of flowers he likes. So, I was following instruction from them for a few weeks until I got it by myself. Q. Would you say | | was a supervisor of you as well as Ms. Maxwell? A. Yes, yes. Q. Was there an occasion when you rented a (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 116 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006780 EFTA00158365

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Page 117 car on behalf of Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Tell me how that came about. A. I rent the car for one of the girl. I don't remember name right now. I think for a couple of months or more. Q. And who asked you to rent the car? a. Ei. Q. And what did she tell you? A. She told me to rent a car for, for this person. Q. who did she tell you this person was? did she explain why you were renting a No. Q. Did you ask her why am I renting this car? A. No. Q. And do you remember the rental car agency you went to, to rent the car? A. Dollar. I'm not sure. Q. You think it was Dollar? A. Just one of the rental in the airport, Palm Beach airport. Q. All right. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-75 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 06 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 117 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006781 EFTA00158366

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Page 118 A. Either Dollar or Rent-a-Car, or I don't remember the company. Q. So, would you take a cab to the airport did someone drive you there to pick up the car? A. I don't remember how this was think , dropped me at the airport. arranged. Q. And you rented the car in your own name A. Yes. Q. -- correct? And you say it was -- were you instructed to rent it in your own name? A. Yes. Q. And did QM tell you to do that? A. Yes. Q. Did you have a problem with putting -- A. No. Q. -- the car on -- it was on your own credit, correct? A. Yes. Q. There was no company card or organization card, credit card that you had, correct? Mr. Epstein didn't give you a credit card? A. Yes. He gave me a credit card. Q. Oh he did. What kind of credit card was I think Master Card or Visa. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) I don't (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 118 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006782 EFTA00158367

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Page 119 remember. Q. And was the Master Card or Visa in his A. My name. Q. But he paid the bills? A. Yes. Q. And was it understood that this credit was to be used for household expenses? A. Right. Q. And is that how you paid for the car? A. Yes. Q. You don't remember if it was a Master Card Visa? A. I think Visa. Q. So, you went and you believe that | brought you to the Palm Beach airport. You rented the car and then drove it back to the house? A. Yes. Q. The house in Palm Beach, correct? A. Correct. Q. And did: )- come and pick up the car? A. Yes. Q. And how did she get to the house on that occasion? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 119 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006783 EFTA00158368

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Page A. I don't remember how she got to the house. 120 Probably somebody drove her, either a friend or somebody she knew. Q. And then did you hand her the keys to the Yes. Did you tell her how long she had the car A. Yes. Because there was a rental agreement I think for 30 days or something else. Q. Did PF come to the house to give Epstein a massage? A. Yes. Q. Okay. How many occasions do you recall her coming to the house to give Epstein a massage? A. I don't remember. Q. Many occasions? A. I don't know. I cannot tell right now. it's -- I didn't count exactly how many times she house. Q. She was someone who would come more than once, correct? A. Correct. You saw her -- well, strike that. There were girls who came for massages, I (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832- Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 120 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006784 EFTA00158369

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Page 121 take it, who would be there once and you wouldn't see them again; is that fair to say? A. Yes. Q. And there are girls who came for massages would see come repeatedly over a period of A. Right. Q. Okay. And Po was one of the girls that came repeatedly over a period of time? A. Yes. Q. Did you observe Mr. Epstein meeting or speaking with | si A. No. Q. When she came she would come into the kitchen like the other girls who would give massages? A. Yes. Q. And then || or someone would, is it your understanding take her upstairs? A. Yes. Q. On the occasions she came to pick up her car, did she to your understanding give Epstein a massage on that occasion? A. I don't remember this day if she was there, but I know that when she arrive I give her the keys. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 121 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006785 EFTA00158370

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(561) Page 122 But if she left right away or she went to give massage, I don't remember this day. Q. Okay. Do you know a : last A. No. Q. If I told you her name was a. would that ring a bell? A. No. || called the house? A. No. Q. Do you recall instances where P| Q. Do you recall other girls that | | came with on any occasions? A. I don't remember exactly, you know, what, what how many times she was there. Q. More than ten? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I cannot tell you the truth. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Let me show you a photograph and ask you if you recognize that girl. A. No. A. I am not sure. I know she a. but I don't recognize her face. 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 122 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006786 E FTA00158371

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Page 123 Q. Let me show you some other photos. Do you recognize this girl? MR. GOLDBERGER: You better start marking these? MR. MERMELSTEIN: What? MR. GOLDBERGER: We're going to have to start marking them. How are we going to know what you're talking about? (A discussion was held off the record.). MR. GOLDBERGER: All right. So, I'm marking the first one as your Exhibit No. 1, MR. MERMELSTEIN: We'll mark it as Exhibit MR. GOLDBERGER: The second one as Exhibit MR. EDWARDS: His answer is the same for both. MR. GOLDBERGER: You can do them as a composite one if you like. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Why don't we do that. MR. GOLDBERGER: You're going to need to make a photocopy of that so we have something. MR. MERMELSTEIN: These are photocopies. Can you indicate before I show him the (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 123 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006787 EFTA00158372

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Page 124 second one that that's Exhibit 2, and that this is Exhibit 1. Why don't we do that. Is that all right? That way we'll be able to tell, distinguish them. Can you hand this to the court reporter so she could mark them. (Plaintiffs' Exhibit No's 1 and 2 were marked for identification.) BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Let me show you another photo. Do you recognize this girl? A. No. Q. Do you recall a girl by the name of || MR. GOLDBERGER: Excuse me. Let's go off the record. (A discussion was held off the record.) (Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 3 was marked for identification.) BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Let me show you Exhibit 3, and ask you if you can identify this girl? A. No. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Let's mark that. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 124 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006788 EFTA00158373

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Page 125 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 4 was marked for identification.) BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. And I will show you Exhibit 4 and ask you if you recognize this girl. A. No. (Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 5 was marked for identification.) BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Do you remember a girl by the name of || a... would come to house to give Epstein massages? A. Yes, I remember name ae. Q. You remember Eee. What do you remember about a: MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Just the name. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Do you remember a girl named ; || who would come to the house and give Epstein massages? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. And she was a girl who would, who came (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 125 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006789 EFTA00158374

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Page 126 more than once like Po did? A. Yes. Q. Do you recall approximately how many times PY would come to give Epstein a massage? A. No. Q. You mentioned in response to Mr. Edwards' questioning the manual to the house. Was there policies in the manual regarding contacting police and in the event there was an indication to do so? A. Yeah. It was I think on the last page there was an emergency contact information, address of hospital and 911. Q. Were you ever given instruction that you should not call the police? A. No. Q. That was never anything that was told to you? A. No, no. Q. You have been employed by Mr. Epstein since February, 2005, correct? A. Correct. Q. And how do you receive your income, do you receive it by direct deposit into your account? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember receiving a paycheck by (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 126 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006790 EFTA00158375

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hand? A. By mail. Page 127 Q. By mail. Okay. By mail to where? Oh, I'm sorry. The mail, does it come from New York? A. Yes. Q. And what is the name of the account on the check? A. HBRK Associates. Q. HBRK Associates. And what is understanding of what that stands for? A. I don't know. Just, I guess, Q. Is it your understanding that Associates was your employer or is your A. Yes. initials. HBRK employer? Q. But you have been testifying today that your employer was Mr. Epstein. What is your understanding of the relationship between HBRK Associates and Mr. Epstein? A. I think that's his company. Q. It's his company? A. Right. Q. And to your understanding are the other people in the organization employed by HBRK Associates? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 127 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006791 EFTA00158376

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THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. And you have been employed by HBRK Associates since you started in October, since you started in February 2005? A. I don't know to tell you the truth if this was the organization that was, hire me. Q. That was the organization that hired you? A. No, I'm not sure. Q. Okay. You're not sure if that was the organization? A. Right. Q. Was there a different organization at the time you were hired? A. I don't remember. Maybe there was also, I remember there was a household account on the face of my paycheck. Q. Jeffrey Epstein household account? A. Right. Q. And you think at some point it may have switched to HBRK Associates? Right. But you don't remember when that was? No. Was it shortly after you started? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 128 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006792 EFTA00158377

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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Could be. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Any idea? A. After two years maybe, after three years. I don't remember. Q. After two years or so. So, it would have been 2007, 2008? A. Could be. Q. Do you ever have conversations with Mr. Epstein about things going on in your lives and -- No. Friendly conversation? No, we don't talk. No. Do you, do you have days off? Yes. Where do you go? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Where do I BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Where do you go? Do you have someplace else that you live? A. No, I live on the property. Q. So, even on your days off, you're still on (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 129 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006793 EFTA00158378

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Page 130 the property? A. Sometimes I go, sometime I take some vacation. I go away for a time of my vacation. Q. But there are days when you're staying on the property but you're not working? A. Yes. Q. Is that fair to say? A. Yes. Q. So, no one asks you to do anything during time? A. No. My day off, they don't bother me. They I am not working. Q. Okay. Now, you said that when you were hired, your salary was $58,000? Yes. . What is it today? Sixty-two. Sixty-two? . When is the last time you got a raise? I would say two years ago. A Q A Q A. Yes. Q A Q . And do you know why you haven't gotten a raise in two years? A. Economic condition. Everybody suffer. Q. Is that something you've discussed with (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 130 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006794 EFTA00158379

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Page 131 Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. You just assumed that it's economics? A. No. I think somebody from, from the, from the office told me that there would be no increase -- Q. Someone from -- A. -- or bonuses for last year because of the situation, stock market went down. Q. Someone from the office in New York? A. Yes. Q. You don't remember who? A. I think Rich, Rich Kahn. Q. And do you get bonuses too? A. Yes. Q. And when was the last time you got a bonus? A. Like two years ago. Q. And how much was that? A. I don't remember. The last one was $10,000. Q. Okay. So, your income for that year would have been 72,000 if I am understanding? A. Yes. Q. Which would have been $62,000 salary and $10,000 bonus, correct. A. Right. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 131 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006795 EFTA00158380

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Page 132 Q. Does , | stay at the house? A. Yes. Q. And does she sleep in the same bedroom as Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. When Mr. Epstein travels, who does he travel with? When he comes from New York or some other location, who does he come with? a a. Anyone else? Igor. Who is Igor? He is personal trainer. Does he have any other jobs? Pardon me? Does he have any other job s or functions? No. He is the personal trainer? Yes. For exercise? Yes. Anyone else travel with him? I don't know. Does he have a guest who travels with him? A Q A Q A Q A Q A. Q A Q A Q A Q A I really don't know. Sometimes he brings (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 132 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006796 EFTA00158381

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Page 133 guests, but I, I don't recall, no, which day on which occasion. Q. Were there occasions when he brought young girls as guests? A. No. I don't remember bringing from his airplane any girls to the house. Q. The only young girls you remember coming to the house were, came to the kitchen door for massages? A. Right. Q. Do you recall instances where two girls would come to the house? A. Yes. Q. And what would happen on occasions when two girls came? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yeah. I remember one was waiting in the kitchen for her one of her friends, and she told me she's waiting for her? Either she gave her a ride to the house or they have something to do together. I don't know. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Do you remember who that was? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: We're going to take a (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 133 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006797 EFTA00158382

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Page 134 lunch break at 1:00. We'll be going three hours now. MR. EDWARDS: I understand. Are we close? MR. MERMELSTEIN: Yes, we're close. MR. GOLDBERGER: If he's almost done and you have a little bit. MR. EDWARDS: I will. I will. So, let's just take a lunch break whenever you're ready. I don't care. I don't think there is any way to avoid a lunch break is what I am saying. I was hoping we could, but that's all right. MR. GOLDBERGER: Do you want to finish yours, is that what you want to do? MR. MERMELSTEIN: It doesn't matter. MR. GOLDBERGER: Okay. We'll just go now. Do you want to do 20 minutes? (A brief recess was held.) BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. So, you testified regarding this occasion where two girls arrived at the house and one of the girls gave a massage, correct? A. Yes. Q. And one of the girls waited for the girl who gave the massage, correct? A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 134 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006798 EFTA00158383

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Page 135 And the girl waited in the kitchen? Yes. Do you remember other occasions where that happened? A. No. Q. Is one occasion you remember that happening? A. Yes. Q. Did you know these girls received money in exchange for giving messages? A. Yes, yes. Q. Were you responsible for paying them? A. Yeah. I pay some of them. Q. Okay. And how did you pay them? A. I either -- I get a phone call from || or | and they mention name that such a girl show up at the house and I should give them money. Q. Okay. So, I think you testified before that you would get a, you would get a call or you would be advised that there is a girl coming to give a massage, correct? A. Right. Q. And that you should let her in when she comes, right? A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 135 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006799 EFTA00158384

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Page 136 Q. And in that same phone call were you told that you're supposed to pay the girl and how much you're supposed to pay her? A. No, another phone call. Q. A different phone call? A. Different phone call. Q. While the girl was there? A. I don't recall if I pay somebody when she comes to the massage. I recall when I got the phone call that I have to pay those girls who show up at the house and I should give them money. Q. I'm sorry. I didn't -- A. So, otherwise, what I try to say is that I did pay, you know, after the massage. I give to her money. Most of the time what I pay nobody was in the house. For example, Mr. Epstein was away and I got the phone call from either || or | and they would show up and I would give them money. Q. Okay. When Mr. Epstein was away? A. Yes. Q. Okay. So, you mean when he was not in the house? A. Right. Q. So, what were the occasions where girls would get paid when Mr. Epstein was not in the (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 136 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006800 EFTA00158385

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house? I am trying to understand. A. Just give them the money. Q. Oh, just give them money? A. Yes. Q. Was this money for massages? A. Yes. Page 137 Q. So, but this wasn't just after they completed the massage? A. Yes. Q. It was or it wasn't? I am not clear. A. After, yeah. Q. After they gave the massage. A. Right. Q. What I am unclear is that you said Mr. Epstein wasn't in the house. A. Yeah. On a few occasion, you know, Mr. Epstein was in the house and I got the phone call that this girl show up and I should pay her money. Q. Okay. A. So, I assume either she didn't get paid before or you know what I mean. Q. I see. This wasn't where the girl had the house, given the massage, and then left. she came separately -- Right. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 137 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006801 EFTA00158386

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Page 138 Q. -- to receive money for giving a massage that she had already given at some prior time? A. Yes, yes. Q. Okay. And that's the occasion where you paid her? A. Yes. Q. And you were told that this was payment for the girl who had given Epstein a massage? A. It wasn't mention massage. It wasn't mentioned just for a massage, but just give her money. Q. It was mentioned for a massage or it was? A. I don't, I don't remember. Q. But you don't -- A. I don't remember massage, but I was told to give her money. Q. Do you remember who it was that you gave money to? A. I don't recall the name. Q. Okay. Do you recall giving money to | | A. No. Could be but I don't remember. I don't remember. I cannot recall which girl I pay. Q. How often was it that a girl would come back to the house to get money? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 138 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006802 EFTA00158387

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Page 139 THE WITNESS: I would say like maybe six, eight times. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Were there different girls on each occasion or was it -- A. Different girls. Q. Different girls on each occasion. And these were all girls who at some prior time had given Epstein a massage? A. Yes. Q. And then they came back at a later time get money? A. Correct. Q. And for that purpose only? A. Correct. Q. And Mr. Epstein wasn't in the house at time? A. Right. Q. Was it your understanding that when Mr. Epstein was in the house and the girl had come to give him a massage that he paid her at that time? A. I don't know. I haven't seen, you know. Q. How much did you -- on each of these eight or so occasions that you gave a girl money who came to the house, how much did give her? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 139 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006803 EFTA00158388

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From two to 400, from 200 to 400. 200 to $400? Right. Page 140 Did you have any understanding as to what the reason was for the difference in the amounts? A. No. Q. Did you have any understanding of the -- strike that. Is it fair to say these girls who would come to the house to give Epstein massages were not professional masseuses? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Did it appear to you that they were professional? A. I cannot tell. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I didn't know their backgrounds, whether they were trained or not trained. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. I am sorry, they what? MR. GOLDBERGER: Trained or not trained? THE WITNESS: I didn't know if they were trained or not trained. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 140 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006804 EFTA00158389

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Page 141 MR. MERMELSTEIN: You didn't know if they were trained or not trained? THE WITNESS: Right. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Did you know if they worked for a particular company? A. No. Q. You didn't, you didn't have reason to believe that there was any particular company that was sending masseuses to Epstein's house? A. No. Q. So, as far as you know they were all independent? A. Yes. Q. And you have no idea why all these independent girls or how it was that they were coming to give Epstein massages? A. Yes. Q. Now, you mention that ; had removed those three computers from the house. And you also testified that you had your own computer in your office which was in the other, in the adjacent living quarters, correct? A. Yes, correct. Q. In the -- in the main house were there any (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 141 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006805 EFTA00158390

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Page 142 computers left after these three were taken? A. Yeah. I think one was left, the small one. Q. Was that the laptop? A. No, small computer. Q. Why do you call it a small computer? A. I would say a 15-inch screen monitor. One was Q. Where was that computer located? A. It was in his office next to the kitchen. Q. And do you know if that computer was linked to the others? A. I don't know. Q. And was that computer there when the police came to execute their search warrant? A. Yes. Q. And they took that computer? A. Yes. Q. That was the only computer that they took to your knowledge? A. Yes. Q. You mentioned Bella Klen and Richard Kahn, correct A. Correct. Q. They were both accountants in New York to your understanding? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 142 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006806 EFTA00158391

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Page 143 A. Yes. Q. And they are both employed by HBRK Associates; is that your understanding? A. Yes, yes. Q. And is one supervisor of the other? Is one higher up than the other? A. I think Rich Kahn is, I would say has the higher position. Q. Have you met Mr. Kahn? A. Yes. Q. Has he been to Palm Beach? A. Yes. Q. What was the occasion for him to come to Beach? A. That they met with Jeffrey Epstein's office. Q. Does Mr. Kahn handle business matters outside the household to your knowledge? A. I don't think so. Q. You think he just handles household matters? A. No. He handle, I would say, investment. Q. Which is, which is Mr. Epstein's, to your understanding, prime business, correct? A. Right. Q. And that's what Mr. Kahn handles? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d16 3507-011 Page 143 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006807 EFTA00158392

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Page 144 A. Correct. Q. Would you say that Mr. Kahn is a key employee like a right-hand man of Mr. Epstein? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Is he still employed with Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. You mentioned that when you were questioned by the FBI, that was the first time that you learned that there were surveillance cameras in the house, correct? A. Correct. Q. Anything else from the questioning by the FBI that you learned for the first time? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. That was it? That was the only thing, piece of information that they gave to you essentially during the course of that questioning? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Is there anything that you told them that (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 144 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006808 EFTA00158393

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they indicated to you that, Page gee, that's the first time we heard that? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't understand. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Is there any new information to your knowledge that you gave to them that they didn't previously have? A. No. MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. new, No. Anything you told them they already is that your understanding? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. occasions upstairs. A. Q. observe A. Q. (561) 832-7500 a PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, You testified that there were a few where you picked up the massage room You put the massage table away, correct? Correct. And on any of those occasions did you vibrator? No. Did you observe any massage tools? INC. (S61) 832- 145 7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 145 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006809 EFTA00158394

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Page 146 MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember, MR. MERMELSTEIN: You just -- THE WITNESS: I don't remember. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Okay. You don't remember? A. If I saw, I saw, I saw in -- I think one of the drawers that I recall massage lotion. They call it a personal massage. Q. And could you describe that? A. It was for massage, muscle massage with rubber head, vibrate when you press the button. You can buy them in Brookstone's. I saw them. Q. Anything -- so you opened the drawer to put something away and you saw that? A. Yes. Q. Anything else you see at that A. No. MR. MERMELSTEIN: All right. I am going defer to Mr. Edwards. REDIRECT (JANUSZ BANASIAK) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Just so that I understand what you were telling Mr. Mermelstein about paying the girls, you were saying that sometimes you would pay them and (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 146 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006810 EFTA00158395

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Page 147 Mr. Epstein was out of town, right? A. Right. Q. And this would either be -- well, it would be a situation where you were told that if somebody comes over, some certain female comes over, then just pay her, right? A. Right. Q. Would it be initiated by you in that, you know, the person would come to the door, you're not expecting them, you call , | and she says just pay them? A. No. Q. You were always forewarned, hey, this person is going to come over, pay them? A. Right, right. Q. Do you know whether it was they had a scheduled appointment but Mr. Epstein wasn't in town and he was saying just pay them anyway, or she had performed a massage at some point in time, not been paid and was back to receive her money, do you know which one? A. No. Q. Okay. So, it could have been either situation -- A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 147 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006811 EFTA00158396

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Page 148 Q. -- to the best of your knowledge? And when you would pay these girls or || would pay them or whoever would pay them, would it always be in cash? A. Yeah. I pay them all with cash. Q. You didn't write checks to them? A. No, just cash. Q. Ever wire any money to any of them? A. No. Q. Western Union or anything like that? A. No. Q. Did you ever withdraw money from the ATM, was that one of your responsibilities that would later be used to pay the girls? . No. . Do you know who withdrew the money? . No. A Q A Q . Do you know whose responsibility it was to go to the ATM for Mr. Epstein to have cash on hand? A. Yeah, part was my responsibility. I mean, not to withdraw from the ATM. I went to the bank so we have cash for spending, household cash. Q. All right. A. So, I always kept cash, you know, for myself, for household, for grocery. So, whatever I need the (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1€ 3507-011 Page 148 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000068 12 EFTA00158397

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Page money, I go to the bank to withdraw some money and I kept it with me. Q. Okay. And you just give the receipt to somebody so they know how much you took out? A. Right. Q. And typically what would you take out of the bank in terms of cash to keep on hand? A. About $2,000. Q. All right. So, you would go to the bank. Is $2,000 an amount that was told to you as an appropriate amount to take out? A. I mean, it was my decision how much money I need. But most of the time I withdraw $2,000 and whatever I spend, I go and draw another one. Q. I understand that at some point in time you realize that that was a decision that you could make. But let's say the first time you go to the bank, you don't just make the decision to take out $2,000, do you? I mean, somebody gives you some guidance? A. No. Q. Okay. They give you authority, they say go to the bank and get out some money and you decide on your own that $2,000 is an appropriate amount? A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832- Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 149 7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 149 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000068 13 EFTA00158398

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Page 150 Q. All right. What bank do you go to? A. Colonial Bank on Worth Avenue. Q. All right. And what account are you withdrawing the money from or are there multiple accounts? A. One account, Jeffrey Epstein household account. Q. And what is the name on the account? A. Jeffrey Epstein household account. Q. Okay. That's the name of the account? A. Yes. Q. Is that the only account that you ever withdrew money from? A. Yes. Q. All right. And then when you -- is that the cash that you would use or is that also cash that you would distribute to, let's say, | | | | or Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. This is only for my expenditure. Q. That's not then the money that was used to pay these young females? Yes. It is? Yes. So, would you always be the one paying (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1€ 3507-011 Page 150 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000068 14 EFTA00158399

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Page 151 A. On a few occasions, yes, but not, not, not always. Q. Okay. Oftentimes || was paying them or somebody else in the house? A. I assume. Q. And the money that || was using to pay them with, do you know where she got it or what account she withdraw it from? A. No. Q. All right. If Jeffrey Epstein was paying them personally, you don't know what account he withdrew it from? A. I don't know. Q. I thought I overheard you, I may be wrong but I thought when we were walking out to lunch I overheard you say you don't need to get your card stamped because you have a card or something? A. Yes. Q. What is that? A. This is parking access to garage downstairs. Q. Okay. Have you been to this building Yes, very often. Very often. And it's -- where do you (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 151 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006815 EFTA00158400

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Page 152 park? I mean I know where I parked, but I don't know, where do you park when you get -- do you have an assigned space or something? A. No, just whatever I find a space, I park. Q. What floor do you park on? A. Right now on first level. Q. On the first level. All right. And what the card give you access to? A. This is a card that we get for the office. Q. Just to get in and out of the garage? A. Right. Q. Or does it also give you access to Jeffrey Epstein's office, that being the Florida Science Foundation? A. For the garage. Q. For the garage. A. There are keys for office. Q. Okay. And when you come over from the garage to the building, is that on the second floor or first floor or how do you get in? A. First floor. Q. And that's always the routine that you Yes. All right. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 152 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000068 16 EFTA00158401

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Page 153 A. Sometimes I park in front of the building, but if there is no space I go to the garage. Q. But there is no set parking spaces assigned to Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. Q. Or to you or to anybody else? A. No, no. Q. All right. In the police report, you know, there are several females that talk about being in the bedroom with Mr. Epstein and ; | also at times being in the bedroom, and Mr. Epstein requesting that ; | use strap-on penises or vibrators or dildos or something on these young girls while Epstein stands by and masturbates and it goes into detail. But my question is, have you ever seen any of these strap-on or vibrator devices in the house? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Were you aware that there were times where these young females we've been discussing as people that you were led to believe that were providing massages were up in the bedroom with Mr. Epstein and |g (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 153 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006817 EFTA00158402

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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Page 154 Q. And have you known, just based on your observations, | to have girlfriends? And by girlfriends I mean girlfriends that she would be intimate with in addition to being the girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. Q. Do you know somebody by the name of Jean Luc Brunel? A. Yes. Q. How do you know him? A. He was in the house like, I guess, a few times. . When? . When? Q A Q A Q . A week ago. Today is, what, February 16th, When was the last time you saw him there? and this is a Tuesday. So, when we are saying a week ago, are you saying it was last Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, do you remember? Thursday, A. I don't remember the date but he stay maybe three days, I think, in the house. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 154 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006818 EFTA00158403

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Page 155 Q. So, if he arrived on Tuesday, he stayed through Thursday or Friday and -- A. Yes. Q. Do you know what the occasion was for him to come in town? A. No. Q. Where did he stay in the house last week? A. One of the bedrooms upstairs. Q. And was Mr. Epstein also staying in the house? A. Yes. Q. All right. Did Mr. Brunel bring any company with him? A. No. Q. It was him alone? A. Yes. Q. How did he get to the house? A. I think he has been picked up by Igor at this point. Q. And where did he -- I assume he flew in from somewhere? A. Yes. Q. Picked up from the airport, safe assumption? He didn't just drive to the airport. (A discussion was held off the record.) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 155 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006819 EFTA00158404

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BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So, do you know where it was that Mr. Brunel flew in from? A. No. Q. Do you know where Mr. Brunel generally lives? I mean is it New York, is it -- A. I know that he spends some time in Florida, in Miami, but exactly where he is, I don't know. Q. But obviously he wouldn't fly here to Palm Beach from Miami, right, so he had to be coming from somewhere else you would assume? A. Yes, I assume. Q. Were you told -- similar to the way that you have been describing throughout the deposition, you're told who is coming in town. Were you told he was going to be at the house? A. Yeah. Usually he requires to be picked up, so I know that he is coming. Q. Okay. We'll go through some other instances where you had occasion to pick him up or break plans, but talking specifically about last week: When were you first told that Mr. Brunel was going to be coming into town? A. I think Igor told me that he has to go and pick him up. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 156 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006820 EFTA00158405

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Page 157 Q. How did he -- A. It was my day off, I guess, because usually I am the one who pick up people. So, I guess it was my days off and Igor was working, so he went to pick him up. Q. Okay. It wouldn't be | | | picking him up? A. No. Q. So, to the best of your recollection Igor picked up Jean Luc Brunel sometime last week from the airport and took him to the house? A. Right. Q. Do you know what car he took to pick him I think Cadillac Escalade. The black Escalade? Yes. And what did Mr. Brunel and Mr. Epstein do for the three day stay when Mr. Brunel was staying at Mr. Epstein's house last week? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you interact, communicate with Mr. Brunel? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 157 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006821 EFTA00158406

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Page 158 Yes. And what did he say as to why he was here? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: Good morning. How are you? Exchange handshake. And I saw him in the kitchen and he was cooking something and that's it. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. When you say he was cooking something, he was personally cooking? A. Yes. Q. All right. So, this is a house that he is familiar enough with and he is a regular enough guest that he makes himself at home? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And last week do you remember anything in the three-day period that Mr. Brunel was staying at the house that Mr. Brunel did from the time he woke up to the time that he went to sleep? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I mean did go to the movies? Did he go to the beach? Did they just hang out around the house and walk? A. Yeah. I think he walked outside to the beach. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 158 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006822 EFTA00158407

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Page 159 He was swimming in the pool, talking on the phone just what I remember. Q. Okay. During the three-day stay last week, how often were -- I mean, I assuming that he came in town to see Mr. Epstein; is that true? A. Yes. Q. And so the majority of his time during that three days was spent hanging around with Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. All right. Did you see them talking with one another? A. Yes. Q. Where were they talking with one another? A. In the cabana, outside sitting next to the pool. Q. All right. And when you said that Mr. Brunel walked to the beach, did Mr. Epstein walk to the beach with him? A. No. Q. Mr. Brunel walked alone? A. Yes. Q. Who else was in the house last week while Mr. Brunel was in the house? a. [E. H. ecco BL o£ chink. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 159 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006823 EFTA00158408

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Page 160 a Yes. Yes. Q. Okay. Who else, Igor? A. Igor. I guess that's it. Q. Did you overhear any of the substance of the conversations that Mr. Brunel was having with Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. All right. What is your understanding as to the relationship between Mr. Brunel and Mr. Epstein? A. I guess they are friends. Q. Okay. In addition to being friends -- well, let me ask this question first: Do you know when they became friends? A. No. Q. You don't know how long they have known each other? A. No. Q. You don't know who introduced them? A. No. Q. They could have met since they were five years old or they could have met five years ago for (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 160 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006824 EFTA00158409

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all you know? A. Yes. Q. In addition to being friends, do you know them to be -- have a business relationship with one another? A. I don't know. Q. Do you know what Mr. Brunel does for a living? A. I think he has some modeling agency, owner of some modeling agency. I don't know exactly where, which one. Q. Why do you think that? Why do you think he is involved with a modeling agency? A. I think somebody told me. Q. Okay. That's fair enough. Who? A. I don't remember who. Q. Would it be JJ or mr. Epstein? A. It could be. Q. And whether it was ia or -- whoever told you about this was one of the people that you have previously described as being within the Jeffrey Epstein organization? A. Yes. Q. And as you sit here today, you can't say definitely it was one person within the organization (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 161 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006825 EFTA00158410

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but it was one of those people you named? A. Correct. Q. Most likely Qe A. Yes. Q. Okay. And do you remember in what context she told you Mr. Brunel is in -- is involved in the modeling industry or modeling agency? A. No. Q. Would you know the name of his modeling agency? A. No. Q. Have you heard the name, MC Squared or A. Yes. Q. And where have you heard that? A. In one of the magazines it mentions, I read article about modeling. It mentioned a couple of them Casablanca, MC2 and. Q. Casablanca? A. Yeah. They are some other agencies. Q. Casablanca, where have you heard that name before? A. I heard that in one of the magazines, I thin Q. Is there a person with that last name that is also friends with Brunel that you're aware of? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832- Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) an k. 7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 162 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006826 EFTA00158411

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Page 163 Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, John Casablanca. He is friends with Jean Luc Brunel? A. I don't know. That was the fourth modeling agency I think. Q. And have you ever seen John Casablanca? A. No. Q. Okay. But you know him to be associated with a modeling agency? A. I mean I heard the name. I heard about his agency, modeling agency, but I don't know who he is. Q. Did you hear his name from Jean Luc Brunel or Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. Okay. So, other then seeing Jean Luc Brunel at the house last week and talking with Mr. Epstein by the pool or by the cabana or around the house, did you make any other observations as to what Mr. Brunel was doing in town? A. No. Q. Did you overhear anything else that Mr. Brunel was speaking to Mr. Epstein about or vice-versa? A. No. Q. In addition to when you would see Mr. Epstein and Mr. Brunel talking or communicating (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1€ 3507-011 Page 163 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006827 EFTA00158412

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Page 164 with one another, who else was usually around? A. I don't see anybody. Qo. I mean, was | with them or || or anybody else? A. Yeah. I guess, yes. He sometimes ask for coffee or tea, so either | | or | | bring him a tea or coffee. So, probably they -- it was a moment when they were together talking and either || or , | brought them something to drink, but I don't know. I don't see them. Q. During his three-day stay did you see any other females around the house aside from | | and Yeah. There was one. What's her name, i. ? Yeah. What's her last name? I don't know her last name. And was she with Mr. Brunel? A. No. She was also picked up by Igor from the airport. Q. Do you know where she came from? A. No. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 164 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006828 EFTA00158413

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Page 165 Q. Were you told that she was coming in town? A. Igor told me because he has to pick her up. It was my day off. Q. All right. I don't think that I am familiar with that person, i. Is that somebody who has been to the house before? A. No. Q. First time that you saw her was last week? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And did she seem to know Jean Luc A. I don't know. Q. You couldn't tell by the interactions or anything like that? A. No. Q. To you they could have been complete strangers, or they could have known each other forever? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Do you go out of your way not to observe? I mean, is that -- that's a bad way to ask the question. Is it your job when people are around the house to kind of stay away or stay in the background? MR. GOLDBERGER: (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 165 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006829 EFTA00158414

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Page 166 THE WITNESS: I mean, it's not, I try to not be around them. You know, it's not -- my job is to make sure that everything is what they ask for. I don't want to be around them and listen when they are talking and looking at whom they are talking. I try to stay away, yes, as long as possible. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And when I ask questions about your knowledge based on your observations, I mean obviously you've seen me talking with your attorney, Jack Goldberger, today and you can tell that we've talked at some point in time in the past, right; that today isn't the first time we've ever talked to one another. And that's kind of what I am asking you about this person i. Just based on your observations and common sense, could you tell that this person, i. knew Jean Luc Brunel before last week? A. I don't think so. Q. Okay. How old would you estimate or approximate this person || to be assuming you don't know her age? A. I think in her 30's or late 20's. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 166 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006830 EFTA00158415

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Page 167 And was she a model? Is she a model? I don't know. What did you see her do -- strike that. How long did she stay at the house? A. Four days, I think. Q. Do you know how Mr. Epstein knows i: A. No. Q. Is || , friend or | friend or Mr. Epstein's friend? Who was she there to see? A. I would say Mr. Epstein's friend. Q. All right. And where did she sleep while she was in town? A. One of the guest rooms. Q. Based on your observations could you tell if Mr. Epstein was romantically or intimately involved with Hi: A. No. Q. Based on your observations could you tell if Jean Luc Brunel was intimately involved with i: A. No. Q. No. You can't tell or, no, they were not? A. No, I cannot tell. Q. Okay. So, is there anything more that you can tell me about what her possible purpose for being in town or why she was there? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 167 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006831 EFTA00158416

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A. Q. between staying Page No. She was a guest, I assume. Any reason why there would be an overlap her staying at the house and Jean Luc at the house, or it was just coincidence as far as you could tell? A. Q. written A. Q. A. Q. airport A. Q. She got A. Q. I don't know. Okay. And is there anywhere where you've down or documented what || last name is? No. Did you take her back to the airport? Yes. And what day did you take her to the Yesterday. Yesterday. So, she was here four days. here last Thursday or Friday? I think Friday. And she was at the house for a period of when Jean Luc Brunel was at the house? A. Q. Yeah. I mean, last week, yes. Okay. So, she got there Friday. When did Luc Brunel finally leave Mr. Epstein's house? A. Q. A. (561) 832-7500 168 I think Monday, yeah, Monday. He left Monday. That's yesterday? Or Sunday. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832- Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bS5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 168 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006832 EFTA00158417

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Q. Today is Tuesday. Page 169 A. Today is Tuesday. Yes, I think Sunday. Q. Okay. So, on Sunday Jean Luc Brunel left and on Monday || left? A. Yes. Q. All right. Did you take Jean Luc Brunel to the airport? A. No. Q. All right. Did Igor? Q. || a. And do you know where he was flying to? A. No. Q. You don't know where he came from or where he was flying to? A. Right. Q. Right. And as of right now you have no knowledge as to where he primarily resides, whether that -- I know you said that he spends some time in Miami, but whether he primarily resides in Miami or New York or Antartica, you have no idea? A. No. Q. Okay. Other than last week, when was the last time that you saw this gentleman Jean Luc Brunel at Jeffrey Epstein's house? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 169 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006833 EFTA00158418

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Page 170 A. He was here -- I don't remember exactly, maybe like a month, two months ago. Q. So, it's February 16th, right now. Do you think that it was sometime in January of 2010? A. Could be. Q. All right. And would this be at the beginning of January, the middle or the end of January 2010, if you remember? A. No, I don't remember. Q. And did you pick him up from the airport on that occasion? A. Yes, I think so. Q. All right. And what airport was that? A. I think it was Palm Beach Airport. Q. Do you know where he flew into that time? A. No. Q. And did he fly a private jet ora commercial airline? A. Commercial. Q. Does he always fly commercial when he comes into town? A. Yes, most of the time. Q. Have you ever known him to fly on one of Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes? A. I think on one occasion he went with him to (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 170 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006834 EFTA00158419

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Page 171 New York. Q. Okay. And is it your understanding that the modeling agency that he is associated with is a modeling agency based out of New York? A. I don't know. New York or Miami. I'm not sure. Q. Okay. Well, MC Squared is a modeling agency that has an office in New York and Miami. A. Oh, oh. Q. Is that something that you know is consistent with your observation and your knowledge? A. No. Q. You don't know? A. No, I don't know. Q. You say New York or Miami because those are the only two cities that you associate Jean Luc Brunel with in terms of what you know? A. Yes. Q. How do you know that he spends a considerable amount of time in Miami? A. I have no idea. Q. Just from word around the house or something? I mean, you had to know that from something, right? A. No. On one occasion I know that he was going (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 171 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006835 EFTA00158420

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Page 172 to Miami. Q. Okay. A. But how long he stay in Miami, how long he stays outside of Miami, I have no idea. Q. And when was that occasion where you know that Jean Luc Brunel was in Miami or spending time in Miami? A. I think at one point I drove him to Miami. Q. And when was that? A. I think the time he was here in this month of January. I think I drove him back to Miami from, from the Palm Beach, Palm Beach house. Q. Okay. So, that time in January he flies into the Palm Beach airport from some undisclosed or unknown location, you take him to the Palm Beach house, right? A. Right. Q. How long does he stay on that occasion? A. Maybe three days. Q. And during that three-day period were any other -- did any females accompany him to the Palm Beach house? A. No. I don't remember. I don't recall. Q. Well, maybe this will jog your memory: When you drove him to Miami, did you drive him (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 172 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006836 EFTA00158421

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Page 173 Yes. -- or did you drive him with somebody A. Alone. Q. Okay. And where did you take him to in Miami? A. I don't know. He left -- he told me his car, one of his friends somewhere in Miami Beach, so I dropped him over there and he pick up his car over And who is his friend, do you know? I don't know. So, his car was in Miami? Yes. What kind of car was that? Mercedes. All right. And do you remember where it was in Miami that his car was parked? A. Some -- I don't remember the others, but somewhere in Miami Beach. Q. All right. At a condo, at an apartment, on the side of the road, a house? A. No. It was a private house. Q. A private house on Miami Beach. Do you (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 173 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006837 EFTA00158422

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Page 174 know the name of the person that lived at that house? A. No. Q. All right. In talking about this person Jean Luc Brunel, would -- you said he came here last week. He came here in January. Stayed three or four days each time, two consecutive months. Since Mr. Epstein has been out on house arrest is Jean Luc Brunel one of the people that visits on a monthly basis? A. No. Q. Okay. A. There was no regular visit. It's just occasionally I would say. Q. Okay. So, prior to the January visit, when is the previous time that Jean Luc Brunel was at Mr. Epstein's house? A. I don't remember. I don't remember. Q. Is he one of the people who frequently calls Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. And Mr. Epstein frequently calls him? A. I don't know. Q. Okay. Well, I guess you would only know the calls that come in and you take messages, right? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 174 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006838 EFTA00158423

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Page 175 A. Right. Q. How times would you estimate -- I know you told us two times in 2010. Let me ask it this way: In 2010 were there only those two occasions where Mr. Brunel was staying at Mr. Epstein's house in Palm Beach? A. Yes, as far as I remember. Q. Okay. How many occasions, in addition to those two, would you estimate that Mr. Brunel has stayed at the Palm Beach house since Mr. Epstein has been out on house arrest and also staying at that house? A. It's hard to tell. I would say maybe three times. Q. Three times in addition to the two times this year, five times total? A. No, three times total. Q. Okay. So, one time this month, one time last month, and then for the period of time from -- I don't remember when he was on house arrest, maybe July. So from July to December you think that there was only one other occasion when Mr. Brunel was at the house? A. You know, it's hard to remember but I think so. He was maybe totally three times for the last few (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1€ 3507-011 Page 175 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006839 EFTA00158424

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(561) 832-7500 Page 176 months. I don't really recall how many times. Q. Okay. Did Mr. Brunel ever stay at the Palm Beach house while Mr. Epstein was in jail? A. No. Q. Did anybody stay at the house while Mr. Epstein was in jail? A. No. Including ia or a: I mean, Q. A. when he was in jail, the house wasn't finished completely yet. So, there was no visitors. The house was finished before he got released. So I, I don't think, I don't recall that anybody was -- it was impossible to have somebody, you know, stay in the house. Q. Do you know when Mr. Brunel is going to come back to the Palm Beach house? A. No. Q. You haven't been told? A. No. Q. All right. We've gone over a lot of individuals that come to Mr. Epstein's house at various times, and I think you have given me a pretty good list. But from the time he was out on house arrest, who else that we have not talked about has stayed the night at Mr. Epstein's house? PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 176 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006840 EFTA00158425

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Meaning if Alan Dershowitz stayed there, know. If some girls flew in from New York, Page 177 I want to I want to know. And I am just giving you generic examples. A. As far as I recall it was -- one girl, her Q. That's another girl, right? That's a separate girl? A. Right. And I guess that's it. Q. Okay. How many times has | | been to Mr. Epstein's house since Mr. Epstein has been on house arrest? A. Two or three times. Q. Do you know where she comes from? A. No. Q. Do you pick her up from the airport? A. Yes. Q. So, she flies in from out of town? A. Right. Q. Your understanding is that it's New York or you really have no idea? A. No idea. ©. How about [IIe A. Same things. Q. Been two or three times, comes from out of town, you don't know where she's coming from? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 177 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006841 EFTA00158426

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Page Right. Q. How old are these people, | | and a: A. In their 20's. Q. And when they come, do they, do either sleep with Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. Both sleep in different rooms? A. Right. Q. Is it your understanding based on your observations that either of them are intimately involved with Mr. Epstein? A. No. Q. No idea? A. No idea. Q. Any reason to believe that either of them are intimately or romantically involved with | | Q. Okay. Do you know the purpose for them coming in town? A. No. Q. Do you know the last name of || or 178 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 178 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006842 EFTA00158427

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Page 179 Q. All right. And you told me that while he was in jail nobody came to the house. So, let's back up before that from the search warrant to him going to jail, he was not at the house, Jeffrey Epstein was not at the house, right? A. Right. Q. So, we can back this time table up to you beginning to work in February of 2005 through search warrant executed on October 20th, 2005, which gives us ten or so months there. In those ten months, how many times has Jean Luc Brunel come to visit? A. I don't know. Maybe twice, once. He wasn't very often visiting him. Q. You think he what? A. He wasn't very often visiting him. Q. Okay. And on those occasions was it similar in that he would stay three or four days or would he stay longer? A. No, three or four days no longer. Q. And even back then in 2005, did you know where he was coming from? A. No. Q. And on those occasions prior to the search warrant being executed, were females in the house (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 179 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006843 EFTA00158428

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Page 180 along with Jean Luc Brunel that you remember? A. Yeah. I think that was -- , | was there. think some other guests too, but I don't remember --— What about the -- A. -- who was there and how long they were staying. Q. How about the young females that were providing massages, did any of them ever provide a massage to Mr. Brunel that you remember? A. No, I don't remember. Q. Okay. Is that something that you're saying never happened or you just don't remember whether it happened or it didn't? A. I just don't recall, you know, having those massage girls coming and having him being in the house. Q. Okay. Well, we have gone, kind of gone through the frequency with which these girls came. And at least in terms of Mr. Epstein being at the house, if he was there for four days then they would come three days or relatively that's the ratio we've talked about. So, if Mr. Brunel was there for a period of four days straight, you know, just given Mr. Epstein's massage schedule, so to speak, does that help to remind you or refresh your recollection I (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 180 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006844 EFTA00158429

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Page 181 as to whether or not these girls were in the house at the same time that Mr. Brunel was in the house? A. Could be. Q. But if they came over, you don't remember whether Mr. Brunel was also given a massage? A. No, I don't, I don't remember. I don't even know. Q. Other than massages for Mr. Epstein by these young females, are you able to say that anybody else received a massage from any of these girls? MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Are you saying it could have happened, it might not have happened; you just don't remember? A. I haven't seen, no -- MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. THE WITNESS: -- or being told it. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. THE WITNESS: This other person has some kind of massage. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Did Mr. Brunel ever arrive with other females to stay on any of the occasions back (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 181 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006845 EFTA00158430

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in 2005? A. I don't remember. I haven't seen him. Q. Excuse me? A. I don't remember. I haven't seen him coming with the other, I would say guests or other company, or I have seen him coming alone. Every time I pick him up, he was alone. Q. Did you talk to him when you would give him rides to and from the airport or to and from Miami? A. Yeah. We talk on the way to Miami. Q. Would he tell you why he was here or what he was doing, business? A. No. Just, you know, pep talk I would say. Q. Pep talk? Who was giving who the pep A. He was the one who talk a lot. Q. It's my understanding that Mr. Epstein does not drink, right? A. Right. Q. And by that I mean I am talking about alcohol, obviously. A. Yes. Q. How about Mr. Brunel? A. I haven't seen him drinking either. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 182 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006846 EFTA00158431

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Page 183 Q. Okay. Also my understanding Mr. Epstein doesn't smoke, use drugs, any of those things? That's true, yes. Mr. Brunel, have you seen him? No. Have you seen him smoke? Yeah, he smokes. He does? Yes. Use drugs? (Witness shakes head.) Not that you've seen? A Q A Q A Q. A Q A Q A No. Q. Have you ever gone on any of the airplanes are owned by Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. I was once when I got this job first time because I came here first time without my belongings. So, I told them can I get a ride to New York, pick up my stuff and I went here. So, one time I flew from here to New York. Q. Was anybody else on the airplane that time? A. Yeah. It was i. him, a. That's it. Q. And is it your understanding that | | has ever been intimately involved with Mr. Epstein? (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 183 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006847 EFTA00158432

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Page 184 No. How about Ghislaine Maxwell? A. No. Q. To the best of your knowledge you never knew anything about that? A. I don't know what's going on. Q. All right. Have you ever heard the name a: A. Q. a. do you know who that is? A. No. Q. a. do you know her? A. Yes. Q. How do you know | i A. She works for Ghislaine Maxwell, her assistant. Q. In New York? A. In New York. Q. And have you ever known | to have been linked to Mr. Epstein in a physical relationship? A. No. Q. What do you think that she does for Ghislaine Maxwell? A. I guess she organize her schedule and do some, (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 184 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006848 EFTA00158433

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Page 185 some stuff for her. Q. Well, what does Ghislaine Maxwell do that needs organizing, do you know? I guess she has a lot of social events. Okay. Have you ever met? Put down -- I'm sorry. She has to put down everything. Have you ever met a: Yes. 11 Was that at the Palm Beach house? r 0 FF 0 FF OD Ff ODO -F 12 She was here a few times, and I met her up in 13 New York. 14 Q. When was the last time that you met Dana 15 Burns or saw a: 16 A. I would say two years ago. 17 . Just before Mr. Epstein was in jail? 18 Or after. 19 . Where did you see her? 20 A. I think, yeah, she was here for a few 23 Q. And is that during the time period when 24 Mr. Epstein was out on work release? 25 A. Yes. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 185 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006849 EFTA00158434

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9 Q. Nobody. So, when PF was working 1 she was doing? 2 A. She was in the office answering phone calls, 13 doing some e-mails, answering mail I guess. 17 Q. Okay. Did she stay at [J or at when she was in town? co | ef ie r, what is your understanding What is N Ww Cc Oy) ke ° Cc r the names of the employees that work f N w oO rt Cc SE URT REPORTI (561) 832-7500 P GENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b$d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 186 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006850 EFTA00158435

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Page 187 2 Q. Do you know what he does? 3 A. | | is involved too. 4 Q. Do you know what ia m7 does for the 5 Florida Science Foundation? 6 A. No. 7 Q. That's just somebody who you've seen 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. When you've had occasion to go there, and 11 I am assuming you have been there numerous times, 12 right? 13 A. Right. 14 Q. The people who have offices within || 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. And Mr. a: I am asking. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And Ms. QP 20 A. Yes 21 Q. And who else within that office has, has 22 their own office [x : 23 A. Nobody. There are three offices, one 24 conference room. 25 Q. Okay. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 187 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006851 EFTA00158436

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Page A. So, one is for | | a. another is for a. QO. So, to the best of your knowledge the regular employees, based on your observations, are Mr. Epstein, Mr. | and Ms. a: A. Yes. Q. Okay. And at least on a couple of occasions you have seen fF there? A. Right. MR. EDWARDS: All right. RECROSS (JANUSZ BANASIAK) BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. I have just one follow-up question. is the reason that you come to the office on a regular basis xy: A. I bring Mr. Epstein from jail. Q. You bring him from jail? A. Right, to the office and take him back to That was when he was on work release, A. Right. Q. Is there any other occasion that you -- for that purpose you were given a card for access to the garage? 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832- Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 188 7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182dte 3507-011 Page 188 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006852 EFTA00158437

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Page A. Yes, yes. Q. Before Mr. Epstein was in jail, were there occasions where you came to the office here? A. Before jail? Q. Before jail. A. Yeah. I was, I was the one who organize, you know, put everything together, bring furniture, bring some things over there. Q. You set up the office? A. Yes. Q. When was that? A. Oh, I don't remember exactly. When he was in jail. Q. Before he was in jail or during the time he was in jail? A. I think before. Q. How long before he went to jail did you set up the office? A. A few months, two, three. I don't remember. Q. After you set up the office, were there occasions where you would come to the Florida Science Foundation office? A. Yes, very often. Q. What would you come for? A. They call me to bring some food for them, (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d 16 3507-011 Page 189 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006853 EFTA00158438

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lunch, pick up some, bring some papers, That's it. Q. A. Yes. MR. MERMELSTEIN: MR. EDWARDS: All right. or waive? MR. GOLDBERGER: We THE COURT REPORTER: this? MR. EDWARDS: Yes, please. THE COURT REPORTER: Mr. Mermelstein? MR. MERMELSTEIN: Yes. THE COURT REPORTER: you want a copy? MR. GOLDBERGER: Yes. Bill him, seriously. (Witness excused.) (Deposition was concluded.) (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) will read. Mr. Goldberger, INC. Page 190 office supplies. You would run errands for the office? Nothing further. Are you going to All right. Did you want to order Did you want a copy, do Send it to Critton. (S61) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 190 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006854 EFTA00158439

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CERTIFICATE OF OATH THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, the undersigned authority, Page 191 certify that JANUSZ BANASIAK personally appeared before me and was duly sworn on the 16th day of February, 2010. Dated this 28th day of February, Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: February 25, 2011 My Commission No.: DD 643788 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2010. (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-bSd3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 191 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006855 EFTA00158440

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CERTIFICATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, Cynthia Hopkins, Registered Professional Reporter, Florida Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at large, do hereby certify that I was authorized to and did report said deposition in stenotype; and that the foregoing pages are a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said deposition. I further certify that said deposition was taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth and that the taking of said deposition was commenced and completed as hereinabove set out. I further certify that I am not attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and/or direction of the certifying reporter. Dated this 28th day of February, 2010. . xs AS Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 192 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006856 EFTA00158441

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February 28th, 2010 JANUSZ BANASIAK c/o Jack Alan Goldberger, Esquire ATTERBURY, GOLDBERGER & WEISS, IN RE: i. vs. Epstein CASE NO.: 502008CA028051XXXXMB AB Please take notice that on Tuesday, Page 193 P.A. the 16th of February, 2010, you gave your deposition in the above-referred matter. At that time, you did not waive signature. It is now necessary that you sign your deposition. As previously agreed to, the transcript will be furnished to you through your counsel. the following instructions carefully: Please read At the end of the transcript you will find an errata sheet. As you read your deposition, any changes or corrections that you wish to make should be noted on the errata sheet, citing page and line number of said change. DO NOT write on the transcript itself. Once you have read the transcript and noted any changes, be sure to sign and date the errata sheet and return these pages to me. If you do not read and sign the deposition within a reasonable time, the original, which has already been forwarded to the ordering attorney, may be filed with the Clerk of the Court. If you wish to waive your signature, sign your name in the blank at the bottom of this letter and return it to us. Very truly yours, . x AS Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR I do hereby waive my signature. JANUSZ BANASIAK (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) (561) 832-7506 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 193 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006857 EFTA00158442

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Page 194 CERTIFICATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing deposition by me given, and that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, if one was executed. Dated this day of 2010. JANUSZ BANASIAK Job #1317 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 194 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006858 EFTA00158443

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Page 195 ERRATA SHEET IN RE: |. vs. Epstein CR: Cynthia Hopkins DEPOSITION OF: JANUSZ BANASIAK TAKEN: February 16, 2010 JOB NO.: 1317 DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE PAGE # LINE # CHANGE REASON Please forward the original signed errata sheet to this office so that copies may be distributed to all parties. Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I have read my deposition and that it is true and correct subject to any changes in form or substance entered here. DATE: SIGNATURE OF DEPONENT: (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) 2d75a91d-3eaa-42b3-ae22-b5d3c7182d1e 3507-011 Page 195 of 200 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006859 EFTA00158444

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