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2 On behalf of the Plaintiff: On behalf of the Defendant: 1 MARK LUTTIER ESQUIRE ( [ Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef$4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 2 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006125 EFTA00158018

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3 Dex ition taken before Sandra W. Townsend, Court 4 Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of 5 Florida at Large, in the cause. b - - - 7 This is the 6th day of 8 2009. The 9 This is the videotaped senting Visual Evidence 6 Will the attorr for the re 8 MR. LUTTIER: Mark Luttier, on behalf of 23 2 having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined follows: RT REPORTING Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 4 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006127 EFTA00158020

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Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 1 4nd who did she meet? OD N it was 2 Yeah. | | F and some of hi friends Do you know what year this was? Nc I couldn't tell you the year é A Yes, I do } e When did you first make his acquaintance? 8 A When we first moved to that place. ) And how did you make his acquaintance? A I ¢ S | told me she was dating him. 1 Well, you moved there. Obviously there was jay one when you moved there? A Ih, rig . Was she already dating im? 5 A ,n Ne No No she didn't W 6 anybody ; Kay £ A. No, she didn't know 9 met || and she met ne 2 she was palling out with | and some 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 40 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006163 EFTA00158056

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1 5 6 Gg 1 ) . Did t a time when going to 6 1 entirely? Gg 21 25 QO 10 you ean by t 2 A Oh, that i would distract the boys I 25 clearly remember that. Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 47 of 187 EFTA_00006170 EFTA00158063

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Page 48 Q. What did they -- did you ask them what they meant by that? A. Yeah. They said that she was -- I can't pronounce the word, but she was very well built for her age. Q. Was she older than the students that whose class she would be put? A. You know what? I don't believe so. they just said that she was too -- what's that know? -- like, too -- she was -- her body was mature. Q. Do you have any record where somebody at public school system said that your child couldn't be enrolled because her body was too mature? A. Yeah. And that's when I tried to enroll her -- that's when I just took her out. Q. What do you mean, you took her out? A. Yeah. They told us to go -- because she had to be. Maybe that's when she went co then, because I remember going to try to help her get her GED from another school on Military. I just don't recall the order of protection, you know, the order of -- Q. I want to go back. She was at a. So -- But -- -- did there come a time that she quit going fe PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend a Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 48 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006171 EFTA00158064

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Yes. And why was that? She got annoyed. What do you mean, "she got annoyed?" She got annoyed and she told me that she had found a job. Q. Well, I don't know -- I'm not understanding what you mean when you said, "she got annoyed." A. She got annoyed with the people that were there. And at that time that's when [J came into play. And then she told me -- she was working with me for a little while in a. And then she said she found a job in Palm Beach. Q. Well, at this point she's -- what? -- 14 years old? 15? A. Maybe 14, going on 15. Q. So your daughter says she's annoyed with school. What's your reaction to that? What was your reaction? A. I -- what was my reaction? I wasn't very happy. But for some reason, I know she initially didn't come out of school until she was 16, however it worked out. But I know she was still, I believe, involved in a. And in the beginning she went to work with me a FP PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 49 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006172 EFTA00158065

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1 a. How long was it after you moved to this trailer iii before you met this fellow? A. Before I met him personally? Yeah. 5 A. Probably -- because I worked -- I used tc 6 lean houses a lot in Po for the elders. I } don't know. Maybe two, three months. 8 Q. And you came to know him because your -- did 9 your daughter introduce you to him or -- 20 A. Yeah, he came over with some of his friends Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 75 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006198 EFTA00158091

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time I don't know. Q. And, so, you thought he was a fine guy? A. Yeah. He dressed very nice. His family lived diagonally across. Nice aunt. Nice -- he came from a nice house. Q. So you had no problem with your daughter hanging out with him? A. No, I didn't, you know. Q. Did there ever come a time that you learned anything else about Mr. QR? A. Yeah. When was that? Probably a little bit after that. Meaning, a little bit after the couple months Yeah. After I met him. Q. So give me an approximation. When you say, "a little bit after," are we talking about a month later? A. Maybe a month, two months. So this would be about three months -- Three months maybe. -- after you moved over iim Uh-huh. Okay. Well, what did you learn? Well, QJ was hanging out with these FP PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend —_ Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 76 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006199 EFTA00158092

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Page 78 a couple of times J didn't get home on time and I, you know, I questioned where she was, what she was doing. And then it wasn't long after that | told me that J and this other girl that they were hanging out with helped her get a job. And that was down in -- down in Palm Beach over a bridge. MR. LUTTIER: Okay. I'll take a break now. to the restroom. VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 10:33 (Brief recess.) VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record at 10:40 a.m. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. Okay. We were talking before the break about this fellow JR] NMJ. and you said there were a couple times when your daughter didn't come home on time and apparently was out with him? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did there ever come a time that you learned his age? A. No. I don't think I -- I didn't know it at that time. Q. Did you ever ask her if it was -- | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend aS Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436ct 3506-001 Page 78 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006201 EFTA00158094

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Page 88 A. She told me that the man she was -- the household, the man in the household that she was working for in Palm Beach, she was doing ironing and cleaning, is what I understood. But this man offered to send her to school. Q. And, so, is that all? You accepted that as a response to your question? A. Yeah. I can say I did at that point. Q. So getting gifts of lingerie fit into that description to you, that she was cleaning his house and he was going to send her to massage school and that's why she got gifts -- A. It wasn't -- how can I explain? It wasn't lingerie that came -- it came from, like, I understood it was a wife that, you know, she goes to New York to these -- she was a model or something and she went to these nice places. And it wasn't like a -- like a frilly negligee that I would consider something to be sexual. It was just, like, you know. But, I mean, then I thought it was nice that the wife thought of her like that. Q. Did your daughter tell you that she got these gifts from some person's wife? A. Yeah, she did. Q. And you saw these gifts, correct? | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. | Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 88 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006211 EFTA00158104

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Page 89 Absolutely. Did you open the packages when they came? No. How is it you saw them? It just so happened that one day I had been there. The package came. And then I saw the book and she said that this was -- came from the family she was working for in Palm Beach, because they were going to send her to school because she had discussed that she wanted to be a massage therapist, because supposedly that's what the wife did or something. And QJ said, Mom, there's good money in this and they're willing to help me with school. And, Lord knows, I couldn't afford it because I was supporting three kids on my own. And I said, QB, well, that's nice. And honestly I didn't think anything of it because I house clean and I've had my clients pull together to buy me a car, you know, for compensation of helping them out and things like that. So -- or they had allowed me to take a small loan from them and pay them back a little bit every week. So I just -- I didn't really think anything further into the picture because I knew that | had this job in Palm Beach. She was making money. She was | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef$4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 89 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006212 EFTA00158105

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Page 90 coming home. She was coming home. She was fine. Her attitude was fine. She was happy. And I didn't really think much of it. Q. Now, you began this area of discussion when I asked you when was the first time you became suspicious that your daughter had been sexually active. And this is the event that you have described to us. So what is it about this event that caused you to wonder whether or not your daughter was sexually active? A. The way she started carrying herself. Q. Was this before or after this event? You're talking about an event where you -- she got gifts? A. It was after this event. Q. What do you mean by "carrying herself?" A. I could kind of see her demeanor change where she was now wearing low-cut blouses and tight pants. And she was very -- very prevalent about she always had to have make up on when she went to work and, you know, that was, again, it just -- I don't know. Something didn't seem right. And then I questioned her. And she said, no, Mom. I'm just cleaning house, that where she cleans, I understood there was several people that worked there, that there was, like, | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. | Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 90 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006213 EFTA00158106

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Page 91 a crew, they had a cleaning crew, a cooking crew, and... Q. Okay. Well, did there ever come another point in time that you -- strike that. Is there anything else about this conversation that you had with her when she got these gifts that made you think that she was perhaps sexually active, other than the fact the way she carried herself? A. No. Q. Did there -- was there ever another time that you questioned whether or not she was sexually active? A. Yes. Q. When was that? A. I -- I guess the people, something happened with the transportation because they would come and get | or | would take her to her job because they were kind of dating at that point, so I didn't think anything of it. [RJ would take her to her job or the people would send a car for a. And, like I said, I didn't think anything of it because I've had clients come and pick me, you know, people that I worked for come and pick me up. And then one day -- I don't know -- something happened, but it was -- | had to get to her job and had to get to her job and I drove her there. Q. And when was this? cf PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend aS Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 91 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006214 EFTA00158107

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A. The exact date, I don't remember. don't remember the exact date. Q. Do you know what year it was? A. No. No. | -- it all evolves in the time between maybe 15. Maybe 15. Q. Do you have any record of when this event would have occurred -- A. Do I have any record? Q. -- when you drove her to this place? A. No. I can't say I wrote it down. Q. Well, did you create any record at any time about it to pinpoint when it happened? A. No. I remember it was a nice day. Time of year, I can't remember. Q. Did she ask you to take her there? A. Yeah. She said if I take her there, her employer would pay me for my travel, you know, to bring her there, because I was very frugal about the way I spent my money because I was supporting three children by myself. And I said, a. I don't have, you know, I have to get through the week. And I remember not having enough gas money to get there. And I said, a. I have gas, but what's in my tank has to stay there. | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-4717-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 92 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006215 EFTA00158108

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Page 93 So I dropped -- I went down there with WS». ts didn't pull in a driveway. I remember it being on the street. And then | went in a driveway. And then she said, Mom, I'll be right out. They're going to give you money for gas so you don't have to worry. And I said, okay. So -- and then she was taking, like, a minute, so I started to proceed to walk in the driveway. And then | walked out and introduced me to her employer. And I shook her employer's hand and that was Jeffrey. And I shook his hand. He seemed like a very nice person. He said that my daughter, you know, was doing a wonderful job. And, you know, he asked several -- you know, it was a huge house. I never was inside, but there was, like, quarters in the back of it. And I'm telling you there had be 20 beautiful cars that were parked. And I just said, well, a. this is a good deal, you know, you make good money in Palm Beach. I would have liked to have had a cleaning job in Palm Beach. And I had asked, you know, -- and I said, WN. you know, if they need help, let me know. fe PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend ad Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef$4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 93 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006216 EFTA00158109

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1 And she said, no. 2 And I left QJ there. And the man -- Jeffrey said, you know, Mr. Epstein said, don't worry, we'll get your daughter 5 I 1e You know, || -- I thi he ame wa | -- é she talks with a, I guess, a British accent -- came out } and assured me tha he would get my daughter me 8 ) said, okay Thank you. And I went about 9 my busines Did anybody give you money on that occasion? 1 A. Yeah. Yeah. Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 94 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006217 EFTA00158110

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Page Q. Did your -- did your daughter -- did you take your daughter to this location on any other occasion? A. Maybe two other times. And it was only she was running in to get her pay. Q. And how much was her pay? $300. And that was supposed to be for how long? Honestly, I don't know. I don't know. Did you know how much she was getting? No. Did you ask her? Yeah. And what did she tell you? A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Well, a couple of times she told me she was getting a hundred dollars. And then she told me on several -- well, I guess, at one point Mr. Epstein, I guess, some of his help was going somewhere and asked WSs «if she could bring anybody to work. And as a matter of fact, I was very big in church back then and I had asked one of the church sisters if she needed to make money to go, you know, that this Mr. Epstein was looking for other help. Because I was too busy, you know, so I gave it to somebody else. QO. So did the nun go? A. She wasn't a nun. 96 | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Fs Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 96 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006219 EFTA00158112

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Or a sister, you referred to it? I call her my sister. Yes, she did. And what was her name? what? Do you want the truth? I don't remember her last name. Q. So FB went over there -- MR. Ha: Yes, he wants the truth. THE WITNESS: I don't remember her BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. So | went over there and did some -- what was it? -- ironing? A. i went over there with her -- with her -- her niece. Q. And did they ever contact you after that and tell you what they did? A. Well, | said she left, but she left her niece there, because I think | drove her niece there was the whole thing. But I wasn't close with her niece to have, like, a -- I didn't have her phone number, she didn't have mine and everything was through i. You know, and I said to a. you can go ahead and go there. And QJ -- I got the directions because fF PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef $4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 97 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006220 EFTA00158113

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that British lady I know he was looking for help and ft couldn't go one day and that's why I think I called Sister P| in a hurry and said, do you want to make some money, that had people coming in and they needed extra help. And then JJ called me and told me that she left there but she left her niece there. Now, when you say, Sister J, that's not No. No. It's church term. that What church is it you -- Q. Okay. And did | ever contact you after that and tell you anything about the work that her niece did? Did she? No. her niece said you know, it her. And || said she left her there and, ou know, that was it, that it just wasn't for her. that's what I understood. So did you ever ask your why she was getting paid $300? I A. Did I ever ask her? No. How much were you making Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 JRT REPOR ING AGENCY, INC. 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 98 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006221 EFTA00158114

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Q. A. How much was I making back then? Yeah. Oh, I got 40 to $50 a condo. I could do three, four condos in a day, five condos. I'd make $300 in a day. Q. A. Q. It's work all day though? 250 -- yeah. And your daughter wasn't working all day at this place, was she? A. Q. I have no idea because I was busy working. Well, you took her and dropped her off and -- That's all I did. -- you don't know when she got home? No, I don't. Did you ask her anything more about it? No. Honestly, I didn't. Did you have any other contact with Mr. Epstein, other than the time that you were there and you claim he said she was ironing? A. Q. Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Only on the phone. And what contact did you have with him on the They would call and make an appointment. Who is the "they?" Some -- it begins with an M -- Maxine or PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Fs 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 99 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006222 EFTA00158115

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somebody. Q. Is this with Mr. Epstein? Yes, Max -- Maxine. Could that be her -- I know, but he had secretaries. A. Q. Well, Mr. Epstein is Jeffrey Epstein? A. Q. No. My question is: Did you ever have any other direct contact with Jeffrey Epstein? A. Oh, Jeffrey Epstein called my phone and said he -- Q. Did you talk to him? A. Yes, I did. Q. Okay. When was that? A. I don't know exactly when it was, but he just called to leave a message for ft and tell her that he would appreciate it if she could come in at like 3:00 at one day. And then another day that he was having company coming over and if she could make it, you know, at a different time. And it just like an appointment thing. Q. Was this a direct phone conversation you had with him where you exchanged words or is this just some message left on a machine? A. Oh, no. No. We exchanged words. QO. And you said, sure, no problem? A. Yeah. Because QR at that time didn't | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend ad Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 100 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006223 EFTA00158116

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have a cell phone or anything. Q. And when did these conversations occur? A. Exactly, I don't know when. It was just after I knew that she had the job with him and stuff. Q. Okay. So you were -- something about all this made you suspicious that she was sexually active, is where I think we started the question. A. It wasn't so much about that. But then I started question her because she would leave, you know, and occasionally I'd see her come home and I'd say, WM. you have, like, a such a low-cut blouse on. And you got such short, short shorts. Why -- I don't understand. Oh, Mom, I changed when I got in the house. Q. Anything else that made you suspicious? A. She did come home sometimes and I smelled alcohol on her breath. And I said, your employer lets you drink? I was concerned about that. Q. And what did she say? A. She said, yeah. She says, the people in the kitchen are real nice and she was allowed to go -- I guess there was a certain refrigerator or something that sometimes she'd go sit in the kitchen. And the cooks would cook for her, too. | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Fs Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend a Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 101 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006224 EFTA00158117

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Page 102 Q. So what did you do? Did you pick up the phone and call this person and say, I don't want my -- what you said was a 15 year old daughter over there drinking? A. I tried to get in touch with him. I remember that. But I couldn't get through. Well, did you keep trying? Did I keep trying? Yeah. Did you ever get in touch with him? No. It was like the man vanished. Did you get in the car and drive over there? Nobody answered the door. Did you get in your car and drive over there? Yes, I did and nobody answered the door. Q. What did you do? Tell me about this occasion you got in the car and drove over there. Who went you? A. Nobody. I went by myself. Q. And when was this? A. It had to be after JJ told me that her and her niece weren't interested in working for him. That's -- time of year, I don't really remember. But I know it was daylight out. I don't remember the time. Q. So what did you do? You went to the house? A. Yeah, I tried to knock on the door but there was so many doors I just didn't know where I was | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. | Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend a Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 102 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006225 EFTA00158118

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Page 103 knocking. Q. What, did you knock on more than one door? A. Yeah. Q. Which door did you knock on? A. There's a garage that had a big, long thing here. And then there's a front door. And there's another house because ; said something about this house in the back. So how many doors did you knock on? Three. Nobody answered. -- there was nobody there and nobody answered? Q. A. Q. And -- and you're telling me -- A. Q. A. No. MR. i: Object to the form. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. So did you come across anybody on the grounds? A. No. Q. So what did you do next? A. I got in my car and left. Q. And for what purpose had you gone there on that occasion? A. Just because I think I wanted to know why he allowed her to drink. Q. Well, in fact, you were suspicious about what fe PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 103 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006226 EFTA00158119

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Page 104 was going on by then, weren't you? A. Yeah, after | | told me she didn't want to work for her and JJ didn't have the heart to tell me, I guess maybe she knew more of the story than I did at that point. Q. Did you ask | | anything else, why isn't it for your niece? A. Yeah, I did ask J. And what did she say? A. And QJ just said her niece just said it wasn't for her. QO. Did you inquire further? A. No. Q. Did you -- by now if you're suspicious, did you ask your daughter more about what was going on? A. Yeah. Q. And you said your daughter was always truthful with you, right? A. Yeah. So she said -- MR. QB: 9 object to the form. THE WITNESS: Yeah. So she just said, no, Mom, we're working. And I said, well, why -- your hours are changing now. Like, I don't understand. You know, you don't do a full day or whatever. | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 104 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006227 EFTA00158120

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Page 105 And she said, no. She said, Mom, his company flies in all the time. And sometimes I know that he's in New York, so -- and she still -- she still goes over there, you know. Because a couple times I knew he was in New York because he called from New York. | | called from New York and said she still had to go to the house. BY MR. LUTTIER: Who called from New York? I'm sorry? Who called from New York? Yeah. Yeah. So you talked to | Og I talked to J. And when did this conversation happen? Q A Q A QO. And did she talk to you? A Q A Q A It was late in the afternoon. She said that Jeffrey was coming in with some -- with some friends, but | needed to be over there, I guess, like, two hours or three hours before Jeffrey came in with the people to make sure everything was, I quess, in place. Q. And where was Qe Do you know whether or not QAM was, in fact, in Palm Beach calling you saying PF PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436ct 3506-001 Page 105 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006228 EFTA00158121

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Page 106 that Mr. Epstein was coming in and wanted your daughter to come over? A. Honestly, I don't know. Q. Okay. And by the way, when you're having these conversations with either the time that Mr. Epstein called or when you say you talked to J, did you ever ask them about -- more about what was going A. hey informed me that she was cleaning she was doing a good job. They were happy to have Q. Well, you told me that Mr. Epstein said she ironing; is that right? A. She was ironing and she was in charge of, like, the ironing and the laundry. Q. Did you ever have any other conversation with pstein where you asked him what was go on? A. have a conversation with | when called and asked her what was A. No. Q. Did you ever directly confront your daughter about what was going on? A. No. JRT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef $4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 106 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006229 EFTA00158122

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1 te 2 And then -- I don't know. Then I found out -- I guess then I found out she went tc | | or something, somewhere weird. And we -- I never talked to her -- you too, cleaning. That's how | actually got the job, was through || || and a. So what -- the question was about being ) suspicious that she was using drugs. A. Because -- I'll tell you wh Because 1 noticed a couple times that || mae -- when I'd see nose. Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 109 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006232 EFTA00158125

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5 When did you first she was ing 6 Xanax? 7 A. I didn't know about Xanax. 8 When did you first st she was using 9 Xanax? -- I gue when her 1 fr her on and had her 2 doctor 3 wha at you by that? You said N think 5 A Oh, she came from Jeffrey Eps i's a few Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef $4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 112 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006235 EFTA00158128

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Page 113 looped and she told me she just got off of work, that's where I assumed she'd been. Q. Oh, you assumed, -- A. Yes. Q. -- but you didn't know? So you didn't go pick her up from Jeffrey Epstein's? A. No, sir. Q. Well, let's assume that -- that she told you that she'd just gotten off work and you saw her and she was looped. That would have then caused you even greater concern about what was going on at Mr. Epstein's, right? A. Yeah. Q. So did you pick up the phone or go over to Mr. Epstein's at that point to find out why your daughter was -- to use your words -- looped? A. Honestly, no, I didn't. Qo. Okay. Because you weren't that concerned about it? A. No, sir. That's not why. Q. Okay. Was she still hanging out with this fellow, i. at the time? A. Yes, she was, and || | and a. Q. And what did you do, if anything, about | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef$4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 113 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006236 EFTA00158129

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Page 117 We have to change tapes. VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 11:28 a.m. This marks the end of tape one. (Brief recess.) VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record at 11:30 a.m. This marks the beginning of tape two. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. Now, you say that there were several occasions, I think you described two, where you say you, personally, talked to Jeffrey Epstein on the phone. Do you recall that? A. Yes, I talked to him personally on the phone. Do you know how many times? Q. A. No. Q. And were these occasions when he was at his house in Palm Beach? A. You know, I know a couple of occasions he was in New York getting ready to come back. And just that I told JJ when he was coming back to -- that he needs her to work at the house. Q. When you say, he told a. I thought you were having this conversation with him? A. No. Sometimes | would be there and I'd give her the phone. Q. I want to know -- | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS$4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 117 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006240 EFTA00158133

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Page 118 A. But I know he called. Q. I want to know about now specifically the conversations that you, personally, had with Mr. Epstein on the other end of the phone. That's my question. How many times did it occur that you, personally, had phone conversations with Mr. Epstein? A. I would say, maybe three, four, because he called a couple times to tell me there was some kind of music tickets coming -- he was Fed-Exing her music tickets. Q. On those occasions that you had direct phone contact with Mr. Epstein, was he in his house in Palm Beach? I don't know, sir. A Q. Do you know where he was? A No, sir. Q. Now, you said, and there were other phone conversations where he called and all you did was give the phone to QP A. Yes. Q. You didn't participate in those phone conversations? A. No. If | was there, I handed her the phone directly. But on occasion that they would tell me just if I, you know, when I contacted her, let her know | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend aS Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 118 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006241 EFTA00158134

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Page 119 if she could work this day or time or whatever. Q. Do you -- did your daughter ever tell you what the basis of her compensation was? MR. a: Object to the form. Asked and answered. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. Did she get paid hourly or by the day? A. No. I never discussed that with her. Q. All right. And did she ever tell you what the total compensation she received was? MR. BM: object to the form. Asked and answered. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. And by "total," I mean, you know, collectively for a month or two months. A. No. Q. Now, this happened -- this was all occurring during a period of time that you claim you thought she was in school; is that right? A. Yes. Q. Didn't you know that she had already dropped out of school by then? A. No. Q. And you -- were you home on all occasions when fs PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef$4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 119 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006242 EFTA00158135

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your daughter went to Mr. Epstein's? A. Absolutely not. Q. So you didn't really know where she was? A. Absolutely not. Q. So in the day, all you knew is, you left and you had no idea if she was in school or at Mr. Epstein's or at the beach or anyplace else? A. Correct. Q. And when you came home, all you knew is she was either home or she wasn't home, right? A. That's correct. QO. Did you ever tell her that you didn't want her hanging out with this guy, [Ey Ee A. Yeah. Q. And what did you tell her specifically? A. I told her I just didn't want her to hang out with him, that his aunt didn't want them to hang out and... Whose aunt? Yeah. Q A. Q. A Q. And how did you know QM aunt didn't want them to hang out? A. Because we've had conversations. PF PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend — Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 120 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006243 EFTA00158136

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Page 123 very excited that [J Mf 2o¢ HB brought her to this estate and she was going to have a job. Q. So this is the story that your daughter told you? Absolutely. So you had -- you and | aunt wanted your daughter not to see each other? Right. But I didn't know. So you told her not to hang around with ge Right. Because he was much older than she Q. So you never physically were present to see | pick her up and take her anywhere? h A. I really can't say that because I know sometimes he borrowed my car to take her. Q. Let's see now. You just told me that you didn't want JJ and your daughter to hang out. You told your daughter not to hang out with him? A. Yeah. But that was prior -- that was prior to -- that was prior to us declaring that we didn't want them to hang out. Q. What was prior to you declaring that you didn't -- A. That | had taken F to Jeff Epstein's a couple of times in my car. PF PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend — Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 123 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006246 EFTA00158139

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Page 128 somewhere in the time that we were living at this trailer PY aman and a woman came to the house. And they told me I couldn't even listen to the conversation, it had nothing to do with pertained to my daughter. So who was present at this meeting? A woman, a man and my daughter. And they said they were from the FBI. Q. And did you participate in this conversation? A. No, I didn't, sir. They wouldn't let me. Q. Well, they said you couldn't participate, but were you -- A. No, I wasn't. I was in the house. Q. How old was your daughter at the time? A. Oh, this just -- it happened while we were at the trailer, so it was probably about -- maybe a year and a half ago. Q. She was over 18 by then? A. Yeah, uh-huh, I think so. Q. And that's the first time that you suspected that something different was going on than cleaning the house? A. That's the first time I found out something different was going on. Q. And how did you find it out, if you weren't FP PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend — Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 128 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006251 EFTA00158144

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Page 129 present in that meeting? A. Because when they were done with my daughter, I specifically asked these people. And they said they had to talk to her about Jeffrey Epstein. So that's the person she worked for, so I just assumed being the brilliant person I am that, you know, something more is going on. Q. Okay. But did these -- did these two people that you've identified as FBI agents tell you anything else was going on? A. No, I don't recall them. Q. Did your daughter ever tell you anything else was going on? A. That's when my daughter spilled the beans. And she told me she was going to Mr. Epstein's and she was bringing girls there from || school and she'd get paid a hundred dollars for every girl she brought there, plus she would get $300. And that's when she told me that what was going on, because she felt like it didn't matter now because she hadn't been over there for, you know, for a -- you know, a year or two years, whatever it was, a year. So, I mean, it was like water under the bridge. And that's when | told me. And she goes, Mom, the negligees, and he took pictures of me. | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Fs Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend a Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef$4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 129 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006252 EFTA00158145

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Page 130 And I said, well, what do you mean? And | | took pictures of her and this Maxine or Max -- Max -- I don't know, but all's I know it was Max something. Q. Maxine what? What was she saying about this Maxine person? A. That -- that this Maxine person would take pictures and J would -- she modeled for them. And she said, Mom, that's why, you know, that different lingerie -- it was just, like, you know, stuff like that. And I said, well, what's this massage book And that's when she told me. Told you what? A. That's when QJ actually admitted to me that JJ would put on these little outfits and Jeffrey Epstein would ejaculate in front of her. QO. Is that what she told you? Uh-huh. Q. Now, is this all in this immediately following the occasion that the -- A. FBI came. Q. -- two people from the FBI? So it happened right after that meeting on the same day? fe PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 130 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006253 EFTA00158146

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Page 131 A. That's -- well, when I questioned J. pretty much so, yeah. That's And I said, could you please tell me what's really going on? are you in? And she said, Mom, I said, well, And that's when fe told me. What kind of trouble I'm not in no trouble. what is this all about? She says, you know that place you took me to with Jeffrey Epstein and you met him and his nice car? Epstein and he took pictures of me. QO. than just that he, A. girl. I QO. describe anything more about the pictures, state of A. sometimes she wasn't. Well, that's Jeffrey Did she tell you anything more about other quote, took No. He would do sex guess it was his wife. Sex acts -- when she dress was, No. said pictures, pictures of me? acts with some other did she what her whether she was in lingerie? Just that she was in lingerie and And he would go into a bath -- I guess this room was a bathroom or something and Jeffrey would just come out with a towel wrapped around him. or -- I don't know -- sit on him or something. And then one time he asked her to sit on him And WSs -- = don't know whether she did or didn't because I was really getting disgusted and sick to my Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 131 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006254 EFTA00158147

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stomach. Q. Well, back to the pictures. You said sometimes she said she was in lingerie and sometimes she wasn't? A. Yeah. Q. Meaning, what was she in, if she wasn't in the lingerie? A. I guess she was nude. Q. Did she tell you she was nude or she just said she was in some other outfit? A. No. She just said that just sometimes she was in lingerie and she wasn't. Q. Did she tell you she was nude? A. Honestly, I don't recall. Q. How about these other pictures that you claim that either JJ or this Maxine -- did she claim that MMM ox Maxine took pictures of her? A. Yeah. QO. And what did she say her state of dress was for that? A. She was wearing a -- she said she was wearing, like, lingerie-type clothing. Q. Is that for both the pictures that | | took and the pictures that allegedly -- A. Honestly, I'm not sure. | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend — Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-4717-b728-ef$4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 132 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006255 EFTA00158148

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Page 133 -- Maxine took? Did she ever tell you that she was ever -- anybody took any picture of her when she was naked or is that just the assumption you made? A. I don't recall her telling me that. Q. And then -- so have you now told me everything she told you about anyone taking pictures of her? A. As -- yeah. Q. And then you said -- did she say that she gave massages to Mr. Epstein? A. Yeah. That's why he was sending her massage books because -- Q. Did she describe those massages at all to you? A. She told me she didn't want to discuss it with me because it would hurt me. Q. So she didn't tell you about it? A. No. She just said that she was -- that she would give Jeffrey massages. Q. Then you say she said that -- what did she tell you about what Mr. Epstein -- A. I asked her what she massaged. Q. Okay. And what did she say? A. She says, Mom, I don't want to get into it. You know enough. Q. Did you ever push at any time after that to | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. | Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend a Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 133 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006256 EFTA00158149

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find out more? A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. massages? A. there was was a one- worked, I specifics. Q. A. yeah. Q. No. Then you say Mr. Epstein would ejaculate? Yes. What did she specifically say about that? He would jerk himself off -- Okay. Did she tell you -- -- while JJ took pictures. Of who? Honestly, I'm not sure. Did she tell you anything else about the No. But she did tell me that occasionally other men that were present. And whether it on-one with that man and her or however it don't know, but my daughter didn't tell me Did she say she was involved with other men? Jeffrey Epstein brought people there, I guess, But was she telling you -- what was she telling you about the other men as it related to her? A. Oh, that the phone call, I guess, the phone calls that I was getting for | to meet at the house was because there was men, I guess, other men | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 134 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006257 EFTA00158150

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Page 135 flying in from somewhere and they wanted -- I guess Jeffrey Epstein set a date up for [J and the other man. Q. A. for surely. Q. and there was A. Q. A. another friends. Q. A. Jeffrey Q. You keep saying, you guess. Do you not know? Well, sir, it's only what I heard. I don't I wasn't there. It's not something you know. All right. Did your daughter tell you on any occasion she some male person there -- she Yes, did. What did she tell you about that? She just told me that there was another -- -- she had to meet one of Jeffrey Epstein's When she said, meet, what was she telling you? you mean, meet one of Jeffrey Epstein's friends? She just told me that she had to meet one of Epstein's friends at the house. What did she tell you happened when -- did she tell you that she actually met this person? A. Q. Yeah. What did she tell you happened when she met this person? A. totally Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Honestly, I don't remember because I was just disgusted by the whole situation. PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 135 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006258 EFTA00158151

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Page 136 Q. Did she claim that she had performed a massage on someone other than Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. In Mr. Epstein's presence, yes. Q. So she told you specifically that there was an occasion that she went to Mr. Epstein's house and performed a massage on some other man and Mr. Epstein was present? A. Yes. Q. Did she tell you anything about that massage? A. No. Q. Did she tell you whether or not that happened on any occasion more than this one occasion? A. Well, I know QJ also told me about something about two girls and Mr. Epstein observed it. Q. What did she tell you about two girls? A. Well, actually I think Mr. Epstein, I guess his wife -- I guess it was his wife is what she told me, that he -- Mr. Epstein wanted JJ and his wife to perform sexual acts on each other. Q. Did she say what acts? A. Honestly, I said, please don't go any further because it's turning my stomach. Q. Did she tell you whether she, in fact, engaged in any sexual act with this per -- A. No. | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 136 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006259 EFTA00158152

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Page 137 Q. She didn't tell you or she said she didn't? A. No, I didn't say she didn't. I don't know because my daughter knew I was not feeling easy with the situation. And she already knew that I was diagnosed being sick, and my daughter just didn't want to put any more on my head. Q. Okay. Did she tell you anything else about going over to Mr. Epstein's, other than what you've told me thus far? A. No. Q. Did she tell you how much she was getting paid for each of these visits? A. After -- when the FBI, I found out she was getting $300 per session. And every time she brought a friend there he would pay a hundred to $200 to her, just like a finder's fee. Q. And you say the FBI told you that? A. No. I said QJ aia. 0. MMB. okay. And she told you she was bringing people from the | | school? A. Yes. Did she ever tell you who she brought? Q A. No. Q . Did she ever tell you anything more about | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend ad Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 137 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006260 EFTA00158153

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Page 138 -- who was this person that you said that -- Q. Yeah, |e Did she tell you anything about this | | person? A. I met i || | quite -- a very, very nice girl, very attractive. And I don't -- I don't know what happened to | | ma because she was, like, there one day and gone the next. And then I guess | talked to somebody or WM talked to somebody and they told me that Jeffrey Epstein sent her somewhere to go to school to increase her knowledge in, I guess, physical therapist then. And then I heard she got married to somebody -- I don't remember where they told me she got married. And that's where she is, but... Q. Have you had any other contact with pstein, other than what you've described -- A. No, uh-uh. Q. -- in this deposition? No. Q. Now, your daughter told you these things, whatever day it was the FBI came by, and you think that was around a year ago? MR. |g No. Object to the form. MR. LUTTIER: Did I get that wrong? PF PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. PF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 138 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006261 EFTA00158154

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Page 139 BY MR. LUTTIER: Q. Refresh my memory. About how long ago do you think this meeting was with the FB -- A. Oh, I don't know. All's I could tell you is exactly it was the time we were living in this trailer. Q. The one you're in now or -- A. Uh-huh. Q. All right. Was the statement recorded, do you I couldn't tell you, sir. Were they in a separate room from where you Sir, they were sitting outside on my patio. I was in the house. Q. For the entire conference? A. Yes, sir. Q. And you say it was a man and a woman? A. Yes, sir. Q. Black? White? A. Sir, I don't remember. Q. To the best of your knowledge, were there any other meetings with the FBI? A. Sir, I don't know. Q. Has your daughter discussed it? Other than the discussion you had with her immediately following | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Fs Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend a Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 139 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006262 EFTA00158155

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Page 175 1 What you're describing as normal with your 2 kids is telling your kids, call me to let me know that you're not dead and in a dumpster yet; is that right? No. Actually, I've said that to my daughter 5 because she disappears. 6 Q. And that's been a consistent problem, correct? } Not until r f What d you mean | recently 9 I until after her escapades with Jeffrey Epstein. That's when she really became out of control. and went Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 175 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006298 EFTA00158191

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1 5 BY MR. LUTTIER: 6 Q. Wasn't around for any of that, was he, ma'am? i A. I don't know. Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef S4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 176 of 187 EFTA_00006299 EFTA00158192

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1 A I 2 Have you me in thi all personal itact, tha is, one-on-one t you've had with Mr. Epstein? 5 A Just 1e 6 Q. And I meant, which would either be when you, } onally, saw him or the 9 I I'm talking about when I physically wa 1 3 with hir 1 the phone Yeah. 5 Q. Has your daughter told you anything else about é Mr han what ou've t d me -- } A No 8 Q. -- during this deposition? 9 MR. LUTTIER: I don't have any other Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef $4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 179 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006302 EFTA00158195

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Page 183 CERTIFICATE OF OATH STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, the undersigned authority, certify that | | personally appeared before me and was duly sworn on the 6th day of November, 2009. Dated this 19th day of November, 2009. Sandra W. Townsend, Court Repo Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: 6/26/12 My Commission No.: DD 793913 PF PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436cf 3506-001 Page 183 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006306 EFTA00158199

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CERTIFICATE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, Sandra W. Townsend, Court Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large, do hereby certify that the aforementioned witness was by me first duly sworn to testify the whole truth; that I was authorized to and did report said deposition in stenotype; and that the foregoing pages numbered 1 to 182, inclusive, are a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said deposition. I further certify that said deposition was taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth and that the taking of said deposition was commenced and completed as hereinabove set out. I further certify that I am not attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and/or direction of the certifying reporter. Dated this 19th day of November, 2009. Sandra W. Townsend, Court Reporter | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. | Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 184 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006307 EFTA00158200

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THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing deposition by me given, and that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, if one was executed. Dated this PF PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend = Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-ef 54d28436cf 3506-001 Page 186 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006309 EFTA00158202

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ERRATA SHEET IN RE: 9 MP J vs. epstern cr: s. Townsenp DEPOSITION OF: [ EE TAKEN: 11/6/09 DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE PAGE # LINE # CHANGE REASON Please forward the original signed errata sheet to this office so that copies may be distributed to all parties. Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I have read my deposition and that it is true and correct subject to any changes in form or substance entered here. DATE: SIGNATURE OF DEPONENT: | PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. fF Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend ad Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 98e1e8e8-101b-47f7-b728-efS4d28436ct 3506-001 Page 187 of 187 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00006310 EFTA00158203