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Page 89 @. When you were working for Mr. Epstein, did you have any doubt that the girls who provided him massages were not of the proper age or not older than 18 years ola? MR. CRITTOM: Form. ‘THE WITNESS: Wo, BY MR. LANGINO: Q- Did you keep up with Mr. Epstein's -- keep informed of Mr. Epstein's criminal case while it was in the paper? ‘A. Only what was on ty. What St was on ty, that's how I found out. °. iow do you feel about Mr. Epstein today? A i feel bad, sincerely 1 feel bad, because he waa == with me, with my family, with my wife, he was a Very generces guy, extremely == I don't know what the word ia in English =~ but he would press for perfection. I mean, and that was a very stressful job. Sut, otherwise, I have no orcblens with him at all. And I feel bad about it, what's happened in his life. 2. ave you hed any contact with Mr. fpetein after you ended working there? A. After I work == after I end working with hin? Yes, I did. When this i , when this criminal case (362) 832-7500 PROSE COURT ARPORTING AGENCY, IWC. (963) 832-7506 teeny seed Oy Rams Towne 451 277 £78 TEN cent oat oy ame Tompne MELATTAT ON: Peceened Fat Cor Pte heehee te I aT Page 91 A. Bo. 0. At some points you were caught stealing from Mr. Kpsteing is that true? A. We settled with him as « borrowing money from him. Okay? HR, BERGER: Aw what? ‘THE WITHESS: Borrowing. ‘WR. LANGING: Borrowing. ‘BY MR. LANGINO: When you took the money from Mr. Epstein, == Yes, sir. did he give you permission to take that Ro. At any point did you take a firearm from Mr. Epstein? AL Mow @. At any point did you enter Mr. Epstein's Property when you were not allowed to be there? AL Yes. Q. Amd was that the incident where you took sone money from him? aA Yes. Q. Can you explain to me how you and Mr. Epstein came to an agreement that the cops would not be called? (341) 632-7560 PROSE COUNT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S62) @32-7506 el | Cereemmaty eres by fonts | 1 Fad. RGus Pht Bris cuctad Fage 90 started, I got home and I had a card, a business card from a police officer. T thik it was[J from the Palm Beach Police Deoartment. And -- and I got scared. And I was trying to find out what it*s all sbout. Becsuse it was on occasion with Mr. Epstein that we had a disagreement. Mie settled that. Everything was well and we went our friendly ways and never heard from him again. Ard T received this from the police department thet we need to talk to you. And, so, I got scored. And I called the office in Wew York, I says, I would like to speak to Mr. Epstein. Ard he come on, and T said, 1 told him, 1 says, Jeffrey, what's going on? Mhat's happening? 1 thought it was related to the problem that I had personally with him settled. Aed I saya == no, be says. And he says to me, no, John, it's nothing to do with that, has nothing to do with it. I've been =~ I don't know if he told me 1 been sued or I been it's # problem with me, they're investigating something and 1 camnot talk to you. That was the end. And that's it. Any other conversations with Mr. Epstein — fo. <= since that conversation? (361) 632-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (341) 832-7306 Fage $2 a He called me and he say, John, we need to talk. I says, okay. here? And -- and we met at a luncheonette in Booch and we have a friendly conversation. He asked about sy kids, about my family. Then -- is this related to Mr. Epstein's case? Q Tt is. A Because I prefer to keep this -- this -- I was not incriminated. I was not -- I went to the police Gepertment, I made my statement and there was no charges filed. I don't think = would Like to continue with MR. CRITTON: Let me just put om the record as I think it's completely irrelevant, immaterial, it's not calculated te lead to the =~ ‘THE WITNESS: And it was after ~~ MA. CRITTON: Let me Just finish putting ay objection on. As I understand it, it occurred long before he ever got the card from the police. I think you're baressing him. I think you're trying to intimidate him and I think it's inappropriate, BY MA. LANGINO: (361) 32-7800 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (361) 832-7506 SERED SS SSS SH LEU SL a neneves res m con 9 on vend netettesta Aa ten “a! busrcenn resronse Snes 3504-022 Page 3 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002617 EFTA00157570

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Page 101 housekeeping tanks on an everyday basis while you were employed there? AL Mo, Before my wife went in? @. Mo, After your wit A. Mo, Mo, Not « fell-time housekeeper. Q. But you said your wife was hired after the housekeeper left? AL Yea. Q. But == a0 the person who left before your wife came, was she doing housekeeping chores? A. Yes, she was doing the housekeeping chores. Q. Well, who did it then after your wife became employed there, because she wasn't doing the housekeeping? A. Twas. 1 was doing it and then we hire people for to help us. 0. So you were the main person doing the housecleaning? A. Yeah. 0. And during -- between that time that your wife started and when you left the employment, was there # separate housekeeper employed during that time? AL Mo. Pull time? Mo. Q. Full-time housekeeper? (S61) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) €32-7506 Sloemepabecerbebeeret i Eossisesn beseehbreesdiesstal tS i019 |” ta eee ‘osumranesnsocoen oT o When girls would come to give 4 massage, “here would they come im the house? Would they come to the front door? A. Mostly came to the back Kitchen door, Q. The back kitchen door? A Uh-huh. 0. Okny. And is there a bell there? Would they knock or how would they -- a ‘There's # door bell. ©. A door bell? They would ring the door bell? A, Uh-oh. 0. And who generally would anawer the door? A, Me oF my wife, @. So you would let them in? A Uh-buh. MR. CRITTON: Stuart, can I just jk you? You use the term, girls. I assume you just mean, that moans female woman. It can mean anything? It has no age bracket to it? MA. MERMELSTEIN: That's correct. I'm not referring specifically to ages right now. THE WITWESS: Wo. BY MR. MERMELSTETM: o So as I understand it, the girl would come to the kitchen entrance, which is the service entrance, (961) 932-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IMC. (361) 032-7506 epee weet ety ete as a ea PE Srey tt Saran in Cais (361) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IWC. (S61) 832-7506 Yammer ats 51 48 ah Reeateaty re by Ren 1961) 832-7500 PROSE COURT MEPONTING AGENCE, INC. 1561) #327506 see rd =<—=ssa amt con» niet Rename A. Mo, 0. What about « part-time housekeeper? A. Wo. Like I told you, daily basis we call this company. And then they will come in with four or five Girls and clean the whole house. 0. This is the crew you were talking about? A. The crew. But the crew didn't come when Mr. Epstein was Right. So on an everyday basis when Mr. Epstein was there, you were the only person who was cleaning? A. Me == yeah, or my wife will help. e At your instruction? AW That's right. @ But you don't ever remember her cleaning up otter massages? A, Mo, Wo, o. Is it possible that you instructed her to lean up? A. It's possible, but == Mh. CRITTON: Form, Asking him to speculate. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: e You can answer. A. It"s possible. PE CAF RATIAT AU Meare |e Care? in) ane ent te OO ce Page 104 Uh-huh, You have to say yes or no. Yes, sir. Tf you answer uh-buh, that's not clear, #0 you to answer yes or no. Okay. And you would typically open the door? Yes, sir. And what would happen then? Then I will keep her in the kitchen and go to Mr. Epstein and find owt where they want to have the massage, or if it was for him or for Ms. Maxwell. And I immediately, if they were reveat girls that are -- they will know exactly where to go. And I will go up with them, set the tabli | and they will wait for him or her to go in the room and they sit there until they come up. 0. So did you generally already know that they were coming at the time that they knocked on the door? A. Yes, uh-huh. 2. So you had an appointment schedule? A. Yeah. Because most of the times I was doing the calling, you know. I called J., came in at 3:00 this afternoon. And abe will told me, no, I canmot, get somebody else. And I knew it the time they were coming. 3504-022 Page 6 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002620 EFTA00157573

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Page 10s So T was expecting them most of the time. 2, So you would expect them, they would come in and then you would escort them upstairs? A, Uh-huh. a So == A, I'm sorry, sir, Q. Yes? A, Yen. Q. Mut first you would find Mx, Epstein and check to see if he's ready or find Ms, Maxwell fo check to see Lf she's ready? AL Yes. 0. And which steircase would you == would you take then up? A. Either way. Q. You would take tham either the main staircase or the servant staircase? A. Yes. 0. Mhy would you take the main staircase, since you're already in the kitchen? A. That's what I says, either way. We can go | through the main » roase or we go to the kitchen ataircase. So we use both. Q. Okay. Mell, I'm talking specifically to escort a girl upstairs. (561) 832-7500 FAOSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IMC. (361) #52-7506 fresecnortncnstat mestioceres eine tat bn) carta Teas Shea rer eet et Cor se! Simran sbamcece ei Page 107 ©. You would just leave? Would the massage table already be set up? A. ite knew already that the girls -- the girl Wont upstairs and if wax ep to him to come up. @. Did you have conversations with any of these girls? A. Sometinns. @. What kind of things would you talk about? A. Regular things. Wothing that I can remembe: @. Did any of them aver tell you their ages? AL Wo, ate. Q. Did any of them ever assure you that they were MR. CRITTOM: Form. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Or over? A. Wo, airy Q. No one ever mentioned anything about age? A, Wo, sire Q, How did the girls appear to you? Did they appear to be very young? Ma. CRITTON: Form. ThE WETNESS: Again, the same question you ask verybody ask me the same thing. They could (S61) 632-7800 PROSE COUNT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7806 << et ca cthe am ec e Coeemeey nares ry han a5 hea pom wea eons SESE oem Page 106 A. Ll escort the girls up there either way, beth ways. @. And, s0, when you walked to the upstairs bedroom, let*s take the exasple of when Mx. Epstein is getting a massage? AL Yes. @. Mr. Epstein wouldn't be up there yety is that ‘That's correct. He would be downstairs somewhere? Uh-huh. Would there be a place -- MR. CRITTOW: Form. BY WR, MERMELSTEIN: Q. == where he would normally be while, you know, he's waiting for the massage to be set up and ready? A, Yes. Q. Where is that? Where would he be? A. Either at his desk or the pool house. Q. And those were on the first floor? AL Yas. Q. And, 30, when you arrived at the top of the stairs with the girl for the massage, what would you do then? A. Go back to my duties, (361) 832-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IWC. es ty Rare Tomer at 27 478 388, beeen ey en hy Na Moma ETS JI essere iF Cire i tens SM MBA Re (361) 832-7306 Page 108 have been 16 or 20. Most of them were, I would says, over 20. And some woman, it was over 60, And one time she came to the door. The husband was waiting outside. And Ms. Maxwell saw this woman, ‘that somebody recommend her. And Maxwell says to re, John, you have to find an excui We don't want her. So I had to pay this woman and find an excuse that they going to have to go. And she -- they never hed s massage with her. But there was -- most of them were womans. They were not girls, BY MR, MEAMELSTEIN: 0. So the woman who was over 60 was sent sways she was rejected, correct? WR. CRITTON: Form, THE WITWESS: It was Iwas told to sead her away. BY MR. MEAMELSTEIN: ©. And it was your understanding when you were told to send her away, it was because of her age, correct? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITWESS: I don"t know, I don’t know, 1 was told to send her away. {362} 832-7900 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC, 1961) 492-7506 Sie er ee ar rhe Toerers Reeve Fu Care. Uae’ “al buarcete nesronse darn 3504-022 Page 7 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002621 EFTA00157574

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ge 109 BY MR. MESMELSTEIN: Q. What your understanding as to why they were sending her away? MR. CRITTON: Form. Asked and answered nine times now. MR. MERMELSTEIW: He hasn't -- he hasn*t answered my question yet. MR. CRITTOW: He has. MR. WERMELSTEIW: Go ahead. ‘THE MITWESS: Why? BY MA. MERNELSTEIN: Q. Please answer the question, A. Can you repeat the question? Q. What was your understanding as to why they sent ber away? MR, CRITTON: Form. ‘THE WITNESS: My understanding was either they were busy or they didn't want her. BY Mi. MERMELSTEIN: Q. what your understanding a9 to why they didn't want her? MR. CRITTON: Form. Harassing. THE WITWESS: I don"t know. I didn't -- I didn't make too mach of it, BY MA. MERMELSTRIN: (362) 932-7500 PROSE COURT BEFORTING AGENCY, INC, (961) 992-7506 Se SES — Pacem Ft. oP. Mel mene een aaa ‘cu aCe NEP OL So Ms. Maxwell looked at the woman? Right. Did she have @ conversation with he Mo. She just looked at her and then said to you to send her away, correct? A. Yeah. Pay her and send her away. Q. 00 you recall seeing women who came to give wassages who were in their SOs? Ter, There were women in the 50s? Tes. How often did that happen? Mot too often, but it was -- it was woman that they were in the 50s. I says, again, could have been 43, 45. I don't know. I don't know the ages, but it older woman. Q. How many middle-age women do you recall coming over to give ma ges? MR, CRITTON: Form. ‘THE WITWESS; T don't remember how many. bet T would says ; | gl... I would says, in the 4 came very, very often. Aed I understand she wi Ard she massage specialist and a yoga instructor, too, at Page 110 @. But every other woman or female who came over to give « massage was much, mech younger, correct? AL Yes. @. So this 60 year old women @ significant exception, correct? “&. CRITTON: Form. Argusentative, BY WR, MERMELSTETN: @. You cam answer. A. I don't know how to answer that question. You ask me to == @. Lat me ask you this. MM. CRITTON: Why don't you let him anawer the question before you interrupt hy BY WR, MERMELSTEIM: Q. ALI right, Go ahead, Please answer, It didn*t Look like you were -- A. TI don't know how to answer that qeestion, you asking me what is your opinion of that. Ard T told you, my opinion of that, #ith they saw the girl == I don't think Mr. Bpatein ever saw the women, Sut Ms, Maxwell saw the woman in the kitchen, And she told me, John, pay her and send her avay. Q. Okay. A, That was it, (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 ES SEn i aanaani, Lerman epee Meguevit 'Fe P.Cir ? x Vinee a tt aca Page 112 the same time. So that was one of -- and there was another woman that she was supposed to be a teacher at the school of massage therapy that I can't remenber her mane. But that's it. I mean... BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. So those two you remember whe were older? A. Two. And it was = couple guys that were older that -- some guys that were older, too, guys. 0. Did Mr, Epstein ever have massage done by zen? Yon O. And aid Mr, Rpatein ever have ma these older woren? A. Yes. e When you escorted the female in this case for the massage to the upstairs bedroom -- correct? -- you would then leave? Yes. You would then walk back downstairs? res. Correct? Ard would you then == would you =~ you had already told Mr. Epstein that she's there, correct? A. That's correct. (S61) 632-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 992-7906 (861) 832-7500 Pa0en COURT ReSCErENG AGENCY, THC. 1561) 032-7506 [een eet beers erent fens} men eed by Rane Townes M0 277-28 hat ate te eat e Gecromcamy sgres ty Sanam | “ ‘TOA Content Tostren Mecmmtet Ft RCo. Pet Mat SSNS SS ae re Com? Uannglet a te 4008 estan "GU ELOPOONE RESPONSE OO0INT 3504-022 Page 8 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002622 EFTA00157575

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(961) 932-7500 PROGE COURT REPORTING AGRNCY, INC. Page 113 0. Amd at some point later then Mr. Epstein would come upstairs, correct? ‘That's correct. Aad where would you go? To my duties, to the kitchen or to my office. And I think you testified earlier that the doors of the bedroom would be closed during this massage? A. Be would close the door. Q. So Mr. Epstein, when he would arrive upstairs, would close the door? A. Yes, siz. ©. And about how long would the massage last gonereiiy? A. Usually an hour, O. And whet would happen at the end? A. Thay would come down. Most of the repeat girls, they would bring the towels themselves and dusp it by the kitchen by the laundry room we hed there, in order to help us, Other girls, they Just left it up there and they would come down. Bither Mr, Epstein will pay or T will pay them, Q. Bid they -- A. OF Ms. Maxwell will pay them, (962) 832-7506 A. A hundred dollars amasiage. Q. A-hundred dollars a massage? Were there ever any exceptions? A. That's the — I never pay any more than a bundred dollars per massage. Q. Were there times when two girls came? A. Two girls came at the sane time? Q. Correct. A. Yeah. There were times when two girls come in at the same time and one will go to one room, the other will go to the other room. Or one -- I would set up two tables in his room or I will ask him, where you want to aet the massages? He will told me, set in the blue room and set them in my room, Or set them in Ghislaine's room and the red room, depends on who people were there. but there were tines where two of the girls at the same time, y Q. Mas there ever occasions where there was o Girl who waited downstairs while one == while the other Girl went upataizs? AL to. Q. That never happened? I cannot remember. Q. Mas there ever an occasion where you paid @ girl who waited and didn't actually give » massage? (561) #32-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Page 11¢ Q. Sid Mr. Epstein walk down with the girls or did he stay upataira? A. Sometimes, sometimes no. Sometimes be took « nap or he took @ shower. I don't know what they did in the com, I don't know. I don't know, Sometimes he went down right away, Sometimes be stay up there. 0. So when they came down, they would go to the kitchens is that correct? Yeah, moat of it. Aed were you there waiting for them or did you My office was right next to the kitchen, so I was there ~~ and the kitchen was the focal point of the house basically. So they have te go te the kitchen either to get pay or to go te their ca @. Did you converse with any of the girls whee they came down after the massage? A. Very Little. Very little. Q. Did you ever observe a girl who appeared upset, surprised, shocked, anything of that nature when they came down? A, Never, Never. And sometimes you would pay them, correct? That's correct. How much would you -- (361) 832-7506 wo. ‘That never happened? Never happened. You mentioned that Mr. Epstein put you in contact with Mr. Murrell; is that correct? MR. CRITTON: Form. ‘THE WITWESS: Wot Mr. Epstein. BY 1, MERMELSTE: Q. Hun? A. Tt wasn't Mr. Epstein. Q. Mr. Epstein*s investigator put you in contact with Mr. Murrell? A, That's correct. He gave me his name. Q. And did you pay Mr, Murrell out of your own pocket? A 1) I didn’t pay nothing. Q. Whe is what was your understanding as to Who was paying for Mr. Marrell? A. I don't know. 1 doe't know who was paying for it. Q. You never asked Mr. Murrell who was paying his bill? A. No, he never send me a bill. o Did you think that Mr. Murrell was doing it for free? (363) 932-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC, Re eae eerie on ttl {s6t) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCE, INC. (361) 32-7306 Coctneematy eegued by Rembe Tworewad 4) 177 678 380m a I a re PEE erent tet co Briers (961) 992-7506 3504-022 Page 9 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002623 EFTA00157576

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AL I don't know. Q. You don’t know, As far as you know, Mr. Murrell could have been providing you legal services for free? A. Mo, I don"t think it was provided se for fr I don’t think he ever == that queation ever come cut of Mr. Merrell, was in Nr. Murrell's office for about ten minut And be say! LL, T meet you tomorrow there -- and that's it -- in order to protect you so they don't incriminate you in any way. We left it at that. He never send me a bill. He never send me ~~ I never talk to Mr. Murrell again, never saw him again. 0. And you never had any kind of understanding with him as to how == AL te. 0. -- how his bill was going to be paid? AL Me. ©. Did you sign any kind of what we call, « retainer agreement, anything where you hired hin? aA. ie, WR. CRITTON: Just #0 you know, you have an attorney <= nobody's going te tell you this apparently. You have an attorney/client privilege. Any Page 118 conversation that you had with Mr. Murrell, you and your wife, is completely protected, as long ax you want to ansert that privilege. You can either assert it oF not assert it. That*s your right. But nobody's apparently going to tell you that, at least Mr. Mermelstein is not going to tell you that. MA. MERMELSTRIN: Well, I was trying to avoid =~ Mi. CRITTON: Well, you're asking questions of what he anid. MR, MERMELSTEIN: I'm not avking them what they said. MA. CRITTOW: Same thing. MR. MERMELSTEIN: I'm asking him how he got paid. MR. CRITTON: Wo, you were -- read back your questions where you were. Anyhow, that’s a right you have, 80... So much for the law. Ah. MERMELSTEIW: of was mot asking him what was said during any conversation. I asked him if he signed a retainer. That's a fair question, BY MR, MERMELSTEIN: Q- Do you remember a girl who came to give 1941) 832-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) #22-7506 1561) 632-7500 PROSE COURT BEPORTING AGENCY, IWC. (561) 092-7506 ecimmnatiy eagraed by Ramine Teereaent /401 377 EM IH Ceceonrarety vegned oy Sentry Tworeens a tts Sen a SE rte et tr ee tt sO ‘Scan apn Sona pe AGRA net re ca # weet a ae 1361) 932-7509 Page 119 massages there by the ease of MM does chat nane sound familiar at 211? No. Do you remenber 7 o Wo. 0. What abowt aff? co you remeber anyone by the name of [i A. No. Q. Was it frequent that girls would come just once and mot appear again? A. Prequentiy. Q. These girls that would come, would they come with their own equipment or supplies? A. Mo, Some girls, they come in with # tabi the new girls they come in with « table, And t would told them, no, you don"t need the table. They will leave it in the kitchss beceuse we have tablex in eve reem in the hou Q. Some of the girls, the first time they care they didn’t have anything, right? A. They wom with Ghat table, ome of the tables they hang it in the shoulders, portable tables, But we didn't have portable tables in the room, They were ail custom-nade tables. @. Did some girls come without =~ for the first PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCT, INC. (561) #32-7506 Page 120 time without any supplies at all, whether equipment or lotions or anything of that nature? A. Probably, 9. Did you have » question in your mind as to whether they were professional at this business? AL Mo. Q. At massaging? AL Me. @. Why not? A, Tt was not my job. MR, CRITTOW: Form, BY MR, MESMELSTEIN: Q. You just didn't think about it? WR. CRITTOW: Form. THE WITNESS: If 1 was told that a coming, my job was to open the door, let her in and let Mr, Epstein decide where he wants his massage. And that was the end of it. BY MR, MERMELSTEIN: Q. Are you aware that sexual conduct between an Adult male and an underage female is ceiminaly itt» against the law? MA. CRITTON: Form. THE WITMESS: Of course I do. (561) 432-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 etenrsty ged oy Re Trova A} 177 300 (ect wgnee ty Sante Yowcea vet 1478 ata, Coeereaety ret i Semen Tromre| Pca Fo Rr Pte enc ee Sees Sad al Vnertes egret Fu Car # i) Usnend Naeem neem ‘G) LEPOONE RESP OME O20 “oi sunrceNe 3504-022 Page 10 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002624 EFTA00157577

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Page 121 ©. Did you have any concerns while you were working there that criminal acts were occurring with the Girls who were coming te the door? Wh. CRITTOM: Form. THE WETNESS: f had no idee what was going on between then. BY MA. MERMELSTEIN: 0. Lat am just give you some other names, Tell if you recognize any of these names. = (Neds head.) Name does mot ring « bell? (Nods head.) MA. CRITTON: You have to answer out loud. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: e You need to say yes or no. A Ko. Es A Can you repeat that? 0, PB would be the first name. [EB vould be tne second name? (361) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 Eamretnay gr by Rae | earn et 7. [asses tossetst vest see 15:17 5) a oe ened suarranesaaocce oa = No. Mone of those girls’ -~ Mone of those girls ring a bell at all? ~~ name familiar to am. Either they came one time, one day and they didn't even told me their names or ~~ or he paid for it that I don"t have ~~ but nome of those names sound faniliar to me. Q. You testified that there were -- about the sex toys that you would pick up after ~~ after there were massages, correct? MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MA. MERMELSTEIN: Q. ‘The vibrators, correct? MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MA. MERMELSTETN: Q. You can answer, a 0. And you mentioned there was # basket with thene vibrators or toys in them, correct? x Mhere was the basket kept? In Ma. Maxwell's closet. And that was in the master bedroom? (561) #32-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC, (561) 632-7506 Page 123 MR. CRITTON: Form, BY MR. MERMELSTRIN: Or off the master bathroom? Her bathroom. Hub? Her bathroom. Q. And the closet was -~ the entrance to the closet was in her bathroom? A. That's correct. Q. And it wan @ portable basket, she could move it around, correct? A, Uh-huh, Q. You have to say yes or no, A. Yes, sir. Q. And -- and that*s where the, I think you used the word dildo, correct? That's where they were located? A. Yes, sir. Q. Was there occasions where you would -- the dildo, ome or sore dildos would be owt and you would clean thes up after a massage that caly Mr. Epstein had, not Ms. Maxwell? A. It was ~~ I will says that it was about three or four occasions that I had to take this dildos and put it back where they supposed to be. And 1 took it with (361) 632-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING ACENCY, Inc. (S61) 832-7506 fressenorstocostat mest incnet en arcade ao nan atta ae TG Sovtaran erwrer: Pete Pot RCo. Ph Mew “SuRuerocns SESPoNE boo Page 124 gloves and towels ard stick it im the sink and throw it in there. Sometimes Ma. Maxwell will have a massage. And sometimes I find it after she's supposed to have a massage, those things. And also when Mr. Epstein had the massage. So I don't know who use it on who. Because scmetines they all disappear up there, Mr. Epstein, Ms. Maxwell and whoever was up there. Q. So as I understand it, you couldn't isolate a particular instant where -- A. I cannot. Q. -- Ms. Maxwell wasn't there, only Mr. Epstein had gotten a massage and then you found the sex toys? A. I cannot isolate that. Q. But it's possible that either Mr. Epstein used it or Ms. Maxwell used ity is that correct? MA. CRITTOW: Form, Form, ‘THE WITWESS: T have no idea to know. MA. MERMELSTEIN: All right. Tf have nothing further. WH. BERGER: How about if we take a break? Would you like @ break for a couple minutes? ‘THE WITWESS: Mo, that's fine. MA. BERGER: Mr, Willits, would it be possible if I could sit there, because I've got a couple (561) #32-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 632-7506 tee a es ae a ance ret he SN el rea aleaaliad 3504-022 Page 11 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002625 EFTA00157578

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Page 129 employment of Mr. Epstein in December of 2002? Does that seund correct? A ‘That's correct. e ‘And the =~ now, were you arrested in 20037 I was ever arrested. You did speak to the police? Yes. And you did have your statement taken at the State Attorney's Office? Yes. But you ~~ but that was by an Assistant State correct? Yes. The questioning? (Mods head.) Ts that correct? That's correct, You spoke separately with police officers correct? WR. CRITTON: Form. ‘BY MA. BERGER: e. In other words, the date of that statement is in October of 2003; is that correct? aA. Q. And by “that statement," I mean, the (S61) 932-7500 (961) 832-7306 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Lames Perce 7 478 2H el paseasnheeartet estes ‘Cu sre NPC CDE Page 131 A Yea, siz. ©. Aed do you remeber that you were placed under cath when you gave that statement? aA. Yea, sir. Q. And Ls everything that you say in here truthful and correct? A. As far os T know, yos, sir. 0. Okay. Now, in connection with the incident in October of 2003 involving Mr. Epstein's house and your entering his how » that ineident? A. It was in October 20037 @. When do you remesber that it was? ALE cantt remamber. @. Okay, ALL Fight, You spoke with police officers in conmection with that though, correct? Beach Police Department. A. Twent te the Why did you go to the == 1 speak to one officer. Aad why did you go there? Because Mr. == when I spoke to Mr. Epstein and we settle the Gispute, Mr. Epstein says, you Just need to go to the police department and make a statement, WR, WILLITS: Could T have Exhibit number 2, please? Thank you. (361) 832-1300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. lcemuntetolatseontteneastraeiate sel etme ware by Hemine Tomrpra AIL ARIAn Mecavrted | Ft Gre, Cet ‘G/ LOPOONE RESPONSE eT (362) 832-7806 transcript that I gave you earlier? AL At what date, sir? WR. MERMELSTEIN: 2005. WR. BERGER: I'm sorry. You're correct. Thank you. Sorry. THE WITNESS: 2005. MK. BERGER: In fact, let's ~~ Reporter, would you mark the transcript if anybody needs it? WR. CRITTON: It's Exhibit 2 row? WR. BERGER: Is that how you're doing it, just consecutively? MR. CRITTON: Yeah, let's do ity otherwise, it's going to be an awful mess, have five different Exhibit number 1s by everybody. (Exhibit nunber 2 was marked for identification purposes.) BY MR, BERGER: 0. You see Exhibit 27 [t's « transcript; is that correct? A. That's correct. 0. fs that the transcript of the sworn statement that you gave to the Assistant State Attorney in 20057 A. Yes, sir. 0. And during the lunch break, did you have an opportunity to read it? 1961) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Drasapabeeslabvorstiecssant SS pe RR aR arene con + we nite een 1561) 832-7506 Page 132 BY MR. BERGER: Q. Let me see if I understand this correctly. I think you testified earlier that you found = card or you were given a card from a police officer; is that correct? AW That's correct. @. And as a result of that, you called Mr. Epstein, correct? a That's correct. Q. Before you got that card, did you have any idea that the police were involved im your life? A No. WR. CRITTON: Forn. ‘DY MR, BERGER: 2. And you called Mr, Epstein after you got that card, correct? tow, how did you get it? Mas it mailed to fo. ft was putted in sy door. f was not home. And they went to my house and they left it in the door. Q. Amd did it have a note om it, please call? A, Yes. QO. Or was it just » card? 4361) 832-1200 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. ecteany eed by Rant Towner) 377 SNA eee eed Se Sem Hr re Tarai Rrqsevet Fes R Crs i anon A te aN NNT “Gi SUBPOENA RESPONSE 20088 1961) 932-7306 3504-022 Page 13 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002627 EFTA00157580

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Page 133 A. It was a -~ it was a Palm Beach Police Department, please call. Q. Okay. Amd you didn't call thoughs you called Me. Epstein first, right? Yeah. Because I was scared. Why were you scared? Because I thought it was of the incident that happens previously. a And what was that incident? A You know that incident. Q. I'd like to hear you describe it for ==. A. That incident is, T went to the house and I got some money. Q. What time of day did you go to the house? A. Bight. Q. Was anybody home? A, No. Q. Where did you get the money? A. Out of his bag. “a Out of hist? AL Bag. Q. Bag. Seiefease? Bag? Briefoas Briefcase? Yes. (961) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IWC. eeeeafesetttvent nest abate Larson tected verst penn sam at net nares "FER Leeks entree PFC Phe ewe ‘whamane sieeve oe (563) 992-1806 -- of his briefcase? Tt was twice. When was the other time? Couple weeks before. What time of day was that? At night. And how much did you take out the first time? It was a total of $6,300, That's for both times? ‘Yeah. Can you break then down? 1 think one time was $1,500. Another time ©. Now, you left in Decerber of 2002 and then there were these two incidents that you just described? A. Ubehuh. Q. Did you have any contact with Mx. Epstein in between leaving his employment and the first of these two instances? aA None. 0, And as for as you knew, did anybody see you take the money on either occasion? 361) 832-7300 PROSE COURT RKPORTING AGENCY, IWC. (362) 032-1506 Page 134 0. Now did you == did you know that there was | money in the briefcase? AL Yes, 9, Now did you know that? A, Because I replenish that case many times before. 0, Now, how many months after you left Ne, Epatein's employment did this occur? A. don't have == I would says, three to four months, @. f would just ask @ favor of you. The court reporter needa to see your face so she can understand what you're saying. She's looking -- you put your hand | in front of your mouth. That's all. | Now, when you worked for Mr. Epstein, did you learn that he kept money in that briefcase? A Tes. ©. And, 50, when you went to his house on that occasion, did you just assume that there would in the briefcase? A. ¥ 0. And -- and did you take money out of that briefcase? A. ‘ ©. Mow, is that the only time that you took money (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 acer eee uaeltntmentr tame Page 136 Q. And, 90, when you saw the card from the police, you assumed it had to do with these two instances? a w Q. And there was no other reason why you thought it had to do with Mz. Epstein? AL Mo, sir. Q. And when you called him, did you discuss these two incidents with hin? A. When T call Mr. -- You said you got the card -- Wo. -- and then you called him? No, we did not discuss that money or nothing T ask him, what happening? I got this and I thought that this was all going on, Jeffrey? what's over. Wo, he says, John, it has nothing te do with that soney. @. Did you ever read the incident report by the police, the Palm Beach Police Department? Did you ever read it? AL Wo. MR. CRITTOM: Regarding what? 4361) 632-7300 PROBE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IWC, Rreeaey mere by Rae Towner 40) 377 478 3 ee ee Hees PE PE NLATYEeye r e one ee Uae th a tte nae aca (961) 932-7506 3504-022 Page 14 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002628 EFTA00157581

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Page 137 MR. BERGER: Regarding these incidents. BY MR. BERGER: e You never read it? a Wo. @. Let me hand you this MR. CRITTON: Is there an extra copy? MR. BERGER: Yeah. BY MR, BERGER: @. What I'm showing you, have you ever ween this before? A. Woe MR. BERGER; Let's have this marked as Exhibit 3, please, MM. CRITTON: Can T keep this? (Bxhibit number 3 was marked for Adenti fication purposes.) SY Mk. BERCER: ©. It appears te be about 20 pages and it has, Palm Beach Police Department Incident Report, om the top page. Turn to the third page. And you see where it starts the narrative, the Paragraph? Do you see where that starts? a Yes, sir, @. And it says: “Om Sunday, Gctober 5, ‘03 at (361) 832-7300 PROSE COURT ARPORTING AGENCY, INC. (sen) 932-7506 Lcreamaey marae by Sane SIRES EER a secon snes Page 139 ©. Okay, Okay, Now, if you look further down, | you'll see it says, quote, Epstein further advised « black Glock handgun was taken from the book shelf located behind the desk, snquote. | Do you see that? aA Yes. Did you take a black Glock handgun from hin? Absolutely not. | . Be you know if anybody did? | - We, wie. te this the first time thet you ever heard Mr. Epstein may have told the police =~ A. Wo, This question T was anked by the police. 0. Okay. Now, you see the mext sentence? It says! “Epstein advised he suspected cash had been taken from his briefcase on two other occasions while he was in town for the weekend. The first was over the Labor Day weekend, August 30 to September 1. The second time was a weekend in mid-September 2003," Do you see = Toon. -- the mention of those two incidents? ‘Uh-huh. Yes? ‘Uh-huh. (862) 832-7500 POSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IMC. (561) #327506 Sa aa earring coats ate “ BROONS NESE E Page 138 approximately €:24 hours, t was dispatched to « burglary at 358 £1 Britic Way.” Do you see that? A Yeah. @. Mow, October 5, 2003, do you recall that that was about when the time you took the money from He. Epstein's briefcase was? A OM I don"t recall. But if they say it, I have to agree with it. Q. Mell, you left in December of 2002. And before I showed you this document, you said that these Ancidents occurred about three or four sonths later. So apparently they occurred more than three or four months later; is that correct? A. Apparently, yes. Q. Well, now after -- after looking at this, sir, do you actually recall that it ocourred more than three or four months later? After looking at this? Yeah. It could be. But do you actually remember it being mo! than three or four months? A. I don't remember if it was more than three sonths. {961} 992-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 32-7506 SSSR omen ~ rom | Trearnent Megara | Fed. A Cars ® fin Vane “au aueroeNa Paso SOOT You've got to say yes or no. Now, look up at the top of that paragraph. You see where it says: “After* == it's about the fourth “Epstein advised that on Saturday evening, October 4, 2003, he left his briefcase at his desk and went to bed at approximately 12:30 a.m. Spstein said when he left his briefcase, it contained approximately $5,000 0.5. currency.” Uh-buh. Do you see that? Yea. And then it goes further on, it says @ sentence or two, it say: “Epstein stated at approximately 7:15 hours on Sunday, October 5, 2003, while sitting at his desk, he noticed the briefcase had been opened and some of the cash was missing. Epstein believed approximately $3,500 was taken from the briefcase Do you see that? A. Yo. 0. Now, when you read this whole paragraph here, do you agree that Mr. Epstein is <= and assuming that the police took this down accurately == that Mr. Epsteis is describing three separate instances -— (561) #32-7S00 PROSE COUNT NEPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 632-7506 ESSE SESE SSS Sapa nee eves res con 9 te Uanad nee teste bn camnt ae "o) 9u8PCEn Peron DONTE 3504-022 Page 15 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002629 EFTA00157582

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Page 137 WR. CRITTOM: That wasn't an investigator. It was a subpoena server? THE WITNESS: Yeah. BY MA. BERGER: Q. Process server. Proce: ever. Mow, this is Me. Robert Critton. Have you talked to him before today? A. Yes, sir. Q. How many times have you talked to Mr. Critton? A. Once in my house. And we talk about ten minutes yesterday? Monday? Monday? Q. Yesterday? A. Yesterday. Q. Okay. And what did you discuss? A. Discuss the same questions that you telling me. And he told me basically, say the treth, Tell the truth, nothing but the truth, And be firm and be == speak your mind and don't be afraid. T thought that this incident about my life never would have come out. I wish it would have never come out. it come out and it's too La! eis about, don't A. Of course. I think it's a case against Mr. Epstein. But it's not a case against me, is it? (S61) 932-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IWC. \cteenaty sme See rset a7 474 868 me in a Recpeented ( Pet con het hom Sinranesnoocecn soar (561) 832-7506 1961) 832-7500 And you know it's ~~ (Seief interruption.) BY WR. BERGER: 0. And you know it's a serious case for people that are bringing it? THE COURT: Form. THE WETNESS: Absolutely. BY MR. BERGER: 0. So you had this conversation with Me. Critton yesterday? A. Wot about the seriousness, no. Q. Mo. Mo, But the conversation that you had with Mr. Critton was yesterday, correct? A OM Told him he -- he told me basically he was going to be here, that » bunch of lswyers were going te ask me questions and that I showld be truthful and nothing else, basically. 0. Well, what else did he say? A. What else did Mr. Critton says? Nothing. Ke IS - astes ve now 1 felt. Ard I says, well, I want to get this done. I want to get it over, done, and go on with my life for FROGE COURT REFORTING AGESCT, INC, (963) 832-7506 ecmmnaty petty tenes trees 81317 78 aN Loomeendncee ist rerss Daa same sant ne eae or heen Towers ham Tarr mune Fw Crs x Ud the rest of my life. I want to finish with this, 1 don"t want nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein or this cane, once and for all. @. Did you talk to him about the confidentiality agreement that you mentioned? A. Mow Q. Or the separation agreement? AL No. @. Or the arrest? AL Mo. Or the $30,000 that you were paid? A. Bos ©. Did he tell you that this case that we're here about -- A. $30,000 where? What $30,0007 0. You said you were paid $30,000 and your wife “as paid $20,000. Yes. Yes. The separation agreement. No. You didn't talk about that? No. Did he tell you there were young women suing Mr. Epstein? Did he tell you that yesterday? A. Mo, He mentioned to me that it was # lot of lowsuits ageinst Mr. Epstein, criminal and civil suits. (S61) 632-7800 (361) 832-7506 Ceceeeaaty eared iy Rem Trova) 377 478 300m Seer warty emt Tv WE Nieto, Phe Rhema acre nar Senet EPONA RESPOMEE OA? wi PROGE COURT REPORTING AGRECY, INC. (961) 932-7500 Page 160 And -- not yesterday, but when he was in my howse with his secretary. Q. Not yesterday? A. Not yesterday. Q. When was he was at your house with the secretary? A. About two months ago, @ month and a half ago. Q. You can't look to him to answer. You've got to answer. A. IT cannot remember exactly the date, but I would say it was about a month ago. Q, Maybe I misunderstood, Was Mr. Critton at your house yesterday? A, No. Me called me yesterday. 0. He called you yesterday? A. Yes, air. Q. And you talked for abowt ten minutes yesterday on the phone? A. No mare. Q. Did you tell me everything that you and Mr. Critton talked about yesterday? Yes. Wow, he visited your hous ¥ “= a month ands half or two months ago == PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 3504-022 Page 20 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002634 EFTA00157587

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Page 161 Page 162 A. fe was going to come im and ask questions Abnolutely. == with his secretary? about this case. Yon, 0. So what did he say? Amd did she take notes? A. Same questions that you guys are asking me, ‘Yeu, she did, exactly the same questions. Q. Mothing more? A. Basically what you saw, what you did, what Pardon se? She did. She took notes. Just by pen and paper? your job description was, what you did, how you start fen and paper. your day, how was your day and how was -- whet time you Not @ machine like the court reporter? started, what time you finish and what you did, and what No. wes your responsibilities, And that was it. Were you taped? Bid scrmbody tape record you? | Q. Okay. Amd were you paid anything for that? No. A. Absolutely not, The only money that 1 got, it Did he show you the motes that ahe took down? wan from you for this $47 check for coming in here. Mo. ‘Typed up and show you the transcript? Mo. Q. Okay. A. And 1 will take no money from nobody. 0. Okay. Were there =~ were there any other @. No? Mow, how long was Mr. Critton at your times that you talked to either Mr. Critton or anybody house then? from his office? A. For about half an hour, AL Mo. . And did you know that he was coming? Did he Q. You described every time that you've ever call shesd of time? talked to either Mr. Critton or people from his office? A. Mo, sir. Q. You've described ali those times that you've A. Toab. And, #0, what did you expect wax going to happen? talked to Mr. Critton or people from hia office? I'm {S62} 832-7800 ROSE COURT MERORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) #22+7506 {961} 932-7900 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 SS teeny spt ty Bane teoenens ast 37 478 Som Shavecay ogeaey toes Sg mi a a bh nactne te gsr care or eee Towne ceed Ft CP Met teen ew ene om hee Tomer hams Ther mune FF Crs. ed ‘omamwanesheecvon oar “aintercenarosrcn Sone Page 163 Page 164 not asking the question clearly. a1] the massage therapists. It was two pages or Oid you talk to Mr. Crittom any other time? three pages of people in a plastic sheet that we A. fo, 1 talked to Mr. Ceitton twice, once in my had it where -- by the telephones. ‘That was it. house, once yesterday. BY MR, BERGER: 2. Mow, how abowt Mr. Jack Goldberger, ls Bove the names? Mr. Epstein’s criminal defense attorney, did you ever | Mares and phone: talk to him? Telephone numbers? A Mo. Gh-bah , o Did you ever talk to Alam Dershowitz about any Mhat abowt eddresses? of these matters? Mo, no addresses. fo, air. Mhat about dates? Or Roy Black? Mo, sir. Mo, sir. | And who prepared the list? Now, I'm just going back over some different Either Ms. Maxwell -- Ms. Maxwell. things that you mentioned. fas it typed? You ssid that there was a Roledex that you Yeah. They were types. created of names of women? . Wo. Typed. A. Mot it was a name just woman. - Yeab. compani: air condition compani Tt was cl . Who typed it? companies. It suppliers. And it was - I don't know who type it, bet it came from New Woladex that I left it there. ©. Did you have # list of girls on your Roladex? | The list? MR, CRITTON; Form, Year. THE WITKESS: No. We had» List of girls in . Did you -- did you give the information that «=~ ina <= ins sheet with plastic thet we have went into the list? (341) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IWC. (561) 832-7506 (961) #327500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 SERS ron Yenrert Pecrsid ot R.Can Peso enna =a (FO Corteemnat Tema Regeved | Fed A Carn * tint Vane “GI BLEPOCNA RESPONCE Oi “ci SuaCeNa RESPONSE DSH 3504-022 Page 21 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002635 EFTA00157588

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Wo. Mhere was the list kept? A. In many places, It was in Mrs, Maxwell's desk, Tt was one in the kitchen, one in my office, one in my room because sometimes I was in my room and I have to cali these people, It was one in the new house when they build the new house, It was all over. And it was iso those -- those files for the hou the house ceminy epuration. Q, Mas it the same list that was in ali those places? A. Basically, yes. Q. Was the list updated? AL Yea. Q. Did you keep a copy of the list? A. Mo, I don't have a copy of the list. Q. When you left Mr. Bpstein's employment, you didn't take a copy with you? A. Mot at all. @. And when you worked for Mr. Epstein, you didn't write motes about what you did and what you saw? Wo. Wo? Mo, T had too much to do. You didn't put anything in a competer about (561) 32-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IMC. ¢561) 632-7506 eee ened tens Sarees aoshomeeent secant set ba iment te — ron Trestren Requested ( Fed Gown P Chei Mrmr A That's the only one that I can think she was young, but I don't know how old, ©. Bo you still have the transcript from «~ from the police in front of you, from the State Attorney's Office? it's below that. It's at the bottem. Keep going. You see? Turn te page 9. Page 9. Now, look at me. It says, page 10, but it also says page 9. fo you got page 9? Page 9 and page 10. Okay. Oh, okay. Page 9. Okay. I want you to see page 9. MR. CRITTOW: You want the transcript page 97 ‘WR, BERGER: Yeah. make sure you're on the right Look at line 13. It says, answer: “No, sir. Mostly no. We sav one or two young ones in the last year.” ($62) 832-7500 THOSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) #32-7506 excraceny vat ess jonceeceeaeanet — Pecpeented ( Fat Gowns Che SaaS what you saw at the house? A, Mo, ir. 2 Bid you ever talk to your wife about what you naw at the houne? A. Like what? Sew about what? @. About the dildos, About the you ever talk to your wife about that? A. Yeah, And that's one of the reasons thet f never send my wife after <= this hap == these dildos and things like that happened right at the end of my stay there, It never happened before. Right at the last couple months before I left. And that == ©. Aed that's when young girls =~ WR. CRITTON: Let hin finish his answer. THE WETNESS: And my == my worry about was that my wife will panic. And 1 never send her up there to clean up the rooms or anything el BY MR. BERGER: @. Is that when young girls started coming to the house? “R. CRITTON: Form. THE WETWESS: One girl that I can think of. BY MR. BERGER: 2. dust one? A. Cee girl, That girl that abe show me the (361) 832-7900 PROSE COURT BEPORTING AGENCY, INC. 1561) 832-7506 crema wares ty Samar cee cpesty tonne eat te ha anatanente “ 70 ‘iri Memssve |Fe .Cirx x ans “ai muarcena rovers owt Do you see that? MR. CRITTON: Form. It's taken out of context. There's no question. BY WR. BERGER: Q. Do you see those words? A. Did they seem ~~ did they seem young to you? Wo, sir, mostly were no. We saw two young ones in the last year. Q. Well, it actually says, “we saw ome or two young ones in the last year.” A. *We saw one of two young ones in the last yeer. Before that they were all adults.” Q. The one of two young ones in the last year that you're referring to, who are they? Aone wan] and the another one as SD Q. Don't write on that. Okay? Don't write on that with your pen. Look at paragraph -- look at line 19. ¥ tt saya, quote, I remeber one girl was young, Do you see that? Yeah. MR, CRITTOW: Fors, (961) @32-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (961) #32-7306 3504-022 Page 22 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002636 EFTA00157589

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(961) #32-7300 fooneed reeeees Page 173 went to his office im the pool house and it was -- T talk to him and says, John, -- T went with some faxes that came to my office and they were people interviewing tor my job. So I feel very pissed about it, And I went to his office and said, Jeffrey, what is this? And what is thie? And what ie this? We says, well, that's Ghislaine, I'm not involved into that. And 1 says, okay. We're going to leave, Jeffrey. That's it. Me're done, And what you going to do for me? And he says, well, what you want? And 1 says, give ma at least « year's salary. And that’s what it turn out to be, around $50,000, plus the van. And he saya, okay, John, wish you good luck. And the last day f was there we shake hands and we left. But my relationship with him, it was good. It was friendly. At the beginning of the -- my job was very friendly. Then he changed when Ms. Maxwell cone in. I didn't like to work for her, She was a bitch. And she make os life bell. And that's why we left. Mut it was not with Mr. Epstein, Q. Po you know why there wan « confidentiality Provision in your agreement? PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (361) #327506 SENS EERE cee Q. And subsequently there was an incident in 2003 that you've described in some detail, based on the questions that have been asked, and you and Mr. Epstein reached an anicable agreement; you repaid him the monies that you had takes and you parted? AL Yes. Q. Is that # fair statement? A. And I will have to add something te that. When we talk at the luncheonette, we have coffee, he says, John, if you were not my best employee that I ever have and that you would not take care of my mother, I would have put you away. And that's the way he come out to me. And I says, I Like you and let me back in one or two week just pay because I send the money back and it got lost, So he give me another -- mot him, but his lawyer says, you got another month to pay. 30 between I got the money == the money order was lost in the mail. So 1 send it back. I pay everything, $6,310. I think it was 6320. And that was it. Q. And I'm more interested, not so mach in the details, Me. Alessi, but the color, so to speak, the lawyers have put on this, is, is that as 9 result of (561) 932-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (361) €32-7306 Page 174 A. Mo. That's lawyer stuff. 1 don't know. WR. BERGER: Okay. That's all I have. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. CRITTON: Q. Mr. Alessi, my name is Bob Crittom, as you know, and I represent Mr. Epstein. A. Yes, sir. ©. You've been -- this deposition started at 10:00, Its almost -- it's closing in on 3:00 but for about 45 minutes or sn hour that we took for lunch. I'm going to try to be relatively brief so we can get you out of here, Okay? A. Okay, sir. 0. You've been asked questions by five different lawyers who represent various Plaintiffs in this case, A. Yes, sir. 0. In some instances you've been asked the sane question maltiple times? AL Yes, sir. 0. The testimony =~ you've also been asked a number of questions about your separation from Mz. Epstein sometime at the end of December of '02 and the entrance or your entering into a separation agreement with hin? A. Uh-huh, (961) 832-7500 PROGE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC, (561) 992-7506 ny Ramin Trewnmen 421 377 E78 SHO reece eet Lnreeeen fesmet-oorsd Joh aactme cet na ances sr seme Temers Herat Verne Remain Fw Cir # x Ve Page 176 your separation from Mr. Epstein in late-2002 and the incident in 2003, that somehow you have colored your teatisony to help Mr. Epstein today. And my question to you ist Have you told us the truth today as to every question that's been asked and the questions that are going to be asked of you? A. To every one of you. WR. WILLITS: Object to the form of the question. BY MR, CRITTON: ©. And with regard to the agreements that you entered into with Mr. Epstein, in particular the confidentiality agreement, you were asked a question by Ma. Ezell whether you understoed that you're net bound by confidentiality today. And you responded in the affirmative, right? You understand that you're te tell us ~~ to answer every question fully to the best of your knowledge? A. Absolutely. . And that you have done today? A © @ Okay. Y&R. WILLITS: Object to the form of the question. BY MR. CRITTON: 4861) 632-7500 PROSE COUNT MEPONTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 832-7506 map ty Santen pes ty tae rom Terown Prmanvint | c Cire # Re Wate "ou busrcesn Reronse ooDese 3504-022 Page 24 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002638 EFTA00157591

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Page 185 Q. Me. Alessi, in the 11 years thet you worked them afterward? A. Yeah. for Mr. Epstein, with regard to the massage therapists ~= and I'm talking about all of then, women, Q. Did you usually see them if they came down? men, the coes that were 18, 19, 20, or the ones that A. Yeah. were older == did you ever see -- or, first of all, did Q. So you would have had an opportunity to you ever hear any complaints about =~ from the massage observe their appearance, correct? | A. ‘That's correct. therapists about the massage they hed given to Q. Have you seen people who look distraught, in Mr. Epstein? AL te. shock, scared, upset, angry in the past -- not massage Q. Did you ever see « massage therapist during therapists -- have you seen people in your life those 11 years that appeared to you to be distraught? experiences? A. Gh, yeah, yes. MR, MERMELSTEIN: Object to the form. BY MR. CRETTON: A. Never. To be in some form of a shock? Mever. To be scared? Q. So if =~ well, let me ask it this way: In I newer see anybody scared. Did you ever see someone who looked like they your Life experiences before you worked for Mr. Epatein, aed, in fact, during the time you worked for Mr. Epstein, have you seen individuals not associated With Me. Epstein who appeared to be distraught, in were upset or crying? A Wo, wir, shock, scared, upset, angry or injured? ©. fT think you, dn response to Mr. = well, not sure who asked the question -- but they -- you were ALM asked whether you ever spoke to the individuals =~ MR. MERMELSTEIN: Object to form. AL tea. BY MR. CRITTOR: Q. == when they came down, And I think you said Q. Have you seen people who appeared to you to from time to time you might have some small talk with have been traumatized by # particular event? (561) 632-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 1561) #32-7506 (961) 932-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IRC. (361) 832-7306 Ee SR a EET Set nemeesirean cn + we vanes eam erasers no WR. MERMELSTEIN: Object to form. ~ THE WITKESS: ¥ BY MR, CRITTON: come back down and resume your multiple duties 2. Mave you seen people who seem to be -- well, I downstairs? ssnure you've seen people who have yelled or screamed as A. Ndsolutely. * result of some event that hed occurred in your 0. As to what occurred during the course of a presence? massage, do you have any personal knowledge during the AL fen. 11 years you were there? A. There was absolutely no way to know or to get | | @. Once that person was upstairs, you then would | | 0, Om the massage therapists that you at | Mr. Kpstein’s house from 1992 up until the time you left into the room. The windows were what they have, those in December of *02, did you ever see any type of automatic electric shutters. They were completely dark, reaction, distraught, shock, scared, upset, crying, completely a hundred percent dark, the rooms. And it was -- nobody saw it, I knew it when I was at the house disheveled, injured, disoriented, yelling or screaming that I never saw anything was going on inside. @- So you have no personal knowledge what occurred during any particuler massage? A. Nothing, 0. And 1 think you seid -- well, let me atrike that. for help at any tine? A. Mo, air, ©. Once the massage == once == let me strike that. If I understood your testimcny, you helped set up ~~ either you set up the reem or you helped set up the massage room? In other individuals whee you have dene work for at big houses in Pale Beach, did those people from A. Ub-hub. And you might be the person or it might be time to time have massages, too? who would lead the massage therapists or A. f never work in @ house inside as I did work the female up to the room, the male or the tensile up to for Mr. Epstein. the roon? @. Yours was outside maintenance work? (361) €32-7800 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (962) 992-7906 {S61} 832-7500 —- PROGE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC, (361) #32-7506 acres eres ty Sonne Sweend sy 317408 08 egret ty Senin Troms it1 377 470 a8 Sareea ep ey Sa BAU roe Pt co Oo meme tan ee A Erin re hsm nF a 3504-022 Page 27 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002641 EFTA00157594

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A. Twas the maintenance guy outside, O. ALL right. Amd if -- well, let me at that, You're aware that there's all sorts of spas. The Breakers? PGAT Trump? A. Absolutely. Q. The Ritz Carlton? The Four Seasons? And probably @ thousand other places im Palm Beach County? MR, MILLITS: Object to the form of the question. BY MR. CRITTON: QO. Mela, let me strike that. Are you aware that therets more than ten places that someone can get a massage in Palm Beach County? A. Of course, Q. Are you aware that there's probably sore than # hundred places, maybe 9 thousand places in Palm Beach County from Boca Raton up through Jupiter and ali the way out west where people can get # therapeutic or a massager A. Yes. Q. And I assume you were aware that -- or were you aware of that during the tine period that you worked for Mr. Epstein? 1861) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 gee tm Sendra Toereed SS Se RR ot co snes em ‘cu LRA NPC ODN correct? aA ‘That's correct. ©. And is that your best recollection, as you sit here today? A, That's the best recollection. OQ. And ome of the vibrators, you said was, as you described earlier, looked like a dildo? A. Right. Amd == M&. WILLITS: Object to the form of the question. ‘SY MR. CRITTON: @. Mell, let me ask you this: Was the item that you described, that's described at Lines 12, 13 and 14, and 15 =~ 12, 13 and 14 on page 20, i that what you described, is that what you were talking about as the dildo? AL Yes. Q. And I asoume you're familiar with what a dildo A. I know that it's one of those -- Q. You don't have to describe it. Just are you familiar with what one in? AL Wo, I don't. I'm not really familiar with that type of instruments. Sut what did I saw it and is (361) #327500 PROSE COUNT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 1561) 832-7506 Caechecany mgr ty Sane Vowanend 6077 31408-2800) heeseatetahietdialnenll Ris roomie Fat cat Page 190 A Yes. @. And T think you told us that you were aware that there were massage schools? a ve Q. Amd is it your understanding that generally massages are given in a -- in a room with a table where the Lights are generally turned down? A, And manic on, yeah. ©. Al right. You were asked # question sbout vibrators or I think that the word was sex toys. Tf you'll turn to page 20 of your statement, sir. Tf you look at page -- if you just glance at line 9 == A. Okay. ©. =» through line 22. Take a chance. If you'll just look at that, then I'21 ask you a couple questions. Read to yourself, please. Otherwise, the court reporter will have to take down everything you say. AW Yeah. e And at least the statement that you gave beck in -- on Novenber 21st of 2005, almost ainost four years ago mow, you describe that there were == that you saw two types of massagers or vibrators; fa that 1362) 932-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Soares PCa a ay Saeed Aa eae Ab her ems 70m Tose Plrgunvint |e Cars # Re Mate “au Suara Fearon oO Page 192 it true now, is it true when I make this statement, it was @ big rubber man's -~ Q. Penis? A, == looking penis, with double head, two heads. Amd =~ A. And I don't know how is it even called. And I am sorry. It's # little unpleasant. Q. ‘That's all right, The second item that you described was s neck and back vibrator; is that correct? A. Yeah, They have this vibrators, they have the cordless and they have these balls and they have different types of those vibrators, too. Q. Like you can get then at Srookstoee or something like that? AL Yeah, Yeak. ¥ Q. So at least when you were at Mr. Epstein's, and I think as you described in response to lawyer's questions today, is during the last couple of months ‘that you worked at Mr. Epstein's you saw these two vibrators? AL Yes. Q. And on those two cccasions you'd take those vibrators, if you went up to clean afterwards, you'd put on your gloves, pick then up with a towel and you'd (961) #32-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 . 70M Content Truro lemurs Crm i Water "ol Susrces earns ouneee 3504-022 Page 28 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002642 EFTA00157595

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8 them off and you'd put them back in THE WETNESS: 1 find it in the sink. Mrs. Maxwell's == BY WR. CRITTON: A. Closet. 0. And then you would clean up and put it back in Q. == closet in her bathroom? MR. WILLITS: Object to the form of the A. Twill put my rubber gloves, get a towel, put question. them under the sink, run the water and put then in the THE WITWESS: TI put it back in the closet and closet. inside the closet there was a laundry basket that Q. And you put them back in Ms, Maxwell's closet? is where she had those. A. Closet. BY MA. CRETTON: Why? Why into her closet? 0. And as to whether or not someone actually used Because they were always kept there. those itens or how they were used, all you know is you All right. You testified earlier, is that if found then == you were going te call someane for a massage, it would A. I find it in the sink. wither be you or Mx, Maxwell, if T understood you WR, BERGER: Objection, Mr. Critton is correctly? testifying, Leading. A. Yeah. MR, MILLITS: Objection, also, to the forn. Q. Okey. BY MR. CRETTON: A. At the end == at the and of my stay was also Q. Lat me ask you this: Do you know, if I another girl, i. came. And then she was understand it correctly, you found the two vibrators, handling everything, as far as calls to these girls. one for the neck and back and the other one that you | 0. Sid Mr. Epstein ever make these catia? described as a dildo, you found them in the sink on A. Tt never heard. those few occasions near the end of your employment? 0. Tf Mr, Epstein was not in residence, that is, A. Yes. if he was in New York or some place elas other than Palm MR. BERGER: Objection. Testifying. Leading. each, did you and your wife still atay at the howe or (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 (561) 832-7500 ROSE COURT REFORTING AGENCY, INC, (561) 892-7306 SORE ISS AS ates rest co neste nant Sora St Ss Tap g CPD oe cm 7 8 eg mesi mre ‘qummrcane sharcven coor "Ss muercene Faron SOOT would you go to one of your apartment? type routine? A. No, Me went to our apartment. A. That's right. Q. And then when he wasn't there, would you have OQ. Amd if he was in residence, that's when your Pretty more regular howrs around the house? feb became much more at} encompassing? A. Pretty much. Pretty much, yeah, That was the A. Exhausting. days that we had to have the cleaning crew, I still hed 0. Okay. You were asked about « female naned te go to the how GBB = think you originally thought it was, but and oversee the cleaning operation, oversee the gardener because there was not, when they were there the gardener weren't supposed to make noise, a0 we have to take care of the pool, the chlorine and You recall now; is that correct? " eT Q. And I think you described her, I think your recollection was, is that you remanber her being at the all that stuff. 0. $0 you would still do your regular but you could finish pretty much 9:00 to 5:00? A. Yes. That was much easier. Q. And when he was — how often would he generally be in Palm Beach? house the last few months that you worked for Mr. Epstein? A. Yeah. The last few months A. Too much. Q. And that's the only time that you remeber her Q. All right. But if -- would he be here at actually being there? least a couple -- A. Yeah. A. TT would says, at leest three times @ year =~ 0 0, Because you actually recall when she used to aceth, three weeks a month, three weekends « month. work at Mar-s-lago, and then you recall her starting to Usually they come in on Thursday. Either they left a come to =< Monday or Tuesday. A. To the house, 0. And then they go wherever else they were going Q. == Mr. Epstein's home? and then things would get back to more of a 9:00 to 5100 (S61) 032-7500 OROSS COURT OEFORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 632-7506 (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (S61) 992-7506 Decrement sare oy Sentry Toone Cecteaeaty mares oy Sent Townend oh 3778-888 (hacia tget oy bene towne Set che tet tt naan ae /———+ — ~ a con Pei re ey Hamers Te PLEAD Yair onscreen Core in amend ante mae eRe “Gu BuEPODNS RESPOAE Be "Gs BUBPCEMA RESPONSE DOT? 3504-022 Page 29 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002643 EFTA00157596

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Page 205 Wot too frequent. But, also, he was a he was some sort of brain scientist? -- I think so, he was into the science. MA. CRITTOW: Form. And Larry Summers? THE WITNESS: Wo. Wo. Mo. I know his Larry Summers, Yes. Larry Summers was a background. And I =~ over the years I learn how he come up and into the business and how he make his I thimk perhaps he was the president of o fortune. And I don't think he was a brain scientist. T don"t know. BY WS. BELL: Wo? Q. Nobody ever told you that? Wo. AL Wo. Well, then among those that you recall, Q. If you take a look again at page 9 of the Mr. Nowak, the biologist and Mr. Risorski, did they ever transcript, Exhibit 27 have massages that you can recall? A. Okay. A. I cannot recall, mo. Q. Let me call your attention to tine 2, which 0. Wen it your impression thet Mr. Epstein liked begins with the question: “Did he have girls come over to surround himself with extraordinarily bright people? to give massages?” A. Yen. | AL Yes. WR, CRITTON: Form, Q. And you said: "Yes." OY MS. eneLL: AL Yes. @. And is it your impression, also, that he's Q. The next question is: “low many massages rather bright and brilliant himself? would he have in one day?" AL Yes. And I think you said earlier, maybe -- WR, WILLITS: Form. sometimes they'd have three a week? BY MS. EXELL: A. Mo, Mo, That was not the question. = did you ever gsin the impression that Sometimes he hed one, two or three # day. (S62) 832-7509 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (563) 932-7506 (561) 632-7500 PROGE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, TNC. (S63) 932-7506 <i Seaway cuuten teste Trreensyemernasecen — Tea tare re cent Pca Pt mr — 7m Ceram rete Cr. en Page 200 Q. That's what I wanted to ask you. they asked you: "What do you mean, when they looked a day sometines? young?™ On line 17. A. Up to three a day. Do you see that? Q. And did that happen often? MR. CRITTON: Porn. a Very oft Or he hed yoga in the morning or THE WITWESS: Yeah. in the afternoon it was a massage. I don"t know that | OY MS, EXELL: again. When it was yoga, it in the pool house. Q. Then you go om to say: “I remember one girl When it was massage, it was upstairs. So I don't what was young. We never asked how old she was. It was mot they did when closed doors, you know. But it was o ny job." couple of these girls that were yoga experts and they And the questioner said: "Right. I were massage therapists at the same time, so I don't understand.” know. But there were -- many times there were two, And you said: “I imagine she was 16 of three massages a day. 17," == Also, she had a massage just about every day. A. That's correct. Q, Meaning, Ghislaine? Q. == “in my judgeent.* a Yes. aA Yea. Q, Then on line 12, the question was: *Did the WR, CRITTON: Form, I think. Rasaage therapists seem young to you?” | BY MS. ERELL: Ae you said: “Mostly, no. You 0. There w the only people being discussed two young cows in the last year.” in all of this conversation were the massage therapists, A. Yeah. sight? Q. Then, again, still == MR. CRITTON: form. m&. CRITTON: Object to form. THE WITWESS: Well, we discuss aout this BY 4S. EZELL: girl that I mention in here, I thinking about her oy -~ Still talking sbout the message therapist, because ~~ what's her name? (341) 632-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IWC. (563) 832-7506 (968) 832-7500 PROGE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC, (961) 092-7506 Se ee eens no rename ieee ee “Gy BuEPODNE RESAOHE Boe “oi susncesm nears oun 3504-022 Page 32 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002646 EFTA00157599

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Page 213 most of this jobs that she created. Q. And one of those things you also had to do with her was to take her to different spas? aA Yes. @. And there she would recruit young women to come and do massages? A. Because she was English. And she didn't know the area too much as well as I knew. So she ~~ she says, John, make @ list of all the massage -- the spas in the area from Jupiter to Boca Raton. And we went to all the main spas. And then we went to the schools for Massage therapists, and all the massage parlors, and mansage, the small massage, So T make @ list from the telephone book and we would go from one to the another one, I would wait Page 214 questions. Thank you, siz. WGK. MERMELSTEIN: I just have a couple follow RECKOSS EXAMINATION BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. Mr. Alessi, I'L) be very brief. You testified that a process server came and gave you the subpoena to appear here today, correct? AL Yes. Q. For your deposition? AL Yes. 9. Did you call anyone after you received the subpoena to talk to them about this? AL fo. Q. didn't call anyone? in the car and she goes in, AL Wo. Ard sometime she took # couple minutes and @. Bid you == how did you come in contact with walk out with cards, business cards. And that == she Mr. Critton's office to aet up the meeting that you did the recruiting. discussed? Aed from then, she pick up the girls and that was the end of it. I never did any recruiting and 1 him doing it. Q. You really never saw? A. Never saw Mr. Epstein recruiting anybody. MS. EZELL: All right. T have no other A. His == his secretary left me a massages on my ~~ in my machine. Q. And then you called back? A. Then I called back. a And you set up the meeting that you mentioned? never really A. And we set up a meeting for the Labor Day, ¢561) 632-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (362) 832-7506 eee a ye Nrwreend 137 424 at Lnsemrenstestst venst pennant ean carmen ir Ree mete Heh erat ecto Fo PoP he Meet ‘wmranesieecvon owe (961) #32-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (361) 32-7506 Page 219 Page 216 Labor Day, Monday. A, Same thing, what's going on. How bad the ©. What about ~~ but you said a month and a half situation was. age ~~ ch, this was before you were subpoenaed, ts when 9. What do you mean, “how bad the situation was?* you had the meeting at your house with Mr. =~ ‘Yes, before I was subpoenaed. tow Gid that meeting come about? Wow did that A Now -- 1 guess how he got into this mess. 0. How Mr. Epstein got into this mess? A. (Node head.) get set up? Whe called who? Q. Can you be more specific as to what you and A. Okay. Before -- I am stuck om this question. your wife said? A. No, It was just the publicity, you know, that his name was on the -- on the magazines and the paper and tv. And T thought that that would never happen. Q. And you and your wife felt bad for Mr, Epstein I don't know. 1 think St was Mr. Critton office. 1 think it was Mr. Critton office. They call me. And they left me a message that I must discuss ~~ call Mr. -- yeah. I had # message in my phone that to call Mr. Crittom because he would like to speak to me about because of that? Jeffrey Epstein. That was the messag And T call it. Then I spoke to him. We set up an appointment. I was sick at that time. And he A. You know, after you know somebody and he becomes @ friend of yours for ten years, I think you feel bad, no matter how bad he has made, And I don't know what he has done or what =~ what the final results of this will be. 1 still will feel bad about it, just because the person that he was and how generous he was came to my house and we discussed it, ©. Other than Mr. Critton, -- A. Yen. ©. == in the last few months have you spoken to with me and other people. anyone about the civil cases or your testimony? Q. Just to be clear, other than Mr. Critton and No, mot even my kids. your wife, you haven't spoken to anyone else about the Did you discuss this with your wife? civil cases or your deposition testinony? A. Mo, sire WA. MEAMELSTEIN: All right. That‘s all f My wife, yes. My kids, no. What did you and your wife talk sbout? (363) 832-7900 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (361) 932-7506 SEER SEES eens 1561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) #32-7506 3504-022 Page 34 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002648 EFTA00157601

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have. MR, CRITTOW: I have one last question. RECROSS EXAMINATION OY MR. CRETTON: Q. I want to just clear up one thing, Mr. Alessi. Go to page 9 a. Je 9, looks Like the one that is important. Q. That's right. We've belabored this one to death. MA, MILLITS: I think the ink has worn off the page by now. BY MR. CRETTON: O. It's Exhibit 2. This is the statement that you gave to the State Attornay"s Office on November 21st of '05. Me. Berger asked you questions about the young Girl, Ms. Ezell just asked you some questions about that. So what I want to do is clarify, so that I know what -- so there's no confusion, at least in the record. On page % line 16, it says: “During the last year when you were working with him, what do you mean they looked young? Did they look Like they were stila in high school?* (S61) 832-7500 NOSE COURT REFORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Sa SSE, eee apes Samar Yowee * Poze Fr Core el et nanan entree ‘arcane suaecee boca (361) #327300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (362) 832-7306 Lm rematy sgn by Saree Sore ae™ 5°14 aha erence ses ty Sencre Somme HLL Y AU Removes Fe A Carn? tin Viner iat sete eet Oat eatmnaet Page 218 Aed your answer “1 remerber one girl was young, We never asked how old she was. It was not my job." Did T read that question and answer correctly? A. ‘That's correct. Q If I understood your testimony in response to Mr, Berger, the girl that you were referring to, because there's # reference to high school, wai mi A, Yeah, that's correct. vot > No. ies look to me like # 16 year WR. WILLITS: All right. Thank you, That's all I have. WR. WELLITS: You have the right to read and sign this deposition if it's typed up. I'm not doing to be ordering it, but if somebody types it up you have the right to read and sign it of you can waive that right. It's up to you entirely. If you want to waive the right to read it, tell the court reporter you want to waive the right. THE WITWESS: Can you repeat that again? MR. CRITTON: Mhy don't we go off the record. (Discussion held off the record.| ‘THE WITWESS: 1 waive that right. 1 don't think I peed to see. (Witness excused.) (Neposition was concluded. } (561) @32-7300 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, IMC. (561) 892-7506 eae es =e acneenrcetevesanin a SepaNea 3504-022 Page 35 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002649 EFTA00157602