10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL APRIL 7, 2022 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00142251

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] wo 10 11 ive) ios) MR. I. a: This is Special Agent HM) «| ody is April 7, 2022. The time is 10:21 a.m. The recorder is now on. My name is | a. I’m a Special Agent with the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office. These are my credentials. MR. I. a: I'm going to -. Man. MR. i. a : This interview with Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, | a. is being conducted as part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General investigation. Today’s date is April 7, 2022. The time is 10:22 a.m. This interview is being conducted at the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office. Also present are DOJ/OIG Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge, FY | OS and via phone is DOJ/OIG Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge, [I a. This interview will be recorded by me, Special Agent | a. Could everyone please identify themselves for the record and spell your last name. To start again, I am EFTA00142253

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LIMITED ioe) w io ioe) 20 No Wa OFFICIAL USE 4 MR. a : Assistant Special Agent-in- This is an official DOJ investigation of inmate nts surrounding the | Epstein, and you voluntarily provide answers to our qi tions. agree to a voluntary interview with form United “You are Information on a Voluntary EFTA00142254

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the OIG. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer any questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer any questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary proceedings or both.” The waiver states, “I understand the warnings and assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.” This is the same form we’ve provided you before. MR. I. a: Yes. MR. I. a : Please review it. If you understand, on the right side, please print your name and sign your name. If you understand and agree -- EFTA00142255

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 6 N Fs understand the WwW 5 _—= uw Hh 2) 4 3 m7 m7 WM: «Ss tswill sign and print. 7 7 co wo ive) 5 MR. i. a: Before starting the 16 interview, I would like to place you under oath. Mr. a. can you please raise your co right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and 9 nothing but the truth during this interview? 22 your right hand down. Please let me know if EFTA00142256

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 7 1 MR. i. a: Thank you. Thank you for 2 taking the time to meet with us today. have = ies) a few follow-up questions. 4 MR. §. EE: «0 n-hm.. MR. i. a : You met with us twice before. 7 MR. i. a : Yes. w Oo 8 MR. i. a: And it’s based on our 9 interview, from prior, we had a few follow-up 10 questions in regards to that, and a few new 11 questions for you, too. 2 wR. §. BB: 0 okay. 3 MR. i. a : Before we begin, what is 4 your current employment status with the BOP? 15 MR. i. a : I’m an electronics 16 technician at MDC Brooklyn, Com Tech. Same position I was in MCC. 8 MR. i. a : And this is your permanent 9 position now? 20 MR. §. HB: Ssves. 21 MR. i. a : And you transferred over? 22 MR. i. a: Yes, when they closed it 23 down. 24 MR. i. a: Okay. So, let’s take a 25 step back. In August 2019, what was your EFTA00142257

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 8 ~] wo 10 11 typical work schedule? MR. I. a: My schedule was 6:00 to 2:00 p.m. MR. 9]. BJ: 6:00 to 2:00 p.m. Is that Monday through Friday? MR. I. a: Monday through Friday. During that time, I think I was working overtime because we started the camera project. MR. i. a : The camera project is? MR. I. a: Before all this got started, we were upgrading the cameras in the mcc. So, my schedule changed, and I was working, like, ten or 12 hours a day during this time. MR. i. a : So, Monday through Friday, normal schedule would be 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.? ve. §. BB: ves. MR. I. a: So, that would be about eight hours. ve. §. BB: ssves. MR. I. a: So. if you’re working ten to 12, that means you were working to, what, about 4:00 p.m., 6:00 p.m.? wR. §. BB: yes. EFTA00142258

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 9 10 11 12 13 14 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. I. a: Okay. And what about on the weekends? MR. i. a : I was working a little bit of overtime there during that time, too. MR. I. a : Okay. And is that something you needed prior approval for, or -? MR. I. a : Yes. Well, they knew what was going on, so I got pretty much prior approval. If I showed up, I showed up. If it didn’t, they didn’t really -. Because the project was going on. I have a life, too. I can’t just be working at the prison all the time, so they understood if I didn’t show up or didn’t come in for overtime. Because my regular schedule is Monday through Friday, 6:00 to 2:00. MR. I. a: Okay. And as needed, you would come in, too? MR. §. BB: ves. MR. 9. HB: «=o asac FB, did you have anything in regards to his schedule? MR. a: I did not. Thanks. MR. I. a: No problem. I’m going to move on. In our previous interview, you mentioned EFTA00142259

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 1 you had recalled having a conversation with SIS 2 Lieutenant a. You remember her, right? 4 MR. i. a: Thursday, August 8th, you had a conversation with her about cameras not ies) w oO working inside the MCC. Do you recall that? 7 MR. i. a : Thursday or Friday. . i. a: Thursday, August 8th. 10 MR. i. a: You don’t recall having a 11 conversation with her? 2 MR. i. a: The only time they spoke co i wo F 3 about it was Friday, about the cameras, that I 4 remember. 15 MR. i. a : So, you recall on Friday. 16 Who did you have a conversation with? 7 MR. i. a: Lieutenant Fs and 8 that’s when I spoke to a. She’s the 9 Associate Warden. That’s when they told me 20 that the cameras were down, on that Friday. On that Friday? Yes. No N 5 Le | So, just to clarify a 24 little bit. So, Lieutenant | wasn’t 25 working on Friday, August 9th. They were EFTA00142260

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 11 1 actually working -- 2 MR. §. EJ: 9 Mn-hrn. 3 MR. i. a : -- she was off on August 4 9th 5 MR. i. a : August 9th. 6 MR. i. a: Friday, August 9th. She 7 was working on Thursday, August 8th. 8 MR. 9]. J: 9 Yeah. 9 MR. i. a : According to the schedule, 10 she was working Thursday, August 8th, and the 11 conversation that she told us about happened on 2 - she recalls - that it happened on Thursday, 3 August 8th, Associate Warden || also stated 4 it happened on Thursday, August 8th. 15 MR. i. a : Oh, so it must have been 16 Thursday. 7 MR i. a: Okay. 8 MR. i. a : I’m not too sure because 9 everything was jumbled in. 20 MR. 9. BM: «Okay. And do you recall 21 what the issue was with the cameras? 22 MR. i. a: They said they wasn’t 23 recording. 24 MR. i. a: Was that the only issue 25 you remember? Was there anything else with the EFTA00142261

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 12 10 11 12 13 14 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 camera? MR. I. a: They couldn’t pull video for whatever reason. They couldn’t extract video. They were looking for video for something and they couldn’t find it. MR. I. a: So, it wasn’t recording, and they couldn’t pull any video? MR. §. BJ: ves. MR. i. a : Do you remember if there were any cameras -? So, when they were trying to pull video, where were they trying to pull video from? MR. I. a : I have no idea. I don’t really remember what they were trying to pull video from, or why. MR. I. a: Which office were you guys in? MR. i. a : Probably on the second floor by the - maybe the SIS Office, or it was in the Video Room. MR. i. a: All by the -. What’s the difference? MR. I. a: The Video Room is where they have the monitors and the SIS Office is right down the hallway, where the SIS Office EFTA00142262

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 13 uw ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 21 22 would be. MR. I. a: Okay. And do you remember standing there trying to help them pull video? MR. I. a : Yes. MR. I. a : And when you were trying to pull video, do you remember looking up at the screens and seeing any blank screens? MR. fj. HJ: 9s In the SIS Shop? MR. i. a : In the SIS Shop, or on the monitors. There’s a lot of monitors. MR. 9]. BJ: 90h, the SIS, that was, that has been in and out forever. That was not really working properly even when I got there. There’s been issues. There was issues with that. MR. I. a: Can you explain that a little further? MR. i. a : Okay. So, was it in the Video Room or the SIS Shop? MR. jf. HB: 9s I’m not sure where this happened, so based on recollection, if you can tell me, if you recall where this happened? MR. I. a: If I was looking at multiple monitors, it probably was in the Video Room. That’s where they have -. The live feed EFTA00142263

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 14 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 goes to the video matrix, and then it’s split, and it goes to all the other cameras. MR. I. a : So, you’re saying if it’s in the SIS Shop, and there was issues in the SIS Shop? MR. i. a: No, if it was in the SIS Shop, that’s the network. They’re on the computer and they’re trying to pull video. If they’re in the Video Room, it’s the live feed that’s going to the cameras. MR. I. a : Okay. MR. i. a : And it’s inputted on the screen. It’s split going to the recorder, and it’s split on the output going to the actual screens. Yeah. MR. I. a: So, which ones had issues where you couldn’t see anything? MR. i. a : I don’t know. Because it was a lot of stuff not working at that time. I can’t really -. MR. i. a: Do you remember any screens being black, like blanked out with X’s on them, at that point? MR. I. a: I don’t know. It was - that room was always a mess when I got there, EFTA00142264

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 as far as stuff not working or working. MR. I. a: But you don’t remember them, Lieutenant | or a. mentioning, hey, listen these screens are blank. There’s X’s on them, they’re not working. You just mentioned that - just on topic - you just mentioned that there were always issues. MR. I. a: Yes, there were always issues. Sometimes, I would go in there and stuff was working. Sometimes, I’d go in there, stuff was not working. Exactly what was working or not working, I’m not too sure of. MR. I. a : So, which one was it? Just to clarify. I missed that. Which one was it that wasn’t working -- MR. i. a: So, what -. MR. i. a: -- the SIS or the Video Room? MR. I. a: It would be the Video Room. It wouldn’t be in SIS, because -. Okay, the Video Room is the live feed coming from the analog matrix onto the actual screens. Some of the cables got disconnected because there was issues. And then SIS, that would be all of the cameras in the institution. They would be EFTA00142265

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 fen) 1 coming from the network. They’d be trying to pull video from the actual recorders. MR. i. a : So that’s where basically 4 you can log in? MR. i. a : You log in and you try to pull video. 7 MR. i. a : Okay. So, you can - the ity to log in -- ies) w oO Les] w H ie) U Za is) we] 7 fw oF rt S i) pw o B c wo F = Yes, pull video. 10 MR. i. a: -- and review video. 11 MR. 9. EB: ves. 2 MR | a: So, but the other part, 3 the video monitoring -- 4 MR i. a: That’s just live -- 15 mR. jf. BJ: 9 -- had to be live wired. 16 MR i. a: -- that’s just live wire, 7 yeah. That’s everything coming in. 8 MR. i. a : And if the live wires were 9 removed by any chance, would that be a black 20 screen? 21 MR. i. a : Yeah, it would be a black 22 screen, yes. 23 MR. i. a: So ,is it possible this 24 conversation might have taken place with 25 Lieutenant FY inside the Video Monitor EFTA00142266

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Room? If she recalls that there was -- MR. I. a: Yeah, if there were screens -- MR. I. a : -- screens that -. MR. I. a : -- that’s in the Video Room, yes. MR. I. a : Black screens, okay. So, do you recall her mentioning on August 8th - by any chance, do you recall? I know it’s been a couple years -- MR. I. a : Hmm. MR. I. a : -- it’s hard to remember, but do you recall her mentioning anything about, hey, there’s blank screens, access that needs to be fixed? MR. i. a: I was working on that since I got there. I was still working on that, until I was leaving, so -. It was an ongoing issue I knew about. But the main thing was, even if the screens were blank, that everything would be recorded, going to the recorders. Like, the live view in the Video Room, that’s extra. But if you could pull video from the recorders, that’s the main thing I was worried about. I wasn’t really worried EFTA00142267

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 18 1 about the live view. 2 MR. §. Ea: k (e) fu Y- 3 MR. i. a : That’s something I would 4 have to worry about later. But the main thing 5 was to make sure the cameras are recording in 6 the institution. 7 MR. i. a : Okay. And so, this 8 happened, well based on the fact that this 9 happened on Thursday, August 8th, do you recall 10 coming in August 9th fixing anything? On 11 August 9th? 2 MR. i. a : I’m pretty sure I did. I 3 must have followed up. Because I was going to 4 come back Saturday to do something, so I know 15 on Friday, that’s when I went back to the room. 16 MR. i. a: Okay. I’m going to show you a memo. There’s a memo dated August 10th, 8 from | a. SIS Lieutenant. That would be 20 MR. §. HB: = Yeah. 21 MR. i. a : To a. Captain. 22 MR. §. EE: 0 n-hm.. 23 MR. i. a: Subject was “NiceVision 24 Camera S stem.” And for the record, I’m going 25 to read it, and then I’1l show it to you. EFTA00142268

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. I. a : Okay. MR. I. a: “On August 8, 2019, at approximately 3:45 p.m., while reviewing the Nice Camera System, I attempted to recover video footage from the Unit 5 South Housing Unit. At this time, I was unable to recover any previous recordings from the camera, this prompting me to review all of the cameras. None of the cameras on the system were able to record. Therefore, I called the communication technician I. | via radio.” That would be you, right? MR. I. a : Yes. MR. 9. HB: Okay. =“At approximately 4:00 p.m., | responded to the third floor Monitoring Room to check the cameras and notified me that the cameras were not recording and there was no way to retrieve any video. | stated he fixed the camera system on Friday, August 9, 2019, when he arrived to work.” So, it looks like the memo was written on August 10th and this is in regards to a conversation she had with you on August 8, 2019, and at the end, she stated that you told EFTA00142269

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 1 her on August 9th, you told her on August 10th 2 that, when you came into work on August 9th, 3 you fixed the camera issue. Do you recall 4 that? 5 MR. i. a : No. (Indiscernible 6 *00:12:58) 7 So, I was working after 3:45. So, I was 8 on overtime that day she called me? 9 MR. i. | It might have been. 10 MR. i. a: Because I leave at 2:00. 11 MR. | a: So, you - 2 MR. a : You want to just read ive) through t h i MR. w 16 yourself. 7 MR. a : -- and just -. 8 MR. i. a : “At approximately 3:45 9 p.m. on the Nice I attempted to recover 20 -. At the time I was -.” 21 MR. i. a : There might be some 22 grammatical -. 23 MR. i. a: Yeah, that doesn’t really 24 - 25 MR. a : Does that seem accurate, to EFTA00142270

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 21 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 your recollection? MR. §. BE: No. MR. I. a : So, you don’t recall fixing anything? MR. I. a : I might have been looking at something, but I have to make sure that it’s fixed, like, before I say, hey, you can pull video and I have to pull video myself. MR. i. a : But she said there’s a possibility that, when you came in on the 9th, you might have fixed the issues with the blank screens. MR. I. a : Okay. MR. fj. HBB: «And then, you might have came back in on August 10th, which would be that Saturday, to fix the recording issue. Do you think that might be accurate? MR. i. a : No. That doesn’t really make any sense to me, either. MR. I. a : Okay. Do you recall if - I remember we spoke about this before, I don't know if your memory hasn’t recollected any of it - but about you not being able to access the SIS Shop because no one was in the SIS Shop. MR. I. aa : Yeah, and I don’t have the EFTA00142271

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 22 1 key to get in the room. 2 MR. i. a: Okay. ies) MR. i. a : I didn’t have access to 4 get in the room. 5 MR. i. a : Because no one was there 6 in the SIS Shop 7 MR. i. a : Yes, nobody was -. Yes. And normally, there would Les] Fs) = 9 be somebody monitoring the phones, right? 10 MR. i. a: Yes, there should be a 11 phone monitor, if somebody was there, unless 2 they got pulled to work a different post. 3 mR. §f. BB: 9 Yeah. 4 MR. i. a: But they’re supposed to be —- that’s supposed to be a post. 16 MR. i. a: And that Friday, nobody w was there? On August 9th, I think they had 8 left early or something to that effect -- 9 MR. §. EJ: 9 Mn-prn. 20 MR. 9. HM: 9 -- and then, you couldn’t 21 get in. Do you recall - Lieutenant | 22 mentioned to us that Captain | had the 23 ability to get you into the room - do you know 24 if Captain , had his own set of keys for _ hat 5 25 that room? EFTA00142272

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ho ios) A Yes, he did. i. a: 2 MR. i. a: Separate from? i. a: 3 MR Yeah. The Captain I 4 think, or the SIS could get in that room. I’m 5 not too sure a: I know SIS -. Lieutenant set of key a ) K oO = 5 wo Yeah, could get in with a Ks] a o K oO wu ay. 11 MR -- but I think the Captain 2 had the key to let me in the room. I’m not too 3 sure. Honestly 4 MR. a : You're not certain? a : I’m not certain. Lieutenant’ f f Co 5 ~ == keys are kept behind some kind of box in the co control room. 9 MR. i. a: Yeah, everything is kept 20 behind glass and the technician’s, their 21 are kept behind gle - And whoever is in the 22 Video Room, it’s behind glass. 23 MR. i. a: Okay. But does the Captain have his own set of ho No w EFTA00142273

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 24 ~] wo 10 11 MR. i. a: That’s not behind glass? MR. i. a: No. I don’t know how they do the Captain’s. I know the SIS Shop, that was the main key and if I tried to get in, it was behind glass, to get in the room. MR. i. a: Do you recall approaching Captain a. asking him for access to that room on August 9th? MR. i. a : I don’t remember. MR. i. a: Okay. Because I know, based on Captain a. Captain Y was in the facility until about 8:00 p.m. on that Friday night, August 9th? He worked until about 8:00 p.m. MR. i. a : Hmm. I didn’t know that. MR. i. a: So, but you don’t recall ever seeing him, or talking to him, or asking for access to that room to fix the camera MR. i. a: No. I don’t remember. Maybe I did, maybe I didn’t. I don’t - that’s ? 7] -. I don’t really - MR. i. a: Okay. But if needed, you could have asked Captain a. he could have let you in? MR. 9]. BBB: 9 #e would have locked the - EFTA00142274

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE 25 if he had the key tf Y¥ anything on that topic? MR. a: Yeah, in regard to the memo. Mr. a. I know that time on August 8th, that seems way off based on what you had told out is that last line. fixed the camera system when he arrived to work.” MR. §. EJ: 9 Mn-hon. MR. i. a : So, that’s the main thing ust wanted to confirm. MR. 9]. BJ: 91 don’t think I did that. MR. aa: Yeah, because the last time, I know our guys explored pretty in depth what happened on August 9th. ve. §. ER: 0 n-hm. MR. a: That was that Friday where it sounds like -- MR. i. a: Yes. MR. aa: -- you got the hard drives to EFTA00142275

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] ive) i) 7 go repair the thing. and just couldn’t get in because no one was there, or the phone monitor was leaving. So, we were surprised to see that there was a statement that you may have told someone that you had repaired it on August 9th. So, we just wanted to confirm whether or not you had told someone, specifically Lieutenant a. that you had repaired that system on MR. I. a: I don’t believe so, no. Because I was still working on it so -- MR. a: Okay. MR. I. a : -- I couldn’t do it. MR. a: Very good. Thank you, sir, and that is all I have on that a. thanks. MR. I. a: Thank you. Just as normal, can you initial and date it? You’re not attesting to the accuracy, it’s just a document that we showed you. MR. i. a: Today’s the 7th. MR. a : It’s that you reviewed it. EFTA00142276

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 1 MR. i. a: We can move on to the next WwW 5 = Okay. 4 MR. i. a: You mentioned, previously and even now, that there was a camera upgrade w 6 going on during that time. 8 MR. i. a: Do you recall if there was 9 a contract in place for these upgrades? 10 MR. i. a: Yeah, it was supposed to 11 be NiceVision, but we just ended up doing 2 pretty much everything inhouse because it was 3 taking too long. 4 MR. i. a: Okay. I’m going to show 5 you a contract. 7 MR. i. a: Do you recognize that contract? 9 MR. i. a: Yes. This looks like all co 20 the stuff we put in for to upgrade the camera 21 system No N Fs = Just so -. Give me one No 5 m= 5 2 fu 2 No w bd Just for the record, I’m EFTA00142277

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 28 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 going to read this out because it’s -- MR. I. a: It’s very (Indiscernible *00:18:26). MR. I. a : This states the - the contract states up top - it says, MCC New York. And the contract number is GS-O7F-, as in Frank, 0322T, as in Tom. The award effective date is 9/21/2018. And the order number is 15B-, as in boy, NYM-, as in Mary, 18F-, as in Frank, T-, as in Tom, P-, as in Peter, 120150. And the requisition number is 1064-18. Now, that’s the document you were reviewing, and you believe that is the camera upgrade? MR. i. a : The initial, probably the initial one, yes. MR. i. a: When you say initial? Were there changes? MR. I. a: Yeah, because they had a contract. This was the original contract, as far as upgrade goes, and then, like a year later, there was another bid that we put in for more upgrades. MR. i. a: Okay. MR. I. aa : But this was the original. EFTA00142278

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 29 w ~] wo 10 11 MR. I. a: And this is dated when again? MR. i. a : 2018. (Indiscernible *00:19:31). Oh, 9/21/2018. MR. I. a : 2018. Were you involved in this? wR. §. BJ: yes. MR. I. a: Who was the point of contact for this? MR. I. a: Steve Smith. He’s, like, the head of Nice. And then, but the main person I would talk to was Justin Houston, but Steve Smith is the brains behind it. I really wouldn’t talk to Steve because he was, like, overseeing it. The main person I would talk to was Justin Houston. MR. I. a: Justin Houston. Okay. MR. i. a : And I called him asking him every question, because I never did fiber before, or network camera systems, so. MR. i. a: All right, so Justin Houston is the SigNet point of contact then? MR. §. BJ: ves. MR. i. a: Okay. Who was the point of contact for BOP then, at the MCC? Who was EFTA00142279

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LIMITED ies) w co ioe) co OFFICIAL USE Anybody. and all 31 And he never spoke with -- spoke with SigNet kind of like a MR. §j. EE: -hat communicated with SigNet? with EFTA00142281

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE wo i) 1 there? 2 MR. i. a: I don’t know. Honestly, I 3 don’t. It’s around this time, like, August or 4 July of 2019. 5 MR. i. a : Okay. Can you flip to 6 page four of that? 7 MR. i. a : Yes. 8 MR. i. a: And you mentioned it 9 before, right? What was the name of the 10 recording was ordered for the MCC? 11 The Nice -- Ww 5 = -- the Nice, NiceVision? 4 MR. i. a: Yeah, NiceVision. Yes. And that’s the type of F wi I = f oO n he 7) ct o 3 ct ion wu ct = fu 7) rdered, right? oo Fs = oO fan wu Co Oo i2) le 2) oc 6 o ie) wu be I i] 5 jen oO this was placed in September of 2018. 21 MR. i. a : Do you recall when all the 22 NiceVision, all that stuff in that order was 23 delivered to the MCC? 24 MR. i. a: It was coming in piece-by- 25 piece. EFTA00142282

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 34 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 the hard drives would come in. That’s the line item two would come in. The decoders would come in. So, that’s line item five. AMS would come in, line item six. Line item seven would come in. Oh not - yeah. Line item seven would come in. Cameras never came in. Line item ten would come in. And the wall mount never came in, and a media cabinet. So, that line item 14, yeah. MR. I. a: So, they call came in around when do you think? MR. i. a : I’m not too sure. MR. I. a : You think soon after the order was placed, or -? MR. i. a : It was a little while because there was stuff on backorder, so it wasn’t, like, right away. MR. 9. BM: «so, was it in 2018, '19? MR. I. a: Probably in the early part of 2019. MR. i. a: Early part of 2019? MR. I. a : Yeah. MR. I. a: All right. I’m going to show you an email. This email - I’m going to go back - it looks like it’s an email from you EFTA00142284

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 35 oO io ioe) oO oo dated It’s dated MR. i. a : Mm-hmm. MR. | | | following up on the order for the outside PTC cameras expected date of delivery. ike Justin 2019, right? And he was delivered. Most of it o 11/ 018. tracking numbers are below.” So, it looks like this is in 2019. EFTA00142285

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE Ww C 5 = Like, he responded back 2 with tracking numbers for 2018. 2018 WwW 5 = ies] oO wu K your memory at all about when those -? Does that help recollect w 6 MR. . a: I don’t remember when all f -. It was a lot of stuff, and I was Ph this stu 8 trying to get space for it, so I’m not -. If 9 that’s when they said it came in, that’s 10 probably when it came in. 11 MR. a : Does that email look familiar? MR. i. a : Yes. This email loo! 4 familiar. communication between you and Justin, and it 7 looks like a. -- MR. i. a : Yes. 9 MR. i. a: -- and Hodge? 20 MR. 9. HM: 9 Yeah, later on because, 21 when was this? Yes. 22 MR. fj. HB: 9 wWho’s Hodge? 23 MR. i. a: He’s the new contact. He N ive) oO co 24 came in after the Epstein thing. 25 MR. i. a : Okay. And what’s the EFTA00142286

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 37 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 communication about the PTC cameras? MR. I. a: Oh, those are outside cameras. MR. I. a : Okay. MR. I. a : Those didn’t really have nothing to do with the recorders or anything. Those are, like, secondary. They had nothing to do with the recording. Again, the recorders and stuff. MR. I. a: But you think - when he says that’s in 2018 - you think those are the NiceVision recorders and the decoders and all that mentioned over here? MR. §. HB: ves. MR. i. a : You think those were delivered - based on Houston’s email - it was delivered in the -. MR. i. a : In the end of November, during the holidays, so I probably didn’t get it until maybe January, the first week of January. MR. I. a : Okay. Where do you think these items were stored? Once they got delivered? MR. I. aa : They were - and I mean EFTA00142287

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ~] wo 10 11 lo o some of it got misplaced because nobody knew what it was, so it went to Building Four, the warehouse. MR. 9]. BJ: «= where’s that? MR. i. a : That’s in Brooklyn. It’s right next to Steiner Studios. MR. i. a : This is the Brooklyn Navy Yard? MR. i. a : Yeah, Brooklyn Navy Yard, MR. i. a: What about the other You said some went over. MR. i. a : I think there was a time, Like, maybe this was the other order that the decoders got sent over there. Something got sent over there, it was sent, and nobody knew what it was, and so they just sent it to Building Four. MR. i. a: Okay. And who received these orders, do you know? MR. i. a : The warehouse. MR. i. a: The warehouse? MR. §. BJ: ves. MR. i. a: It was shipped to the MCC? wR. §. BB: yes. EFTA00142288

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 40 1 that we get stuff in, and there was part of the 2 Lock Shop. So, if I had storage, or didn’t 3 have space for it, I would ask the Lock Shop, 4 hey, can I put this in your room because I 5 don’t have space. 6 MR. I. a: And it’s locked up, it’s 7 secured? 8 MR. I. a: Yes, secured. Yeah. 9 They’ re the only ones with a key. Nobody else 10 could get in there. 11 MR. I. a : So, we mentioned 12 everything that’s on there, pretty much all the 13 NiceVision equipment, except for the cameras. 14 MR. §. HE: am. 15 MR. i. a : What happened to the 16 cameras? 17 MR. I. a: That’s what happened. I 18 think the cameras went to Building Four. I was 19 looking for it, and that’s what ended up at 20 Building Four and maybe some decoders. 21 MR. i. a: So, you think all, but 22 that’s - you mentioned right now that all the 23 NiceVision equipment ended up there. 24 MR. I. a: Hmm. 25 MR. I. aa : So, you think the cameras EFTA00142290

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 41 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 also got shipped? MR. I. a: Yes. Well, they might have got shipped, but nobody told me. Whenever they came in, they came in. I’m not too sure. MR. I. a : You’re not sure what happened to the cameras? MR. I. a : Yeah. MR. I. a: Do you believe the cameras got shipped or no? MR. I. a: Yeah, they got shipped, but they ended up going to Building Four. Whenever they came in because I remember looking for them and that was one of the things, I had to figure out what happened to the actual - because we were going to network cameras - so I had to figure out where they were at. And they weren’t at the rear gate. MR. I. a : Okay. When do you recall looking for them? MR. I. a : I don’t really remember. This is probably around the same time I probably sent this email. I was trying to figure out where everything was at. MR. i. a: The cameras. So, do you think the cameras went to Building Eight -- EFTA00142291

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 43 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. I. a : Yes, after Epstein. MR. I. a: Do you know why there was such a big delay and why MR. I. a : Because, like, when you order cameras, if you’re going to order, like, 300 cameras there’s usually a backlog of six months or eight months. It’s not going to be something you’re going to get right away from a vendor. MR. I. a: Was there any other reason why the cameras were not shipped? MR. I. a : Oh, and there may be a signature or something. Because I wasn’t in charge, so I couldn’t really sign for anything. That was a part of the problem. So, when stuff was getting ordered. MR. I. a: Was there ever communication between MCC, were you able to recall any communication between MCC or yourself and SigNet, asking SigNet not to ship the cameras? MR. I. a : No. I would never tell them not to ship the cameras. No. MR. i. a: So, we're going to show you an email. This email is from you dated EFTA00142293

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LIMITED w ~] wo 10 11 OFFICIAL USE 45 had us wait to order the cameras. MR. §. HJ: aon. MR. I. a : “The cameras you received are part of the replacement model.” MR. I. a: “My recommendation, with the rush to get all this installed, would be to open a magic ticket and request it be added to the approved list. MR. |. HE: umn. MR. I. a: The biggest issue we have right now is that 90 percent of the cameras on the approved list are EOL.” Take a look at this and let me know if you recognize that email. MR. I. a: Yes, I remember this email, yes MR. I. a: But I’m not in charge of saying you can’t send cameras, so. MR. i. a: But that says you - the statement up top from Justin is - it clearly states that you told him to hold off on ordering and sending the cameras. MR. I. a : Hold on. No, we’re trying EFTA00142295

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 46 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to figure -. Not hold off, but we have to make sure that - anything we install on the BOP network - we have to make sure that it’s approved on the list as far as for (Indiscernible *00:31:29) and everything else. We can’t just order anything and get it installed. So, if the original part number was for these cameras, they would have to ship these cameras. And if the part number changed before they send it to us, they have to notify if the part number changed, then we have to get it approved through Computer Services before we install them. We can’t just install anything on the network. MR. I. a : Okay. Just to give you an understanding. We spoke with Justin Houston -- MR. I. a : Mm-hmm. MR. I. a: -- and one of the things that Justin Houston told us is they send you all that stuff, and in his communication with you, you advised him not to ship the cameras -—- MR. i. a: Cameras. MR. I. a: -- because there’s no where to house the cameras. EFTA00142296

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 47 Yeah, that was the biggest WwW 5 = So, there’s no way to 4 house the cameras, so you told him not to ship 5 the cameras, hold off on shipping the cameras 6 until you get the okay for shipping the n Cameras, until there’s space to do it. 8 MR. §. EJ: 9 Mn-hrn. Until you guys wo F = i=) 2 I 3 4 cameras -- t oO a Lee) 5 wo a3 J a 1. EnmRneRHEh 4 a wu rt U wy I Oo cr ie) oy a ny] 3 0) Kh i] 7) 21 lot of space 22 MR. §f- Yes 23 MR i. So.. this - I mean, I’m nN 5 fs) 4 mn wu = Pa} 5 Q rt ea o tal o s anything wrong with it, EFTA00142297

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 48 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. I. a : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. MR. I. a: Right, hey, there’s nowhere to house it. MR. I. a : Mm-hmm. MR. I. a : If that is an issue, you can tell us. Hey, we had nowhere to house it. MR. I. a : Yes. MR. I. a: But if that’s a communication between both you guys, just be up front and say, hey, no, I told him to hold off on it. MR. I. aaa: No. The hold off was, this - the cameras have to be approved on a (Indiscernible *00:32:38) list. And the problem was the cameras that I had requested, BOP went and changed, whoever in Central Office - the original proposal was for access cameras and the problem was these cameras were not going to work on the NiceVision. When you added them to the software app. I make sure every time we got something that it’s going to work, because I know when you order a big bulk like that, you can’t just send it back. You can’t say, hey, I don’t have the right stuff, because it’s not going to work. And that’s EFTA00142298

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 49 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 part of the problem now. Because these Wycon cameras, 300 of them, I don’t know if they’re at MCC now, but when I was leaving MCC, they were never installed because the next year the Pogo cameras got installed because the Wycon cameras never really worked with the NiceVision. That’s why I was telling everybody to hold off. Because I knew it was going to be a problem with the network. MR. I. a: Okay. So that’s what clarifies. MR. I. aaa: Yes. MR. I. a : So, when this order was placed, and this bulk order was placed, you’re saying there was an issue with the cameras? MR. I. a : Yes, yes. Because they have to have a certain plug-in to work on the system, and we have to make sure, hey these are the cameras we’re going to order, and these are the ones that are going to get installed. BOP, somebody changed the part number and I’m, like, hold off on it, we’ve got to make sure these cameras are on our approved list, because they have to sign off on it. If it’s not on the approved list, you can’t have these cameras in EFTA00142299

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LIMITED ies) w co ive) oO co OFFICIAL USE 50 the institution. MR. i. Okay MR. i. Because it’s just a big So, that’s why -- (Indiscernible 5 = MR. is) + Kh is) =] | | him to hold MR. MR. -- shipping it? 3 -- shipping it, yes. actual -- MR. §. HE: 0 Mn-hm. wR. 9. BR: 9 -- part number? R. §. BBM: Yes. But this, I know talking about this, but this really has a you’r o nothing to do with -. MR | | So, that’s back in - when them, when did you initially figure out the fact there was an i ie with the parts that were ordered? EFTA00142300

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 52 1 would have to send a trouble ticket to get it 2 approved; these cameras approved on the list. 3 MR. i. a : So, you think Computer 4 Services -- 5 MR. §. EJ: 9 Mn-hrn. 7 ve. §. BE: 0 r-mn 8 MR. i. a: And you think you spoke to 9 him and told him -? 10 MR. i. a: Because you have to send 11 in a trouble ticket, like this says, to make 2 sure it’s approved on the list before it gets 3 ordered. 4 MR. i. a: So, he would have to 15 create a trouble ticket -. 16 MR. i. a: Ticket to get this 7 approved, yes. 8 MR. i. a : And do you remember 9 creating a ticket at all? 20 MR. 9. HB: 9s l’m pretty sure, if it 21 says I spoke to a. then he yeah -. Yeah 22 |g yeah, he was aware of it. The Wycon 23 cameras. Because the part number changed. 24 MR. i. a: But it basically sounds 25 like, based on what he said, the part number EFTA00142302

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE wo ios) 1 changed because it was -. 2 MR. i. a: Everything waited long. Because I can’t -- 4 MR. i. a: -- (Indiscernible rt fe) Oo ies) w * c = Ww uw ie) No x wu oS Bp ct Oo z a = ] ] Me o OT . fw 5 o lal Q w t=] rt ifs] sign 7 off on it. That’s why | was on the email 8 because he’s the one that has to sign off on 9 cameras I can’t sign off on anything. I can 10 do my recommendations, but I can’t sign off and 11 get anything shipped to the institution. 2 MR. i. a: But that’s different from 3 what you said about the part number not 4 matching up to what you wanted -- 16 MR. i. a: -- to him stating that, 7 hey, no -- 8 MR. i. a : You waited too long, yes. 9 MR. i. a: -- you waited too long. 20 MR. §. HB: Yes 21 MR. i. a : That’s two different 22 things. 23 MR. i. a: That’s two different 24 things, yes. 25 MR. i. a : So, what - based on this, EFTA00142303

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 like, according to the contract - what was the cameras that you guys ordered? MR. i. a : 350, (Indiscernible *00:35:49) licenses. MR. I. a : No, I think it was split up. I think it was 75 and -. MR. I. a : Oh. (Indiscernible *00:35:57). Oh, 10. Yes, this part number right here. MR. I. a: And you -. What -? Can you read it out so we can -. MR. i. a : 1QM62WR-B9. One Quebec- Mike-6-2-Whisky-Romero - Bravo-9. MR. J. HBB: «9s And there’s another one, too, right? Because that’s only one set of cameras. MR. I. a: That’s the pointer cameras. That really didn’t have anything to do with it. These are the dome cameras. MR. 9. HM: «So, there was nothing wrong with the dome cameras? MR. I. a : They never really worked even when they changed the part number, this never worked on the system. We never even installed these cameras. EFTA00142304

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 55 w ~] MR. I. a: So, the dome cameras never got installed? MR. i. a : We had them on hand when they came in eventually, but we have to order - the next year, those are the cameras we installed. I installed a few of these cameras and I had issues, so we had to go to Pelco from the order from the next year. MR. i. a : So, no matter what, you had issues, but do you recall telling Justin - or you said, right now, that you told Justin to hold off because there was issues with the cameras. MR. 9]. BJ: 9 (indiscernible *00:36:55). MR. i. a : You recognized an issue right off the back. MR. I. a: And it has to get approved on the (Indiscernible *00:36:57) list. It was two different issues, but -. MR. 9. HB: «okay. So initially, you recognized there was an issue and you told | | MR. §. EH: 0 Mn-hm.. MR. i. a: -- || at Computer Services. EFTA00142305

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 56 1 MR. i. a: Through Computer Services. 2 MR. i. a: And you guys created a ticket, -- MR. i. a: -- and back in October, 6 November 2018? ‘'18, right, because -. ies) w co a I’m talking back then. Oh, back here? oO a Bee Back here, when the WwW ' 5 Pp. rt pb. wu b ie) RK Q i) K | 4 MR. i. a: Yes, I told him that there 5 But I can’t really - 16 I mean I can tell them, hey, hold off, but 7 they’ re going to ship whatever they’re going to ie] 3) b 0 His statement to us was, EFTA00142306

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 60 1 back and forth about the cameras, hey, I don’t 2 think these cameras are going to work. They 3 already shipped that stuff for whatever reason. 4 When it came to the cameras and I was, like, I 5 don’t think this is going to work, and they 6 actually needed another signature, and I 7 couldn’t sign for it. I couldn't say, hey, 8 change the part number. 9 MR. i. a : Wait a minute, say that 10 again? Explain that slowly. 11 MR. i. a: Okay. So, I knew 2 initially that the cameras weren’t going to 3 work on the system. Because I had spoke with 4 Justin. And then, || has to sign off on it. 15 And then I spoke to -- 16 MR. fj. BJ: «This is 2018 or '19? 7 vR. §. BR: 919 8 MR. i. a : No, no. lLet’s go - 20 MR. 9. HB: 9 Forget about /19. 21 ve. §. BR: 19 22 MR. | a: Let’s speak about -- 23 ve. §. BJ: 18 24 MR. | a: -- ‘18 only. 25 MR. | a : Only ‘18 Yes I just EFTA00142310

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 61 1 knew it was a problem, so I probably told them, 2 hey, hold off on shipping the actual cameras. 3 MR. i. a : Okay. So -. 4 MR. i. a: Until we figure out, like, 5 where we’re going to house it, and what’s going 6 to go on with the cameras. 7 MR. i. a : Okay. So that’s, you held And the next communication, the next time co 1°) Fh Fh wo you told him -- MR. 9. EB: «ship it. 11 MR. i. a: -- ship the cameras would 2 be after -- i=) Ww 5 = -- Jeffrey Epstein’s wi Q oO fu + am t 10 BOB zm Okay. That’s what we Les] a] Oo oO oy © Q. ite] rs] = 20 MR. §f- That’s it. Everything 21 else that happened afterwards makes no 22 difference, but -. 23 MR. i. a: Difference. Yh. 24 MR. i. a: All right, so that was - 25 everyone held off and it only because EFTA00142311

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 64 ~] wo 10 11 MR. i. a: But none of that, like, the CS, || a. none of that was addressed up until -- MR. 9]. BJ: 9s until this. MR. J: -- "19. wR. §. BBB: Ssves. MR. 9. BBB: 9 the end of '19? MR. i. a: Yes, when the actual, they were going to get installed. We had to make sure that everything was going to work on the network. MR. aa: Yeah, I’11l ask one question now, and then I’1l1 let you ask a couple of more, looking at your question list. Once you had the space and they had the ct a] right cameras in October 2018, were you guys at the institution in a position to install those right away, anyway? MR. §. HB: No. No. MR. QJ: okay. All right. MR. i. a: It took - even after that happened - it took TDY help about a year anda half pulling fiber through the whole building, upgrading the infrastructure before we could EFTA00142314

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 66 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 and a. They came from Texas. And we pretty much fired up one unit to make sure, hey, this is how we’re going to - because we have to pipe all that in for the cameras. You have to put a conduit in. You can’t have the wires exposed, into each camera. And where are you going to actually set the cameras up. So, that took, like about a month for us to do that -. The first unit took like a month. MR. I. a: And how many housing units are at the MCC? MR. i. a : So, there’s the female unit, unit on the second floor. The WITSEC Unit on three. 5 North, 5 South. 7 North, 7 South. 9 North, SHU, 10 South, 11 South, 11 North. So, 11 housing units. MR. I. a: And as of August, only one housing unit was done at that point? MR. I. a: I don’t really -. Honestly, I don’t remember. There’s a lot going on. MR. I. a : I’m talking an idea at that point. MR. I. a: Yeah. I think during that time, if || and | came TDY, that’s when EFTA00142316

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 67 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 maybe one housing unit was totally piped in and maybe ready to go, but even then, it wasn’t ready to go because you still needed a fiber upgrade. We could have put it on single mode, but it would have had issues. It wasn’t -. And then, we still didn’t even have CAT-5. There was a lost of stuff we just didn’t have to finish the upgrade. MR. I. a : Okay. So, after Mr. Epstein’s death, did they bring in more employees? MR. I. aaa: Yes, they brought a lot of TDY help, and that’s when a lot of stuff happened. MR. I. a : And once they brought in all the employees, how long did it take to actually put the - forget about the cameras - how long did it take to put the wiring in? MR. I. a: After Epstein’s death - so they were closing down the prison in August of, well, we found out August-September. I was still working, like, two or three times a week on overtime installing conduit, and running wires, and installing cameras. And even with all that said, there was still - I remember I EFTA00142317

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 68 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 went through all 11 housing units - I still didn’t finish 11 South because that’s open dorm. Unit Two never got finished and the sallyports never got finished. And some outside cameras. So, even after that happened, three years, it still was a long undertaking. MR. I. a : So, even after three years MR. i. a : Yes. MR. I. a: -- it’s still not completed? MR. i. a : It wasn’t completed when we left, and they shut down that jail. As far as the IP cameras, that was not completed, no. MR. i. a : And that was just the wire itself that never got completed? MR. I. a: No, no. Just hooking up cameras and the wiring. We put in -. Pretty much set up the infrastructure where each floor you could go to a hub to install cameras everywhere. MR. I. a : Yeah. MR. I. a: But as far as finishing the actual units, some of that was not complete, no. EFTA00142318

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 69 w ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 MR. I. a: Okay. And do you recall when the majority of the work was done? MR. i. a : I was, like, I was working overtime all the time, so it was -. MR. I. a : Was it like a couple of months? Three months, four months? MR. I. a : It was a couple of years. I was still working on it -- MR. i. a : It was still ongoing? MR. I. a: -- yeah. It was still ongoing. I was still working on it. It was never really complete. Because COVID happened. We had TDY help, and we had the gun thing, where we had more people come in. So, there was a lot of stuff that needed to -. MR. I. a: So, they were continuously being people TDY to help with it? ve. 9. BB: ssves. MR. I. a: Okay. And did the people actually continue doing work for the cameras, or were they pulled out to do other things? MR. I. a: They were pulled out to do other things too, when it came to UI. MR. i. a: What was SigNet’s role in the installation? EFTA00142319

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 70 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. I. a : They were supposed to doa boatload of work, but we ended up doing a lot of the work inhouse. MR. I. a : That’s (Indiscernible *00:45:54). MR. i. a: Yeah. Because -. MR. I. a : Because over here on line, where is that line? Look SigNet labor says 243,000. MR. jf. BM: 943,000 yeah. MR. I. a : What was their job? MR. i. a : Their job. Okay, so the main thing we were supposed to do was run pipe everywhere and, like -- MR. i. a : You guys were? Like, the mcc. MR. I. a: -- right. MCC was supposed to run the pipe everywhere, put the box up, and they were just going to come in and mount the cameras up and put it on the network, but it was going to take too long, so we just started doing everything in-house. We started - well I started - just installing cameras, and putting them up, and letting them start recording. So, you have more view. Because EFTA00142320

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 71 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 one camera we had on the unit, that wasn’t going to solve everything. So, we had one camera on the unit, and after, like, all this started happening and especially, a staff member got assaulted. That’s why I added another camera on the network, one on top of the bubble, so you could see like - it’s a 270 - so, you can see like this way. You can pretty much see the whole unit. So, that’s the best I could do at the time for all of the housing units that only had one camera. And then, eventually we started going unit by unit and just installing 12 to 13, however many cameras on each unit. MR. I. a : Okay. And how long did SigNet stay after Mr. Epstein’s death? Did they come and stay for a while -- MR. I. a: Oh, yeah, I wouldn't -- MR. I. a : -- to finish up everything, or did they -? MR. I. a : No. After Mr. Epstein’s death, that’s when they came and installed the recorders. Because this was all on-hand, the new recorders and the rack. But they had to EFTA00142321

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 72 1 get the okay for them to - well, and I called 2 Justin, too, about this. I was, like, hey 3 we're on the list, but we weren’t on the list 4 to get upgraded. 6 MR. i. a: So, but then this 7 happened, so they came, like, the next day, and 8 I stayed there to -. 9 MR. i. a : They stayed for a couple 10 weeks -% 11 MR. i. a: Oh, just a couple 2 Just to get the new recorders in. That’s it? 4 MR. 9. HB: Yeah, it was -. They didn’t help with the WwW Fs) = F w a = 7 vR. §. HE: No. 8 MR. i. a : So, you guys still 9 installed the cameras yourselves? 20 MR. fj. HB: 9s Yeah, we installed all the 21 cameras 22 MR. i. a: ASAC i. anything else 23 on that? 24 MR. aa: Yeah, a couple of questions. 25 So, based on what you just said, I just want to EFTA00142322

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 73 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 make sure I’m clear. We talked about the fact that if you had the new cameras in October of 2018, you would not have been able to install them based on the lack of wiring. MR. I. a : Yes. MR. aa: So, let me ask the same thing about August 10th, the day of Epstein’s death. If you had received the cameras before that day, would you have been able to install them before that time? MR. I. a : No. MR. a: Okay. And, because it looks like - yeah - the cameras I think finally came in October 2019. The second question is - let me get back to my notes here - after Epstein’s death, as you just said, SigNet came in, they got the new recorders up and running, and you were able to have video coverage with the old cameras on the old recorders, correct? MR. I. a: Yes. MR. Ha: So, it’s not like the institution was without -- MR. I. a: Cameras, no. MR. a: -- cameras, yeah, between -. EFTA00142323

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 74 1 MR. i. a: The cameras were always 2 working. That’s the misinterpretation of the 3 whole thing. 5 MR. i. a : The cameras were always 6 working. 7 MR. aa: All right. I just wanted to 8 make sure to get that on the record as well. 9 And the final question - I don’t think, 10 a. you were going to ask this - is in 11 regard to the other contract, Anixter, I 2 believe is the company. 3 mR. §. BR: ves. i 4 MR. HMMM: «Ss (Indiscernible *00:49:10). 15 MR. QM: 9 (indiscernible *00:49:11). 16 MR. i. a: I had a question also. 7 I’1l show him the email also. 8 MR. aa: Yeah. Perfect. Okay. Then 9 I’ll let you -. 20 MR. 9. HB: =No, no. You can ask the 21 question. I’11 give him the email, so, if you 22 want to refer to the email yourself -- 23 MR. §. EJ: 9 Mn-hrn. 24 MR. i. a: -- I’1ll provide it to him. 25 MR. aa: Yeah, so basically ,my EFTA00142324

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ~) wi 1 question was going to be in regard to that 2 contract, do you know approximately when the 3 materials from that contract came in? 4 MR. i. a: This was -. 5 MR. a: And again, it looked to be 6 primarily wiring, from my understanding of the 7 order. 8 MR. i. a: The cable. 9 MR. J: 9 Yeah. 10 MR. i. a: Is this fiber? I don’t -. 11 No, that came a little bit later, because we 2 didn’t have fiber anything. 3 MR. i. a : Okay. You didn’t have 4 fiber - 15 MR. i. a : Maybe we had fiber, but 16 then we had to do another order for fiber 7 because they wanted to change stuff, so. 8 MR. i. a : And this, is it the new 9 order for -? I want to read this just for the 20 record. This says -. This is from J Hg. 22 MR. i. a: Oh, that’s the contracting 23 officer at the time. He took | spot. 24 He was, like, the cashier. 25 MR. i. a : He’s a - it says Financial EFTA00142325

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 1 MR. i. : Yeah, probably the ies) i And fiber was never used? Yes, it was used, yes. But not for the initial -. w a Bene oO ct a] ct oO a) Oo ct | = a } = 2t the pipe in, and then do Nm ct J 0] iad 0) Mn 2] ct old us that you ive) 7 wu oh ~ b- a wv) ct a 0) ie) is) =] duits laid in Building Four. 4 MR. i. a: I didn’t know anything 5 about that. MR. i. a: Or was that ordered? 7 MR. i. a: That was maybe for ifs] oO 8 something else, or maybe it was ordered. I 9 don’t know. 20 MR 21 conduits to run? 22 MR. i. a: Mainly, I got most of my 23 conduit from Sheridan. That was the vendor I 24 used EFTA00142327

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 78 w ~] wo 10 11 MR. I. a: Yeah, locally, yes. MR. I. a: Locally. And so, you bought the conduits from them. What about the wiring itself? MR. I. a : That was from Anxiter. Because that’s the CAT-6 I use. I got everything from Anixter. MR. I. a: All right, so it was from an outside vendor? MR. I. a: Yes, yes. MR. I. a : Okay, so there was actual contracts for that. MR. I. a : Yes. For the fiber, yes. The conduit, we just placed the order and just bought conduit when we needed it, as much as we needed to do a unit. MR. I. a: Okay. MR. a: And so, again, I think that email was from April 2019, so it sounds like, at least at that point, you guys had not received the Anixter materials. Do you have any idea when that finally showed up? MR. I. a: It was so much stuff coming in, and like I said -- MR. QR: Okay. EFTA00142328

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 7 1 MR. i. a: -- we had very limited wo 3 MR. a: No, I understand. 4 MR. §. EE: «0 n-hm.. MR. HORNEE: I just wanted to see if you w had a recollection. Thanks. oO And that is all I have, wo [es] 10 MR. i. a: No problem. I have 11 another email here. It looks like it’s a 2 communication between yourself and Justin 3 Houston on Friday, March 22nd, and -? What year? 2000? t oO a Okay. Mm-hmm. F w a Bem 8 Is it possible to overnight some cameras for 9 MCC New York project?” And you were asking 20 him, “I would like to mock-up a unit before we 21 bet started to see what we needed -- Mm-hmm. -- 20 dome IPs, five 180- 24 degree IP,” five - I mean two PTC, dome IPs. EFTA00142329

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 80 1 MR. i. a: Do you recognize this 2 email? ve. §. BB: ves. 4 MR. i. a: And this is prior to them ies) 5 shipping the cameras. This is just - Do you 6 know why you asked them for these cameras? 7 MR. i. a : That’s probably when we 8 finished the piping on our unit. So, it was 9 probably in March when we finished the piping. 10 MR. i. a: Which unit was that? 11 MR. i. a: 11 North, maybe. 2 MR. i. a : So, this is the first unit Ww het fe) & \ c Ww = wm = i) fu ‘K€ i] ie) ct J a U r U rt os 1) Hh bh RK n ct 16 unit you’re trying to get done, so -. But this was before the cameras, anything came in? 9 MR. i. a: So, you started doing one 20 unit? 21 MR. i. a : Yes, we did one unit, as 22 far as the piping and see where you’re going to 23 put everything. 24 MR. i. a: So, this is basically, you 25 ordered these pieces just to see where EFTA00142330

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 81 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 everything would fit? MR. i. a: Yes, and how would it work on our system. MR. I. a : Okay, no problem. I’m going to jump onto the next set of questions. Is that okay? MR. Ha: Yeah, yeah, it’s good with me. I’ve got everything on the previous subject that I needed. Thank you. MR. I. a: Okay. Now regarding the NiceVision System, can you confirm that only the SIS staff and electronics technicians had the ability to replay, save and export videos, or could certain other staff, like captains, lieutenants, anyone else review or save recorded footage as well? MR. I. a: I think the captain has authorization. Lieutenants? I’m not too sure if they had authorization to pull video to -. Because sometimes they’d have to send a packet up, so I don’t know if it was the SIS or the lieutenants that saved video. Every institution is kind of different when it comes to who can pull the video. MR. I. aa : Is there something called EFTA00142331

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE B82 w ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 SuperVision? MR. I. a: SuperVision, yes. MR. I. a : So, you would have to have a specific log-in for it? MR. I. a : No, SuperVision - yes, you would have to log for - well, no. But SuperVision is just mainly for passwords and stuff. It’s not really for anything else. MR. i. a : Oh, okay. But to view it, but don’t you have to log in to see? MR. I. a : Yeah, that’s the regular NiceVision -- MR. I. a : Okay. MR. I. a: -- that’s in control. You just have to have access to Control. That’s the part of NiceVision. MR. I. a: And who had access to that, just the captains and the Com Techs? MR. I. a: Just the Com Techs, yeah. Maybe the lieutenants had it. I would have to see the usernames. I’m pretty sure the lieutenants should have had it. I’m not too sure. MR. i. a: Okay. So, you’re not sure. You think maybe the captains, maybe the EFTA00142332

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE B4 w ~] wo 10 11 like that - can you confirm that those users were only able to view live video feeds? MR. i. a : Well, it’s depending on how you set up everybody’s profile. Somebody’s file y an - mainly SIS - they rofile you can mainly SIS§£ they can pull video under that profile. If you were a lieutenant, you can probably just view live viewing. Because there’s - Nice comes and pretty much sets that all up before you even get -. MR. &j. mR. &f. MR. &f. to go back? MR. i. a : I think maybe the lieutenants, too, because if there’s a fight or They can see live video? K om wu s Okay. Who had the ability something, and they needed to look back at video, and if SIS wasn’t there, they probably would need access to look back. MR. §f- : The captain? 7 MR. HM: captain. wR. §. BB: sis? ve. §. BJ: sis mR. 9. BB: 9 com Techs? MR. 9. HB: 9 Com Techs. EFTA00142334

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE B86 w ~] wo 10 11 MR. §. EB: ves. MR. I. a: Okay. MR. aa: Okay. Thank you. MR. I. a : Now for - because they’re standard, as we mentioned, there’s different users, right? Standard user and, like, the computer, or -? MR. I. a : Yes, any computer that has NiceVision on the computer. MR. I. a : Oh, so it had to be pre- installed? MR. i. a : Yes, it had to be pre- installed. And some computers just have control, they don’t have access to SuperVision, or to, like, go back and play video. mR. §. BB: 9 Yeah. MR. fj. HM: 9 they just have the control. But even in control sometimes, you can play back video that’s there with just the controller setting. You don’t need SuperVision actually on that computer. If your log-in permits you to go that far. EFTA00142336

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE oo ~~] 2 MR. aa: And so, on that, Mr. a. 3 so there’s just various desktops, if you will, 4 computers throughout the institution that had 5 NiceVision installed. 6 wR. §. BBB: Ssves. 7 MR. aa: And if you had an account, you 8 could get in there, correct? 10 MR. a: Okay. And are there a lot of 11 shared computers in the institution? 2 MR. i. a: Yes, everybody shares 3 MR. aa: Is that right? Like, like any 4 other institution? 16 MR. aa: Okay. All right. And that’s 7 all I have on that. Thank 7) 8 MR. i. a : Did the facilities manager 9 also have keys to the dedicated room containing 20 the camera DVR system? 21 MR. i. a : Not that I know of. No. 22 MR. i. a: So, it’s just the Coms 23 Tech? 24 MR. i. a: Well, where the DVRs are, 25 SIS had that key. I never had access to it. EFTA00142337

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 89 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 in my shop where I could look at the live feed. MR. 9]. BJ: 9 Yeah. MR. i. a : And then, I had my desktop computer where I could log into Nice and look at what’s being recorded, or what’s working on the recorders. MR. J. BMJ: 9 But she mentioned like a terminal itself. Like, all the recorders, DVRs and stuff -. MR. I. a: It probably looked like -. It was probably my -. That’s where the public address was. And later on, after the install, I put in a separate, like I put a network in my shop, but that was later on. The only thing that was in there was the public address, my live feed, and my workstation. MR. I. a: This is prior to the August 10th, 2019? MR. §. BB: ves. MR. 9. HM: Okay. But there’s no actual, like a DVR system, recorders, or anything like that? MR. I. a: No, there was nothing in the basement, no. MR. I. aa : Okay. Anything else ASAC EFTA00142339

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 91 1 MR. I. a : Yes, because that was the 2 Evidence Room. And like I stated before, I was 3 told numerous times that we should have our own 4 key or get your stuff out of the Recorder Room. 5 MR. a: Okay. 6 MR. I. a: And that’s how it is at 7 most institutions. Just the Recorder Room. 8 Nobody else but the Com Techs have that key or 9 should. MDC Brooklyn, I have the same problem 10 now because that room is - I don’t mean to be 11 talking off - but they use that room for other 12 stuff, so now you have people that do have the 13 key. These two institutions are rare because 14 when I worked in Terre Haute, only the Com 15 Techs had the key to go in the Recorder Room. 16 Nobody else should have the key. 17 These two institutions for space or 18 whatever, they use an excuse and other people 19 have the key to go in the room and nobody 20 should have the key but the Com Techs. 21 MR. aa: Okay. So, prior to August 22 10th, 2019, you did not have a key to that -- 23 MR. i. a: No. We talked about it 24 before -- 25 MR. a: -- Recorder Room? EFTA00142341

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 92 w ~] ive) MR. I. a: -- about me getting access to having a key so I could get in that room. MR. I. a : But you never did. MR. QJ: Okay, so -. MR. I. a : I never got it, no. MR. a: You didn’t have one. I’m assuming the facilities manager didn’t have one either then, back then. MR. a: Okay. And so, you said SIS controlled those keys. Obviously, the lieutenant had it. Do you know if the SIS Tech had the key? MR. I. a: The SIS Tech had the key and the lieutenant, yes. MR. QJ: 9 Okay. MR. I. a: And whoever was in the Phone Monitoring Room or the Video Room. They would have the key to get in also. MR. QJ: So, the phone monitor who is just a CO that’s rotating -- MR. §. EB: ves. MR. Ha: -- or a staff member rotating through there on a quarterly basis, they would be given that DVR Room key, as well? EFTA00142342

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 93 w ~] wo 10 11 MR. I. a: They would have the key to get in the room and the door is supposed to be locked, but usually, I get - if they’re already - I could just go in the room in the back. MR. I. a : The room in the back. Is that locked or is it just kept open? MR. I. a : It probably should have been locked. Sometimes I went in there, it was locked, sometimes it was open. MR. a: Okay, so, but for the phone monitor, they had a room, obviously to the Phone Monitor Room -- mR. §. BR: ves. MR. a: -- but not the actual DVR Room MR. I. a: I’m not sure if they had that key. MR. a: -- but you’re just saying that sometimes -? MR. 9. HB: 9st don’t know if they have that key or not, but usually that room is open. MR. QJ: 9 Okay. MR. I. a: Because only the SIS would have that key. MR. QJ: Okay. All right. Good. EFTA00142343

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