10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL MARCH 16, 2022 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00142116

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. QERMJ: his is Special Agent J ios) 2 a. Today is March 16th, and the time is 3 9:55 a.m. The recorder is now on. My name is 4 | a. I am a Special Agent with the 5 U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the 6 Inspector General, New York Field Office, and ~] these are my credentials. oo th Thank you, sir. 9 MR a : This interview with the 10 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, Lieutenant 11 a. is being conducted as part of 2 an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office 3 of the Inspector General investigation. 4 Today’s date is March 16th, 2022. The 5 ‘ + 9-56 a ig i wi foc ‘ 15 time is 9:56 a.m. This interview is being 16 conducted at the Federal Bureau of Prisons ~ Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn, New 8 York, warden’s conference room. 9 Also present are DOJ/OIG Assistant Special 20 Agent-in-Charge, J) NNN, Licutenant 21 ee This interview will be 22 recorded by me, Special Agent | a. 23 Could everyone please themselves for the 24 record, and spell your last name? To start, 25 again, I am DOJ/OIG Special Agent F EFTA00142118

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 1 — in-Charge | PF with the 4 and these are my credentials. ] n stant Speci ies) w 6 MR. ae: Please identify yourself. co With the Federal Bureau of Prisons. wo This is an official i=) a 1 investigation into events surrounding the death 2 of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and you are being Wa wu 17) tan i] ish ct oO 5 voluntarily provide answers to our 4 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 5 with the DOJ/OIG? 16 MS 7 MR. review DOJ/OIG form 8 III-226/2. The form states, 9 Department of Justice, Office of 20 General, Warnings and Assurances Provide Information No ion) 3 2) co wu Kh 1) on @ Bb =] Q 1] asked to provide 24 information as part of an investigation being 25 conductec ice of the Inspector EFTA00142119

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceeding, or both.” The waiver states, “I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above, and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.” Please review the form and if you understand and agree, please sign where it says Employee Signature. MS. a: Okay. MR. a : And print your name right below that. MS. a: Below that. Okay. MR. a: I'm going to sign on the EFTA00142120

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 6 1 signature of the Office of Inspector General. 2 MR. a : Okay. And this is | a. and I will sign as the witness and 4 fill out the rest of the form. What is the time, a: ies) w 10 the interview, I would like to pla 11 oath. Lieutenant a. can you please raise 2 your right hand? 3 MS. a: Sure. 4 MR. a: Do you swear to the tell the 5 truth and nothing but the truth during this interview? 7 MS. a: Yes, sir. hand down. Please let me know if you oO co J wo 22 nd any questions, and I will try 23 to repeat it, or try to rephrase it for you. 24 MS 25 MR for taking the time EFTA00142121

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LIMITED ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) OFFICIAL USE 7 to meet with us today. You previously told us - we'll jump right into it - you met with us in ae: Yes. MR. a: And you previously told us that you were off on August 93th, 2019. That was a Friday. Do you recall? MS. ? I think On August 9th, i wa ifs) off on the Friday. I think my last day of working was August 8th, I think it was. MR. a: August 8th. And do you recall mentioning to us about an issue with the camera -- MS. EJ: 9 ves. MR. a: -- system? MS. BJ: ves. MR. a: And you had addressed that situation with the communications technician MS. BJ: 9 ves. MR. ae: And you remember mentioned, I think the conversation was between - you want to tell us a little bit about it again? Your recollection of it. MS. ae: Sure. I was - after I was EFTA00142122

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 reviewing the camera, I was looking for an inmate that may have possibly departed the building. So, I was, I went to the camera to review the, to see if I can backtrack exactly when he left the building. I was present at the SIS office, with the Associate Warden from MCC New York at the time, which is AW J, we both were looking at the camera, and at that moment, I noticed I couldn't rewind on the cameras. So, I couldn't get any playback. At that moment, we stopped, you know, like, searching for the inmate because we couldn't go back any further than the time we were at. And at that time, I notified communications tech a. I called him over the radio and let him know, hey, I'm trying to rewind back the cameras, and the cameras won't rewind. And he said he will come and take a look at the system and see what was going on. And which he did. He did come down and he looked at the system, and he said he has to do overtime to fix the system. At that moment, I notified Captain | ssti‘iz*Sd I apologized that the cameras was down, and I also provided EFTA00142123

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE io 1 him with a memorandum, letting him know that 2 the camera system was down. 7) ies) a Okay. And we were able to -- Before we get into that, 5 6 I'm sorry 7 -- as far as the - so, 8 there was a discrepancy with what you said and 9 what AW | | said. u just rewind o - 10 and that’s not a big discrepa - 11 you rewind one video at that time, the one you were trying to look at, or did you rewind nN ive) multiple, to determine that the -? 4 MS. a: No. I went back on quite a 5 few. t oO a And was that with AW | | she hh remember i co U Leal Q wu =] rt I was going back at No Nm ct y 0] 0 wu =I 0) ini w a) ~ rt Oo ion 1) p 3) 5 ) n ct with you. No ion) id Because she was saying -- 24 Ms. QJ: «Bot 1 -. 25 MR. a : -- she thought it was EFTA00142124

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 1 just one while she was there, so -- 2 MS. QJ: 9Right. WwW 5 | | k rh bh rt . 03) | 4 MS. ae: I can't remember if she 5 stayed, but I did go back on several cameras on 6 the housing units and different areas, to see 7 can I -- 8 MR. a : Okay. 9 MS a : -- rewind. 10 MR. a : So, you did, but she 2 MS. BRM: yes. ves. Okay. Great. ive) Fs) 4 MR. a: So, we were able to identify, 15 with your assistance, through this document was 16 provided to AW i. and AW | | provided this 7 to the MCC attorneys, who in turn provided it 8 to the OIG. 9 MS. a : Okay. 20 MR. QJ: And this is the memo that was 21 written by you. I'm going to read it out for 22 the record. Up top it says, the United States 23 Government Memorandum. Federal Bureau of 24 Prisons. MCC New York. 150 Park Road New 25 York. The date is August 10th, 2019, from EFTA00142125

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 11 wi ~] 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 i. SIS Lieutenant to i. a. Captain. MS. a: Mm-hmm. MR. a: Subject is, “NiceVision (Phonetic Sp. *00:07:26) camera system.” “On August 8th, 2019, at approximately 3:45 p.m., while reviewing the Nice camera system, I attempted to recover video footage from the unit 5-South housing unit.” Ms. QJ: 9 ves. MR. a: “At this time, I was unable to recover any previous recordings from the camera. This prompting me to review all of the cameras. None of the cameras on the system were able to record. Therefore, I called communication technician i. a. via radio. At approximately 4:00 p.m., | | responding to the third floor phone monitoring room to check the cameras, and notified me that the cameras were not recording, and there was no way to retrieve any video. | stated he fixed the camera system on Friday, August 9th, 2019, when he arrived to work.” Ms. (J: 9 vm-ho. MR. a: Do you recall writing this EFTA00142126

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LIMITED OFFICIAL [ a w tm = N 1 memo? 2 MS a: Yes. 3 MR ae : Is this the memo? Okay. 4 MS ae: Yes. 5 MR a: Just to clarify, the date 6 that you wrote the memo will be on August 10th? 7 MS. a : Yes. 8 MR. a: This would be the Saturday 9 following -- 10 MS. a: Yes, sir. It would be the 11 Saturday. 2 MR. ae: And August 9th, you were off? 3 MS. a: Yes. I'm almost sure I 4 wasn’t there the Friday. I'm almost sure that 15 I sn’t in the building. t oO a That last sentence, that’s Lee) 5 Well, first, just to 9 clarify, the August 10th. So, previously, and 20 I think again, you just, I think you assumed 21 you wrote it on August 8th, but it looks like 22 you actually wrote it on the 10th. 23 MS. a: I did assume that I wrote it 24 on the 8th. EFTA00142127

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 13 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Ms. QJ: 1 dia. MR. a : So, looking at that now, do you know that it was now written on the 10th, on the Saturday, as opposed to on that Thursday, when you first found out? MS. a: Yes. MR. a : Okay. So, that’s not, like, a misunderstanding? That’s, now looking at it, you’re, like, oh, that’s correct, you actually wrote it on -. So, does that mean that you didn't tell Captain | until the 10th, as well? MS. a : No. I definitely told him when the cameras was found, because he wouldn't have had any footage, have anything occur. MR. Ee : Because when we spoke with Captain a. he didn't think he would - or he said he wasn’t told until that Saturday. He says he was never informed on that Thursday or Friday. So, we were just - now seeing that memo - we were trying to think, oh, maybe you were just mistaken because you were very confident, no, I told the Captain, and I provided him the memo. So, seeing that, does that maybe make EFTA00142128

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LIMITED ies) w co ive) oO co OFFICIAL USE 14 you think -? MS. a: No. I'm definitely positive that I told him when the cameras was down because we always do. happened, we need to get footage at tha rt moment. MR. QM: ub-hon. asking me did I notify | that the cameras and I told him I did -- down, that was on the 8th? MS. a : I'm positive -- MR. a: Okay. And the last thing says, yo stated he fixed the camera system on Friday, August 9th, when he arrived to work.” Just to clarify, d EFTA00142129

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 w ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 - sorry, let me pause for a second. UNKNOWN FEMALE: I'm sorry. Hi. Hi. How are you? MR. a : We’re on a recording, just so you know. wR. QJ: so -. UNKNOWN FEMALE: Oh, I'm sorry. MR. QM: Okay. MR. a: Just to clarify, the last statement -- MS. a: Yes. MR. a: -- does that mean that he fixed, stated, now, did | tell you that he fixed the camera on August 9th? Or does it mean that he told you that he will come in on August 9th and fix the camera? MS. a: No. On the 8th, he told me he was staying that evening to fix the cameras. When | seen me on the 10th, when I entered the Special Housing Unit, he was in there. I don't know if he was working, if he was doing overtime. But as soon as I entered the Special Housing Unit, Mr. | immediately approached me. Immediately approached me, and I said, EFTA00142130

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 16 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 well, what happened with the camera system? Because we had this conversation that you will fix it on the 8th. And he said I fixed it yesterday. And then, I'm here today, which is the 10th, to finish up. MR. a : So, you mean, he started fixing it yesterday? MS. a: So, I'm assuming that, I don't know if he started, or if he fixed it, but I could only go by what he told me. I fixed the camera system, and I'm here to finish it up. MR. a : Because when you - when we spoke to you last, you had mentioned that you approached him and said, you told me you were going to fix this, and you said, and then he told you at that time, yeah, I came in here today -- MS. QJ: 9 Right. MR. QM: -- to do it. MS. a: Right. So, I was under the assumption he started on the 9th, and he still had - whatever he had left to do on the 10th, and I assume that that’s what he was there to do. EFTA00142131

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 w ~] MR. Ee : Okay. So, not that he fixed it on the 9th, but he started to fix it on the 9th? MS. QJ: «Right. I feel like he started to fix it on the 9th, and he was there to finish up, because then he was actually on overtime in an attempt to, if I'm correct. MR. QM: Okay. MS. a: So, I assumed that he started fixing it, and he was there to attempt to finish it up. MR. a : So, should that last sentence then read, he began fixing it on the 9th? Instead of he fixed it on the 93th? MS. a: It should, but again, I can't recall. I don’t want to say, you know, because he told me he fixed the cameras. So, fixing to me, I don't know the camera system. So -- MR. Ee : So, on the 9th, when they knew that they couldn't actually get video, he actually said, I did fix it yesterday? MS. a: No. On the 9th. I mean, sorry, on the 10th. MR. a : That’s what I mean, on the 10th. EFTA00142132

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 18 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MS. a: When we arrived, and we realized that there was no video over the 9th. That’s when he stated, I did overtime, I fixed it yesterday. And then, we would, me and him were having a conversation that it’s no video. You can't go back. And his thing was, I'm here to finish up what I started yesterday. MR. QE: uh. Ms. QJ: 9 so, I don’t -- MR. QJ: 9owas it -- MS. a: -- know what he fixed, because fixing to - I'm sorry - fixing can be he bought all of the cameras back up, so the cameras are online, but I don't know if they were online to record, if that makes any sense. MR. Ee : And so, it’s hard for us to understand because if he’s saying he fixed it yesterday, and he’s here to finish it today, that sounds like it means he started fixing it yesterday, and he’s -- Ms. QJ: 9 Right. MR. a : -- but what his words were, he fixed it yesterday? MS. a: His words was, I fixed it yesterday, and I'm here to finish up today. EFTA00142133

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) \o Now, I don't know what the finish up part for today was, to be honest with you. I'm assuming the finishing up part was the to get them to record, because they were blacked out. MS. a: Most of the cameras were blacked out. MR. a : Oh, so, they were actually blacked out? So -- MS. a: It was some cameras that were blacked out where it was no screen at all. MR. a : Okay. MR. a: This was on August 8th? MS. a: On August 8th. MR. a : Okay. So, he actually got the cameras to not be blacked out anymore, so meaning, he fixed the cameras that were blacked out, and on the 10th, he was going to get them to start MS. QJ: 9 vhat’s what I assume. MS. a: It’s just an assumption because when I got there the 10th, I didn't ecording? physically go to see if the black out cameras was back online. EFTA00142134

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 1 MR. QJ: 4.11 right. 2 say fixed in tha rt , you’re talking about, he Ww ct .) oO 9] i] =| oO K wu n a im ie] pan up and running, but the w 10th? co ah U H ct 07] = G n rt wu 5 assumption. wo I really can't say what he did. I can Wa id | | c mh a 0) a) i a o 4 the 10th, I fixed 2m yesterday, did you ask 5 him then, well, then, why can't we get the oO recordings? Lee) 5 No? 9 MS. QJ: «= didn't. 21 MS. EJ: 9 amn-on. 22 MR. ae : But now, your assumption 23 is, h fixed th i) oO i) cam oO ras to get them back up 24 and running, and on the 10th, he was going to 25 fix the recording part. EFTA00142135

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 21 1 MS. a: He was there to finish 2 whatever that fixing was, and I'm assuming that 3 it was the recording part because they still 4 weren’t recording on the 10th. 5 MR. a : Okay. But that was an 6 assumption on your end? 7 MS. a : That was just an assumption 8 on my end. 9 MR. a : And you didn't ask him 10 anything further on that? 11 vs. SE: No. I didn't ask him anything 2 else 3 MR a : Okay. Sorry. 4 MS. QJ: No, I didn't. 15 MR. QR: Go. ahead. 16 MR. ae: Do you recall having a 7 conversation with him on the 10th about him not 8 having access to the communication room? 20 MR. QJ: 9o0n the 9th. Him not being 21 able to access the room because there was no 22 one there to open the door for him? 23 MS. a: No. No. And he would be 24 able to have access to the room because all of 25 the keys are located in the control center. EFTA00142136

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 22 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. a: But the center control would be locked up, right? MS. a: The control center, they would - my keys would have been locked behind, like, an emergency glass. But he’s accessed my keys in the past to fix the cameras. MR. a : How would he access them? MS. a: He would get permission from the captain to get my keys because that’s who has to authorize the keys. MR. a: And he would go to the captain, and the captain would authorize it, and he could just take the keys? MS. QJ: 1 would hope so -- MR. a: Mm-hmm. MS. a: -- that he would get authorization, but he’s been there late nights when there has been nobody in SIS, fixing the cameras. MR. a: And you recall specific situations where the captain has authorized him to take your keys and go into the room? MS. a: I can't say I was present when he authorized him to take the keys. I'm not going to say that I was present. But -- EFTA00142137

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 23 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) MR. a: But you recall -- MS. a: -- I recall times when I told the captain, hey, | is going to stay late because the camera system is not working, and the captain okay, I’1l be here. And he fr) would be and have access to that room. MR. a: Does that mean | was given the keys, or the captain would go in and i) open the door for him? MS. a: That, I'm not sure. MR. QJ: 9 Okay. MS. a: That, I'm not sure. MR. a : So, do you remember around, approximately, what time it was on August 8th that you learned that the cameras were down? It was late in the afternoon. MR. a : And you’re positive it was late in the afternoon? MS. QJ: =t was in the afternoon. MR. a : And when you were determining that these cameras were down, you saw that they were -- because this is we're hearing that there were blacked out cameras, all along we’ve been told they EFTA00142138

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LIMITED w ~] ive) OFFICIAL USE 25 sure you told him on the 8th? Because he wasn’t there. MS. a: No. I spoke to Captain | about the cameras because he asked me, was I going to fix the cameras? I know it definitely was after the lunch, the lunch break. So, between - it was afternoon time - between 12:00, 1:00. MR. a : All right. So, when you say late afternoon, before, you’re now thinking it was actually early afternoon? MS. a: Well, that’s late afternoon for me when I get it -- MR. QM: 4.11 right. MS. a: -- because I get in 5:00 in the morning. So -- MR. ae : Okay. MS. a: -- I'm sorry. But it definitely was somewhere after the inmates’ lunch. Between 12:00, 12:00 noon, I want to say between 12:00 and 2:00. In that timeframe. MR. QJ: okay. MS. a: I can't tell you exactly the time. But it definitely was before I went home. EFTA00142140

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 26 w ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 MR. Ee : Okay. So, you’re positive they were blacked out, you’re positive you told Captain a: MR. a : Sorry. Go ahead, a. MR. a: How many screens would you think were blacked out? MS. a: I don’t even want to guess because it was a lot of cameras up there, but it was a good many. I know the housing units were recording. The blacked-out cameras, it was a lot of the corridors where we buzzed the doors, and we opened, a lot of the corridors were out. I do remember that. I do remember the units were up. The housing units were up. MR. a: So, let’s talk about that for a second. I know it’s important for the, how important is it for the cameras to be working? MR. QJ: 9 Now, we have two situations. One is, the camera feed not working, which would mean being able to view the cameras live. And second is the actual recordings not working. MS. QR: 9 Okay. EFTA00142141

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. a: So, how important is it for the camera feed to be working at all times? MS. a: Very. MR. a : Compared - I know, let’s talk, separate that out from the actual recordings working. How often do people go in and view the live feeds? MS. QJ: it’s my - this is just, again, I would say it should have been daily because since I’ve been at MCC New York, normal practice was that the communication shop came up every morning, went into that area where, I don't know, like, the motherboard was at. And they checked it. So, that’s what I’ve always was used to happening. And they will say, hey, you got some cameras down, or A, B, Cc, and D, because SIS uses the cameras a lot. You know? We going back for video. We looking for fights. Like, you know, they’re up on our desks sometimes who we’re just seeing who’s doing what. So, I would say daily that they definitely should be monitored. MR. a: Okay. And if the camera feeds were not working, I understand the EFTA00142142

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 28 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 recorder is not, that the recording is not there. And we might have spoken about this in the past, but should | have gone home for the day, or should the recordings, the feeds been fixed immediately? MS. a: I kind of don’t know the process of fixing the feeds because I know it was times he said he had to order new cameras. So, I don't know if they were fixable where he had to order new cameras, and had to wait for cameras to come in. So, I don't even, I don't even know, honestly, if he would have been able to fix those cameras that was out, or if he needed to order new cameras to fix those cameras that was out. MR. a : You mentioned there were quite a few feeds out, right? MS. a: Yes. MR. a: Do you think it was possible that he came in, he told you on the 10th that he came in on the 9th and he fixed them. Is it possible that he replaced all those cameras by the 9th? MS. a: Oh, I don't know. EFTA00142143

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 2 1 MR. a: Okay. Okay. 2 MS. a: I don’t know. MR. ae : Any other follow up on that? 4 MR. a : No. I mean, I don’t wo ies) 5 think he was replacing cameras. Are you 6 talking about, like, hard drives that go with 7 the cameras? 8 MR. a: I think when she said about 9 the live feed -- 10 MR. a : Yeah, yeah. 11 MR. a: -- she meant in order to see 2 the live feed, he would have to replace some of 3 the cameras. 4 MR. ae : So, you think he actually replaced the cameras -- 16 MS. ae: I don't know -- 7 MR. ae : -- or something? 8 MS. a : -- if he would have to w 9 replace them, but I know it was instances that 20 he would I have to order new cameras 21 So, I assume that those cameras are broke, and 22 they need to be replaced 23 MR. a : Okay. Okay. So, on the 24 8th, though, you knew that there was actually 25 two problems. One, that they were blacked out; EFTA00142144

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 30 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) and two, that they weren’t recording. MS. a: Yes. MR. a : And the ones that weren’t recording, were they the same ones that were blacked out? MS. a: Nothing was recording. At MR. a : Nothing. You couldn't find anything recording? MS. QJ: No. I couldn't. MR. Ee : Because our understanding was half of the cameras were recording and half of them weren’t. Just the ones you checked weren’t recording. MS. a: Just the ones I checked. And normally, that would be the housing areas will be where I’11 target because that’s where the inmates at, and that’s where -- MR. QJ: Okay. MS. QJ: 9 -- unfortunately, the incidents usually are. MR. ae : And what - you said prior - I just want to make sure we’re clear - with the ones that were blacked out were not the housing units? EFTA00142145

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE MS. a: No. I don’t recall any housing units being blocked out. MR. a : But the housing units were the ones that weren’t recording? a: Right. I know they weren’t recording. MR. a : So, there was ju problem with basically all of the cameras that ta n you knew of. MS. a: It seemed that way to me now. MR. a : And did you know, did you provide that information to either AW ia or Captain | ig Ms. QJ: No. Not about the whole system because I kind of don’t know how it MR. Ee : Okay. And then, so, knowing all that information, what is it that you told Captain a: MS. a: I just told him that I couldn't get weren’t recording. wo ray EFTA00142146

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) wo ios) MS. a: Hmm-mm . MR. QM: «411 right. And did she know the cameras were down, or did she just know that you were having a problem rewinding? MS. a: I think she - to be honest with you - she only knew that I had a problem because I couldn't playback that one unit. MR. a : Okay. MS. a : Because that’s the unit that we were looking at, which were the cadre units, that they go home and go different places. rt Because after we couldn't find that inmate, she kind of just left. MR. ae : Okay. And have you spoken with AW la since we last spoke? MS. J: No. MR. J: «No? MS. a : No. MR. Ee : So, you didn't talk about this matter with her? MS. a: No. I just received, I want to say an email, or it might have been - I can't even say it was after or before, but I did receive notification from her that she CC’d me on an email about my documentation because EFTA00142148

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LIMITED ies) w fos) wo ioe) fee) OFFICIAL USE 34 these were my documents that were in her ust want to let you them to the warden, whoever the warden was at that time, that was acting. regarding =n included MR. ae : And what about -- MS. a : -- in a pile of docum and what about Captain ) nt its) with him since we last MS. a : I haven't Okay. EFTA00142149

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 35 1 MR. a: Do you recall the video that 2 you were trying to pull up on August 8th? When Ww he a Cc 0 H i] ct wy AB Pa} 5 w to rewind. Were you trying to 4 rewind the video for just that day, or from a 5 6 to go back to oo 5 U oO rh is) RK fe G wn rt ow rt oa wo i=) ive) 5 MR. a : And you said it was 5- t fea) ie2) Oo c rt a 7 MS. QJ: «It was 5 -. It was, I think we were looking at 5-South and the 5-South co 9 sally port. That may be a little foreign. 22 MS. a: In between the two doors. 23 MR. a: That’s where the elevator is. 24 MR. QJ: nd what -. EFTA00142150

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. Ee : And what is 5-South? 2 MS. a: 5-South was the cadre unit. Ww 7 ies) a The cadre unit. And can you wi to wa An] i= = H b Q o rt 6 just explain, briefly, what does the cadre unit 7 mean? 8 MS. a: The cadre units are inmates 9 that was designated to MCC New York. So, they 10 was very in custody inmates, out custody 11 inmates, community custody inmates, but their 2 designation was to MCC New York. 3 MR. a : So, does that mean 4 general population, or is it something 15 different than general population? 16 MS. ae: No. They’re general population. 9 MS. a : Yes. They call them the work 20 cadres. So, they work around the building, in 21 different departments. 22 MR. a: So, I'm going to clarify that 23 a little bit. A majority of MCC New York, are 24 the inmates awaiting trial? 25 MS. ae: Yes. Pre-trial. EFTA00142151

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LIMITED w ~] wo 10 11 ive) OFFICIAL USE those inmates already sentenced? Pre-trial. Cadre unit, 19) K o n So, igned to, already sentenced, York. and they’re -- igned to MCC Okay. MR. cadre inmates, yeah. And now, these do they have any special privileges? but I wouldn't say special privileges, some do. Meaning, they can work. do they do? detail. Work. And You have Some on the plumbing detail. the outside detail, detail. MR. So, little bit? MS. They move around. MR. Okay. MR. a : Are they known as are these are post-sentence New Ww what kind of work which was the Dayton Manor ~ some on the electric You have they get to move around a EFTA00142152

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 40 1 the halfway house - we were going to go to the 2 halfway house and speak to him. WwW a a it) he ing to move on. head. Ww ig fe) w y I have a document here. for the record, Les] i 4 fa) i U un rt wu rt 0) on o 5 is 3 oO @ i b °o ct a 3 @ estamp 9:00, 10 you let us know what we’re looking at? a: I don't know what this i 2 So, this was provided by a. from the com its] ive) oi] ° x fw i So, | provided co 77) And I turned this over to 9 because they requested the call. The call 21 MR. QM: so, is that -- 22 MS. a: So, this is the call log. 23 But this is foreign except for the date and the 25 MR. ae: So, you wouldn't understand, EFTA00142155

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 41 1 you wouldn't know what this is about? 2 MS. a: I just know it’s a call log. Ww id Oo a wu 4 MS. ae: Because this is what he gave 5 me. So, I'm assuming this is the date somebody 6 made a call. Again, the end and time. What 7 time the other person answered. Just from 8 looking up here, at the top of it. Everything 9 down here, I don't know. fe that to 10 MR. QJ: «Now, dia QR 11 you based on a request that you asked him for? 2 Did you ask him for a call, a specific call 3 log? 4 MS. a: I want to -. Well, read the date and t wi a oO time, and then -- oo 5 | | 3 wu ) o ; c fu rt will help. ite] a | | “ a oO n rt fw R rt jon fw tt oO 2) 5 rr om Bb nm b n 21 MS. J: 9 vm-hon. The answer date is No N a No oO t wo 24 Ms. (J: 9 vm-ho. 25 MR. ae: And the end date is August EFTA00142156

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 43 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 there is numbers and everything, but it doesn't state specifically. MR. a : Okay. Do you know anybody that made a call from the MCC on August 9th, 2019, at approximately 7:00 p.m. that would be of interest for people that were investigating? MS. a: I don't know. MR. a : So, do you know anything about Epstein calling and placing a telephone call from the SHU on August 9th, 2019? MS. a: Only word of mouth, that I heard when I got there on the 10th, that he - I want to say the unit manager gave him a call - because that was the discussion - the unit manager gave him a call to his mother. And at that point, they were saying his mother was dead. And I don't know if this is the call, because I don't know how to read it, but I did hear that part of it. MR. a : And do you remember if you asked | for that specific information? Did Epstein place a call? MS. a: I wouldn't have asked him did he place a call? I would have asked him EFTA00142158

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LIMITED ~] wo 10 11 OFFICIAL USE 44 whatever phone numbers that OIG asked me for. MR. a : Okay. Now, as far as the information that you just said, which unit manager provided who a call? MS. a: It’s my understanding that Unit Manager | gave Mr. Epstein the call. MR. a : Okay. Sometime on, in the night of August 9th, 2019? MS. a: Mm-hmm. That’s my understanding. But that was just hearsay. People speaking. I didn't witness him give a phone call. No. MR. a : But you don’t know if that’s the call log for him? MS. a: I have no idea. MR. QM: okay. MR. a: And based on that, if this was the request for that, if this was the request for that call log, and this was what the communications tech pulled up, the call log that he pulled up, and this is for the SHU, would this be the phone number listed on the call log? MS. a: Oh, I don't know. MR. QJ: 9 Okay. EFTA00142159

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LIMITED ies) co OFFICIAL USE MS. a: Because I wouldn' the number. MR. a : And we’ll jus initial and date both of these. t hav MR. ae: No problem. On both ust initial and date -- 50 -- a) wn MR. a: -- not attesting just that, these are the documents MS. a: No problem. August 10th, and the other is August 9th. MR. a : And again, it MR. a: Do you know what ' it u oO these Wo Acknowledgement of Inmate form BP-408 is? while. BP-408. I'm not sure what MR. a : Give her some MS. ae: -- could you -- Oh, I’ve been out her from a EFTA00142160

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 1 MR. Ee : -- yeah. Give her some on ies) MR. ae : I'm going to read. 4 MR. a : So, when someone gets a 5 pack and PIN, or they’re able to use the inmate 6 telephone system, would they have to sign 7 something called an Acknowledgement of Inmate 8 form, BP-408? 9 MS. a : I'm not sure. Because I’ve 10 never dealt with their pack and PIN numbers. 11 MR. Ee : So, I'm going to read you 2 this. I'm just going to read you this, so that 3 you can kind of get a -- 4 MR. a: It’s going to be separate. MR. QM: -- £011. Well, and you 16 go. Because you -- 7 MR. QJ: 9 Okay. 8 MR. a : -- probably understand w 9 more. Go ahea 20 MR. QJ: §9So, do you know anything 21 about pack and PINs? When an inmate is 22 assigned pack and PINs? 23 MS. a: Vaguely. A little about the 24 pack and PIN numbers. 25 MR. ae: Okay. So, do you know if EFTA00142161

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 47 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Epstein was assigned a pack and PIN? MS. a: Oh, I don't know. MR. a: Okay. Well, our understanding was Epstein needed to be assigned a pack and PIN, and because he was at attorney conference all the time, he was never available for a pack and PIN to be set up for him. And what we’re trying to find out is, if Epstein was ever assigned a pack and PIN, and if he was assigned a pack and PIN, did he ever sign a form called Acknowledgement of Inmate form, BP-408? MS. a : Oh, I don't know. MR. QJ: what about if an inmate is afforded a legal call? Do they have to sign a form? MS. a : Normally, they request the legal call. This is my knowledge of being a lieutenant. They put a cop-out into their unit team, requesting that a legal phone call, and somebody from their unit team will come up with a logbook, I guess after they verify that that is their attorneys number, and they tell the attorney, okay, we’re going to set up this phone call for 10:00. Then they will go up and EFTA00142162

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 48 w ~] wo 10 11 give the phone call to the inmate, and log it in the legal call back. MR. a : But you’re not aware of any kind of form that they need to sign as opposed to just the logbook? MS. a: I'm not sure because that would be unit team. MR. a : Okay. But you’re not - you don’t remember a BP-408, an Acknowledgement of Inmate form, or what it is? MS. QJ: No. MR. : Okay. MR. a: Where would we find that? If for, inmate that’s a form that we’re looking had signed something like that, where would that be kept? MS. a: I would think it would be in the inmate’s central file. MR. a: And that would be in the central office? MS. a: And I would think the unit team members would have the central file in their area. MR. a: Okay. And if the inmate was in the SHU, it would be in the SHU? EFTA00142163

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 49 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. a: It would still be with the unit team that the inmate was assigned to. MR. a: Okay. And now, I'm going to read you a paragraph here. This is about federal regulations. MS. a: Okay. MR. a : “Federal regulations require that the warden of each BOP institution establish procedures to monitor inmate telephone conversations, which is done to preserve the security and orderly managing of the institution, and to protect the public. For safety and security reasons, BOP policy requires that all inmate telephone calls be made through the inmate telephone system, ITS. BOP policy recognizes that on rare occasion, in times of crisis, inmates may be permitted to make a telephone call outside of the ITS. In such circumstance, the telephone must be placed in a secure area; example, ina locked office, and must be set to record telephone calls. Additionally, the staff member coordinating the call must notify the BOP Special Investigative Services (SIS) via EFTA00142164

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 50 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 email, providing the inmates’ name and register number, the date and time of the call, the number and name of the individual called, and the reason for the call. SIS must enter this information into the telephone recording system within seven days.” MS. a : Okay. MR. a: Do you recall if you ever got notified about a call like this for Mr. Epstein? MS. a: No. MR. a: Okay. Was it standard practice at MCC if an inmate was ever afforded a call like this, would you ever get an email? MS. a: No. I’ve never gotten an email. MR. ae : Were you ever been aware of this requirement? MR. a: Were you ever aware that inmates were given calls like this where a unit team member, let’s just say if an inmate wasn’t given a pack and PIN, a unit team member would sometimes plug a line in to the legal line, and would let them make phone calls to personal -- EFTA00142165

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 51 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Ms. EE: No. MR. a: -- family members? MS. a: I didn't know. MR. a : Do you know if that was against policy if they did something like that? MS. In my opinion, yes, it’s against policy because the legal line is fora legal phone call. MR. And what happens if they were to allowed to do something like that? MS. a: What happens to who? MR. a: No. What happens if an inmate is allowed to -? What is a call like that, if they have to make a call toa personal, a personal call, why does the call have to be made on a recorded line? MS. a: Because it can be a safety issue if they have an unmonitored call, because there’s no way for us to go back and listen to the call. It could have been a threat. You know, it could have been something that could have just been a catastrophe, and that you have no way of knowing. That’s why we have that ICS system in place, so we can go back and listen to the EFTA00142166

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 52 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 calls, and we can identify anything that was abnormal. MR. a: And I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking the situation, but a situation like this, with Mr. Epstein, the fact of the circumstances that surrounded what happened between August 93th and 10th, looking back that he was allowed to make a phone call like that on August 9th, should that have been allowed? MS. a: No. In my opinion, no. MR. a: Why not? MS. a : It goes back to what I stated. We have no way of monitoring those phone calls. So, we don’t know if - you know, just an example - if I may, we don’t know if it was to intimidate a witness. We just don’t know the context of the call because we can't go back to listen. We don’t even know in the call if he was saying, hey, I'm feeling like this, because you have no way of going back and listening to that call. MR. a: And being that someone, that he was allowed to make that phone call, should someone have been standing there with him, EFTA00142167

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE wo You can move on. moving on to August 10th. No problem. Now, we’re Okay. Would there be a record of the exact time Correctional Officer Tova Noel pushed the emergency button on her radio? Like I'm not too sure if -. I know when you key up the radios, they do register on the control panels. In the control center. But I don't know if that’s recorded, where they can run, like, that’s how they ran MR. a : So, he would be able to pull Maybe. He would be the He would be the only one -- MR. a : -- to answer. Could answer it. EFTA00142169

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 11 12 13 14 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 wo w MS. a: -- would know if you can go back and pull those timeframes up. MR. a: So, just to run through the day. Let’s just say Michael Thomas, Tova Noel, the situation, they’re up there on the tier, and they discover Epstein. MS. a: Yes. MR. a: And they wanted to hit the - they wanted to notify control, hey, there is an emergency. How would they notify control? MS. a: They should hit their body alarms which -- MR. a : Which is located where? MS. QJ: 9 -- on their radio. MR. a: So, they both have a radio, or just one person? MS. a: Up in the SHU, they both should have radios. But I don’t know if they both had radios. But I know a body alarm is assigned to the Special Housing. MR. a: It’s assigned. And the body alarm is where? MS. a: The body alarm, one of the officers have to carry it. I'm not too sure if they all do. I really can't remember. But I - EFTA00142170

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 ~J] uw MS. a: It’s an orange button. Orange or red button. MR. a: And when they hit it, everyone gets notified? MS. a: It goes across all the radios. MR. a: And what is normal practice? Like, once it hits, what transpires? MS. a: Whoever is in the building responds to that area. When you hit that body alarm, it pops on the control panel, and a big screen, and we can see exactly where it’s coming from. MR. QJ: «Okay. And is that the control officer? MS. a: The control officer will call it. You know, we have a body alarm in the Special Housing Unit. MR. a: And who is supposed to respond? MS. a: Normally, everybody who has a radio and who is not supervising inmates respond to that area. MR. a: Every supervisor? MS. a: If they’re in the building, EFTA00142172

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 59 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. a: But it’s not, like, oh, yeah, and you ring the, you put the - or you press the body alarm, it’s like a matter of seconds, oh, yeah, someone is there, it takes about two to three minutes on average? MS. a: Yes. If somebody is there in a matter of seconds, that mean they’re right outside the door when that alarm went out, but most of the time, we have to get elevators, we have to run up the stairs. So, we have to get to the area. MR. a: Okay. Is there one officer controlling the elevator? MS. QJ: The control center is controlling the elevator. MR. a: So, that control officer would have to know where the officers -- MS. a: To pick -- MR. a: -- are going? MS. a: -- everybody up. Because everybody will come across the radio. Hey, pick me up on two. Pick me up on three. Pick me up on four. So, that officer has to start picking up from every floor. MR. a: Do they keep a log of EFTA00142174

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 60 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 everything that transpires when an emergency happens? MS. a: What do you mean, a log of everything -- MR. a: Let’s just say -- MS. a: -- that transpires? MR. a : -- like, the stuff that comes over the radio. Like, the calls that come over, and when a body alarm is hit, do they keep track of, hey, this call came over the call, or this person responded. MS. a: The practice should be, once the body alarm goes off, that control center has a logbook, as well. So, the control center officer should have that in their logbook. 7:15, a body alarm went off in the Special Housing Unit, for example. MR. a: Okay. MS. a: And if I was the responding lieutenant, and I cleared that body alarm, let’s say at 7:20, that logbook should also say, 7:20, body alarm cleared by Lieutenant a. MR. a: Okay. And this logbook, it’s called the control officer logbook? EFTA00142175

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 61 2 MR. a: Okay. Okay. How often do body alarms ies) a 4 go off? Or would they, around that time? Is 5 that, like, a daily occurrence, or is it 6 weekly, or -? 7 MS. a : I want to say almost daily, 8 it’s body alarms. 9 MR. a : Okay. So, people are 10 very familiar with what to do when a body alarm 11 -- 2 Ms. BR: ves. 3 MR. a : -- goes off. Now, just a 4 quick question. If an operations lieutenant is 15 relieved at, like, 6:00 a.m., let’s say, or 16 prior, the alarm goes off at 6:33, but that 7 operations lieutenant is still in the building, 8 working on documentation, would that operations 9 lieutenant, even though they’ve been relieved, 20 would they be required to respond -- i) ra z ou They should. Yes. -- they should still es. No = ih ta : So, even though they’ve EFTA00142176

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 62 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 been relieved for their shift -- MS. a: Yes. MR. a : -- should -. MS. a : You still should respond because you’re physically still in the building. MR. a : Okay. And would that operations lieutenant have given back their radio, though, already if they were already relieved? Or would they still have a radio on them? MS. a: If they’re sitting in the office, well, let me backtrack so I don’t seem confusing. The operations lieutenant that was relieved would turn the radio up to the relieving lieutenant. So, we’re not assigned individual radios. You have one assigned for operations lieutenant, and one assigned for activities lieutenant. So, if I relieve you, a. I'm going to give you - you’re going to give me your radio and your keys. MR. a : So, if that person was relieved, and then is working on documentation, how would they know that a body alarm was EFTA00142177

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 64 ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) the restroom, is what you mean? MS. a: Yes. MR. a : Okay. MS. ae: And then, the lieutenant’s office, the way it’s set up in MCC New York, is we also have the Nice camera system set up with big screen TVs, as such. So, if you are there and you see people running, your first instinct going to be, what’s going on? Everybody is running. MR. QJ: Okay. MR. a : So, if you’re still in the office, and -- MS. a: If you’re in the office. MR. a: -- office, and you’re still doing work -- MS. J: 9 m-hon. MR. a : -- you should be able to see. MS. a : Yes, because I think it’s about three or four big screen TVs in there. MR. ae : Now, is it a requirement that they respond, or just they should respond? MS. a: I don’t, I can't recall a policy on if you’ve been relieved, but you definitely should respond. EFTA00142179

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 67 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 “United States Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, MCC New York. Transfer Receipt.” This is dated Friday, August 9th, 2019. Received from a. Warden MCC New York. “Following United States prisoners. ” Sorry, it’s a little tough to read. MS. a : No. MR. a: “Prisoners together with complete files for transfer as indicated WAB, USMS, SDNY.” What is this document? MS. a: I have -. This is an R&D -. MR. a: So, you've never seen one of these documents? MS. QJ: Documents. I don't know what that is. Well, it’s a transfer receipt. But I don’t know when they do it, and for, obviously, why they do it. I don't know. MR. a: But you’ve never seen one of these before? MS. a: No. I’ve never physically seen the transfer receipt. MR. a : And this is not, you don’t think this is one of those documents that goes out to the units, saying these are the inmates that are getting transferred? EFTA00142182

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. a: What I'm showing you are oO) wo 2 pictures. It is in black and white. 3 Unfortunately, we were not able to print it in 4 color. There’s two pictures here. I need - 5 you to initial these after. oO Sure. 7 MR. a : These are, these pictures 8 were taken by the coroner’s office, just to 9 clarify. 10 MS. ERR: okay. 11 MR. a: And these were taken at the 2 MCC, just to clarify These look like AED 3 machines? Yes. t wi a ie] ? ie) And do you know what this is? It looks like a -- t oO i (Indiscernible *00:51:24). -- a home-made noose. 9 MR A home-made noose. 20 MS Yes. 21 MR Have you seen this before? 22 MS Yes. 23 MR Do you know what this is? 24 And to us, in the - because it’s in black and 25 white, and I know in the picture it looks black EFTA00142184

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 70 w ~] ive) MS. J: 9 mm-hon. MR. a: -- to us, in color, it looks like a curtain. MS. a: No. It looks -. How can I - ? %It’s like a divider. MR. a: Okay. MS. a: On wheels. MR. a: That’s what we need you to clarify. So, where is thi i] picture taken? MS. a: I'm not too sure where they took this picture at. MR. a: The divider on wheels. Was this something that was brought up to the SHU, or was this somewhere else? MS. a: I don't know. I don't know. MR. a: Do you recall something like that, like, that was brough up into the SHU to cover up Epstein’s cell, or was this brought in the health center to help? MS. a: I don't know. MR. QJ: 9 Would the dix an inmate committed suicide - would a divider ider be - if be put up outside of his cell so that other inmates can't see what’s going on? EFTA00142185

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LIMITED ies) w co wo ive) co OFFICIAL USE MS. EJ: t'ven up. Since Do 5 a divider put up rE that - because it was a there, there was no divi ig c * MS. EJ: 1 dian 71 ever seen a divider put I’ve been a lieutenant. No problem. Can you you know if there was pstein was removed, crime scene? t know. I got der up. don’t divider. wu MS. a : -- a divider. ay. the last time we spoke, that came to mind you share with us, would be pertinent EFTA00142186

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ioe) 4 MR 5 taking 8 ) MR t ioe) wu KK o oO F co rs ie) 19 MS. 20 MR ecting to return to the Nothing that I touched on every the time -- thank you again for No problem. time. All right. Thank y No problem. you said? and just, you still And you’re right now -- but on leav B 23 MR. QM: Okay Thank you 25 MR. 24 MS. You're welcome. EFTA00142187

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