10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEPTEMBER 29, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00141893

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] ive) MR. Ee : The recorder has started. My name is FY | tsiCS@d and I am a Senior Special Agent with the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office, and these are my credentials. un. §. Ea: MR. a : This interview with Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, | Okay. I see them. a. is being conducted as part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, or DOJ/OIG investigation. Today’s date is September 29th, 2021. And the time is 8:16 a.m. This interview is being conducted at the OIG New York Field Office, located at 1 Battery Park ent i 7] n Plaza, New York, New York. Also pre DOJ/OIG ASAC, or Assistant Special Agent-in- Charge, | | a. He is in person. And Special Agent J HJ is joining us by telephone. He is also with the DOJ/OIG. This interview will be recorded by me, Senior Special Agent | a. Could everyone please identify themselves for the record, and spell their last name? To start, ios) EFTA00141895

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LIMITED ioe) io ioe) oO oo No Wa OFFICIAL USE 4 nt- MR. i. a: This is Special Agent All right. Thank you. stigation into the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the surrounding circumstances, and you are being asked to oluntarily pro tions. Will interview with MR. a : Thank you, sir. icial Warnings and Assurances to vide Information Emplc Requested to P Voluntary Basis. And in this line, I'm going igation pertains to, a. t’s job performance failure and security y EFTA00141896

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. a : Job performance failure. All right. So, it says, United States Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to Employees Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. “You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both.” And there is a waiver section. And it says, "I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any EFTA00141897

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] ive) on kind has been used against me.” So, take a look. If you understand it, and are agreeing, and are willing to continue, can you just please sign where it says employee signature? Thank you very much for signing. DO you understand the form? MR. ff. BJ: =om-nmm. Yes, I do. MR. a : Okay. Do you understand this is a voluntary interview? MR. §. EB: ves. MR. Ee : Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Today’s date, again, is September 29th. So, I'm writing 09/29/21. The place is OIG, NYFO. And the time is 8:19 a.m. And I am signing my name as the Special Agent. ASAC a. can you sign as a witness, please? MR. a: Mm-hmm. MR. a : Thank you, sir. MR. a: Thank you. MR. QJ: «411 right. Before starting the interview, I would like to place you under oath. Mr. a. can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth -- wR. §. BB: yes. EFTA00141898

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LIMITED ies) w co ioe) co OFFICIAL USE 7 -- during this interview? MR. a : Great. And that was by camera -. on that, are you still at the MCC? lectronics technician? MR. 9. EB: )9syves, I am. : a : Great. Has anything changed since we spoke on July 15th, 2021? @ EFTA00141899

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. QJ: No. «Great. Is it o 2 correct that the MCC cameras were not working 3 properly in August 2019? 4 MR. i. a: Yeah. Well, the recorders wasn’t working. The cameras were working. The w Oo recorders weren’t working. 7 MR. a : So, the live feed was 8 working, but the recordings were not. 10 MR. a : Correct. When did you 11 first learn that the MCC cameras were not 2 working properly? 3 MR. i. a : That day. This was, I 4 believe, that day. Towards the end of my 15 shift. I'm not sure what time. 16 MR. Ee : So, you still think it was August 9th, 2019, that you learned? 8 ve. §. BB: ves. 9 MR. Ee : After giving it some 20 thought, do you think maybe it happened the day 21 before, on August 8th, 2019? 22 MR. i. a: I don’t know if I spoke to 23 somebody. I don’t know why it would be the 24 8th. 25 MR. a : All right. When we go EFTA00141900

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE over the reports, you know, wo we will see if that can help help you recall. First, we’re just going to ask you some questions for, like, you know, we will go over the you think that it That’s the only thing I really to the room. remember. going on. so you can, 5 li Because it from memory, recall reports, But to your recollection, And what is -- It was that Friday. what is it that makes was on that Friday Because that’s when I went a lot of hours after was EFTA00141901

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) MR. I. a: Yeah. There was a lot of things going on. But I remember the 9th because everything happened the next day. MR. QJ: Okay. MR. I. a : On Saturday. MR. a : And are you aware, now, after the fact, that the cameras stopped recording on July 29th, 2019? MR. a : So, you’re not aware of that? MR. i. a : No. Nobody. It’s the first time somebody has told me that. MR. ae : Okay. So, by reviewing the recording system, or anything like that, you didn't learn that they stopped on July 29th? MR. i. a : No. The recorders were still working. Because the recorders were still working for the building. All the -. Not all the cameras were working, but some of the recorders were working. (Indiscernible MR. a : So, when we spoke last time, you explained to us that on, like, August EFTA00141902

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LIMITED ies) fos) oo OFFICIAL USE 9th, is when you fir which included 11 st noticed it, and that Half of them was on -- -- half the cameras on -- -- DVR-1, and half were DVR-2. And one of the, one of half of the cameras opped -- ypped work -- working. I don't know when thc cameras stopped working? So, when you were trying EFTA00141903

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LIMITED ies) w co io ioe) co OFFICIAL USE 12 MR. Ee : -- the last video? MR. i. a: -- yeah, this is the first time I heard that, was July. 1 were, in fact, not wo -. I thought couldn’t gain acc to it on the 9th. So, when did actually gain access to the room, to be able to -- MR. i. a: I went up there -- MR. Ee : -- determine -? EFTA00141904

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 13 w ~] wo ive) you couldn’t stay to do the work? MR. I. a: Yeah. I couldn’t stay to do the work, because I don’t have a key, I don’t have access to the room. Because it’s the property room. MR. a : And when you say “they,” who was it that told you this? MR. I. a: I was talking to Officer i. But it’s no -. Everybody knows that SIS, u that’s their room, and I don’t have access to go in the room. At the time, I didn't have to fix the recorders. MR. a : Okay. Did you ever talk to a lieutenant |g mR. 9. BJ: «that day? MR. Ee : Any day, about these recordings. MR. i. a : Yeah. I’ve talked to people numerous times about me getting access acces un to the room, that I should have access to the room. MR. ae : No, I'm talking about, like, on August 8th or August 9th, about the cameras. Do you recall having a conversation - EFTA00141905

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LIMITED ioe) io ioe) oO oo OFFICIAL USE 14 I don’t recall. No. 1 MR. a : -- with lieutenant 1 ma ciate Warden. I don’t remember. i. a: remember learning that, on July 29th, 2019, the cameras stopped r MR. jf. BB: 9 this is wR. ER. From rding? hh h- a if) ct time you heard? out, I wouldn’t recording for two we That doesn't ma any think that that would be accurate? ve. 9. EE: No. EFTA00141906

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 1 MR. Ee : All right. Do you know 2 what stopped them from recording? just know that the ies) aj = H L 4 system was old, and it had a lot of problems. wi md a Okay. Do you know if 6 someone did, like, an improper shutdown, or ~] that power surge created it to shut off? i] 8 MR. i. a: They were on UPSs, and no 9 power surge that would have created it. It 10 would have just been mechanical. 11 MR. QJ: Okay. 2 MR. i. a : Or, yeah, yeah. MR. a : Just from age? 4 MR. i. a: Just from age, and wear ive) 15 and tear. Yes. 16 MR. Ee : Okay. And again, on 7 August 8th, you don’t recall ever having 8 conversations with anybody regarding these 9 cameras, or first learning on August 8th that 20 the cameras went down? 21 MR. i. a : August 8th? The day 22 before? I don’t really recall (Indiscernible 23 *00:09:09). 24 MR. a : And you don’t recall tion with Lieutenant 25 having the convers EFTA00141907

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 1 | and AW ia. about the cameras not 2 recording on August 8th, 2019? On Thursday? MR. i. a : No. I don’t recall. 4 MR. a : You don’t. Do you C ies) 5 remember them, towards the end of your shift, 6 bringing you in the office because they 7 couldn’t get the recordings to rewind, and 8 asked you to fix the problem? wo F MR. i. a : On the 8th? 10 MR. QJ: «on the 8th. 11 MR. i. a: Hmm. I don’t recall that. No. N ive) Fs) Do you remember having - 4 at any time - a conversation prior to Epstein’s 5 death, with lieutenant, with Lieutenant oO HM anc aw BP 7 MR. i. a: Together? At the same No. I don’t recall it. Yeah. 9 MR. Ee : What about separately? 20 MR. fj. HBB: 9 Separately, probably. We 21 probably talked about it. But not together. Les] rt b- 3 tt) 23 MR. a : Well, do you recall the 24 conversations that you had, then, prior to 25 Epstein dying on the - or being found - on the EFTA00141908

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 w ~] wo 10 11 10th. What conversations did you have with each of those individuals? MR. i. a : Right. I was just busy working. On the 10th, the day it happened, or -? MR. a : No. Prior to the 10th. So, the 8th, the 9th, or anywhere back to the July 29th, really. MR. i. a : Oh. That we were working on the problem, trying to figure out what was causing it, and that’s when I ordered new hard drives to replace all the drives. That was my next step. That’s what I was going to do that day. But I couldn’t. MR. a : And what made you do that, though? Who told you to replace the hard drives? MR. i. a : Talking through SigNet, and the former com tech, a. he’s the computer services manager and we talked about buying hard drives. I actually got a purchase order, too. Yeah. MR. a : So, who was the computer service manager? EFTA00141909

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LIMITED 1 OFFIC you spell the first and last née ame? I'm sorry. MR. a : =] 3reat And who was that person? EFTA00141910

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 wo 1 that present time - he was the computer WwW 5 z o Fr ; . w a c poet iy U oO a oD = w a 7 MR. i. a: Yes. 9 MR. i. a : No. It’s just, I talked 10 to him about computer stuff, because he knows a 11 little bit more than I do. That’s his 2 specialty. ive) Fs) Okay. What was his kind 4 of, like, job role at the time? 5 MR. i. a : His job role was to take care of the computers. Infrastructure of the oO building. Lee) 5 Okay. 20 MR. Ee : And what was the 21 conversation you had with him, and where? 22 MR. i. a: I think, that’s when we 23 were talking about actually just replacing all 24 of the hard drives because they keep failing 25 all the time So, the next step was to replace EFTA00141911

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 all the hard drives. MR. a : And do you remember when you had that conversation? MR. I. a : A few days before this happened. And we’ve had numerous conversations about this for weeks because - and probably months - because of the way the hard drives kept failing. The drives would, the recorders would stop working. MR. a : So, did you know, then, a few days before this? I'm assuming, when you say “this,” August 9th, 2019, that the hard drives had failed? MR. 9. HB: SIs knew it was a possibility they failed. At the time, or the before I left, I knew everything was working. MR. ae : Before you left when? MR. i. a : I'm not too sure, but I'm just saying, like, overall, as far as, like, as far as everything recording, because I’ve checked the recorders. It looked like everything was recording. MR. a : What day are you speaking about, though? MR. I. aa : Oh, specifically, before EFTA00141912

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 21 1 the incident happened, on the 9th. 2 MR. a : So, on the 9th, everything was recording? 4 MR. i. a: Well, when I checked it, of course it wasn’t recording. That’s why I ies) w 6 went up there to check. co a MR . i. a: It was not recording. when is the oO a i=) first time you found was not 1 recording? 2 MR . i. a: Oh. I guess the 9th. Everybody keep saying the 8th, but I don’t 5 ive) 4 really remember the 8th. and F oO } i rt a 7] rr = a a 5 ) ec | | Lee) 5 | 1 y o oO fs] saying you had the Well, I had the 21 conversation before, with i. it what I w 22 was going to do next. 24 MR. i. a: Because it happened 25 before, so the next st was just to replace EFTA00141913

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 23 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) MR. I. a: No. Some time around that time, because I have to get the purchase, I have to get the parts to make the repairs, or change the drives out. MR. a : All right. So, until we go over this, I'm going to run through these, just so we keep on track. But it sounds like I'm going to have to show you these documents, to help maybe clarify some things. MR. §. ER: 0 Mn-hm. MR. Ee : Do you know, did you know that the recorders - th fw rt the cameras weren’t recording prior to August 93th, 2019? MR. I. a: Yeah. I know there was failures in the system. Yes. MR. Ee : So, you knew that they were not recording? MR. i. a : Not that day. But I know that, overall, there was going to be system failures. MR. a : And did you know that it was half of them, all on DVR-1 or 2? MR. I. a: I wasn’t too sure what it was. EFTA00141915

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) MR. i. a: But I know there was a failure. I didn't check to see exactly where MR. a : So, you knew there was a t 9t in failure with the or) ystem, prior to Augu You just didn't know what the failure was? MR. i. a: Yes. MR. a : And how did you know MR. i. a: Well, I would have to go if there was there was no recorder videos, live videos, but there was no recorder video. MR. ae : So, you personally had checked to see if there were recorded video? MR. ae : And when did you do that? MR. i. a: I had, well, I had checked that day, before I had to go upstairs to look ts) at everything. MR. i. a: August 9th. Yes. MR. a : So, that’s where I'm saying. So, when you say, prior to the time, you’re talking about the same day, August 9th, EFTA00141916

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ho wi 1 is when you checked the -- 2 MR. i. a: Checked the recording. a : -- the recording. Prior to August 9th, did ies) i w a 6 you check the recording to see if it was 8 MR. i. a: Multiple times before. wo « o if) 10 MR. a : And were they recorded? 11 MR. i. a: From what I believe, N na a =] 1?) rt rt Oo 12] “ i= KK @ ive) Fs) Okay. Would you check 4 that system to check on the recordings, every 5 day? 16 MR. i. a: No. There was nothing 7 that says I have to check it. 9 MR. i. a: The thing with the 20 recorders is, I'm not really supposed to, like, 21 mess with the s I just, I'm maintenance. 22 I'm not really supposed to, like, oh, today, I w , that’s their job to tell me, hey, a. No ion) 1o 9) ho there is no video, or something, there is a No w problem. EFTA00141917

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ioe) w io ioe) a know that Q vind, an spoke to I checked it. I'm not too MR. a : But it would have been based upon someone requesting you to do so? MR. Ee : And you believe that happened on the 9th? MR. aa: Hey, a. You hear us fine now? don’t know why the call dropped. MR. i. a: Mm-hmm. MR. aa: Okay. MR. a : All right. I apologi w we were EFTA00141918

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 just talking about the recording and how Mr. HMMM would not go in and review a recording without someone requesting him to do so. He doesn't recall specifically who made that request for him to review the recording, but he believes that he reviewed the recording on the 9th, and that’s when he determined that it wasn’t recording properly. Is that correct? MR. i. a : Yes. MR. a : All right. And you - and again - you don’t remember why you were reviewing that recording? MR. I. a : No. Because we’re in the middle of a -. Well, no, this -. Before Epstein happened, we were in the middle of a camera project, we had people TDY. So, I was, like, the lead in the building, trying to tell everybody what needs to get done. And I think the day before, I was on 10 South, I was putting in a rack or something, so I was busy that day, and I had a TDY guy on me. MR. a : And when you - on the 8th? MR. I. a: Yeah. MR. a: You got a TDY guy with EFTA00141919

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LIMITED ioe) w io ioe) its) OFFICIAL USE 1 which facility he came MR. §. BR: No.) soI'm not MR. Ee : You don’t know the first name? MR. ae : After the interview, can you just see if you can identify person is, and then send me an email? EFTA00141920

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 2 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) \o MR. I. a: Yeah. He was with me. We were together all day because we were doing the piping, and trying to put the rack in. MR. a : And what is a rack? MR. I. a : Where the -. Well, for the new camera system, that’s where the power supply, the switch would go, the camera feed, the cat five cables would go. Everything will go on the rack. MR. a : So, it had to do with the MR. i. a : The upgrading the new MR. ae : Is that anything that could have possibly caused the cameras to stop recording? MR. I. a: No. That’s -. Nothing was hooked up. It was just the hardware. There was no wiring or nothing. MR. QJ: Okay. So, that could not have affected the camera? MR. I. a: The camera MR. a : All right. And do you remember, prior to August 93th, checking on the ? No. 7] camera system, though, to make sure it was EFTA00141921

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 30 1 recording? 2 MR. i. a: Yes. After we had the problem, yes. 4 MR. a : No, no, no. Prior to the ies) wi wo rt a Oo MR. i. a: Yes. Prior to the 9th. 7 MR. a : And when did you check on, prior, like, how many days before? Do you co remember? 10 MR. i. a: I don’t really remember. 11 MR. Ee : Are you talking about, 2 like, a few days leading up, a day leading up, wo ive) or are you talking about, like, a month or two? 4 MR. i. a: Maybe, like, weeks. Not months. It wouldn’t have been a month. 16 MR. Ee : Like, a few weeks? 7 MR. i. a: Yeah, because I had to w 8 order the parts. I don’t know when I ordered 9 the parts. But I had to know that they weren’t 20 working. 21 MR. ae : But I thought you just 22 said that they were working, and you only 23 ordered them as preventative maintenance? 24 mR. 9. BM: 9wWell, 1 - yeah -. Well, 25 they weren’t working before. So, I had to EFTA00141922

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 32 w ~] wo 10 11 there, but again, you ordered that because there was a problem with the -- MR. i. a : Recorders. MR. a : -- with the recorders -- MR. §. BJ: ves. MR. a : -- you fixed that problem. MR. I. a: Temporarily. But I knew it was going to happen again. And the best thing to do was replace all the drives. MR. a : Okay. So, you knew that it would stop recording again? MR. I. a : I knew there was going to be a problem again. Yes. MR. a : Okay. And what made you know that MR. I. a: Talking to the vendor, and talking to a. and the age of the unit, because it was, like, 15 years old. And the fact that it’s on 365, 24 days, and on 24 hours a day, like, it just constantly goes on. And then, when you try to do maintenance, something as simple as changing the time, the recording would stop for, like, a whole day, day and a half. Because for the drives rebuilding, you =) f EFTA00141924

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) wo ios) have to change the time. MR. a : Okay. MR. i. a : And before all of this happened, I actually put in a camera project. That’s why I was in the middle of a camera project, to replace everything. MR. a : Now, when you say that the people you spoke to, you mentioned i. and then, you said the customer service people MR. 9. BM: 9Yeah. SigNet. MR. a : -- Signet. MR. i. a : Yeah. Mainly Justin Houston, and I would talk to him. MR. a : Justin Houston was your main point of contact? MR. i. a: Yes. MR. a : What about a Jeff McKenzie? Would you recall -? MR. 9. BBM: 9s Jeff was the one that came after Epstein. That’s the guy that showed up when we had to put in the new drives. Because we ordered the new -. We ordered the new recorders. But everything was downstairs in the basement. And we weren’t really a priority EFTA00141925

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 34 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 on the list until, of course, Epstein happened. That’s when SigNet came the next day, and put the new recorders in. MR. a : Okay. So, prior to August 10th, 2019, your main point of contact was SigNet, with Jeff Houston? MR. I. a : Justin. MR. a : I mean, Justin. MR. i. a : Justin Houston. Yes. MR. a : And what was his role and responsibility with SigNet? MR. i. a : He is just, like, the guy we will call if there is a problem, or if training, or if I don't know the system. Because, like, this system, I never had training on it. So, like, when I saw it, because the last institution I was, was, like, maybe two versions ahead of this one. So, when I saw this recording, I was, like, this stuff is old, like, I don’t know anything about it. Like, what should I do? So, I called Justin, and Justin, like, pretty much would walk me through trouble shooting, if there is a problem. MR. a: And what was the system EFTA00141926

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE Ww C MR. Ee : So, it will automatically shift over to the other drive? MR. i. a : To the other slot. Yes. And then, when two drives go bad, that’s when all the recordings stop. difference between ours, where i the n 103) is) =] o ' H n of the 16 like, in DVR-1, if one goes bad, oi] that’s not a problem. As soon as the second drive goes bad, then that’ if when you have a problem. And that’ i when the recording would stop. Oh. The drive went bad. One of them? Two of them. Two of them -- I believe. -- did go bad? EFTA00141928

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 42 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 or you left, or something like that, how would someone gain access to that? MR. i. a : That’s something they would have to try to figure out, but yeah. I don’t -. MR. a : But to your knowledge, you’re the only person that had the password to access Supervision? MR. i. a : Yes. MR. a : Okay. And SigNet wouldn’t be able to remote in? MR. i. a : No. They have no access to remote in. That’s BOP. They don’t want them to be able to backdoor remote into anything. MR. Ee : Okay. And when did you - MR. i. a : Oh. Well, they -. The old system, they were able to, if you had a 56K (Phonetic Sp. *00:25:06) modem, they were able to do maintenance, and tell me, like, the status of the drives. But I would have to physically hook up 56k modem. But at the time, that wasn’t hooked up. Because we did some repairs before, when I was trying to figure EFTA00141934

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 43 1 s rt uff out, and I couldn’t figure it out, where 2 they would - through a modem - they would ies) remote into the -. Well, I would have to grant he drives, to help with 5 6 So, how -- 7 And we’ve done that 8 9 -- SO, Y had to grant 10 couldn’t go in there -- No -- without your -. ive) Physically. And 4 physically, you 5 MR. So, you are the one and t oO a co only person with acce remotely, that could 9 have accessed those servers? 21 MR. ae : Okay. And do you 22 remember the last time you would have w Q 0 i) ty a 1) Q 23 that application? 24 MR. i. a: I have no idea. 25 MR. a : No? Would it have been EFTA00141935

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 44 w ~] ive) leading up to August 93th, 2019? MR. I. a: Probably. Yeah. MR. a : And do you know around how long before that? ve. 9. BE: No. MR. a : Is there a way to determine? Do they have, like, some thing that you can see when your last log ons were, or anything like that? MR. I. a: You could call computer services, then they could tell you my keystrokes or whatever, whatever I logged into. But that’s, like, the only time. Yeah. MR. QR: Okay. MR. i. a : But there is really nothing to say when I logged in. MR. ae : But to your recollection, you were not accessing Supervision at all? MR. I. a: Hmm. I mean, they showed me how to do some stuff on it, but I don’t really even think I remembered how to - at that time - I don’t really remember. MR. a : But the point being, in this case, you didn't find out the recordings had stopped because of that application, EFTA00141936

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 45 1 Supervision. Correct? 2 MR. i. a: I don't believe so. No. 3 MR. a : Okay. And you did not 4 take the cameras, or recordings, offline from 5 Supervision. Correct? 6 MR. 9. BBM: No. 3 Iccan't. Yeah. No. 7 I’ve never been able to do that. no. 8 MR. a : So, you don’t even -. 9 Sorry. I thought you told me before you could 10 do it. DO you think -- 11 MR. i. a: You have access to do it, 2 yes, if you are in Supervision. Yeah. There 3 is stuff you can do on Supervision to stop the 4 recordings. Yes. 15 MR. a : Now, if you weren’t 16 really familiar with the application, is it 7 possible that you were in there, and you 8 accidentally knocked them offline? 9 ve. §. BE: vo. 20 MR. QM: Okay. 21 MR. i. a : I wouldn’t knock anything 22 offline 23 MR. a : No. You don’t believe 24 so 25 vk. §. EE: vo. EFTA00141937

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 55 ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) So, if it did happen on the 8th, I don’t really remember the 8th. I remember the 9th more specifically. But it did happen on the 8th. I would have went to the room, and just replaced the drives, because that’s the only thing I would do. MR. a : All right. I'm going to skip ahead and do, I'm going to read you - and I’1l continue on with this - I'm going to -- MR. Ee : -- read you the FBI interview report from when you -- MR. §. EJ: 9 Mm-nrn. MR. ae : -- do you remember, you said that you were interviewed by the FBI? MR. i. a: Yes. I was. MR. ae : All right. So, this say you were interviewed by the FBI on March 12th, 7) 2020. Is that correct? MR. §. HB: Ssves. MR. ae : All right. So, I'm going to just read, I’1l just read the whole thing, so that we’re not missing anything. It say “On March 12, 2020, | a. "it your date of birth and telephone number, “was het 7] . n n ay EFTA00141947

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ow C 1t United States 1 interviewed by Task Force Officer Detective 4 Po (Phonetic Sp. *00:32:45), and Ww " f=) Q Ww nN No w Southern District of New York, 1 St. Andrew Plaza, New York, New 8 York. During the interview, | provided ts) ct ah o following details.” Does 10 corre 11 Yes 2 And we’re just going to 3 stop paragraph, to have you -- 4 Mm-hmm 5 -- to check in with you 16 ‘i started working for the Bureau of 7 Prisons in 2003, and worked in both New York 8 and Indiana. | had some college 9 education, was in the United States Marine 20 Corps for four years, and had ten years’ 21 experience in " yrrect? No No Ww Nm OD K 2 0] Lal n 5 N c a oO) = fu 7) ID i= ct 24 in charge of all the cameras at the 25 Metropolitan Correct Center (MCC). r EFTA00141948

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 57 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 advised that the cameras at MCC were out of date. The recorders frequently went bad, and the cameras were all analog, and not maintained properly.” MR. I. a : Yes. MR. a : “The camera system was over 20 years old. Sometimes, the screen would be active, indicating that the camera was working. However, the video would not be recording.” MR. I. a : Yes. MR. a : yo advised that only one hard drive of the camera system was working, at the time of the incident, on August 10th, 2019. When a DVR went bad, none of the cameras recorded. There was a system failure of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019, and the motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 2019. The hard drive failure occurred on August 10th, 2019.” Is that something that you provided to them? MR. I. a : Yeah. I probably did. Yes. MR. a : So, can you just explain to me what we’re talking about here, because it EFTA00141949

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 59 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 I had to call with Justin, I contacted another BOP facility, and then, I took the computer apart, and he just pretty much replaced the motherboard, and got the DVR-2 to start working. MR. QJ: «on the 29th? MR. I. a : If that’s what it says, yes. MR. a : Well, it just says -. It doesn't say when you got it to stop working. It just says there was a system failure of DVR- 2 on July 29th, 2019. MR. I. a : I believe they probably spoke to Signet then. I'm not too sure with the dates because everything is -. I’ve been super busy. The dates, I'm not really good with. MR. a : Okay. But on July 29th, 2019, with the system failure, would have that stopped the recordings? MR. i. a: Yes. A system failure would have stopped the recordings. MR. a : Okay. And is it your understanding that, after July 29th, the recordings were working? EFTA00141951

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 60 1 MR. §. EB: ves. 2 MR. QM: 4.11 right. t 4 logged into Nice Vision, and he would have seen 7] ies) i w ecause he would have w things was working. 6 MR. a : But I thought you said 8 MR. i. a: And that’s, well -- a : -- you’ll only see if it was working, if it was live feed. I thought wo F i=) 11 you said MR. i. a: No. If you log into the Nice Vision, with the live feed, you would i) wouldn’t see recording. N ive) 4 think everything is still recording because 5 everything looks green. It’s when you try to 16 play back the video and, like, oh, wow, there’s 7 nothing being recorded. That’s when you would 8 know there is a problem. So, if somebody has -- 21 MR. ae : -- the way you check -- -- to pull the video. No 5 -- like, the way you to rewind video? No w Qa a oO 0 a oO on = wu n ct oO ct kK k EFTA00141952

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 61 1 MR. I. a: Yeah. That’s the only way 2 you could check it, is try to pull video from 5 aware, though, on July 29th, 2019, it stopped 6 recording, but your understanding was that you ~] got it to work again? 8 MR. I. a: Yes. Everything started working again. 10 MR. a : All right. And do you wo 11 know if you checked on it for say, let’s say 2 the 30th of July, or -? 3 MR. I. a : I was in the middle of a 4 project, so I can't say I was just focused on 15 that, because there was a lot going on. 16 MR. Ee : So, you only recall that 7 you would have checked on the 29th? 8 ve. 9. BB: 9 Yeah. 9 MR. J: 0f suly. 20 MR. 9. BM: 9s veah. 1 don’t think I 21 would have had reason to check, unless somebody 22 told me it wasn’t working. 23 MR. a : Okay. And it says, “And 24 the motherboard failed on DVR-2, on August 8th, 25 2019.” What does that mean? EFTA00141953

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 62 1 MR. i. a: So, the motherboard, 2 that’s the one I had to get replaced on August Ww co rt = ~ ho oO bh 5 August 8th. And you’ve been saying that you 6 first learned on August 9th. So, where does this come into play? How do we know that the 8 motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 9 2019? 10 MR. i. a: August 8th. That’s the 11 motherboard I wrote, I must have replaced. 2 Because I remember replacing a motherboard. 3 MR. a : And what does a 4 motherboard do? What is that? 5 MR. 9. BJ: 9 when did this happen? e Epstein, that was -- ims f fo] a 0 6 ke ct fom im 3 Q happened on t 7 MR. ae : Epstein was the 10t Lee) 5 = 1 | _ Oo rt a 21 MR. ae : -- so, just so we’re not 22 running in circles -- 23 MR. i. a: -- yeah, that -. 24 MR. a : -- let me just read you 25 the SigNet service call, as well. EFTA00141954

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE 63 MR. fj. HB: = Yeah. MR. a : So, this is the SigNet service request, number 24975. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. a H t n wu ke a) w nm o Bb .Q 3 oO Q ct Oo 4 oO fh rh Mm-hmm. MR. a : -- Jeff McKenzie -- Mm-hmm. (Indiscernible MR. Ee : -- and Justin Houston. Date created, August 8th, 2019. MR. ae : And then, if we go down and we look at the, well, we’ll read the MR. a : So, there is a comment by Jeff McKenzie on August 8th, 201 oO rt , at 3:38 p.m. Unable to locate anything The basic steps as follows. One, set the raid level to none and sav om Hi rt will restart it with all drives being J. Replace any faulty drives. Two, set the raid It will restart and EFTA00141955

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 65 1 MR. Ee : -- to become available 2 for the raid array. | did not have drives readily available.” 4 MR. §. EE: «0 n-hm.. a : “He checked with his 6 local CSM,” which 7 MR. i. a: Mm-hmm. ies) w 3) ain -- 8 id was -- 9 10 “To 2 located replacement drives on Fri i) WwW oo rt = : a o did not have access them. He called SigNet for phone kK o ue) re wu Qa o support, on Saturday, August 10th -- 7 MR. ae : -- when he gained access t oO a Les] rt 0 ct a i) Ls Del K 2) is) 5 9 MR. §. EJ: 9 Mn-prn. 20 MR. Ee : “He attempted to replace 21 the drives, and they started to rebuild. 22 During the rebuild process of the drives, the 23 drives were required to be taken out of the 24 raid on DVR-2.” EFTA00141957

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 66 1 MR. Ee : “Once the drives are 2 removed without proper shutdown of the ies) recorder, the video database becomes corrupted. 4 Typically, any time the raid on a raid five w configuration loses two drives -- 7 MR. a : -- the raid needs to be 8 rebuilt, and all data is wiped from the raid.” MR. i. a : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. MR. a : Do you want to just 11 review that yourself? wR. 9. HJ: 9 uh-huh. So that I'm not wo i=) N Fs just ive) Fs) 4 reading it to you, and tell me if that sounds Yes. That sounds a little t oO a = 7 bit better, like, what happened. Lee) 5 os So, is this now 9 refreshing your recollection that, actually, on 20 August 8th, is when you found out? 21 MR. I. a: Yes. Okay. It was the 22 8th, EFTA00141958

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 67 1 the 8th that someone told you that the 2 recorders -- 3 MR. i. a : (Indiscernible *00:40:04), 4 and I probably went to go look at the room. 5 Yes. And then, I probably went back the next 6 day, on the 9th, because the Thursday, when he 7 told me to put the drives in, I probably went 8 to put the drives in, and replace them. And 9 then, Friday, is when I'm stopped to see if the i=) drives finished that rebuilding. 11 MR. Ee : I'm sorry. Can you 2 repeat this again? What happened? 3 MR. i. a : Ok Okay. Now, it’s 4 making more sense. 5 So, on the 8th, was it - 16 it Lieutenant | that Lee) 5 = Somebody told me what was 20 MR. QJ: &t the time, was there Lieutenant oO No No wi BOP | ! | k fs] bh rt | EFTA00141959

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LIMITED ies) w co ive) oO co OFFICIAL USE 69 > was spare drives on the room - so, probably started to rebuild on the 8th. I'm not too really important for us to get you to try to All right. Well, this is remember. big piece of this, the fact that h, I know, but I -- I was doing, like, a million things, and I’ve been doing a million things after, like -- MR. : Sure. MR. i. a: -- this happened. MR. a : So, on the 8th, you actually believe that, from reading this -- actually did try to rebuild on the 8th -- MR. i. a: Yes. MR. a : -- and not on the 10th? This. Yes. EFTA00141961

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LIMITED ies) w co wo ive) co OFFICIAL USE 73 MR. jf. BB: «No. And that’s -- MR. a : -- and then, you went on where, like, on, in detail about -- MR. QJ: -- like, who would approved it -- MR. 9. HB: «No. What -- MR. a : -- would it have been a: Would it have The captain? MR. i. a: I don’t know who approved it, but we were already working on the camera < project. So, that’s what I was doing. MR. Ee : So, you weren’t -- MR. i. a: -- this had nothing to do ay. deal with this. And if I said, okay, I’11 deal with it tomorrow, I probably, said, okay, I don’t have time today, I could deal with it first thing in the morning tomorrow. EFTA00141965

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 81 1 Yeah. So, it was probably later, in the end of 2 the day, I had all the drives, and I went to go 3 replace them. And that’s when I couldn’t go in 4 the room. 5 MR. a : Okay. And then, you 6 talked to | | at that time, and said you would 7 be back on Saturday to do it? 8 MR. i. a: Yeah. Yeah. 9 MR. QJ: 411 right. Now, in 10 talking to Lieutenant a. she explained 11 that this was an extremely urgent matter, and 2 that she spoke to - she wrote a memo on it. 3 And she talked to the captain, and they said, 4 make sure you get this done today. And that -- c wi a = K oO ri o 16 MR. Ee : -- on the 10th, when she 22 MR. ae : -- okay. 23 MR. i. a: -- that doesn't -. 24 Because this thing happened so many times, as 25 I’ve been there. Like, why would this day be EFTA00141973

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE B82 ~] wo 10 11 different from the months leading up to it, where this kept happening? Like, why would -. I know Epstein happened. Everybody is trying MR. QM: Yeah. MR. i. a: -- okay, this is what happened, but before that, nobody even cared. To be honest with you. MR. QJ: so -- MR. I. a: I'm just going to be honest. Nobody cared that the drives were bad, or the recordings aren't working. Oh, those recorders weren’t working. Okay. Fix it, a. And then, we will go from there. But nobody, before Epstein. This was, like, a known thing. MR. ae : Okay. MR. i. a : Like, the drives would go bad. There would be no video. It was no big deal to anybody in that building. MR. a : Because you said, in every other institution, within the BOP -- MR. 9]. J: 9 Yeah. MR. a : -- this would have been very (Indiscernible *00:49:57). EFTA00141974

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 MR. I. a: This is a big deal. This is, like, you can't leave. You’ve got to stay here. MR. a : Well, that’s what she says, she said she actually wrote a memo, provided it to the captain, both said, yes, this has got to get done on the 8th. MR. I. a: Well, if that was the case, they would have gave me access and I would have stayed in the building. I would never get to go home. And that’s what I’ve done before in my other institution. Any time anything fails, or if there is a big failure, you stay until it’s fixed. MR. a : Right. And that’s where MR. I. a: And that’s what they are doing now. MR. Ee : -- what we’re trying to reconcile. ve. 9. BB: 9 Yeah. MR. ae : Because the memo was written on the 8th, provided to the captain. They said, “Make sure it’s fixed.” She’s saying that the next time she saw you, on the 83 EFTA00141975

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE B4 w ~] 10th, and finds out that the video wasn’t recorded, she says to you, why didn't you fix this on the 8th? MR. I. a : Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. And because it doesn't even take me a day to fix -. Those problems, it takes me a couple of days, because I have to rebuild drives. Even when I rebuild the drive, the next day it’s not going to work. MR. QJ: Right. MR. I. a : It’s going to take a couple of days. And after I rebuild the drives, you have no video from the days prior. I don't even know what video you have after the drives start working. You have to go look to see what video you have. MR. ae : Okay. So, again, I guess that’s the question of, why didn't you start working on it immediately, on the 8th? MR. J. HMM: 9 Because I have no idea. MR. I. a: Well, I was working on it, but yeah. MR. a : -- it was -. MR. jf. BJ: «But, like, it looks like, EFTA00141976

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co No N N ion) OFFICIAL USE oo wi it was a pattern of, okay, a. it’s a priority, but it’s not a priori 5 Okay. wrote a memo to the captain, ebody to s where ifs] there a memos before when this happened? MR. a : And then, we’ll have to w 7 a < + Q c i) n if) \ \ MR. a : -- (Indiscernible about previous memos. MR. i. a: Yeah. There’s got to be MR. ae : So, you don’t think that MR. i. a: No. I would not say that that’s accurate. I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus, but to say, like, this, this day, like, it’s bigger than any other time ) .Q it happened, like, come on, this has been happening for months now. EFTA00141977

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE B86 w ~] ive) MR. I. a: It’s been happening since I got in that building. And I was at a ct a b- 03) previous institution and like I said, if was a big deal, I wouldn’t even go home. a. you’ve got to stay for overtime. You’ve got to call SigNet. I'm going to give you the key for the room. MR. a : Well, that’s what they said that they did. Or at least Lieutenant | is saying that she told you that this is a big deal, you’ve got to do it. ve. 9. BB: sere. MR. a : Right now. And -- MR. I. a: Oh, yeah. Everybody is trying to cover their tracks. No. This is not th the oO ct case. I could honestly say this is no case. MR. QJ: 4.11 xcight. MR. I. a: And it has never been previous practice before. I had a facility *00:52: wi oO 5) ,my previous facility manager, I'm, like, hey, the first time this happened, I remember it because it was so weird to me that they told me to go home. I was, like, well, at EFTA00141978

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 my other jail, if something wasn’t working, I couldn’t leave. Like, if he radios go down, I have to stay there until the radios are fixed. Like, two months ago, the radios failed, and - oh, three months ago - they failed in Brooklyn. They called me from MCC New York, to go to Brooklyn to help them with their radio system. MR. QM: Right. MR. i. a : Their console. So, if that was the case, they would have called MCC to come, if I couldn’t stay to fix the problem. So, that’s never been previous practice over there. No. MR. QJ: Okay. MR. i. a : That’s, like, that’s news to me. MR. ae : Now, are you aware that the captain was notified? MR. I. a: He probably - he should have been notified. It’s the captain’s equipment every time the camera is not recording. MR. QJ: «11 right. So, but you do recall, you did speak on the 8th with the lieutenant, with an -- 87 EFTA00141979

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LIMITED ioe) w io ioe) its) OFFICIAL USE MR. MR. ith on on you remember, tho 10th, Lieutenant | saying, why y with I don’t even So, you don’t remember No. I don’t. reason it wasn’t Lieutenant | that you co the 8th? No. I a : You don’t believe you don’t -. remember don’t believe so. to EFTA00141980

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LIMITED ies) co io ioe) co OFFICIAL USE 89 MR. i. ae: No. I believe I spoke to MR. i. a: -- there is a problem. But other than that -- MR. i. ae: -- there is no reason for me to talk to anybody from $ MR. a : So, it’s a likely that it the 10th, Lieutenant | a wasn’t this fixed? MR. i. a: If she was there, yeah. EFTA00141981

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 90 1 that I read to you, from this, on the, you 2 know, on the 8th is when you determined; on the and on the 10th Ww its) ct a Co is ie] Oo c be oo =] ct .Q fu p- wu ie] Q fii) a) wn 4 is when you gained access to the DVR room -- Ww a = 5 i} o =| 5 6 MR. a : -- and you attempted to 7 replace the drives. Does that all sound 8 g That sounds 10 Yes i h- its] 1 MR. Ee : All right. 2 that, on the 8th, you found out; the 9th, you ive) couldn’t gain access -- 4 MR. i. a: (Indiscernible *00:54:11). f Co 5 Ee : -- and the 10th -. 7 MR. i. a: It was all (Indiscernible co * wi = w K i) 1] J 9 MR. Ee : Okay. So, now going 20 forward, though, we can at least have 21 MR. —f. BBB: 9 (indiscernible *00:54:18). 22 MR. a: -- 23 MR. §. ER: 24 MR. a : -- for what it is -- w ie) ial y of -- fu n rt t happened -- EFTA00141982

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 93 w ~] wo 10 11 that they actually located these dates on themselves? MR. i. a : Yeah. They probably would have to call SigNet to get the exact dates. MR. a : So, you don’t think that this is actually the information you provided them during the interview? MR. I. a: No. Because I wouldn’t have gave them -. There is no way I would have had that, or remembered this. No. MR. a : Okay. And then, saying that the motherboard failed on DVR-2, on August 8th, 2019. MR. I. a: That’s something -. Yeah. That’s information they would have got from SigNet. MR. ae : So, you don’t believe that this, you actually - this paragraph right here - that you told them? You think that they got that information -- MR. i. a: Yeah. They probably -- MR. ae : -- outside of your interview? MR. I. a: -- collaborated it with SigNet. Yes. Because me and - I don’t even EFTA00141985

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE remember exact dates today. So, like, there’s no way I could remember exact dates. All right. you want to follow up on that? MR i. a : No. I mean, yeah, it comes from -. Saying that the He’s No. not Sé ying that’s inaccurate. vn. 9. : but they probably found out dates. MR. He’s saying that he thinks that they got this information based upon another source, not from him. MR. i. a: Not from me. - just while we’re on this 302 - there is another part that s “After the incident, and that’s the Epstein incident. know. ME 3: I'm saying it’s accurate, ” EFTA00141986

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 95 ) ct .) o 0 wu 3 i] kK fw n WwW a] = Mm-hmm. 4 MR. a : Who asked 5 cameras? Do you recall? about the Les] a] on ra bP 3 3 fn) Q oS o on ct k 5 o fw tr] an oO jon a There were All right. © 3) install.” 12 MR. a : “But installing the new hard drives would mean that all prior data -- ioe) k I 2) wn i) w b b pp Q 1) ie] co MR. a : Oh. Lose all video or 19 lose all recording? EFTA00141987

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LIMITED ies) w co ioe) co OFFICIAL USE wo an MR. i. a: The two new drives, and verything would be gone. were looking for, it would be gone. So, 0] it would be gon start worki on the s MR. QJ: sso, at thi prior to replacing the new, the two new drives? MR. i. a: Well, this time, that’s when I probably started replacing the drive was it wa rt a 3 i) 7] MR. ae : -- if you replaced them and all recording gets -- MR. §. HB: 9 wiped MR. Ee : -- wiped. MR. ae : Then how would you be able to obtain the video? MR. i. a: Yeah, there is no video obtained. EFTA00141988

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LIMITED ies) w co wo ive) co OFFICIAL USE 97 MR. Ee : So, that’s what I'm just trying to make sense of what this states. So, “The Warden wanted video, so | -- MR. i. a: They wanted me to start -- MR. QJ: -- was told -.” MR. i. a: -- they wanted me to start that day recording video. We will get the recorder to work, MR. i. a: -- (Indiscernible MR. a : Well, he didn't want video of the incident -- MR. a : -- he wanted video to (Indiscernible *00 MR. i. a: And then, he was trying to see if there was video from the incident, and I'm, like, there is no video. And that’s when, the next day, I find out the the other recorder -- MR. i. a: -- that, yeah, that other camera. EFTA00141989

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE wo oo it. When you were saying the warden wanted forward, the video -- MR. i. a: The video. Yeah. MR. a : -- he wanted the recording to be working -- MR. i. a: Yeah. He -- MR. a : -- not the video of the incident. MR. i. a: -- well, they wanted a video of the incident, and the recorder to start working. I'm, like, there’s no video, there’s nothing I could do. I can't find any video. Fs = 5 = U 0 rt a 0 5 it was at that point, okay, we’ll get the recorder working, and do whatever you got to do to get the recorder working. ‘i started removing the bad drives in order to rebuild the DVR.” EFTA00141990

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LIMITED ies) w co ioe) co OFFICIAL USE wo to MR. Ee : Is that correct? ne that is) MR. a : So, are you the < Yeah. MR. a : And you -- And I labeled MR. Ee : -- and you put the new, MR. i. a: Yes. All right. K in the middle of And then, the FBI came and oO m them, if u pull out the driv going to have problems, there’s going to be corruption, because like I, like I told you before, you pull out two drives, like, rything is wiped. Even if there is a video EFTA00141991

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 100 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 from before. You just, you’re, like, out of luck. Because it’s going to -- MR. a : Now, can you just explain that? What is it that they pulled? MR. I. a : Two of the drives. MR. a : They pulled the two drives? MR. I. a: Yeah. Yeah. Because I was -. See, what happened was, I was going to start rebuilding the drives, so I labeled everything. It was, it was a mess. So, they wanted me to -. Let me if I can think about it. So, everything stopped working. I go in the room, J, you’ve got to get the recorder working. Well, I got to pull the drives out to get the recorder working. So, the two drives that I pulled out. And so, the two old drives, and the two new drives, I labeled them, because I knew that it was going to be a big thing. So, I got to pay attention to what I'm doing. And then, in the midst of all that, that’s when they took the drives, and said, hey, we need to stop doing everything. MR. a : So, who is it that actually pulled the bad drives out? You or the EFTA00141992

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 101 1 FBI? 2 MR. i. a: I pulled the bad drives out to replace them with good drives. Yes. 4 MR. a : And you put the two new drives in? MR. i. a: Drives in. Yes. 7 MR. QM: sso, what is it that the ies) w oO 8 FBI pulled? 9 MR. i. a : They pulled all the 10 drives. 11 MR. Ee : So, you were rebuilding 2 it. And when you rebuilt it, they came in and ive) they just pulled them all out? 4 MR. i. a: Yeah. They would pull 15 them all. 16 MR. Ee : So, it was never able to 7 rebuild? oO a3 All right. So, they 20 pulled all the drives. And so, when they said 21 the Is that different from - 22 MR. i. a: Yeah. The DVR because 23 they pulled everything from DVR-1, and that was 24 the one that wasn’t working. And then, DVR-2, 25 the one that was working, the next day, I had EFTA00141993

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LIMITED w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No Nm No ion) OFFICIAL USE 102 to get all the - well, the same day - I could get all the important parts of the prison on DVR-1, that wasn’t working, on DVR-2, which I probably should have done the day before, but - MR. QJ: so, it’s DvR-2 that we’re speaking about. Correct? MR. i. a: Yes. That was the good drive. DVR. DVR-2 is the good drive. DVR-1 is the bad drive. MR. a : Okay. So, DVR-1 -- MR. i. a: That’s not - no - that’s not what you said before. all good. DVR-2 went bad. MR. §. EB: ves. MR. a : Okay. So, DVR-2 was the bad drive. @ n EFTA00141994

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 103 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. a : So, as far as DVR-2 being the bad drive, is the DVR, is that the 16 drives, or is there a separate box -- MR. I. a : No. It’s the 16 drives, and then, you have, like, the brain, some motherboard, you know, the other computer on the bottom, but -. MR. a : So, when you say, when they say that the FBI agent was the one who pulled out the DVR, you’re talking about all 16 MR. i. a : All the, they probably pulled the -- MR. QJ: -- drives and motherboard. MR. I. a: -- they probably pulled -. Yeah. They probably took all of the recordings. But they had to take -. When I'm talking about that the next day, because we already had the new set, when all this happened, SigNet came the next day, and we had the new system up and running. Everything was in boxes. So, he had to just come in and install it. EFTA00141995

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. took ioe) 4 came w ts] un fw ke 15) would be wiped. ioe) wou 24 MR 25 MR both drives and just took it a se: = verything. of that. DVR-1 Th by replacing both , the next day, the FBI and 2. on the llth, the FBI ey took it all. verything? ll right. Okay. advised that he knew the hard drives, ow, when you say, - that was on it before? -hing is gone. far do know how EFTA00141996

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LIMITED ~] wo 10 11 OFFICIAL USE 105 ve. §. BE: vo. MR. a : So, was that the case, could have we obtained video off of those -? MR. I. a: Other drives? Yes, before I started rebuilding. Yes. But that’s what I was told to do. So, that’s what I was (Indiscernible *01:02:17). MR. a : So, just explain that. What could have we got off of it? And you’re talking about DVR-2 now, the bad drive. Right? MR. I. a: DVR-1 is the bad drive. MR. a : So, this is where I'm getting confused. I thought we just said that DVR-2 is the bad drive. I’ve got to get this straight. a. you just - I thought we said, we did say that, but then you just chimed in and said it was DVR-2 that was bad. Which one was it? DVR-1 or 2 that was bad? MR. 9. BB: = bvr-1 is bad. MR. jf. HB: )9sIn the initial part of the interview, he stated that DVR-2 went bad, and DVR-1 drives were all good. MR. a : All right. Because yeah, on the Jeff thing, it says -- MR. I. a : Yeah, because everything EFTA00141997

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 106 1 was on DVR-2. 2 MR. a : -- “He attempted to 3 replace the drives, and he started to rebuild. 4 During the rebuild process of the drives, the raid on were required to be 7 MR. i. a: Yeah. I would say on DVR- o No H 5 n i) RK Rk wo i=) 1 MR. i. a: The bad drive. Yes. 2 MR. a : All right. So, on 3 the bad drive -- 4 MR. §j. EE: 5 MR. a : -- could video have been K o wu o f fo] ie) > ct fu im 5 1) QQ co doing anything. Yes. 9 MR. Ee : So, prior to you pulling 20 them out, we may have been able to obtain video 21 from the 9th? 22 MR. |. BR: umm. No. EFTA00141998

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 107 1 MR. QJ: «411 right. 2 MR. i. a: Because you had two bad drives. 4 MR. a : So, what video are you talking about when we said we could have ies) w 6 obtained 1 7 MR. i. a: Oh, well, saying that here is c n rt c hh Mh ‘i possibility in the background, wu 9 two bad drives that stuff 10 recording over it, but that’s azz. Like, I don’t know nN A y ive) a) So, in ae: 4 MR. i. a: But saying that -. 3 a: -- it sounds like, okay, saying that -- & oO it is possible that we could have gotten video Lee) 5 = Video. Ee : -- for August 9th and wo 5 20 10th. 22 Not a strong possibility, but yeah. 23 MR. a : So, it is possible, but 24 once the two drives -- if) a possibility. o its) EFTA00141999

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 109 1 MR. QJ: «411 right. 2 MR. i. a: That’s nothing above me. 3 your only course of 4 two bad drives? 5 6 would, regardless, 7 some point, deleted? 8 wo F And you were -. Who i=) tructed you to actually pull out those two 11 bad drives? MR. i. a: I would just have to - I probably talked to N ive) gNet, or -. Well, and I 4 told § this before, like, if I pulled two drives, there is no video, especially if it was ad bad. 7 MR. ae : Did you talk to anybody oO 8 on August 10th, prior to pulling them, that 9 there was a possibility that video of the 20 Epstein incident could have been retrieved? 21 ve. 9. EE: vo. 22 MR. ae : So, you didn't tell 23 anybody that? 24 MR. i. a: I'm not saying I didn't 25 tell anybody that, but that was -. I think EFTA00142001

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 110 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 that’s something I found out later. Because that’s when SigNet was talking to me. But that’s not something I would have known before Epstein. MR. QJ: 4.11 right. MR. i. a: Because that was something we talked about, like, the days after that happened. MR. a : Because this 302 says, yo advised that an FBI agent was the one who pulled out the DVR. | also advised that he knew that, by replacing both hard drives, the system would be wiped, and that he had advised personnel at MCC of that.” MR. i. a : Mm-hmm. There would be no video. MR. ae : When did you do that? MR. i. a : Before I started doing anything. If I'm going to change drives, you’re going to know, like, it’s -. Because I know this was going to be bigger than just me fixing the recorders. Like, there is other things that are going to happen, but I'm going to tell you, hey, if I do this, this is what’s going to happen. EFTA00142002

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LIMITED ies) w co wo ive) co OFFICIAL USE MR. Ee : But I thought you just 111 said that that’s something you found out later. MR. i. a : Later. But no, as far there being video on kg MR. i. a: Yeah. As far MR. i. a: -- me pulling that before as -- drives, I already that’s what happened time, when I replaced two drives, that there was no old new video. "i rt ct 0] video. It was ju MR. a : So, on the 10th, your understanding, that there was no video from the 9th -- MR. jf. BB: «oor the 10th. MR. ae : -- or 10th. MR. i. a: Yes. That was my understanding. MR. Ee : So, therefore, yeah, and at that time, you didn't know that there was a were recording EFTA00142003

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 113 w ~] looking for ones and zeros, and if nothing is lined up, from what the SigNet explained to me, is one drive being bad is not really a problem, because the other drives are going to -. It’s the redundant. So, it’s the backup, it’s going to take over for that drive that’s not working. MR. Ha: Okay. MR. I. a: But now, since this drive is not working, and this one that’s working is taking, any drive is taking over for this drive, and that drive goes bad, that means we have two bad drives. That means nothing is going to be recording. MR. a: So, they work in conjunction - MR. jf. HB: 9 Yeah. MR. a: -- with the other one? ve. §. BB: 9 Yeah. MR. a: But the death of -- MR. jf. HB: 9s The redundant. MR. a: -- the death of one -- MR. jf. BBB: 9 (indiscernible *01:07:27). MR. a: -- is (Indiscernible *01:07:25). Gotcha. MR. I. aa : And then, when they both EFTA00142005

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 114 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 die, you’re done. MR. a: Gotcha. And there’s no way to recover anything? MR. I. a : Well, at the time, they told me no, and then they said, well, there is a possibility that it could have been recording MR. a: Yeah. MR. i. a : -- in the background, after the fact. MR. a: Okay. MR. i. a : But that was something more technical than my understanding, because at the time, if something goes bad, just, you know, take the drives out, put it in. And then, this became a bigger thing. So now, we're, like, well, there was still kind of a possibility that more things would have been happening. From my understanding. That’s what SigNet told me. MR. a: Okay. MR. a : All right. And then, for clarity purposes, when - again, on the 8th, you found out that this was an issue, and that you had to replace the drives -- EFTA00142006

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 116 1 MR. i. a: Because he has all the 2 hard drives in the building. Like, me having ies) the hard drives is not part of my job 4 description. But -- 5 MR. QJ: 411 right. So -- 6 MR. i. a: -- I could have them, but 7 he’s got more, like, readily available ones. 8 And everything that I had was from the old 9 stuff that wasn’t working from before. 10 MR. QJ: okay. 11 MR. i. a: So, if I pulled something 2 from that, something that wasn’t working 3 before, I don’t know if it was bad. That’s why 4 it’s on the shelf. Because nothing was labeled 15 bad. It was just on the shelf. That’s, it was 16 amess, that whole area was a mess. 7 MR. ae : Okay. Where was his 8 equipment stored? 20 MR. GJ: Ss Yes. 21 MR. i. a : His is in the server room. 22 MR. QJ: «ts that within the sis, 23 near the -? 24 MR. i. a: No. That’s downstairs, in 25 the first floor EFTA00142008

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 117 1 MR. Ee : Okay. So, the server room is in the computer server room? MR. i. a : Yes. Yeah. 4 MR. a : Nothing to do with the cameras? ve. §. ER: vo. 7 MR. QJ: 411 right. have had to have gone to him -- R. i. a : Gone up to him -- 10 MR. QJ: -- within the -? 11 MR. i. a: -- with the, yeah, at the 2 time, like, hey, a. you got some driv ies) w oO you would co wo F ive) don’t have any drives. 4 MR. ae : Okay. So, what -? 15 you just explain what steps it is? You found 16 out on the 8th. What steps did you take in 7 order to resolve this issue? Do you know if 8 you -? Did you call SigNet on the 8th, or did 9 you call them on the 10th? Because the way 20 that this -. The way that this reads, just 21 look at these comments. It says this comment 22 was made on the 8th, at 3:38 p.m. -- 24 MR. a : -- and where it says, “Hi 25 Jeff. Unable to locate anything official -- EFTA00142009

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 118 1 MR. |. EE: 0 n-hm. 2 MR. a : -- the basic steps are as Set the raid level -- 4 MR. jf. EJ: 9 uh-huh. Ww Hh 12] hah ar 5} aw w a i} i} r ct =] O =] oO fu A a O H ct 6 will -.” So, what is going on here? What are these instructions? This is supposed to be 8 specific to this incident. 9 ve. §. BE: 0 r-mn. 10 MR. a : Do you follow what’s 11 going on there? 2 MR. i. a: Yeah. Oh, so, I called 3 them on Thursday. And I probably started to 4 rebuild on Friday. But I couldn’t do the 5 rebuild on Friday. 16 MR. Ee : So, you called them on 7 Thursday? What, to obtain the instructio 8 MR. i. a : I already knew what I had 9 to do. I always just call them to make sure 20 I'm doing everything right. 21 MR. ae : All right. So, on 22 Thursday, you called them. 23 MR. i. a: Mm-hmm. 4 MR. a : And are these instructions that I'm looking at, though, on ho No w EFTA00142010

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 119 1 this comment from August 8th, 2019, at 3:38 2 p.m.? 3 MR. i. a : Yeah. It looks like 4 that’s right. When I - that’s where I do the 5 rebuild, probably. Those are probably the Oo instructions to do the rebuild. 7 MR. a : Yeah. For two drives. wo [es] OP = And do you understand who 10 it’s - when it says, “Hi Jeff. Unable to 11 locate anything official.” - do you know who it 2 is that is talking there? WwW Fs) = It could be Jeff Cranor, 4 or Jeff McKenzie. 15 ve. 9. BJ: ss #ey. can -- 16 MR. i. a: That was McKenzie. 7 MR. i. a: -- can I clarify that? 8 Because I didn't -. We know that that comment 9 right there is by Derek Barr (Phonetic Sp. 20 *01:11:18). He’s a Qognify support engineer. 21 wR. §. BB: «okay. 22 MR. jf. BBB: 9s And that’s the 23 instructions that he provided Jeff to give you. 24 MR. a : Okay. 25 MR. ff. BB: «okay. EFTA00142011

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 121 No 5 = a 7 ] ct go in there. couldn’t be in there? > Ww BO ' \ w oo 5 = = ©, B ~ o nw ts) ke 3 Oo 3 o oO BR day, there was nobo 10 there. He was the only one with the 1 MR. Ee : So, again, if we speak to 2 him, is he going to say, yeah, I told him he ive) can't come in? can't come in. Because it’s the evidence room, t a ct Oo Oo 7] ie] he oO w fom 7 MR. ae : Yeah. We talked to | about that. She said there was not an 9 evidence room in there. 20 MR. i. a: It’s still an evidence 21 room right now. If you 22 MR. SJ: 9 e-hoon. 23 MR. i. a: That’s where I -- 24 MR. a : Well, maybe now, but what 25 is it on the 9th? co o ther Q oO EFTA00142013

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 122 1 MR. i. a: -- it’s always been the 2 evidence room. MR. a : Because she said, yeah -- 4 MR. i. a: It’s not going to be -- MR. a : -- she said there were 6 files in there, but there’s no evidence. ies) w 7 MR. i. a : Yeah. Every contraband 8 they get from inmates, that’s where they store 9 everything. 10 MR. a : In that area? 11 MR. i. a: In that area. Yes. 2 MR. QM: where the -? 3 MR. i. a : Yes. And if you go there 4 _- 15 MR a : Where (Indiscernible 16 *01:12:28). 7 MR. i. a: -- right now, there’s 8 still, there’s junk in there. It’s not just a 9 video room. That’s the biggest problem that I 20 had with this whole thing, was that at other 21 institutions, when you have a video room, you 22 just have a video room. There is nothing else 23 in there. There’s just the com techs. You go 24 in, you do whatever you got to do, you come 25 out. There should not be anything else mixed EFTA00142014

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LIMITED ioe) w io ioe) its) OFFICIAL USE 124 say to the room after Ww 00 p.m.? MR. i. a: Yes. MR. a : And you -- MR. a : -- your shift was from 6 m. to -- I was doing a don't know what overtime. I was probably doing overtime. So, I was working 13) Ph And this is just one sing to have really 7) b- its] -- as you know, this such a big part of this thing -- ve. §. ER: 9 n-hon. MR. a : -- that we don’t have a EFTA00142016

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 video. Why didn’t you, from 6:00 to 2:00, fix 2 this thing? 3 MR i. a : Because I was doing other 4 things This wasn’t -. This was a priority, 5 but, and the fact, like I said, this was not, 6 like, the main priority in the building. Oh, 7 the recorders aren't working? Okay. Well, all 8 right, it’s not, like, oh, not, this is what 9 you have to make. Now, after Epstein, like, 10 oh, this is the main thing you have to focus on 11 for the day. 2 MR. a : Okay. So, you didn't get 3 to it until after you took care of a bunch of - 4 - 15 MR. §]. BJ: «9 other stuff. 16 MR. Ee : -- other stuff. 7 MR. i. a: Yes. 8 MR a : And by the time you got 9 to it, at the end of your shift, basically, it 20 sounds like? 21 vu. 9. SE: 22 MR. a: 23 time to do it? 25 VR. a: es. K That there wasn’t enough To do it. Yeah. Yeah. But you could have gained EFTA00142017

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 126 1 access between -- least when he was Ww id | | wu rt oO w BOB K w o = i) ct tet Oo Cc us. E if] rt Q B on 5 rt co i a : Okay. When R. i. a : I have a few questior 10 MR. a : -- yup. Go ahead. 11 MR. i. a: I have a question. I know wo F 2 you might have actually answered this question, 3 but just I, I probably didn't hear it. But you 4 said that you spoke to MCC personnel about the 15 date of being wiped. Who specifically did you k to? oO n wu spe 7 MR. i. a: It would be somebody in 8 SIs 9 MR. i. a: It would be somebody 20 where? 21 MR. i. a : Or I'm pretty sure I told 22 the warden, too, because this was a big deal. 23 That on the, on that Saturday, when everything 24 happened, like, you know, if I pulled these, 25 there’s going to be no video at all. EFTA00142018

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 127 1 MR. jf. BBM: 9 and is this the 2 conversation you had directly with the captain? 3 MR. i. a : No. This would have been 4 the warden, or SIS. I really didn't see the 5 captain that day. I don’t remember seeing the 6 captain or talking to the captain. 7 MR. i. a : Was this a big -- 8 MR. i. a: I would just -- 9 MR. i. a : -- sorry. 10 MR. 9. BBB: -- that day -- 11 MR i. a: -- this was a big 2 conversation. 3 MR. i. a : -- yeah, when -- 4 MR. 9. HJ: 9 Yeah 15 MR. i. a : -- everybody was asking me 16 questions. It was mainly SIS and the warden I was dealing with. I wasn’t really dealing with 8 anybody else. 9 MR. i. a: But you don’t recall 20 exactly who you told, hey, I'm about to pull 21 the drives, but everything will be wiped? 22 MR. i. a: I'm not too sure. But 23 either the SIS or the warden. I'm pretty sure 24 of that. 25 MR. a : But again, he explained - EFTA00142019

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c w tm LIMITED OFFICIAL [ 128 2 MR. i. a: And do you -. 3 MR. a : -- that it was his 4 understanding that there was nothing on there, 5 anyway. He didn't find out until later that 6 there could have been some background. 7 MR. i. a : Okay. And then, the final 8 question is, when the FBI agent that came in, 9 do you remember who that FBI agent was that you 10 spoke to? 11 MR. i. a: No. I don’t remember his WwW Fs) = fe) — wu fi F w a = ae) 5 ion o c ct is) aa fom J t =| 8 MR. i. a : Two drives. Yeah. 9 MR. i. a: -- and it’s in the process 20 of being rebuilt? 21 wR. §. BBB: ssves. 22 MR. i. a: And you advised him that, 23 if they pulled the drives, at that point. 24 MR. i. a: That they were going to be 25 - And I was on the phone with SigNet when EFTA00142020

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 131 1 were working. 2 MR. §. BJ: Ss ves. 3 MR. i. a : And are you sure that you 4 did that? Because according to the FBI, based 5 on their analysis, it looks like there was a 6 catastrophic disc failures, and there is 7 nowhere, recordings in there since 7/29 anyway. 8 MR. a : I'm going to read you 9 what this says 10 MR. ff. BR: 0 okay. 11 MR. Ee : It says, “On,” it looks 2 like it would have been in September 18th, 3 2019, “A meeting was conducted with DVR vendor, 4 technical support representative, Justin 15 Houston, of SigNet Technologies. Houston 16 provided an overview of the operation of the system. A review of the DVR-2 controller logs 8 by Houston and Senior Advisor a. ” 9 a. “indicated that there had been 20 catastrophic disc failures in the array, and no 21 recordings would have been available after 22 7/29/2019.” 23 MR. i. a: So, on the -- 25 MR. i. a : -- (Indiscernible EFTA00142023

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 133 10 11 12 18 19 20 21 22 MR. Ee : -- now, when you’re seeing them, and did they go in and they look at this, does that seem like they would be right, and nothing recorded after 7/29? MR. I. a : Yes. They’re the experts. So, they would know that nothing recorded. MR. QJ: 411 right. So, from 7/29 to 2019, nothing recorded, but this is the first time you are hearing of it? MR. I. a: Yes. That is the first time I'm hearing about that. MR. a : And during the FBI interview, that’s not something they discussed with you? MR. i. a : No. Nobody told me that was on the 29th. That that’s the first time. That’s the first time I’ve heard that. MR. a : Okay. Sorry, i. Do you want to go ahead? MR. 9. HM: 9s Yeah.) You mentioned that, earlier in the interview, I might have - based on my notes here - that you did a motherboard rebuild, and there was (Indiscernible *01:19:44) could have happened around July 29th. And if this happened around July 29th, EFTA00142025

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 134 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 are you sure that you went in and you verified that the cameras were actually operating? It was actually recording? MR. I. a : Yes. I would have to verify everything was recording. MR. I. a: Now, if it was recording, how was it that, based on their analysis of this stuff, that there is no recordings in the system after 7/29/2019? MR. i. a: The way I was taught to look at the system, was to look at the Nice Vision, and if I saw the red lights, like, the system is recording. But then, I found out later, the red lights on the system recording, the way I was looking at it, it doesn't mean that there was actual video recording. That’s something that SigNet told me later. MR. I. a : All right. But then, that contradicts what you stated earlier. Earlier, you stated that you actually went back in, and you reviewed -- MR. I. a : Yeah. MR. I. a: -- older footage. MR. I. a: I would have to look for video. Yes. EFTA00142026

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 135 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. I. a : But now, it’s different. Now, you’re stating that you went back in, and you just looked to see if there was, like, a dot -- MR. I. a : No, no. MR. I. a: -- to see if it was recording. MR. jf. BB: 9=oI'm saying, I did both. I would have looked to see if there was video, and then I would have looked to see that I got the red lights, that everything was recording. The initial thing to do is to look to see a red lights, that those are working. And then, the next thing was to do was to pull back to see if there was video. Now, SigNet told me later, after all of this happened, even on the new recorder that we have, the red lights that show, it don’t mean that anything is recording. The system is not recording. You would have to go pull video from, like, a week before, or two weeks before, to see if there was a failure. But you would not know, like, looking at it, that there was a problem. MR. I. a: Okay. But you had said based upon this comment by the FBI report -- EFTA00142027

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 Ww C 1 MR. §f- Yes 2 MR i. -- there was no recording 3 for you to go and pull back -- w a m= -- (Indiscernible back a: Back. Yes. Because it happened on the 8 29th. So, there must have been video that I 9 pulled back from maybe before the 29th. When I i=) was looking at it. 11 MR. Ee : So, what you’re saying is 2 that, you reviewed the, you fixed the 3 motherboard, but when you checked to see the 4 video was recording, you didn't check to see if 5 video was recording from the time checked 16 the -- 7 vR. §. HE: No. -- fixed the motherboard Lee) 5 21 MR. ae : -- to the time that you 22 checked it, you checked previous to the time N i = K i) uo the motherboard. No w bd | i} EFTA00142028

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LIMITED ies) w oO wo i=) N ive) oO co wo No N N ion) OFFICIAL USE 1 -- that you checked. Needed to be that a] : = = K oO wu fe recording. 5 = fo Yes. And you didn't do that? There was no video. But are we certain -- There wa 5 lilil -- that July 29th, 2019 would have been the day that you fixed the Kh motherboard? That’s what this information says, but it says the motherboard failed on that day, at least, but we don’t know that specifically, that that’ the day that you tried to fix it, or do we? ve. §. BR: No. MR. Ee : Because the only other one on n i) H my Qo oO K o iQ i= oO n t H a fu 1) H+ Oo RK Nm o pa fe} bh n ct x im un February 28th, 2019. Would have they put ina service request if you were fixing the motherboard? MR. i. a: I would have -. I had the emails before, maybe with Justin, with the Wo a EFTA00142030

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 140 ~] wo 10 11 created February 28th, 2019. It was a Jeff Cranor, Jeff McKenzie, and Justin Houston again. By looking at this, can you tell me what it was -? This is the only other one we could, we’ve received with that -- MR. fj. BBM: «9s (indiscernible *01:23:38). MR. a : -- from that calendar year. Can you tell me what that would have had to do with? MR. I. a: Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Rebuilt the raid. So, there was a -. It doesn't say what drive or anything. Right? MR. a : I don't know. I'm asking you. Because it’s not as detailed as this other one, it kind of looks like more instruction type things. MR. I. a: Yeah, yeah. Hmm. MR. a : Because you said that the drives had gone bad in the past -- MR. §. HB: Ssves. MR. a : -- and you knew that they would do it again. MR. I. a: Again. MR. a : Is this what you’re talking about? Is this February 20 -- EFTA00142032

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 141 1 wR. §. BB: sv 2 MR. QM: -- 28th, would that have 3 been when the drives went bad last time? 4 MR. i. a: The last time. Yes. And 5 it probably went bad a time before that, also. 6 MR. a : But on this date, i 7 when you said that you had previously ordered v) n i] that wu ts) a = K @ wu o based upn -- 11 MR. i. a: No. This would have been t i=) a | | nN ! I 3 MR. QM: -- (indiscernible 4 *01:24:23). 5 MR. i. a : -- it would have been little bit later on, I ordered the drives. It wu oO 7 would have been before all of this happened, co that I ordered -. But point being, is, you wo a3 20 told us that the reason why you ordered them is 21 beca that it had gone bad in the past -- 22 MR. §. EE: 0 n-hm.. EFTA00142033

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 142 1 MR. Ee : -- again in the future. 2 MR. i. a: Yes. MR. a : Is this the last event 4 that, when they went bad? And the reason why ies) w they would have told you that information. 6 MR. i. a: If that’s when I called them. That probably would have been the last Oo a ~ wu te 11 MR. Ee : So, earlier that year. Ww nN oO ~ fw So, approximately 4 six months before. Okay. And that’s why you 5 would ordered the new drives, though, and had them on hand? 7 MR. i. a: Yes. Okay. Just before we -. oO Lee) 5 9 Can you just initial and date these before we 20 continue moving on? I just -. Wait. 21 -. As you know, we have EFTA00142034

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 143 = 5 = 5 | ion 3 WwW 5 = Mm-hmm. 4 MR. a : -- again, September 29th, And I'm making sure, making sure we have w ho nm ar 6 those. Let me see what else. All right. So, 7 when you realized that you could not resolve 8 the recording issue on August 8th, 2019, did 9 you notify anyone that you needed more time? 2 2 z 11 MR. Ee : No. And why didn't you? 2 So, if the SIS told you, hey, we need this 3 fixed, why didn't you noti that it -- 4 MR. §. HM: so past -- 5 MR. a : -- could (Indi scernible t fea) * =) BR Nm oy b 7 MR. i. a: -- practice, so just go 8 home, a. It’s not that important. You 9 will come back tomorrow, and deal with it 20 tomorrow. 21 MR. ae : past practice 22 But not -- 23 MR. i. a: Yes. 24 MR. a : -- that didn't actually 25 occur on August 8th. That EFTA00142035

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 144 1 MR. |. EE: 0 n-hm. 2 MR. a : -- your experience had taught you that you could fix it the next day? 4 MR. i. a: The next day. Just come in the next day. 6 MR. a : Okay. But no one actually told you to come in the next day? MR . i. a: Hmm-mm. No. a : Okay. Was it your understanding about how important it was ies) w co a oO a i=) 1 the camera was resolved before you went 2 home? ive) MR. ff. BJ: so efet. at th 4 institution? No. MR. i. a: It was never made clear to 7 me, like, this was important. Because this a] oO oo ui) Hh io) al 1) happened, like I said, numerous times b 21 MR. ae : So, when SIS Lieutenant that it was her understanding that that it was not only important, 24 to be fixed on the 8th, you -- because -- EFTA00142036

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 145 10 11 12 18 19 20 21 22 MR. Ee : -- (Indiscernible *01:26:56). MR. i. a : -- if this happened before and I was fixing stuff, it wasn’t like I fixed it that day, and it works that day. It takes a couple of days. It’s not going to -. And me magically snap my fingers. Like, I go in the room and I just fix it, and it starts recording. That’s not the case. MR. a : All right. Would have you, then, told her, though, I will get on it immediately -- mR. §. BB: 9 Yeah. MR. QJ: | -— but in your mind, you knew it would take a few days, but she didn't know that? Would that be a possible scenario to that? MR. i. a : That’s a possibility. They might not know how long it would take me to fix stuff. MR. a : Did you tell them how long it would take? MR. I. a: They just would see me back there working. They wouldn’t really know how intense, or what I was doing. EFTA00142037

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 148 1 to fix it. But you just weren’t meaning that you were going to fix it that same day? WwW 5 = ss 5 No. That -- 4 MR. QJ: sts it -- 5 MR. i. a : -- yeah I won't. 6 MR. a : -- is that correct, the 7 way I said that? 8 MR It wouldn’t have been 9 fixed that same day So -- 10 MR. a : That’s what I mean. 11 MR a: -- yeah. Yeah. It 2 wouldn’t have -. There is no way it would have 3 been fixed that same day. 4 MR. ae : So, she would have 15 understood you’re staying that same day, 16 overtime, to fix it. 7 MR. i. a: But I, how would I stay if I don’t have acces co n to the room? That’s my oO question. 20 MR. QJ: Well, she said that she 21 spoke with you in tt room. 22 MR. i. a: In the room. Yeah. But 23 after she leaves, after they leave, I don’t 24 have access to the room. So, how could I stay 25 in the room when I don’t have access to it? EFTA00142040

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 155 1 MR. Ee : So, you didn't actually 2 speak with anybody about these camera issues, 3 prior to going home on the 8th? You just were 4 working on it? 5 MR. i. a : I was working on it. 6 Yeah. 7 MR. a : Okay. So, you didn't 8 notify anybody, though, hey, these cameras are 9 out, and they’re not, it’s not resolved? 10 MR. i. a: They would have known 11 that, before I left, like, they still - I'm 2 still working on it. It was not, like, I'm 3 going to do fix it right away. 15 is, this email from you to a. your boss -- 16 MR. §. EE: 0 Mn-hm. 7 MR. ae : -- it looks like these are, like, your priority for things that you co 9 were working on at the time. Is that correct? 21 MR. ae : Why aren't the cameras 22 listed on there, if that was on August 9th? 23 MR. i. a: I have no idea. Mm-hmm. 24 MR. a : So, if y found out on the 8th, which we have clarified that you did, EFTA00142047

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 w x) 1 there. Yes. It should have been on there. 2 MR. a : So, being that it wasn’t 3 on there, does that make you re-think, huh, 4 maybe I didn't ven work on it on the 9th, or 5 try to work on it on the 9th? 6 MR. i. a: I did work on it, if that’s what I said before. co Fs) Okay. 9 MR. i. a : But yeah. 0 MR. a : Because they were writing 11 that, it sounds like, based upon a conversation 2 with you on the 9th, they don’t know that you 3 don’t have access to do them on the 9th. 4 That’s what they’re writing, based upon what 15 you told them. 16 MR. §. EE: 0 Mn-hm. 7 MR. ae : Like, oh, yeah, I'm doing it today because on the 9th, I couldn’t gain co ot 21 MR. ae : -- to the room. 22 MR. §. EE: 0 n-hm.. 23 MR. a : So, looking at this, and 24 what you were working on, it looks like you 5 sent them an email of what you were working on EFTA00142049

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) MR. i. a: I just have to write a memo and tell the lieutenant why I would have to stay behind. But I was coming back the next day. So, and I was probably working overtime all week. And it was just time for me to go. MR. QM: okay. MR. i. a : I’ve been doing some long hours. MR. a : Okay. So, because you had worked the hours, you made it, you made tha rt decision based upon your own experience that I'm going to work it on the next day, I'm not going to fix it today? MR. i. a: Mm-hmm. Yeah. MR. QM: so, you -- MR. i. a: And the past practice of just deal with it tomorrow. But I’ve been told by my other supervisors, hey, just deal with it tomorrow. MR. QJ: Okay. But you weren't told, in this situation -- vR. §. BB: vo. MR. a : -- you made that independent decision on your own, though. Correct? EFTA00142056

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 fo) fen) 1 to know this stuff. So -- WwW a | | ct x bP on k 03) | | 4 MR. 9. BMJ: 9 Like, this is not, like, 5 everybody -. It looks like I'm the fall guy, 6 or, like, something isn't working, like, you 7 keep asking me the same question. The thing 8 about these cameras, these cameras weren’t 9 working for, like, weeks at a time. Like, this 10 hasn’t been the first time where these 11 recordings weren’t working, and nobody checked 2 them what we need Ww id = o bh bb rt oS wu rt ~ 1) F wi a = K oO i) t oO a Ee : And we didn't -. So, this is the first we’re hearing that there was 8 weeks at a time that the -- 9 MR. i. a: Yes. Of course -- 20 MR. QJ: | -- cecordings weren’t 21 working. 22 MR. i. a: -- there were weeks at a 23 time. 24 MR. QM: Well then -- 25 MR. i. a : This happened before. EFTA00142058

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 167 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. a : -- well then, tell us. So, here. Open, open discussion. Tell us exactly what was going on with these recordings, and when they weren’t working. MR. I. a : Well, when I fist got to the institution, that’s why I started a project. I would look for video, and they would tell me there is a problem, and I'm, like, oh, you can't keep running the institution like this. If there is no video, you have to fix the system. You have to get an upgrade. I’ve called SigNet about the problem. And I informed everybody, hey, this is a problem. You can't have a jail where you can't find video whenever you need video. Or the recorder is always failing. I was in Terre for a year and a half. I don’t remember, maybe a couple times where something - as far as video, pulling back video, you would always find a video. There was never a time where you couldn’t find a video. Maybe some cameras weren’t working, but as far as pulling back video for a jail, there is no time where you can't find video. And my experience, when I got there, was, like, oh, EFTA00142059

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 168 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it’s not a big deal, it's not a big deal. And I'm, like, well, this is a jail, with funding and whatever else problems they had. Nobody considered anything here a priority or an emergency. So, after Epstein, that’s when it was, like, oh, well, now you’ve got to stay, now you have to do everything. And I’ve been screaming at the hilltop when I got there. Like, hey, you have a problem, you’ve got to fix it. That’s why I did the money for a project, hey, you need to get new recorders in, you’ve got to put the -. You’ve got to upgrades. Like, you haven't done anything at all. Like, you have to spend money. Like, this stuff is old. MR. a : But tell us specifically about times where there were weeks at a time that the recorders -- MR. I. a: Well, not weeks -- MR. a : -- were down. MR. I. a: -- at a time, but I'm just saying, like, if this happened at this time, right, and I replaced the drives the other time, weren’t they looking for video, and another time they couldn’t find video, and I EFTA00142060

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) oy \o fixed it, and then, they were, like, oh, well, everything is fine now. And then, a month later, or two months later, we have the same problem again. Oh, can't find video. They were just concerned about video they could find for that specific time. They were never concerned about finding a video for the whole time. MR. a : Okay. So, it - from what we have, from our records - it suggests that, in February, was the last time -- ve. 9. BE: vo. MR. a : -- (Indiscernible *01:40:26). MR. i. a : This happened before. s why I -- MR. ae : This was MR. i. a : -- yes. MR. Ee : Okay. It may -- MR. 9. HB: 9s The last time. MR. a : -- have happened before February -- MR. I. a: Yeah. Yeah. But there was more times where it happened before , That he last time? rt February. Since I touched down and got to MCC, EFTA00142061

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 171 1 a priority, once the recordings went down -- Ww es) | | ct J hat they need to be wi i = ry Le x o Q Yeah. They need 7 MR. a : Right. So, that’s where 8 I want to make sure we’re clarifying, when you 9 make a statement such as, it would be weeks 2 time, but there would be days where there is no ive) video. 5 MR. i. a : Like, they alway there is no video. This isn't the f fo] Q oO rt s o oO oO Lee) 5 v8) ad ite} a rt 22 23 MR. a : -- it would have been 24 about six months before -- 25 MR. i. a : And this happened -- EFTA00142063

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 172 MR. Ee : -- (Indiscernible *01:41:23). MR. i. a : -- before then, and it happened a couple times before then -- MR. QJ: Right. MR. I. a: -- because that’s when I started -. Whenever I started working at that 10 11 12 13 14 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 prison, I probably noticed it within the next, the first three to four months I was there. Like, hey, what’s going on with the recorders? Why is there no video? MR. QJ: Right. MR. I. a : And then, especially when I had to do the time change, because we had to do a time change in October, on the year changes, and I'm, like, why is it taking a whole day and a half for them, for the recordings to start to rebuild and change the time on the recordings. It shouldn’t take a whole day to do that. MR. QJ: anc -- MR. I. a: Because you have to stop and start stuff, and it’s, like, well, why is the system so old? Like, what are you guys doing? EFTA00142064

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 175 1 wouldn't have anything to do with it? 2 MR. i. a: No. That’s upper management, and SigNet. MR. i. a : Or Justin. Like, hey, ies) w a 6 when is this thing -? But that’s my call. 7 It’s here. Like, you know, they have to 8 schedule it and work that out. wo F So, if it’s on the 10 premises, and you have the new system at the fw how long was it actually at the MCC prior 2 to this time? 3 MR. i. a : It was a few months. 4 MR. ae : So, the new system -- Ee : -- probably was ordered after the February timeframe. MR. i. a : No. It was ordered way 9 before then. t oO a co 21 MR. i. a : It was ordered because it 22 was -. This happened in 2019. The new system 23 was here, and the money from 2018. 24 MR. a : So, you’ve had this new 25 hand for almost a year, if not EFTA00142067

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 181 1 MR. i. a: One of the two. Oh, well, 2 i. and | | was. Before them, it was | (Phonetic Sp. *01:45:34), because I remember, I ies) 4 had to talk to him about this whole camera w thing. 6 MR. QJ: «sand who is FP 7 MR. i. a: He was another AW, before 8 fF took over. This is, like, before Back with my i] ts) 7] be a ct i= Pp wn WwW Oo rt o rt fw Har ct oO ion bh ry] wn | i=) nN n te wn rt i) 3 ive) Fs) Okay. All right. And 4 there was nothing on -. Nothing scheduled to 5 actually get the new system installed? 16 MR. i. a: No. And from what I know, we weren’t on the list to get anything Les] i 5 n rt wu ~ bh @ Qo oO a ed 5 a - c, i) H eason why you were able to install it, you said on the 11th? 21 MR. i. a: It’s because of whatever 23 MR. a : So, Epstein happened. 24 You had this -- 25 MR. i. a : Everything (Indiscernible EFTA00142073

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 183 1 did everything. But get the rack and the UPS 2 in. 3 MR a : All right. And who 4 contacted Jeff McKenzie to make sure he came 5 down 6 MR. i. a: I was on the phone with 7 SigNet after all this happened. I was on the 8 phone the whole time with SigNet. 9 MR. a : So, who made the ultimate 10 decision to, hey, it’s time now to get this new 11 system installed? 2 MR. i. a: Probably a. when he got a hold of what was going on. 4 MR. ae : Okay. So, | would have -- 16 MR. jf. HB: 9 Yeah. 7 MR. ae : -- been able to make that ive) w 8 decision? 9 MR. i. a: Make that decision. Or 20 maybe when I was -. Because I think I, when I 21 was on the phone with Justin, that they were, 22 like, well, we got to get out there right away, 23 because whatever is going on. 24 MR. a : Now, was a. was he, 25 did he have knowledge that this camera system EFTA00142075

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 188 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 never anything set up at MCC, as far as that goes. MR. I. a : So, you think before Epstein had happened, no one had a day to day responsibility to make sure the cameras were working? ve. 9. BE: No. MR. I. a: Who would have been the next - if no one had the day to day responsibility - who could have checked? MR. I. a : That would have been SIS’s responsibility, because my -- MR. I. a : Okay. MR. fj. HB: 9 -- my previous jail, sis would be the one telling me, hey, a. there is a camera out, or there is other issues, because I don’t just work on cameras. I work on all the communications in the building. So, cameras are, yes, that is, like, one my main things, but if there is other issues in the building, like, I can't just focus on cameras. And at the time, I was by myself. I was the only electronics technician in the building for a while. MR. a: What other types of things do EFTA00142080

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 18 wo 1 you do? I know you fix the (Indiscernible 2 *01:50:45) 3 MR. i. a : Fire alarm. Cameras. 4 Radios. And I install the network. Like, if 5 you need a cat five (Phonetic Sp. *01:50:50) 6 cable, or anything communication lines -- 7 MR. a: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. i. a: -- in the building. The 9 fire alarm for the building. The doors. 10 MR. a : All right. I'm just 11 going to -- MR. aa: I’1l get | back on again. -- oh, he dropped again? N Fs) ive) Fs) 4 MR. aa: Looks like he dropped. Yeah. me? 7 MR. aa: Yeah. oO Yeah. 9 MR. i. a: Hey. I apologize. A call Lee) 5 20 reception is going in and out. I apologize for 21 that. 23 MR. i. a: Based on the question I 24 was asking, if, you said there was a few 25 the cameras went down, it EFTA00142081

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 190 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 wasn’t working for a few days. MR. §. HB: ves. MR. I. a : How bad do you think that the situation is, where the camera is not recording for a few days? MR. i. a: I think it’s pretty bad when you’re in a prison, and, you know, like, in my experience, because I was custody (Indiscernible *01:51:52) before, like, there has been assaults on inmate on inmate, among our staff, or somebody possibly bringing contraband in the building. And you have no recording to see what was going on. Then you have pretty bad video at that, that it was a priority. MR. I. a: Okay. MR. I. a: Yeah. All that stuff should be fixed. MR. I. a: And based on those instances, did you ever write up any reports -- mR. 9. BJ: 9sves, I dia. MR. I. a : -- did you send it to -? MR. I. a: I did. Before I got the money approved for the new camera system, I got together with the engineering tech, and I wrote EFTA00142082

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 191 10 11 12 18 19 20 21 22 -. I also, I wrote a work order over $10,000, because the camera system as an asset is worth over $10,000. To get that fixed. Because I had that problem, I had also the fire alarm was, I had a problem with that. I had a problem with that. I had a problem with the voicemail system. Everything. When I got to the building, everything was just at a pretty bad state. That wasn’t the only thing that was looked over as, like, oh, we need to get this fixed. The whole building was, as far as communication wise, it was pretty bad. MR. I. a : Yeah. But the question I had was, did you write any reports or -- ve. §. BR: 1 -; MR. I. a: -- any emails to upper management -- ve. §. BB: ves. MR. I. a: -- saying, hey, listen -? MR. §. HB: Ssves. MR. i. a: Okay. Do you recall who you sent it to? MR. I. a: I would have sent it to | a. and he was my first facility manager. EFTA00142083

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 192 2 MR. name? 1 All right. So, can that 15 en? So, we talked 16 SigNet -- 17 MR. i. ae: And then, my -- EFTA00142084

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 194 w ~] MR. I. a: Mm-hmm. MR. a : I just want to real quickly follow up on these things, to make sure what we have is accurate. Specifically, with regard to the FBI report that said, “There was a system failure of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019, and a motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 2019. The hard drive failure occurred on August 10th, 2019.” Again, is that information that you provided to them, or did they obtain that themselves? MR. i. a : I think they obtained that themselves. They would have -- MR. ae : All right. And do you know -- MR. I. a: -- the exact dates. MR. ae : -- do you know the difference between, like, a system failure, a motherboard failure, and a hard drive failure? MR. §. HB: Ssves. MR. a : All right. So, I'm going to read you what we have obtained regarding this, and I want you to tell me if it’s accurate or not. MR. §. BB: Okay. EFTA00142086

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 195 wi ~] 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. a : So, it says, “Per Jeff ” McKenzie from SigNet,” regarding, this is still regarding a system failure, “this looks to be an error coming from the video management server. MR. i. a: Mm-hmm. MR. a : There is an application within the video management system software called Supervision. This application monitors connection between the main application server, which manages authentication -- MR. i. a : Authentication. MR. a : -- for users to access live recorded video, and an ability to export video, along with many other customizable features. And system devices, such as DVRs, cameras, video encoders, or video decoders. If this is the case, then this would have been the message from the Supervision application, showing that there was a lost connection to DVR-2.” mR. 9]. BJ: so bvr-2.) Right. MR. a : Does that sound accurate to you? MR. I. aa : Yes. It’s -. Yeah. EFTA00142087

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LIMITED ies) w co ioe) co OFFICIAL USE 196 MR. Ee : So, they would have obtained this information, it sounds like, from that application, Supervision? MR. i. a: Yes. But you didn't MR. a : But you said you were working on the mother -. : Ee : -- you were working on stem right around that time? MR. i. a: Yes. MR. Ee : All right. So, likely, it was whenever you were working on the around July 29th, 2019, that caused the the recorders to stop recordir ve. §. BH: vo. 1 I -. MR. a : Well, we just talk 5 oO o rh ie) KR i] EFTA00142088

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 197 fu 1 about previously, is that you checked 2 everything when you were working on it, for the ies) time prior -- 5 MR a : -- to when you worked on 6 it. 7 MR. i. a: -- to me working on it. 8 Yeah oO AJ a : So, likely, that’s when i=) ian y oO | | 11 MR. jf. EBB: 39s when the -- MR . a : -- recorders stopped? i: a: N Fs ive) a) work you were doing on it, likely f foal n rt is] "SO ue] oO o rt om 0) K i) Q ordings, but no one presented 7 the issue to you until August 8th, 2019? 9 everything after I'm done. 20 that I -- 23 you checked it for the time -- 25 MR. a : -- period prior to when EFTA00142089

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 fe] oo 1 you fixed, you thought you fixed it. 2 MR. i. a: I fixed it. Yeah. 4 MR. i. a: But that doesn't sound like me. I'm sorry. Just how I am -- 6 MR. a : Well, no, no, no, this i what you told us. MR. i. a: -- yeah. ies) i w 7] ~] x oo Ks] ~ a n is) i} i} 10 MR. i. a: Yes, yes. But I would 11 have checked to make sure, like, a couple days 2 later, okay, it’s still working. Or -- 3 MR. a : And do you recall 4 (Indiscernible *01:57:17). 15 MR. i. a : -- because I'm pretty sure 16 I looked at the Nice Vision, and the Nice 7 Vision looked like it was fine. But there 8 could have been another problem. But I don’t 9 pull video. Like, I don’t go back to pull 20 video for, I told you, I don’t. 21 MR. ae : So, you just don’t recall 22 if you ever went back and checked? 23 MR. i. a: I'm pretty sure I checked. 24 I'm more than definite. After I fixed it, I 25 would have checked to make sure it was working. EFTA00142090

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LIMITED w ~] ive) OFFICIAL USE 202 MR. Ee : So, even though you’re saying that there was some kind of serge protector type of thing on there -? MR. I. a : There is a UPS on it. But I don’t think everything was maintained the way it should have been maintained. MR. a : So, you think it was likely caused by a power, some kind of power outage? MR. I. a: If it was a power outage, that would explain what the problem is. MR. a : But you don’t know anything about it, there a power outage? MR. I. a: No. I didn't know anything about power outages. MR. Ee : And you don’t -. Do you remember ever shutting down the DVR system, prior, when you were working on it? MR. I. a: Hmm. No. Can you find out if there was a generator test on the 20 -. Nhen was -? You said the 29th of July, right? MR. ae : Well, it looks like the reason why you found this out is he went into the application, Supervision. MR. I. a : Yeah. I know. Okay. I'm EFTA00142094

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 203 ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) going to read that now. And July 29th, that would have been -. Because we do do our 3) generator te t monthly, but I don’t know if it was the 29th of July. MR. a : Mm-hmm. I’11 add that as the fifth request, find, provide any information with regard to the system failure MR. i. a : That’s - no, the time -- MR. a : (Indiscernible MR. i. a : -- do they know what time, or they just have the thing? MR. ae : No. It just says July 29th. MR. jf. HB: 9 Yeah. MR. ae : All right. And do you know when - the system failure - do you know when you found out about that, and how? MR. ff. HM: «so pmm. As far as what now? MR. ae : The system failure was the July 29th issue, not August 9th, or 8th, MR. i. a: Oh. Not until you guys told me there was a system failure. The only “ EFTA00142095

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 205 w ~] ive) possibility, then, because it says you -- ve. §. BJ: vo. ve. QJ: -- 0? MR. a : You don’t think that -- MR. I. a: Hey, once you do the AMS, that’s just the communication thing, like, if - And not everything is talking, that’s when everything would start working. MR. a : Okay. And you said you ever would access Supervision. MR. i. a : Mm-hmm. MR. a : We talked about all of this. So, it says, this is the issues, “The motherboard failed on DVR-2. Per Jeff McKenzie, in the case of a motherboard failure, this would cause the operating system, such as Windows, to shut down or fail. When this happens, it would stop recording to the hard drive, because the recorder software requires Windows Operating System to be operational, to record data to the hard drives.” MR. §. EH: 0 Mn-hm.. MR. a : “Also, when the motherboard fails, the network connectivity is EFTA00142097

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 206 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 lost because the network card is dependent on the motherboard to be functioning. And Windows to be running, for the network card driver to be operational. If and when the motherboard failed, this would have caused the network card to shut off, thus triggering the above message of a system failure, of DVR-2. Because it can no longer communicate with the DVR.” Does this sound accurate? MR. i. a: Yes. MR. a : All right. Do you know what caused the motherboard failure? ve. 9. BE: vo. MR. QJ: ) Do ~you remember, do you know what affect it had? MR. i. a: I just remember I did the electronics thing, I just did a smell test, and I knew something on the motherboard burned up. You could smell that. Because I, when I took the motherboard out, you could tell it was a problem. Something on the motherboard burned up. Or failure power. Or something. But it was the motherboard. Because I do remember doing that. MR. a: All right. And do you EFTA00142098

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 215 1 MR. i. a: Okay. And we were told by a that, previously, when you 3 and work in the camera room -- 5 a: -- there were situations 6 where you had to do work in the camera room, 7 and if she or || had to leave, she would 8 leave the keys with the captain, and you could oing the work -- oO 0 is) t=] rt = =] c o i=) a -- in the captain’ m7 a: a: That is correct. Yes. m7 room. N Fs ive) a) How come, on August 8th, no captain. f fo] as) = H a oO K o = wu w no captain on No. There was an acting Lee) 5 = 9 captain. I don’t think there was a captain. 20 There was nobody -- MR. i. a: -- yeah, there was no -. No N No ion) wo c ct a @ = wu n =] rt rt a i) a] 0) 24 MR. a : So, we know, or 25 9th, he was there until at least 7:00 p.m. EFTA00142107

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