10 11 12 13 18 19 20 21 22 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL MARCH 16, 2022 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 ra Hills, CA 91301 e: EFTA00127124

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. QERMJ: his is Special Agent J ios) 2 a. Today is March 16th, and the time is 3 9:55 a.m. The recorder is now on. My name is 4 a. I am a Special Agent with the 5 U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the 6 Inspector General, New York Field Office, and ~] these are my credentials. oo th Thank you, sir. 9 MR a : This interview with the 10 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, Lieutenant 11 ; a. is being conducted as part of 2 an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office 3 of the Inspector General investigation. 4 Today’s date is March 16th, 2022. The 5 ‘ + 9-56 a ig i wi foc ‘ 15 time is 9:56 a.m. This interview is being 16 conducted at the Federal Bureau of Prisons ~ Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn, New 8 York, warden’s conference room. 9 Also present are DOJ/OIG Assistant Special 20 Agent-in-Charge, J) NNN, Licutenant 21 | a. This interview will be 22 recorded by me, Special Agent | tti‘(‘asw 23 Could everyone please themselves for the 24 record, and spell your last name? To start, 25 again, I am DOJ/OIG Special Agent F EFTA00127126

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 1 — in-Charge | PF with the 4 and these are my credentials. ] n stant Speci ies) w 6 MR. ae: Please identify yourself. co With the Federal Bureau of Prisons. wo This is an official i=) a 1 investigation into events surrounding the death 2 of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and you are being Wa wu 17) tan i] ish ct oO 5 voluntarily provide answers to our 4 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 5 with the DOJ/OIG? 16 MS 7 MR. review DOJ/OIG form 8 III-226/2. The form states, 9 Department of Justice, Office of 20 General, Warnings and Assurances Provide Information No ion) 3 2) co wu Kh 1) on @ Bb =] Q 1] asked to provide 24 information as part of an investigation being 25 conductec ice of the Inspector EFTA00127127

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceeding, or both.” The waiver states, “I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above, and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.” Please review the form and if you understand and agree, please sign where it says Employee Signature. MS. a: Okay. MR. a : And print your name right below that. MS. a: Below that. Okay. MR. a: I'm going to sign on the EFTA00127128

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 6 1 signature of the Office of Inspector General. 2 MR. a : Okay. And this is | a. and I will sign as the witness and 4 fill out the rest of the form. What is the time, a: ies) w 10 the interview, I would like to pla 11 oath. Lieutenant a. can you please raise 2 your right hand? 3 MS. a: Sure. 4 MR. a: Do you swear to the tell the 5 truth and nothing but the truth during this interview? 7 MS. a: Yes, sir. hand down. Please let me know if you oO co J wo 22 nd any questions, and I will try 23 to repeat it, or try to rephrase it for you. 24 MS 25 MR for taking the time EFTA00127129

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] ive) to meet with us today. You previously told us - we'll jump right into it - you met with us in the past. : Yes. MS. MR. And you previously told us that you were off on August 93th, 2019. That was a Friday. Do you recall? MS. a: On August 9th, 2019? I think I was off on the Friday. I think my last day of working was August 8th, I think it was. MR. a: August 8th. And do you recall mentioning to us about an issue with the camera -- MR. a: And you had addressed that situation with the communications technician Hughwon a. MS. BJ: 9 ves. MR. a: And you remember mentioned, I think the conversation was between - you want to tell us a little bit about it again? Your recollection of it. MS. a : Sure. I was - after I was EFTA00127130

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 reviewing the camera, I was looking for an inmate that may have possibly departed the building. So, I was, I went to the camera to review the, to see if I can backtrack exactly when he left the building. I was present at the SIS office, with the Associate Warden from MCC New York at the time, which is AW J, we both were looking at the camera, and at that moment, I noticed I couldn't rewind on the cameras. So, I couldn't get any playback. At that moment, we stopped, you know, like, searching for the inmate because we couldn't go back any further than the time we were at. And at that time, I notified communications tech a. I called him over the radio and let him know, hey, I'm trying to rewind back the cameras, and the cameras won't rewind. And he said he will come and take a look at the system and see what was going on. And which he did. He did come down and he looked at the system, and he said he has to do overtime to fix the system. At that moment, I notified Captain | a. I apologized that the cameras was down, and I also provided EFTA00127131

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE io 1 him with a memorandum, letting him know that 2 the camera system was down. 7) ies) a Okay. And we were able to -- Before we get into that, 5 6 I'm sorry 7 -- as far as the - so, 8 there was a discrepancy with what you said and 9 what AW | | said. u just rewind o - 10 and that’s not a big discrepa - 11 you rewind one video at that time, the one you were trying to look at, or did you rewind nN ive) multiple, to determine that the -? 4 MS. a: No. I went back on quite a 5 few. t oO a And was that with AW | | she hh remember i co U Leal Q wu =] rt I was going back at No Nm ct y 0] 0 wu =I 0) ini w a) ~ rt Oo ion 1) p 3) 5 ) n ct with you. No ion) id Because she was saying -- 24 Ms. QJ: «Bot 1 -. 25 MR. a : -- she thought it was EFTA00127132

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 1 just one while she was there, so -- 2 MS. QJ: 9Right. -- if it’s -. 4 MS. ae: I can't remember if she ies) a 5 stayed, but I did go back on several cameras on 6 the housing units and different areas, to see 7 can I -- 8 MR. QM: Okay. 9 MS. a : -- rewind. 10 MR. a : So, you did, but she 11 possibly didn't. 2 MS. BRM: yes. ves. MR. a : Okay. Great. 4 MR. a: So, we were able to identify, ive) w with your assistance, through this document was 16 provided to AW i. and AW | | provided this to the MCC attorneys, who in turn provided it 8 to the OIG. 20 MR. QJ: And this is the memo that was 21 written by you. I'm going to read it out for 22 the record. Up top it says, the United States 23 Government Memorandum. Federal Bureau of 24 Prisons. MCC New York. 150 Park Road New 25 York. The date is August 10th, 2019, from T. EFTA00127133

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 11 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 i. SIS Lieutenant to J. a. Captain. MS. a: Mm-hmm. MR. a: Subject is, “NiceVision (Phonetic Sp. *00:07:26) camera system.” “On August 8th, 2019, at approximately 3:45 p.m., while reviewing the Nice camera system, I attempted to recover video footage from the unit 5-South housing unit.” Ms. QJ: 9 ves. MR. a: “At this time, I was unable to recover any previous recordings from the camera. This prompting me to review all of the cameras. None of the cameras on the system were able to record. Therefore, I called communication technician H. a. via radio. At approximately 4:00 p.m., | | responding to the third floor phone monitoring room to check the cameras, and notified me that the cameras were not recording, and there was no way to retrieve any video. | stated he fixed the camera system on Friday, August 9th, 2019, when he arrived to work.” Ms. (J: 9 vm-ho. MR. a: Do you recall writing this EFTA00127134

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LIMITED OFFICIAL [ a w tm = N 1 memo? 2 MS a: Yes. 3 MR ae : Is this the memo? Okay. 4 MS ae: Yes. 5 MR a: Just to clarify, the date 6 that you wrote the memo will be on August 10th? 7 MS. a : Yes. 8 MR. a: This would be the Saturday 9 following -- 10 MS. a: Yes, sir. It would be the 11 Saturday. 2 MR. ae: And August 9th, you were off? 3 MS. a: Yes. I'm almost sure I 4 wasn’t there the Friday. I'm almost sure that 15 I sn’t in the building. t oO a That last sentence, that’s Lee) 5 Well, first, just to 9 clarify, the August 10th. So, previously, and 20 I think again, you just, I think you assumed 21 you wrote it on August 8th, but it looks like 22 you actually wrote it on the 10th. 23 MS. a: I did assume that I wrote it 24 on the 8th. EFTA00127135

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 13 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Ms. QJ: 1 dia. MR. a : So, looking at that now, do you know that it was now written on the 10th, on the Saturday, as opposed to on that Thursday, when you first found out? MS. a: Yes. MR. a : Okay. So, that’s not, like, a misunderstanding? That’s, now looking at it, you’re, like, oh, that’s correct, you actually wrote it on -. So, does that mean that you didn't tell Captain | until the 10th, as well? MS. a : No. I definitely told him when the cameras was found, because he wouldn't have had any footage, have anything occur. MR. Ee : Because when we spoke with Captain a. he didn't think he would - or he said he wasn’t told until that Saturday. He says he was never informed on that Thursday or Friday. So, we were just - now seeing that memo - we were trying to think, oh, maybe you were just mistaken because you were very confident, no, I told the Captain, and I provided him the memo. So, seeing that, does that maybe make EFTA00127136

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LIMITED ies) w co ive) oO co OFFICIAL USE 14 you think -? MS. a: No. I'm definitely positive that I told him when the cameras was down because we always do. rt happened, we need to get footage at tha moment. MR. QM: ub-hon. asking me did I notify | that the cameras and I told him I did -- down, MS. a : I'm positive -- MR. Ee : (Indiscernibl @ MS. a: -- it was on the 8th. MR. a: Okay. And the last thing says, yo stated he fixed the camera August 9th, when he arrived to EFTA00127137

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 w ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 work.” Just to clarify, does that mean that he - sorry, let me pause for a second. UNKNOWN FEMALE: I'm sorry. Hi. Hi. How are you? MR. a : We’re on a recording, just so you know. MR. BJ: so -. UNKNOWN FEMALE: Oh, I'm sorry. MR. QR: Okay. MR. a: Just to clarify, the last statement -- MR. a: -- does that mean that he fixed, stated, now, did J tell you that he fixed the camera on August 9th? Or does it mean that he told you that he will come in on August 9th and fix the camera? MS. a: No. On the 8th, he told me he was staying that evening to fix the cameras. When QJ seen me on the 10th, when I entered the Special Housing Unit, he was in there. I don't know if he was working, if he was doing overtime. But as soon as I entered the Special Housing Unit, Mr. | immediately approached EFTA00127138

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 16 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 me. Immediately approached me, and I said, well, what happened with the camera system? Because we had this conversation that you will fix it on the 8th. And he said I fixed it yesterday. And then, I'm here today, which is the 10th, to finish up. MR. es : So, you mean, he started fixing it yesterday? MS. a: So, I'm assuming that, I don't know if he started, or if he fixed it, but I could only go by what he told me. I fixed the camera system, and I'm here to finish it up. MR. QJ: | Because when you - when we spoke to you last, you had mentioned that you approached him and said, you told me you were going to fix this, and you said, and then he told you at that time, yeah, I came in here today -- MS. QJ: 9 Right. MR. QJ: -- to do it. MS. a : Right. So, I was under the assumption he started on the 9th, and he still had - whatever he had left to do on the 10th, and I assume that that’s what he was there to EFTA00127139

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 w ~] do. MR. a : Okay. So, not that he fixed it on the 9th, but he started to fix it on the 9th? MS. QJ: Right. I feel like he started to fix it on the 9th, and he was there to finish up, because then he was actually on overtime in an attempt to, if wR. I: Okay. MS. a: So, I assumed that he started I'm correct. fixing it, and he was there to attempt to finish it up. MR. a : So, should that last sentence then read, he began fixing it on the 9th? Instead of he fixed it on the 9th? MS. a: It should, but again, I can't recall. I don’t want to say, you know, because he told me he fixed the cameras. So, fixing to me, I don't know the camera system. So -- MR. QJ: So, on the 9th, when they knew that they couldn't actually get video, he actually said, I did fix it yesterday? MS. a: No. On the 9th. I mean, sorry, on the 10th. MR. a: That’s what I mean, on EFTA00127140

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 18 10 11 12 13 14 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 the 10th. MS. a: When we arrived, and we realized that there was no video over the 9th. That’s when he stated, I did overtime, I fixed it yesterday. And then, we would, me and him were having a conversation that it’s no video. You can't go back. And his thing was, I'm here to finish up what I started yesterday. MR. QJ: 9owas it -- MS. a: -- know what he fixed, because fixing to - I'm sorry - fixing can be he bought all of the cameras back up, so the cameras are online, but I don't know if they were online to record, if that makes any sense. MR. ae : And so, it’s hard for us to understand because if he’s saying he fixed it yesterday, and he’s here to finish it today, that sounds like it means he started fixing it yesterday, and he’s -- MS. QJ: 9 Right. MR. a : -- but what his words were, he fixed it yesterday? MS. a: His words was, I fixed it EFTA00127141

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 w ~] ive) yesterday, and I'm here to finish up today. Now, I don't know what the finish up part for today was, to be honest with you. I'm assuming the finishing up part was the to get them to record, because they were blacked out. MR. QM: okay. MS. a: Most of the cameras were blacked out. MR. a : Oh, so, they were actually blacked out? So -- MS. a: It was some cameras that were blacked out where it was no screen at all. MR. a : Okay. MR. a: This was on August 8th? MS. a: On August 8th. MR. Ee : Okay. So, he actually got the cameras to not be blacked out anymore, so meaning, he fixed the cameras that were blacked out, and on the 10th, he was going to get them to start recording? MS. a: That’s what I assume. MR. QJ: okay. MS. a: It’s just an assumption because when I got there the 10th, I didn't physically go to see if the black out cameras EFTA00127142

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ho 1 was back online. re talking about, he got when you Ww n wu Hh } * oO ion } 5 rt a wu rt you 4 the cameras back up and running, but the w recording part was going to be fixed on the Les] Fs) ra] it) 9 It’s just an assumption. 10 can't say what he did. I can Ww nN wm OD ! I ry = > Ss fu oO a b > - ® 7 if] f fw bh 1 ion i] 5 the 10th, I fixed 2m yesterday, did you ask 16 him then, well, then, why can't we get the 7 recordings? 8 Ms. QJ: «= dian't. 9 MR. J: «90? 20 MS. EJ: 31 didn't. 22 MS. a: Hmm-mm. 23 MR. a : But now, your assumption to get them back up jon rt 6 oO 24 is, he fixed 25 and running, and 10th, he was going to EFTA00127143

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 21 1 fix the recording part. 2 MS. a: He was there to finish 3 whatever that fixing was, and I'm assuming that 4 it was the recording part because they still 5 weren’t recording on the 10th. 6 MR. a : Okay. But that was an 7 assumption on your end 8 MS. a: That was just an assumption 9 on my end. 10 MR. a : And you didn't ask him 11 anything further on that? 2 MS. ae: I didn't ask him anything ive) i) -_ 3) i) c uw Fe n Oo H jon iy jes f=] ct 7 MR. a: Do you recall having a 8 conversation with him on the 10th about him not 9 having access to the communication room? 20 MS. BJ: No. 21 MR. ae: On the 9th. Him not being 22 able to access the room because there was no 23 one there to open the door for him? 24 MS. a : No. No. And he would be 25 able to have access to the room because all of EFTA00127144

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 22 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 the keys are located in the control center. MR. a: But the center control would be locked up, right? MS. a : The control center, they would - my keys would have been locked behind, like, an emergency glass. But he’s accessed my keys in the past to fix the cameras. MR. a: How would he access them? MS. a: He would get permission from the captain to get my keys because that’s who has to authorize the keys. MR. a: And he would go to the captain, and the captain would authorize it, and he could just take the keys? MS. a: I would hope so -- MR. a: Mm-hmm. MS. a: -- that he would get authorization, but he’s been there late nights when there has been nobody in SIS, fixing the cameras. MR. a: And you recall specific situations where the captain has authorized him to take your keys and go into the room? MS. a: I can't say I was present when he authorized him to take the keys. I'm EFTA00127145

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 23 w ~] wo 10 11 ive) not going to say that I was present. But -- MR. a: But you recall -- MS. a: -- I recall times when I told U the captain, hey, FY is going to stay late because the camera system is not working, and 7] the captain say, okay, I’1ll be here. And he would be and have access to that room. MR. a: Does that mean YY was given the keys, or the captain would go in and open the door for him? MS. a: That, I'm not sure. MS. a: That, I'm not sure. MR. ae : So, do you remember around, approximately, what time it was on August 8th that you learned that the cameras were down? MS. a: It was late in the afternoon. MR. Ee : And you’re positive it was late in the afternoon? MS. a: It was in the afternoon. MR. ae : And when you were determining that these cameras were down, you they were -- because this is EFTA00127146

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LIMITED ies) w oO co ive) co wo OFFICIAL USE 24 out cameras, all along we’ve been told they were up, they ust weren’t recording, so there were offline completely, with an X, I don't 11 review, So, was it could you see it, but there or was it just a No. You couldn't see. MS. a: You couldn't And you’re Bec se Captain | left early that day for a fT appointment EFTA00127147

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 w ~] ive) on the 8th. So, that goes back to, are you sure you told him on the 8th? Because he wasn’t there. MS. QJ: =No. I spoke to Captain | about the cameras because he asked me, was I going to fix the cameras? I know it definitely was after the lunch, the lunch break. So, between - it was afternoon time - between 12:00, 1:00. MR. a : All right. So, when you say late afternoon, before, you’re now thinking it was actually early afternoon? MS. a: Well, that’s late afternoon for me when I get it -- MR. QM: 4.11 right. MS. a: -- because I get in 5:0! oO h- t=) MS. a: -- I'm sorry. But it definitely was somewhere after the inmates’ lunch. Between 12:00, 12:00 noon, I want to say between 12:00 and 2:00. In that timeframe. MR. QJ: Okay. MS. a: I can't tell you exactly the time. But it definitely was before I went EFTA00127148

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 26 wi ~] 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 home. MR. a : Okay. So, you’re positive they were blacked out, you’re positive you told Captain a: MR. a : Sorry. Go ahead, a. MR. a: How many screens would you think were blacked out? MS. a: I don’t even want to guess because it was a lot of cameras up there, but it was a good many. I know the housing units were recording. The blacked-out cameras, it was a lot of the corridors where we buzzed the doors, and we opened, a lot of the corridors were out. I do remember that. I do remember the units were up. The housing units were up. MR. a: So, let’s talk about that for a second. I know it’s important for the (Indiscernible *00:19:18), is it fo ta] the cameras to be working? MR. a: Now, we have two situations. One is, the camera feed not working, which would mean being able to view the cameras live. And second is the actual recordings not EFTA00127149

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 working. MS. a: Okay. MR. a: So, how important is it for the camera feed to be working at all times? MS. a: Very. MR. a: Compared - I know, let’s talk, separate that out from the actual recordings working. How often do people go in and view the live feeds? MS. a: It’s my - this is just, again, I would say it should have been daily because since I’ve been at MCC New York, normal practice was that the communication shop came up every morning, went into that area where, I don't know, like, the motherboard was at. And they checked it. So, that’s what I’ve always was used to happening. And they will say, hey, you got some cameras down, or A, B, Cc, and D, because SIS uses the cameras a lot. You know? We going back for video. We looking for fights. Like, you know, they’re up on our desks sometimes who we’re just seeing who’s doing what. So, I would say daily that they definitely should be monitored. EFTA00127150

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 28 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. a: Okay. And if the camera feeds were not working, I understand the recorder is not, that the recording is not there. And we might have spoken about this in the past, but should | have gone home for the day, or should the recordings, the feeds been fixed immediately? MS. QJ: 31 kind of don’t know the process of fixing the feeds because I know it was times he said he had to order new cameras. So, I don't know if they were fixable where he had to order new cameras, and had to wait for cameras to come in. So, I don't even, I don't even know, honestly, if he would have been able to fix those cameras that was out, or if he needed to order new cameras to fix those cameras that was out. MR. QJ: §9vou mentioned there were quite a few feeds out, right? MS. a: Yes. MR. a : Do you think it was possible that he came in, he told you on the 10th that he came in on the 9th and he fixed them. Is it possible that he replaced all those cameras by EFTA00127151

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] ive) wo oO 8th, though, you knew that there was actually two problems. One, that they were blacked out; and two, that they weren’t recording. MS. QR: 9 Yes. MR. a : And the ones that weren’t recording, were they the same ones that were blacked out? MS. a: Nothing was recording. At MR. a : Nothing. You couldn't find anything recording? MS. a: No. I couldn't. MR. a : Because our understanding was half of the cameras were recording and half of them weren’t. Just the ones you checked weren’t recording. MS. a: Just the ones I checked. And normally, that would be the housing areas will be where I’1l target because that’s where the inmates at, and that’s where -- MR. QR: okay. MS. a: -- unfortunately, the incidents usually are. MR. a : And what - you said prior - I just want to make sure we’re clear - with EFTA00127153

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE Ww Pp 1 the ones that were blacked out were not the 2 housing units? 3 MS. ae : No. I don’t recall any 4 housing units being blocked out. 5 MR. a : But the housing units Oo were the ones that weren’t recording? 7 MS. a : Right. I know they weren’t 8 recording. 9 MR. a : So, there was just a 10 problem with basically all of the cameras that 11 you knew of. 2 MS. ae: It seemed that way to me now. 3 Yes 4 MR. ae : And did you know, did you 15 provide that information to either AW | | or 16 Captain | 7 a: No. Not about the whole 8 system because I kind of don’t know how it 9 works. So, I said to a. hey, you got a 20 lot of areas that’s blacked out. With a red X. 21 MR. ae : Okay. And then, so, 22 knowing all that information, what is it that 23 you told Captain a: 24 MS. a : I just told him that I 25 couldn't get any - I couldn't go back. They EFTA00127154

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE wo ios) 2 MR. a : -- about it again. Hmm-mm. ies) Hi 5 know the cameras were down, or did she just 6 know that you were having a problem rewinding? 7 MS. ae: I think she - to be honest 8 with you - she only knew that I had a problem wo because I couldn't playback that one unit. a: Because th t’s the unit that fw 2 we were looking at, which were the cadre units, 3 that they go home and go different places. 4 Because after we couldn't find that inmate, she 5 kind of just left. 16 MR. Ee : Okay. And have you 7 spoken with AW | | since we last spoke? wo a3 No? 21 MR. ae : So, you didn't talk about No Nm ct I B i] 3 i] ct rt 0) a] = P- ct a oe i.) KK No ion) 7) No. I just received, I want 24 to say an email, or it might have been - I 25 can't even say it was after or before, but I EFTA00127156

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 Wo 1 did receive notification from her that she CC’d 2 me on an email about my documentation because ies) these were my documents that were in her 4 office. w So, she said, hey, I just want to let you 6 know that them to the warden, whoever the warden was at that time, that was acting. Les] 7 ] o a rt) it) ct wu ct o o oa o would give them to legal. wo i=) it. i] regarding ive) H All of my documents. t oO a 7 MS. a: This would have been included ie] | ! 9 MR. Ee : And what about -- -- in a pile of documents. 21 MR. ae : -- and what about Captain 22 a: Have you spoken with him since we last ine] Qo is N Ee a o 25 MR. QJ: Not at all? EFTA00127157

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE Ww wi recall the video that WwW 5 oO oO 7 0 c 4 you were trying to pull up on August 8th? When w you were trying to rewind. Were you trying to co ah U H w U rt ie] le Bb =] £2 t 12] 2 ct 5 i rt Q wu wu + that (Indiscernible *00:25:33) -- So, for August 8th. $ -- yes : yes. Not August 7th, 6th, or n ive) F oO s co wn 13) c rt a 9 MS. a : It was 5 -. It was, I think uth 20 we were looking at and the 5- 21 sally port. That may be a little foreign. 22 It’s like the hallway. 23 MR. a : Yeah, sure. 24 MS. a : In between the two doors. That’s where the elevator is. EFTA00127158

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. QJ: | and what -. And what is 5-South? 4 MS. ae: 5-South was the cadre unit. The cadre unit. Ww C ies) a w a 6 ae: Yes. 7 MR. a : All right. And can you 8 just explain, briefly, what does the cadre unit 9 mean? 10 MS. a: The cadre units are inmates 11 that was desi oO nated to MCC New York. So, they Q 2 was very in custody inmates, out custody 3 inmates, community custody inmates, but their 4 designation was to MCC New York. 5 MR. a : So, does that mean 16 general population, or is mething 7 different than general population? 8 MS. a : No. They’re general 9 population. 21 MS. ae: Yes. They call them the work 22 cadres. So, they work around the building, in 23 different departments. 24 MR. a : So, I'm going to clarify that 25 a little bit. A majority of MCC New York, are EFTA00127159

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 37 w ~] the inmates awaiting trial? MS. a: Yes. Pre-trial. MR. a: Pre-trial. Cadre unit, are those inmates already sentenced? MS. QJ: 9 ves. MR. a: So, these are post-sentence inmates. They are assigned to, already sentenced, and they’re -- MS. a: Okay. Assigned to MCC New York. MR. a: -- yeah. And now, these cadre inmates, do they have any special privileges? MS. a: I wouldn't say special privileges, but some do. Meaning, they can work, MR. a: Work. And what kind of work do they do? MS. a: You have some on the electric detail. Some on the plumbing detail. You have the outside detail, which was the day and (Indiscernible *00:27:01) detail. MR. a: So, they get to move around a little bit? MS. a: They move around. EFTA00127160

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 39 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 they were assigned to MCC. MS. a: Yes. MR. a: Okay. MR. a : Okay. MR. a: Anything else on -? MR. a : I guess the last question I would say is, do you know what it was you were trying to watch? Like, what happened that caused you to try to watch the 5-South video? MS. a: I do. I can't recall the inmate’s name. We were looking for him because we suspected that he was involved with an incident that OIG Agent || (Phonetic Sp. *00:28:00) was looking into, and myself. So, this inmate name kept coming up. I can't remember if it was phones or, you know, narcotics. I can't remember. But his name kept coming up. And me and || || stated, okay, we’re going to talk to this inmate together, to see if he had any role in what we were looking at. And me and || talked, then I said, this, i. this inmate got released. And that’s what made me go and try to see exactly when he got released, you know, let me track what time EFTA00127162

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 40 1 he got released, because me and || had even 2 spoke about going to - if he got released to 3 the halfway house - we were going to go to the 4 halfway house and speak to him. w ig ° io fu het 6 MR. ae: Okay. I'm going to move on. I have a document here. oO ER n K oO wu J Nm he 8) c = 0] rt i= i) know what we’re looking at? I don't know what this is. rovided by a. from the com ive) Hi c 4 So, this wu 7) ‘a t fea) m3 oO Pal w te yy. So, | provided 7 this to who? co U wo Fs 4 Oo le re] o And I turned this over to the call. The call 24 MS. a : So, this is the call log. 25 But this is foreign except for the date and the EFTA00127163

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 41 1 end date. 2 MR. a: So, you wouldn't understand, 3 you wouldn't know what this is about? 4 MS. ae: I just know it’s a call log. 5 MR. QJ: 9 Okay. 6 ae: Because this is what he gave 7 me. So, I'm assuming this is the date somebody 8 made a call. Again, the end and time. What 9 time the other person answered. Just from 10 looking up here, at the top of it. Everything 11 down here, I don't know. 2 MR. QJ: 9=Now, cic QE: 3 you based on a request that you asked him for? 4 Did you ask him for a call, a specific call 15 log? 16 MS. ae: I want to -. 7 MR. ae : Well, read the date and 8 time, and then -- 9 MR. BJ: «So -- 20 MR. QM: -- maybe that will help. 21 MR. ae: -- the start date on this is 22 August 9t 24 MR. a : 2019. The answer date is EFTA00127164

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ~] wo 10 11 MS. J: 9 n-hon. 9th, 2019. So, it’s the same date, right? An And the end date is August the start time is 18:58:03. So, that mean ifs) And the end MS. a: Okay. Yeah. MR. a: So, the call, it seems that it lasted about 21 minutes. About 20 minutes. Yeah. H fu Again, whatever call logs that sked him for was call logs that was asked from OIG of me, hey, I need the call log. They asked for it. I know they asked for the Special Housing And -- Units. How many phones were up there. are you able to tell if that was a Special And by looking at that, Housing Unit call? MR. a : Does it show anything on I don't know. 42 d EFTA00127165

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 43 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 there, a: MR. a: There is a caller station, there is numbers and everything, but it doesn't state specifically. MR. a : Okay. Do you know anybody that made a call from the MCC on August 9th, 2019, at approximately 7:00 p.m. that would be of interest for people that were investigating? MS. a: I don't know. MR. a : So, do you know anything about Epstein calling and placing a telephone call from the SHU on August 9th, 2019? MS. QJ: only word of mouth, that I heard when I got there on the 10th, that he - I want to say the unit manager gave him a call - because that was the discussion - the unit manager gave him a call to his mother. And at that point, they were saying his mother was dead. And I don't know if this is the call, because I don't know how to read it, but I did hear that part of it. MR. a : And do you remember if you asked | for that specific information? Did Epstein place a call? EFTA00127166

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 44 10 11 12 13 14 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MS. a: I wouldn't have asked him did he place a call? I would have asked him whatever phone numbers that OIG asked me for. MR. a : Okay. Now, as far as the information that you just said, which unit manager provided who a call? MS. a: It’s my understanding that Unit Manager Bullock gave Mr. Epstein the call. MR. a : Okay. Sometime on, in the night of August 9th, 2019? MS. a: Mm-hmm. That’s my understanding. But that was just hearsay. People speaking. I didn't witness him give a phone call. No. MR. a : But you don’t know if that’s the call log for him? MS. a: I have no idea. MR. a : Okay. MR. a: And based on that, if this was the request for that, if this was the request for that call log, and this was what the communications tech pulled up, the call log that he pulled up, and this is for the SHU, would this be the phone number listed on the call log? EFTA00127167

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 45 a: Oh, I don't know. 2 MR. P| : Okay. Because I wouldn't have had Ww s U Ww a oO — wu tet 6 MR. QM: and we’ll just h her 7 initial and date both of these. 8 MR a: No problem. On both these 9 documents, just initial and date -- -- not attesting to it, it’s 3 just that, these are the documents we showed 16 MR. Ee : And one is tt memo from August 10th, and the other is the call log from 23 Acknowledgement of Inmate form BP-408 is? 24 MS. a : BP-408? Oh, I’ve been out a EFTA00127168

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 47 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 pack and PIN numbers. MR. a: Okay. So, do you know if Epstein was assigned a pack and PIN? MS. a : Oh, I don't know. MR. a: Okay. Well, our understanding was Epstein needed to be assigned a pack and PIN, and because he was at attorney conference all the time, he was never available for a pack and PIN to be set up for him. And what we’re trying to find out is, if Epstein was ever assigned a pack and PIN, and if he was assigned a pack and PIN, did he ever sign a form called Acknowledgement of Inmate form, BP-408? MS. a: Oh, I don't know. MR. a : What about if an inmate is afforded a legal call? Do they have to sign a form? MS. a: Normally, they request the legal call. This is my knowledge of being a lieutenant. They put a cop-out into their unit team, requesting that a legal phone call, and somebody from their unit team will come up with a logbook, I guess after they verify that that is their attorneys number, and they tell the EFTA00127170

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 48 uw ~] 10 11 12 18 19 20 21 22 attorney, okay, we’re going to set up this phone call for 10:00. Then they will go up and give the phone call to the inmate, and log it in the legal call back. MR. a : But you’re not aware of any kind of form that they need to sign as opposed to just the logbook? MS. a: I'm not sure because that would be unit team. MR. a : Okay. But you’re not - you don’t remember a BP-408, an Acknowledgement of Inmate form, or what it is? MS. a : No. MR. QR: Okay. MR. a: Where would we find that? If that’s a form that we’re looking for, inmate had signed something like that, where would that be kept? MS. a: I would think it would be in the inmate’s central file. MR. a: And that would be in the central office? MS. a: And I would think the unit team members would have the central file in their area. EFTA00127171

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 49 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. a: Okay. And if the inmate was in the SHU, it would be in the SHU? Ms. QJ: 9oit would still be with the unit team that the inmate was assigned to. MR. a: Okay. And now, I'm going to read you a paragraph here. This is about federal regulations. MS. QJ: 9 Okay. MR. a: “Federal regulations require that the warden of each BOP institution establish procedures to monitor inmate telephone conversations, which is done to preserve the security and orderly managing of the institution, and to protect the public. For safety and security reasons, BOP policy requires that all inmate telephone calls be made through the inmate telephone system, ITS. BOP policy recognizes that on rare occasion, in times of crisis, inmates may be permitted to make a telephone call outside of the ITS. In such circumstance, the telephone must be placed in a secure area; example, ina locked office, and must be set to record telephone calls. Additionally, the staff EFTA00127172

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 50 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 member coordinating the call must notify the BOP Special Investigative Services (SIS) via email, providing the inmates’ name and register number, the date and time of the call, the number and name of the individual called, and the reason for the call. SIS must enter this information into the telephone recording system within seven days.” MS. a: Okay. MR. a: Do you recall if you ever got notified about a call like this for Mr. Epstein? Ms. BJ: 9 No. MR. QJ: Okay. Was it standard practice at MCC if an inmate was ever afforded a call like this, would you ever get an email? = n No. I’ve never gotten an MR. Ee : Were you ever been aware Ms. QJ: No. MR. a : Were you ever aware that inmates were given calls like this where a unit team member, let’s just say if an inmate wasn’t given a pack and PIN, a unit team member would EFTA00127173

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 51 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 sometimes plug a line in to the legal line, and would let them make phone calls to personal -- MS. a: No. MR. a : -- family members? MS. a: I didn't know. MR. a: Do you know if that was against policy if they did something like that? MS. In my opinion, yes, it’s against policy because the legal line is for a legal phone call. MR. And what happens if they were to allowed to do something like that? MS. What happens to who? MR. QJ: 9No. What happens if an inmate is allowed to -? What is a call like that, if they have to make a call toa personal, a personal call, why does the call have to be made on a recorded line? MS. a: Because it can be a safety issue if they have an unmonitored call, because there’s no way for us to go back and listen to the call. It could have been a threat. You know, it could have been something that could have just been a catastrophe, and that you have no way of knowing. EFTA00127174

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 52 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 That’s why we have that ICS system in place, so we can go back and listen to the calls, and we can identify anything that was abnormal. MR. a: And I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking the situation, but a situation like this, with Mr. Epstein, the fact of the circumstances that surrounded what happened between August 93th and 10th, looking back that he was allowed to make a phone call like that on August 9th, should that have been allowed? MS. a : No. In my opinion, no. MR. QJ: 9 why not? MS. a: It goes back to what I stated. We have no way of monitoring those Phone calls. So, we don’t know if - you know, just an example - if I may, we don’t know if it was to intimidate a witness. We just don’t know the context of the call because we can't go back to listen. We don’t even know in the call if he was saying, hey, I'm feeling like this, because you have no way ef going back and listening to that call. MR. QJ: 9aAnd being that someone, that EFTA00127175

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LIMITED ies) w co wo ive) co OFFICIAL USE un ive) he was allowed to make that phone call, should someone have been standing there with him, monitoring that phone call? MS. Fs ) — wu 2 been logged up? been a log? That a call like that was made. on that? a question MR. a : This one. Sorry. MR. a: You mentioned before the call log that we showed you, that’s the call log -- EFTA00127176

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 54 1 MR. a: That call log that you said 2 that -- 3 MR. a : No. Disregard. 4 MR. | : -- okay. MR. a : You can move on. a: No problem. Now, we’re moving on to August 10th. w a oO a co Fs) Okay. wo F Would there be a record of 10 the exact time Correctional Officer Tova Noel 11 pushed the emergency button on her radio? Like 2 -? 3 MS. a: I'm not too sure if -. I 4 know when you key up the radios, they do 15 register on the control panels. In the control 16 center. But I don't know if that’s recorded, 7 where they can run, like, that’s how they ran 8 the telephone log. I'm not too sure. Only Mr. 9 Daniels will know that because he’s a com shop. 20 MR. QJ: §9=So, he would be able to pull 21 it up? 22 MR. ae : Maybe. He would be the 23 only one -- 24 MS. a : He would be the only one -- 25 MR. a : -- to answer. EFTA00127177

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE w ~] wo 10 11 wo w MS. QJ: 9 -- that -- MR. a: Could answer it. MS. a: -- would know if you can go back and pull those timeframes up. MR. a: So, just to run through the day. Let’s just say Michael Thomas, Tova Noel, the 3) ituation, they’re up there on the tier, and they discover Epstein. Ms. QJ: 9 ves. MR. a: And they wanted to hit the - they wanted to notify control, hey, there is an emergency. How would they notify control? MS. a: They should hit their body alarms which -- MR. a: Which is located where? MS. a: -- on their radio. MR. a: So, they both have a radio, or just one person? MS. a: Up in the SHU, they both should have radios. But I don’t know if they both had radios. But I know a body alarm is assigned to the Special Housing. MR. a: It’s assigned. And the body alarm is where? MS. a : The body alarm, one of the EFTA00127178

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE wi ~] 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 ~J] uw MR. a: What does it look like on the radio? MS. a: It’s an orange button. Orange or red button. MR. a: And when they hit it, everyone gets notified? MS. a: It goes across all the MR. a: And what is normal practice? Like, once it hits, what transpires? MS. a: Whoever is in the building responds to that area. When you hit that body alarm, it pops on the control panel, and a big screen, and we can see exactly where it’s coming from. MR. a: Okay. And is that the control officer? MS. a: The control officer will call it. You know, we have a body alarm in the Special Housing Unit. MR. a: And who is supposed to respond? MS. a: Normally, everybody who has a radio and who is not supervising inmates respond to that area. EFTA00127180

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LIMITED ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) OFFICIAL USE wo oo MR. a: Every supervisor? MS. a: If they’re in the building, they should be. MR. ae: What about if you are assigned the housing unit? Are you allowed to leave the housing uni Ms. QR: No. MR. QR: 9X0. MS. a : You’ re not supposed to, no. MR. a: But if, let’s say you’re internal and you’re moving around, you’re supposed to respond? MS. a: Yes. MR. a: So, as long as you’re not assigned to a housing unit, and you’re just there in the facility, you’re supposed to respond? MR. a : Is there certain officer that’s assigned to respond for emergencies? MS. ae: No. There is no specific assignment. MR. a: Okay. What is the average time it takes for additional correctional officers to respond in a case of emergency? EFTA00127181

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 59 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MS. a: Normally, within two to three minutes. MR. a: But it’s not, like, oh, yeah, and you ring the, you put the - or you press the body alarm, it’s like a matter of seconds, oh, yeah, someone is there, it takes about two to three minutes on average? MS. a: Yes. If somebody is there in a matter of seconds, that mean they’re right outside the door when that alarm went out, but most of the time, we have to get elevators, we have to run up the stairs. So, we have to get to the area. MR. BMJ: Okay. Is there one officer controlling the elevator? MS. a: The control center is controlling the elevator. MR. a: So, that control officer would have to know where the officers -- MS. a: To pick -- MR. a: -- are going? MS. a : -- everybody up. Because everybody will come across the radio. Hey, pick me up on two. Pick me up on three. Pick me up on four. So, that officer has to start EFTA00127182

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 60 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 picking up from every floor. MR. a: Do they keep a log of everything that transpires when an emergency happens? MS. a: What do you mean, a log of everything -- MR. a : Let’s just say -- MS. a: -- that transpires? MR. a: -- like, the stuff that comes over the radio. Like, the calls that come over, and when a body alarm is hit, do they keep track of, hey, this call came over the call, or this person responded. MS. QJ: 9 The practice should be, once the body alarm goes off, that control center has a logbook, as well. So, the control center officer should have that in their logbook. 7:15, a body alarm went off in the Special Housing Unit, for example. MR. a: Okay. MS. a: And if I was the responding lieutenant, and I cleared that body alarm, let’s say at 7:20, that logbook should also say, 7:20, body alarm cleared by Lieutenant EFTA00127183

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 61 w ~] wo 10 11 MR. a: Okay. And this logbook, it’s called the control officer logbook? MR. QJ: Okay. Okay. MR. a : How often do body alarms go off? Or would they, around that time? Is ct that, like, a daily occurrence, or is i weekly, or -? MS. a: I want to say almost daily, it’s body alarms. MR. Ee : Okay. So, people are very familiar with what to do when a body alarm MR. a : -- goes off. Now, just a quick question. If an operations lieutenant is relieved at, like, 6:00 a.m., let’s say, or prior, the alarm goes off at 6:33, but that operations lieutenant is still in the building, working on documentation, would that operations lieutenant, even though they’ve been relieved, would they be required to respond -- MS. a: They should. Yes. MR. a : -- they should still n EFTA00127184

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 63 1 relieved, and then is working on documentation, 2 how would they know that a body alarm was ies) activated? 4 MS. ae: Normally, you hear it. a : Oh, so, everyone could wi aw You hear it. 8 MR. a : Okay. So, like, because K 0) wu x 9 it’s a loud sound? 11 MR. Ee : Does it go throughout the 2 institution? Or just on the radios? 3 MS. a: It just go on the radios, but 4 it’s really loud. even if somebody is 5 using the bathroom, if they have their radio, 16 you hear it. a : You hear it. radio is going off outside of the bathroom, co U wo in, like, if a 21 even if they don’t have their radio in the 22 bathroom, is that what you mean? 23 MS. a: You’1l hear it. EFTA00127186

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 64 1 MR. Ee : -- the person using the restroom would hear a radio that was outside of ies) the restroom, is what you mean? 4 MS. ae: Yes. Okay. w a 6 And then, the lieutenant’s 7 office, the way it’s set up in MCC New York, is 8 we also have the Nice camera system set up with 9 s such. So, if you are there 10 and you see people running, your first instinct 11 going to be, what’s going on? Everybody is 2 running. 3 MR. a : Okay. 4 MR. a: So, if you’re still in the 15 office, and -- 16 MS If you’re in the office. 7 MR. -- office, and you’re still 8 doing work -- 9 Mm-hmm. 20 -- you should be able to see. 21 Yes, because I think it’s 22 about three or four big screen TVs in there. 23 MR. a : Now, is it a requirement 24 that they respond, or just they should respond? 25 MS. ae: I don’t, I can't recall a EFTA00127187

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE oa wi 1 policy on if you’ve been relieved, but you 2 definitely should respond. 3 MR. a : Okay. Would that be a 4 sound correctional judgment? w od io) Lad o n 7 MR. a : I'm going to move on. ; ve. yup. Ks] id a 3 going to, this document 10 that I'm showing you -- 11 a: Yes. 2 MR. ae: -- is dated Friday, August 3 9th, 2019. And then, the back is dated 4 Saturday, August 10th, 2019. Can you let us w know what this document is? 16 MS. ae: Yes. Well, this is called the SHU locator form. 8 MR. a : What does that mean? 9 MS. a : It’s basically all of the 20 ranges in SHU, and the cell numbers, and the 21 inmates that’s assigned to the cells. 22 MR. a: Okay. So, basically, a 23 roster for the SHU. 24 MS. a : It’s a roster for the 25 cell assignments, who’s the cell, assigned to EFTA00127188

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 67 wi ~] 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. a: Next document, it states “United States Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, MCC New York. Transfer Receipt.” This is dated Friday, August 9th, 2019. Received from L. a. Warden MCC New York. “Following United States prisoners.” Sorry, it’s a little tough to read. MR. a: “Prisoners together with complete files for transfer as indicated WAB, USMS, SDNY.” What is this document? MS. a : I have -. This is an R&D -. MR. QJ: 9 So, you’ve never seen one of these documents? MS. a: Documents. I don't know what that is. Well, it’s a transfer receipt. But I don’t know when they do it, and for, obviously, why they do it. I don't know. MR. QJ: 9 But you’ve never seen one of these before? MS. a: No. I’ve never physically seen the transfer receipt. MR. a: And this is not, you don’t think this is one of those documents that goes EFTA00127190

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE ies) w ~] wo 10 11 ive) 68 out to the units, saying these are the inmates that are getting transferred? MS. ae : Hmm. I don't think so. Because I’ve never seen it. As a lieutenant, I would have seen it, and if we had good officers in there, I would have received a copy, as well. I’ve only seen the rosters. The physical rosters. Never the transfer receip go out to the unit. MR. a : And when you say it’s transfer receipt, does that mean that it’s created after the prisoner is transferred? MS. a: I don't know. MR. QR: Okay. MS. a: I don't know. ts a MR. ae: The signature on that bottom. Do you recognize that name by any chance? MS. a : No. MS. QJ: 39 (indiscernible *00:50:39). don't know who that is. MR. a: Okay. No problem. MR. a : Two minutes. Two minutes. MR. ae: And this is just the last I EFTA00127191

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 69 Ww id > wu ct I'm showing you are 4 pictures. It is in black and white. 5 Unfortunately, we were not able to print it in 6 color. There’s two pictures here. I need - 7 we'll get you to (Indiscernible *0( )3) 8 after wo ih m w c a Oo 11 were taken by the coroner’s office, just to 2 clarify. 3 MS. a: Okay. 4 MR. | And these were taken at the 5 MCC, just to clarify. These look like AED 16 (Phonetic Sp. *00:51:19) machines? vy res. 7 MS. Lee) 5 No rary n And do you know what this is? It looks like a -- (Indiscernible *00:51: -- a home-made noose. A home-made noose. Yes. N i Have you seen this before? No w n Yes. EFTA00127192

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 ~] wo 10 11 MR. a: Do you know what this is? And to us, in the - because it’s in black and white, and I know in the picture it looks black MR. ae: -- to us, in color, it looks like a curtain. MS. a: No. It looks -. How can I - ? %It’s like a divider. MS. a: On wheels. MR. a : That’s what we need you to clarify. So, where is this picture taken? MS. a: I'm not too sure where they took this picture at. MR. ae: The divider on wheels. Was this something that was brought up to the SHU, or was this somewhere else? MS. a : I don't know. I don't know. MR. QJ: §9Do you recall something like that, like, that was brough up into the SHU to cover up Epstein’s cell, or was this brought in the health center to help? MS. a : I don't know. MR. QJ: Would the divider be - if EFTA00127193

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LIMITED ies) w co wo ive) oO co OFFICIAL USE 71 an inmate committed suicide - would a divider ut up outside of his cell so that other MS. ae: I’ve never seen a divider put up. Since I’ve been a lieutenant. Okay. No problem. Can you MR. a : Do you know if the i o = rv] n I don’t know. When I got there, there was no divider up. you don’t Once I arrived. No. MS. a : I didn't see -- a divider. Okay. Since the last time we spoke, else that came to mind you EFTA00127194

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LIMITED ies) w co ive) oO co OFFICIAL USE ie) think that you would want to share with us, anything else that you think would be pertinent to our investigation? I felt like Nothing that I thought about. guys touched on everything when taking the time -- Well, thank you again for MR. a: -- to talk to us. All right. Thank you No problem. MR. a : Oh, and just, you still are a lieutenant, you said? Correct? a5) K oO u And you’re right now assigned to the MDC -- MR. ae : -- but on leave? EFTA00127195

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 73 1 MR. Ee : Okay. Thank you. 2 MS. a: You're welcome. 3 MR. ae : This is Special Agent | 4 a. The time is 10:48 a.m., and we are 5 stopping the recorder. wo i=) N ive) oO co ho No w EFTA00127196

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 74 1 CERTIFICATE 2 I hereby certify that the foregoing pages 3 represent an accurate transcript of the 4 electronic sound recording of the proceedings 5 before the Department of Justice, Office of the 6 Inspector General in the matter of: 8 Interview of [xy 10 : 11 Brcaren (ose COCO 12 Brianna Rose Burton, Transcriber 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00127197