RR SwWOHNDN FWwrNP PRR RP RRP RR COND WMH a a ee ond We wWwrr Ow DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 4, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 3 : The recorder is on. My name is and I am a Senior Special Agent with the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office, and these are my credentials. Okay. This interview with Federal Bureau of Prisons employee is being conducted as part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, DOJ/OIG investigation. Today's date is August 4, 2021, and the time is 1:22 p.m. This interview is being conducted at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, the MCC, located in New York, New York. Also present is DOJ/OIG Special Agent . This interview will be recorded by me, [i HE Could everyone please identify themselves for the record and spell your last name. To start, again, I am ome Senior _ Agent This is D0J/OIG Special Agent , and these are my RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew Mmmenmrn Ww Wr APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: WITNESS: OTHER APPEARANCES: credentials. : Thank you. And I'm Qi MB: kay. And what is your position? Supervisory Correctional Systems Specialist. : Great. Thank you. This is an official D0J/OIG investigation into the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the surrounding circumstances, and you are being asked to voluntarily provide answers to our questions. Will you agree to a voluntary interview with the D0J/OIG? : Yes, : Thank you. So, there’s a form here. It's the United States Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. “You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted, pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. EFTA00114743

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Wonton fwWwrP 5 This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statements you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both.” And there’s a waiver section. It says, “I understand the warnings and assurances stated above, and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.” So, again, it’s just reminding you that you do not have to answer our questions. If there's something you feel uncomfortable with or if you want to stop at any time, you can say, yep, I can, I’m done. Okay. Make sense? Yes. Awesome. So, if you agree with that, here, you can review this. It 7 HE: This is Agent J. I'm signing as the witness. : All right. And if any of these, you don’t feel comfortable answering, that's totally fine. + Okay. : This is just to verify who you are. Oh, first, before we start, I need to place you under oath. Can you please raise your right hand? : Uh-huh. : Do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth during this interview? : Yes. : Awesome. And if there is anything you don’t understand or you want me to rephrase or ask it another way, please, by al] means _-- : Okay. : == ask me to do so and I will._What_is your current home address? Wey fwrP 6 says employee's signature. If you sign there, and then employee’s name -- Okay. : == you can print your name there. Thank you. You want my whole name? 1°11] put it on there. (Indiscernible *00:02:38) What time is it? : 1:24 p.m. Thank you for completing I can fill in the rest, though. Okay. So, where it says, employee’s name, is it something other than that. No. That’s me. Oh, that’s a W? Yeah, that’s a W. Oh, I thought it was a G. Oh, no, that’s a W. Thank you. I'm filling in the MCC, New York, as the place. And I'm cing to sign. Again, this is J a: print my name. And Special Agent , can you please sign? 8 : Thank you. And your DOB? April 2000, I think, 21. April 2021? My date of birth? Oh, Well, welcome. What's your social security number? : And what is your current cellphone number? : And what is your highest level of education? : Associates Degree. And what is that degree in? In Criminal Justice. And where is that from? And where is that? In Georgia. In Georgia? Uh-huh. Is, the name of the, what's the town? EFTA00114744

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Wonton fwWwrP 9 Me: io: It’s an online school. Oh, okay. : A nationally-accredited online school. Okay, great. And when did you attend? I attended in 2017, and I finished in 2019. HS: Okay. Great. And what did you do, prior to working for the BOP? : I used to work for J I used to work for a detention center. They used to contract illegal immigrant kids and stuff like that, for the government. : Okay. And when did you do that? I did that in, I started here I started there, I think it was in ‘97, '98. : So you did that for, like, three or four years? Yeah, three or four years, in 2001. 1998, I’m thinking. yes. WM: Yeah. 1 heard, he’s all on the news and stuff like that, and he was here. So, yeah. 11 Okay. Great. Sorry. a: I’m going to circle back to that last question. : As that Supervisory Correctional Services -- : Uh-huh. -- Specialist, what does that job duty and responsibilities, what does that all entail? I'm the supervisor of intake, intake and receiving, receiving and discharge of inmates, when they come in and when they leave. Okay. : We supervise the staff. And you, so, basically, is that considered R&D? : R&D, yes. So, receiving and discharging? a. Yes. Receiving and discharging. Yes. 10 HE: Great. Do you have any military service? :_ No. : Okay. And how long have you served with the Bureau of Prisons? It’s 20 years, 20-1/2 years, it will be 21 in April. a. Do you recall your Enter on Duty date? a. April 2000. I don’t know the day, but I know the year, 2001. So April 2001? + Uh-huh. Great. And when did you, do you remember when you went to BOP training, when you graduated? =. I went in August of 2001. I went in, yeah, August, either July or August, and I came back a week before 9/11 hit. Okay. And what is your current position with the BOP? —. Supervisory Correctional Systems Specialist. a. Are you familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? 12 HE; you supervise all of that staff? + Uh-huh. And how long have you been -- HE. ezh. It’s another supervisor there, also. Oh, there’s two of you? Yeah, it’s two of us. And who is the other one? Her name is Do you happen to know how to spell that last name? : But she goes Oh, okay. So, MM is a second : Yeah. Uh-huh. [a Uh-huh. Yeah. last name? : Okay. Okay. And do you, like, differentiate between your duties, the two of you? EFTA00114745

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Wonton fwWwrP 13 HE: No, not really. We all do the same thing, cause we're on different shifts. : So, we do the same thing on each shift. Okay. So you both are responsible for the same thing? : Yes. Uh-huh. Just different times of day? = the times of day, yes. : How long have you been in that position? —. I've been in the position, it will be three years in April. : And do you remember when you started? I started in April 2019. Okay. Great. All right. Now, are you fami liar with Jeffrey Epstein? : Yes. —. Okay. And was he housed within the MCC in July and August of 2019? I think so. Yes. And you had the same 15 W|I don’t recall, but I probably did day watch, 6 to 2. I probably was here during the da : Okay. So, 6 a.m. to 2 p.m? Yes, : On August 9th? : Uh-huh. I probably was. I got to look at my -- : That would be a Friday. : Yeah. I have to look at it, and see if I was here. ME: kay. And would they have been the same duties and responsibilities that you have described? Yes. Yes. : Okay. Uh-huh. And who would you primarily work with during that time? —. I work with all the CSOs, Correctional Systems Officers. I don’t know who was on that day -- : == cause that was, like, two Wey fwrP position at that time, correct? : And you have already described your duties and responsibilities. Did you have any interaction or involvement with Epstein during his stay at the MCC? >No. What about when he came in or when he -- HM: No. I don’t recall. No. I don’t_think I ever seen him. No? No. : Okay. Huh-uh. Not on suicide watch or anything like that? No. Huh-uh. Or in SHU? Okay. : Do you recall if you actually worked at the MCC on August 9th and 10th, 2019? years ago. : Sure. : So I don’t remember who was on. Do you all, like, so, R&D is a different piece with us. We have, like, all, like, the, oh, what is it called, the daily, like, schedule and logs of everybody who worked -- HN.) the lieutenants, yeah, that's the lieutenant log. Yeah. Do you guys, well, this is different. I'm talking about, like, the, like, who was working in the custody side of the house. Do you guys have, like, anything like that, like, for instance, here would be the August 10, 2019 daily assignment roster. a. Yeah. We have a daily assignment, but not a roster. : Okay. : It’s a daily assignment. It will have, like, everybody's name that’s on it, and we just check off who is here. : And then we'll put who is not EFTA00114746

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Wonton fwWwrP 17 here, like, AL for Annual Leave, SL for Sick Leave. But we do have that, but it doesn’t look like that. : Okay. So, would we be able to go back and see who actually worked on August_9, 2019? ME. Ninth, yes, we should have it. s. H.C 1 ask you terribly to do me some favors and start, can you, can we start a list and ask you to, like, provide some of this stuff for us? Yeah. Ye You can write it down. Uh-huh. Awesome. So, if you want to start, , just, the first one would be who was assigned on August 9th, August 8th and 9th, 2019. And did you report to anyone? Who did you report to back then? a. My supervisor was . (Phonetic Sp. *00:10:12) We call him . I can't even pronounce, we call, his last name, I can't even pronounce his last name, but we call him , | : Okay. 19 that you mentioned that work in R&D, did they report to you? Yes. : Okay. Uh-huh. Me and [J : Okay. And were you previously interviewed under this investigation? No? Do you have any, what is your understanding of what happened to Epstein on August 9th and 10th of 2019? —. That he just committed suicide. That's it. Okay. So, do you know how he died? No. Huh-uh. : No? Do you know if he, like, died of hanging or anything like that? I guess it was hanging. I heard it was hanging, but I don't, I didn’t really, like, ask, cause -- es. Okay. And do you have Wey fwrP 18 He’s over in Brooklyn now. Okay. Over there. And what was his position then? :_ He's a CNC. : What does a CMC stand : Case Manager Coordinator. : Okay. : Yeah. CMC, Case Manager Coordinator. Uh-huh. HR; who would be the Case Manager Coordinator now? for? : Oh, he’s still the same one? HM; But he’s still the same person, but he’s just over in Brooklyn. a. When you say Brooklyn, at the MDC? MDC, Brooklyn. Yes. : Okay. Yes. And did all those people 20 any information with regard to any suspicious activity that occurred on August 9th or 10th, 2019 -- >No. | -- leading up to the discovery of Epstein in his cell? :_No. . No? Okay. So, these are, now, we'll get into kind of the reason why we're here, is to get into this documentation. So, we have, there’s an inmate, it’s, Epstein was housed with a cellmate named Efrain Reyes. Uh-huh. And we have a couple of things coming from the U.S. Marshalls Service. : Saying what was going on with Efrain Reyes. So, here is one. It says it’s from a Sampson (Phonetic Sp. *00:12:04) Choo. | Choo. Uh-huh. : C-H-0-0. It was sent on Thursday, August 8, 2019, at 10:34 a.m. : And it's, you're one of EFTA00114747

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Wonton fwWwrP 21 the, it looks like it says R (Indiscernible *00:12:14). : Yeah, that’s all R&D. Yeah. : Okay. So, it was sent to all R&D. :_ Uh-huh. Yeah. : And yourself, and it says, “Transfer of Prisoners from NYM to Geo." To Geo, yes. : So, is that from the MCC to the contract facility? : Yeah, from MCC, and he’s transferring to Geo, yes MEM: O2y. Great. And then, in the body, it says, “The following prisoners are to be transferred.” : It says Jayvon Busey (Phonetic Sp. *00:12:37) and then Efrain Reyes. Yes, a, “Please schedule transfer for Friday, 8/9/19." : Uh-huh. a And we have another one, the same date, it says it's from a different 23 Hand it says, “Transfer within.” Yes. Does this tell you what happened with Efrain Reyes? This just says that he transferred to Geo. That's it. That's what this says. He's transferring. : That's all it says. But right here, when they do a transfer, I don’t know, like, right here, this says court. So, I don’t know if he went out to court and then they transferred him, you see what I'm saying? : Uh-huh. : (Cause this says court. And plus, as me being a supervisor, I don't do the movement. Okay. So who, who -- I'm not the movement officer. So who would do that? : would be the one? es. Yeah, she does the : Y Me and TO we don't do the movement. Wey fwrP 22 person with the Marshalls Service, saying - Again, this is all, like, R&D. R&D and other staff, yes. : As well as the lieutenants and, okay. Uh-huh. : Yes, : There’s you, and it says, “Prisoner production, 8/9/2019.” Thursday, August 8, 2019. : Was sent out -- That was sent at 3:36 Uh-huh. : And then within it, it has the prisoner’s schedule report, and the second person, there are the two people that I just listed -- p.m. Yes, -- and the second person being Efrain Reyes. Yes. movement. Okay. So, based upon this, does this, cause this person also is listed as transfer within, court. Yeah, and court. Yes. And everybody else -- Uh-huh. -- no one else has that next to their name. They all have, like, sentencing hearing, sentencing, status hearing. —. Yeah, but that still, the type is court. That's just what they’re going to court for. Right. So, this one, though, being that says transfer within, court HN: Transfer, he’s transferring, and he (Indiscernible *00:14:16). — Does that mean he was going to court, or that’s just an automatic field? HE: I quess that's automatically, they put that there, cause this is the U.S. Marshalls form. So, I think they automatically just put that there. I think what it is, is EFTA00114748

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 25 that when they come and pick up the inmates, cause the U.S. Marshalls will pick up the inmates. : Uh-huh. : And they will transfer them. So, I guess they go sit over there, like they're going to court, and then Geo comes over there and they pick them up from the U.S. Marshalls. : Okay. :_ That's how it works. So, when someone is transferred, so, when these people are transferred from here to Geo -- + Uh-huh. -- what document is created by, I guess it sounds like MM, but by the BOP (Indiscernible *00:14:53). We only do like a, we need, like a transfer receipt from the Marshalls, saying that they're going to transfer and we usually just need a 64, : Uh-huh. : And a medical summary. A 64 is a transit form. 27 usually puts, WAB, on there. a. Now, if that court list is provided to us, so if Epstein was housed in the SHU, the SHU would be provided that court list, correct? Yes. : It would say -- : It would be like a, it’s like It’s not -- I said Epstein, I'm sorry, I mean, Efrain Reyes. : Yeah, it’s like -- : If Reyes was housed in the SHU -- a roster. It’s like a roster. They wouldn’t get this or anything like that. It’s just like you go on Sentry and you print out a roster and it will have his name on there, and then we'll write down what unit he’s on, and then internal will come and pick it up, or they will hand it out, whatever, whoever is going out to court, that’s the unit that they give the court list to. Okay. : That's how it works. PRR RR SwWwKNrPOCOW OHMS fWwNP RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 26 : Okay. : That the BOP, that we just go on Sentry and do a PP 64 and put the reg number, and we put T for transfer, and down at the bottom, we could put as many reg, I think it’s like 20 reg numbers down there, of whoever inmates are leaving, and then a 64 will be printed out. : Okay. :_ And it’s just a transit form. : Now is there something that's like, would these people be placed on the court list, though? put on the court -- They would be placed on the court_list, yes. Yes. WE. fd vnat vould it say next to their name? : WAB. And that's it? That’s it. : Okay. Uh-huh. That's what she HE: So, would those people know if he was going to court or being transferred? Yes. Okay, so they would be Yes, 28 : They wouldn't know that. They wouldn’t know that? They would just know it was WAB? Cause it’s really, like, it’s really none of their business. — Right. Okay. : Yeah. They would just know that he’s gone. You know what I mean? Well, because, like, kind of like when you said, when I said, you knew who Efrain, or, you know, Epstein was or is, you said, yeah, he went to court. Yeah. Uh-huh. Cause, is that -- Yeah, cause, I’m - -- $0, like, that’s actually the rumor? a. That’s what, that’s what it would be, or we'll call up there, like, are you going to send Efrain Reyes down, and they will say, yeah, he’s going to court, and then if he doesn’t come back, we might call up there, or EFTA00114749

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo l nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 29 they will know that he’s not, cause he’s not, or they’l]_call_us and ask us. : Okay. : You know? Or something like that. So, they should have, I’m thinking they should have known we would have probably, somebody probably would have told them that he wasn't coming back, he was getting transferred. : Okay. So, as far as this, there’s the daily log, 8/9/2019, and on the third page of this shows Reyes, pre- removed. : Now, if he was just going to court -- It would say court. : Yeah. It wouldn't say pre-removed? It wouldn’t say pre-removed. Yes. So, this is, by looking at all of this, I’m assuming you can tell, yeah, he was never going to court. He was always going to be transferred? He was going, yes. Yes. 31 Yes. :_No, it wouldn’t have been her All right. : She just does the movement. So, it would be the person that's on the front desk. So, if the people that escorted Reyes down -- : Uh-huh. : -+ to R&D and they knew that WAB was actually, in fact, listed next to his name -- : Uh-huh. -- should have they known that he is not coming back, if it says WAB? Not really. No? : Because they don’t work R&D. You see what I mean? They work custody. : Okay. : So, it depends who was up there. It could have been new staff, who knows. Cause a lot of people don’t know what WAB does. Well, they know it means PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 30 GR: Okay. And I think this may have been what you were saying. Is there any way for the SHU staff to know, he’s leaving and not coming back, rather than -- a. See, we don’t, like, it depends. Cause we really don’t, we really don’t tell them, like, if I talk to them, I might say, like, he’s not coming back. : Or so, I might tell them, so I don’t know, on that day, who called up there and told them to have him ready, you know what I mean? And have him ready, and he’s not coming back. Now, who would normally call and tell them that? It would be the person that’s working in R&D. : Okay. So would it be for this, as well? It wouldn’t be MM. Yeah, she just does the movement. : Okay. : That's it. It wouldn’t have been 32 probab| “with all belongings.” Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s true. : So, a person who would say, yeah, I know it's with all belongings, and, you know, we know it’s very likely there is not going to come back, but we don’t know for sure. Does that sound at all reasonable? They probably would have asked, like, called to see if he was coming back. Like, it was after, maybe 4:00 or something like that -- a. Then they usually would - -- they probably would have asked if he was coming back, cause, like, when I first transferred here, I worked in Brooklyn and then I transferred to Butner. I didn’t know what WAB meant -- Right. : -- until I got here, cause we don’t_use WAB, you see what I mean? a Yeah, but if these people, if these people absolutely said no, we know what WAB is -- EFTA00114750

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 33 : == but they thought, you know, if they’re claiming, well, we thought he was going to court, and there’s always a chance he could come back from court? So, see what I’m saying? So, with this guy -- + Yeah. : == $0 this goes, so where this fits in is, Epstein, did you know that Epstein was required to have a cellmate? :_ I didn’t know that, no. : Okay. So, he was required to have a cellmate, and Reyes was his cellmate. : Okay. : So, part of the reason why they're saying that Epstein died is because his cellmate was removed and never replaced. So, you know, some people say it’s because of the 30 minute rounds, or a lot of it is the combination, some people are saying, well, there was no one in his cell, so he took advantage of not having anybody in there. : Okay. : So, in this case, the SHU 35 : All the same -- : == everybody at the same time, and take them over there, so that’s why they have court. : Okay. :_On their form. : So, this is, anytime we present someone with documents, you just ask them to initial and date it. Okay. : It's not to vouch for the, not certifying it’s accurate, just so you can say, this is what we discussed. : What I saw. Okay. : So, just anywhere. it is the 4th. And So, the two emails, technically, what you're saying, this goes hand-in-hand, one says he's being transferred, the other one states that he is being picked up by the Marshalls (Indiscernible *00:21:09). Yeah. Yeah. They both go hand-in-hand, because this one is the Marshalls, that they’re telling us, but they’re telling us WAB, he’s going to Geo. So, we'll PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 34 staff, some people are saying, yep, I knew he was WAB, but there’s always a chance that he could, he could have returned. Is that a legit No. Not a WAB. No? So, a WAB, they should have known he ain’t coming back? Huh-uh. He's not coming back. Yeah. Okay. WAB. : Okay. Unless we tell you something But a WAB, he’s not coming back. Okay. So, it's the primary question then. : Yes. : Great. So, again, to you, so, (Indiscernible *00:20:19), he was being transferred, not going to court. Not going to court. But I guess the Marshall just took court, because when they come, if a WAB is leaving with the Marshalls, they usually just put court, because they pick the inmates up -- different. know he’s transferring to another state. That's another state facility that houses federal inmates for the Marshalls. And then this one is the list that the Marshalls put out, also, so they kind of go hand-in-hand. : How the pick-up itself is (Indiscernible *00:21:30). Yes, how the pick-up, yes. But everything is going to say court on the side, because the Marshalls are going to pick up, when they pick up the court, they're picking up the WABs also. a. And on that court document, you might have answered this already, the court document that’s created internally, it would have said WAB? Yeah. Like, it’s like almost, a receipt, a transfer receipt that we do. : Okay. : And it will say WAB. It will say, like, it will say his reg number, his name, and it will say his unit and it will say pre-removed, so pre-removed, that means he’s not _ back. You know what I mean? And that’s (Indiscernible EFTA00114751

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 37 *00:22:04). Pre-removed. Yeah. He's not coming back. So that’s what would it be. It would say pre-removed. a. Do you have a copy of an example of what that court document looks like? No, right? Is it possible that we -- Caml The court list? : The court list. Do we, if you can provide us with one? =, We don't have, huh-uh. : No, not that one, but any type of -- Which one? : =+ what it looks like? : Any samples? : Yeah. I could -- Has it changed since that time, that document? Cause we do a, but, yeah, the Marshalls, now they got a picture on theirs, the picture of the inmate and stuff like that. And now we sign for it. I don’t know if that’s because of Epstein. I don’t know. 39 : Okay. With that, just so we can say, like, cause, like you said, you don’t have that court list anymore? : No. Huh-uh. No. Huh-uh. And are they maintained for any amount of period of them? :_ We, no. Huh-uh. So that day, you get rid of them? : Uh-huh. Yeah. And there are never emails or anything? I don’t know how far my emails are going to go back. You see what I'm saying? I don’t think my emails go all the way back. Well, we have access to be able to get everybody’s emails. Okay. Cause we actually got those, some of these from -- So, you could probably look and see. But are they ever emai led? =— ROW OHMS fwrNP PRR RRR RR OCOD Sw R mm nd MmeMmnNr Ww = Wh Re CWO HM fWwrNP 38 But we just want an example. Now we have to sign. If you can provide us -- Okay. I'll put that on here. : I'l] put that, write that down. Write down Marshalls, like a Marshalls receipt. And I can give you a copy of it. I’11 black, can I blacken out the inmate’s photos on there? : That's fine. Photos and the name, if you want. Okay. We just need to see -- You just want to see -- -- what it says next to their_names. :_ Yeah, their new one. (Indiscernible *00:23:03) differentiate -- :_ The ones that the Marshalls -- -- somebody is going to court or someone is being transferred, you know. 40 HM: Because that would be would, yeah, she would have did it, because she would email to the unit team and to medical, stating that she needs a medical summary form. a. Okay. So, and she would have sent the court list? Yeah, she would have sent the, like, not, see, he would, since he is WAB, it would be a receipt that she would send out, saying that she needed a medical summary and a 64 for him. Okay. Make sure you're documenting those, too. =. Yeah, they wouldn't get the, they wouldn’t get the court list, like the unit team that, his unit team and the medical department wouldn’t get the court list. She would do her own one and send it, saying that they're leaving, those two are leaving and can you please send me a medical summary and a 64? But the actual court list wouldn’t be emailed to anybody? Yeah. It probably would. I don’t know how the Marshall was doing it at that time. I think they were doing it just EFTA00114752

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rR CWO D SWwrNP 41 like that. But we don’t email the Marshalls court_list to anybody like that. a. No, no, no. I mean, like, don’t you create what you give to the SHU, saying -- a. It's a roster. It's ona, when we go on Sentry, that’s how it’s created. a: But is it still on Sentry, that -- No. It gets deleted. Okay. Yeah. And we get a new, we do a new one. : Every day? : Yeah. And that’s what [i does. that So, it’s only kept for Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. And there’s no way to -- And it’s not really even kept. Right. We just print it out. That's Like, we got, when we go in to do another we got to delete the old one. WM: Yeah, to see if she has it. If ya'll could go back in her email, I don’t know how, cause she’s the movement person. : Right. : So, to see how far she went back. WE. Yeah, if you could ask her, I mean, it might come, mean more from you. : Okay. She won’t be back until 43 tomorrow. Right. to be back here tomorrow. Okay. She won’t be back until She comes in at 12. Okay, perfect. Anything more on Reyes before we move to Fernandez? : No. : Okay. Do you have any (Indiscernible *00:25:56) any daily lieutenant logs? None. : No. : None? All right. So, if you see on this daily lieutenant log, just to close out the loop with Reyes, it does actually say, we don’t know when it was entered, but it And we’re hoping 12 tomorrow. 42 HE: kay. So, it’s never kept for any period of time, really? No. Huh-uh. Printed out, given out -- Given out. Yeah. Uh-huh. -- then (Indiscernible *00:25:10) shredded. Yeah. Trashed? All right. So there’s no way for us, whatever was created, saying what it said next to Efrain Reyes’s name, whether it said WAB or not, there’s no way to tell -- :_I can ask to see -- Yeah, yeah. We're going to talk to her. Yeah. Talk to, and see if she has it. When she came in, just so you know, she was great. She was very cooperative. : Yeah. To see if -- : But we didn’t have these documents (Indiscernible *00:25:29). 44 does say at 8:38, he was pre-removed. Now, the other person we wanted to talk to you about is this I.M. Fernandez, and it says on dry cell with staff watching, R&D. : I don’t -- : And then it says, “At 3:15 p.m., on August 9, 2019, Fernandez was placed on dry cell from ZA,” which is the SHU. Do you know anything about this? NO. Huh-uh. : No? Does that ever, does that happen often that people are placed in dry cell and watched in R&D? : In R&D? No, cause we don’t Jet them. Huh-uh. You don’t let them do that? : We don’t let them do it, no. : Do you know, do you recall] at all being that the Epstein involvement on there, this was the Friday before it, someone being in R&D? a. No, I don’t recall at all. EFTA00114753

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 45 Huh-uh. HE: Would that be something that you would have known? You know (Indiscernible Huh-uh. : No? : If they would have brought them in and send them in there with the staff, probably, if they would have told me, I would said, no. Take them back up to SHU and put them on a dry cell. : Okay. : Cause we don’t put them down here, cause we're not watching them. : So, if, so it says that he’s with staff on R&D. : See, I don’t even know what staff they're talking about. Was he, was another, was a custody staff watching him? MEME, Yeah, that I'm not sure of. WM. was it R&D? You see what I’m saying? a. So, what I was going to ask, though, is so he was never keyed out. *00:26:55) No. 47 SHU and putting him in R&D, who would be responsible for actually making that movement? :_ The lieutenant. The lieutenant would be? : Whatever lieutenant, either the SHU lieutenant or operations lieutenant. Okay. So, if the SHU lieutenant is actually off that day? : Operations. Operations lieutenant? Uh-huh. Okay. And not the SHU staff? : No. They can’t. Huh-uh. They don’t have authorization to do that. : Okay. So it would have been the operations lieutenant that was responsible? : Operations lieutenant. Yes. Okay. All right. So, let's see. And the operations lieutenant at that time, I think, so, this would have happened at 3:15, he was placed on that, that would have been {MMMM, cause he was 2 to 10. Do you want to quickly show, let me see the 10 — CSCwWOHUMDMS fwrP What you see here is the movements for Fernandez. It shows that he was placed in, placed in Z, let’s see -- : L5 cell. : Yeah, I’m just trying to figure out, where does it say the SHU part? Z is SHU. Z is SHU? Uh-huh. Okay. Placed in SHU on 8/2/2019? Okay. : And then it says that he was removed and placed in, I guess, RAD. : Yeah. RO1, yeah. I don’t -- : In ROL. But he wasn’t keyed out until 8/10/2019, at 12:35 a.m. :_ I don’t -- : And then it says it was corrected, cause he was never keyed out of the SHU and placed into R&D until the following morning. Huh. Do you know who would be responsible, if they are taking him from the 48 p.m. and the 10 p.m. and the 12 a.m. counts? Cause I want to show her the count slips, so she can tell me who those people were that submitted count slips. : To show, I don’t have (Indiscernible *00:29:03). WE: Yeah. Yeah. The other ones. I just want to show her the names. a. You want the 5 p.m., 10 p.m., and 12? Nope. Just the 10 p.m. and the 12. I got the 10 p.m., and this is the 12. Okay. So, this is 10 p.m. : 12 a.m. :_Here’s the count slip we got from R&D, . (Phonetic Sp. *00:29:28). Would that be Custody or one of your people? ME: EE 0, that's Custody. — That’s a Custody person? : Yeah. That ain’t us. Huh-uh. EFTA00114754

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 49 81) right. Not an rao person? : Yeah. : Okay. RAD. : They just picked it up. I think it was just in R&D. That's where the count was at, but that’s not, wasn’t in our, huh-uh. And what about, this one This was the 12 a.m. -- Who is that? It looks like a ? (Phonetic Sp. *00:29:52) Custody. That was Custody? Now, what time was is the same. Yeah. that? : A minute -- : That one says 12:01 a.m. : We don’t even work until, we work until 10 p.m. a. Would they be able to have stayed in there? : Yeah. : By themselves? 51 that time. Do you mind just initialing and dating these -- : Yes, : == to show what we talked about. (Indiscernible *00:31:04). Do you recall what time you left that day? : I don’t even remember if I was here. If I was, I would have left by 2, sometimes 2:30 or something like that. Yeah, I don’t even recall if I was here that day. The 9th, right? Yeah. :_And then, thank you very much. Here you go, The next thing would be, we have had to do pretty thorough email reviews and this is, where is it, something to do with you being involved with SHU meetings or something. Oh, I had to go when I was at the, to go to the SHU meeting. : That one? : Yep. I don’t know how you got my (Indiscernible *00:32:16) assigned this, or we were going over it. Okay. So, this one, it says that, please accept this =— ROW OHMS fwrNP PRR RRR RR OCOD Sw R mm nd MmeMmnNr Ww = Wh Re CWO HM fWwrNP :_ Anybody, yeah. Uh-huh. : There you go. : Yeah. We work from 6 to 2, 6 to 2, and we got two shifts from 12 to 8 and then evening watch is 2 to 10. So we're not even there after 10:00. Okay. So, as far as you're concerned, though, if the SHU lieutenant is out, when that inmate was moved from the SHU to the R&D, placed on dry cell, the Ops lieutenant should have keyed -- It should have been operations or the activity lieutenant. And not -- I don’t know which one. What about Control? Could have Control done it? : No. Huh-uh. : No? : They, no, they don’t have authorization to move an inmate. Okay. So, just, okay. Yeah. : So the Ops lieutenant. And that would have been a at 52 appointment as a reminder to attend the weekly complex SHU meetings. This meeting is normally scheduled for every Wednesday at 9 a.m. And this one, it says it was from Tuesday, 8/6/2019. + Uh-huh. : I know this was a long time ago, but do you remember at all, well, first of all, what were those SHU meetings about? They just go around about the inmates. Like the inmates on Unit 10, up there, and the SHU inmates. They just go around where every inmate that is in SHU. : Okay. : Like, if they're on DS, if DS is over or they're on FBI referrals and stuff like that. That's all it’s about. WR: okay. Did they talk at all about, like, if the cameras weren't working or anything like that in the SHU? : No. Huh-uh. : That wouldn't be something you discussed? = Huh-uh. No. EFTA00114755

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Wonton fwWwrP 53 HE: 0 you know anything about_the cameras not working in the SHU? Or at the MCC at all? August 9th? Huh-uh. No? Okay. So, it would be just talking about the inmates during this? WN: Yes. That's all they talk about, the inmates, yes. : All right. : Was there any specific discussions about Epstein? i 45 You know, I don’t remember. : Anything that stands out, like they might have mentioned, hey, he’s on Special Watch or anything like that? Are you familiar with the SHU? Yes, : Do you know what this is a picture of? MM: That's 10. This would be 10. 55 All right. Do you mind, I'l] just do it for you. : Oh, you know that? : I knew, I knew the rest. I just didn’t know that this was the SHU LT. Yeah, the SHU lieutenant, cause you come up the steps, right here. And this is the SHU lieutenant, and then it’s Unit 10 right there. : And this is the emergency exit? Uh-huh. And is this the, what is Yes, this? HE The station, officer’s station. Officer's station? Yes. So, I’m just going to say OS for this. Do you happen to know what that goes to? What tier is that? Is that, no -- | ml To the left? : -- I think L, is it L? I Wey fwrP : This is 10 South? :_ Ten South. : These are the doors to 10 South? HM: That's the door, and that’s the lieutenant, and I forget what that door, the lieutenant's door is right there. So, the lieutenant, is that, like, the SHU lieutenant? SHU lieutenants. Okay. Uh-huh. So, the SHU lieutenant actually sits right outside 10 South? a. Half the time, he or she is not even in their office. They're running around SHU. Okay. So, like, the officer's station is right here? : Yes. Uh-huh. And this is the SHU lieutenant's office? SHU lieutenant, and that’s Unit 10. So, that’s news to me. 56 don’t know which one that is. That’s fine, cause here's the, according to this, it looks like it would be, this would be J tier and that would be L tier, but if you don't know off the top of your head, that’s fine. : Okay. I don’t know. You know what? Yeah. It's probably J, and it’s H or something down below. And then there's G tier over here, going up the steps, going towards Unit 10. Cause I don’t really -- Yeah. Well, this is that. > Okay. For our purposes, that’s the big thing you provided to us, was that that's the SHU lieutenant. : Okay. And were you familiar with Epstein? What cell he was housed in? a. They told me afterwards, that that was his cell -- Not during that time? :_-- but not during the, huh-uh. Okay. EFTA00114756

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP That's fine. Do you mind just initialing and dating that? Thank you very much. You're welcome. Here you go. Why did I print this one out? Oh, this one just showed that you actually worked on August 10, 2019. I guess you put in for overtime. Yeah, I do -- For the emergency? Did you learn anything during that time, when you were working, about Epstein and his death? : No, not really. I really didn’t, they told, they called me in. I really didn’t want to come in. So, you know. On Saturday? Why wouldn’t you? I really, no, I really didn’t want to come in. They called every, they called everybody in. I didn’t want to come up Huh-uh. 59 :_No. : Cause when you came in, you first said, yeah, he went to court. Was that your understanding, he went to court? =. Yeah. That's what I was, yeah, that’s my understanding, until you showed me the thing. a. So was that the first time you're seeing -- : Cause I wouldn’t remember -- : == that he actually wasn’t in court, and he was transferred? I probably seen it two years ago, but I just didn’t remember until you showed me, but I knew he went to court. They said he went to court, but nobody ever said WAB, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. So, until you showed me. So, you thought he went to court? | he went to court. : And (Indiscernible *00:36:59). Yeah, but then I found out =— ROW OHMS fwrNP PRR RRR RR OCOD Sw R mm nd MmeMmnNr Ww = Wh Re CWO HM fWwrNP 58 in here. They just called everybody in. I just heard that he committed suicide and that’s it, and they just wanted all the staff to come in. HE: okay. Was there any talk at that time about Reyes or any of that stuff, about his cellmate being removed? No. Huh-uh. Nobody talked about that? Did you learn anything about that after the fact? : After. What did you learn? : I just learned that they said Reyes was his roommate. I didn’t even know he was. Okay. At the time. Was there any talk about, like, he left, unbeknownst to the SHU staff or anything like that, or any talk about how it happened -- : Yeah. No. Huh-uh. -- or where he went? 60 later that he was his Bunkie. : Okay. And did they ever question R&D about, hey, is this, did he really go to court or not? : No. Huh-uh. No one has ever spoken to anybody? a. They never said nothing to us about anything. a. Okay. And here we come. So, let’s, filling in some blanks. Thank you. So nothing special from that day that you can think of? No. Huh-uh. No. didn't want to come in. Do you know of anything about, like, records being destroyed during that time or anybody recovering anything? No. No. Huh-uh. Nothing. That I just Nothing. Do you remember where it, ou did when you came in on that Saturday? —. They just was, I know they wanted his records. Like, the, like, I forget what they wanted, to make copies and everything what EFTA00114757

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP of stuff, of his file. That’s what they wanted. Copies of his file and stuff like that. And they was asking us where his file was. : Which file was that? : And stuff, Epstein's file. : Yeah, what type of a file? It's just a regular generated R&D file. It just has his remand in there. You probably already have a copy of it. His remand, and fingerprint card has pictures in there, and stuff like that. That’s all it is. But nothing to do with the file that was actually in the SHU for, like, his feeding and his (Indiscernible *00:38:11) or anything like that? : No. No. We don’t get any of that. : Okay. : Huh-uh. Do you know anything about that being destroyed or anything? :_No. No? 63 the General Foreman yet? WE; don’t think he was. think, I wouldn't know. : Okay. : But usually, they do put out emails, saying congratulations, but you don’t start_on that day. : Perfect. : Huh-uh. : Thank you. And this is one that was from you, sent on Sunday, August 10, 2019, to . Who is ? : He's Executive Assistant. This is his office. : Okay. a. : Uh-huh. Uh-huh. It says, “Wellness I don’t Checks.” Yes. : It says, “Good afternoon. On 08-17-2019, called Officer Thomas -- + Yes, : == at 2 p.m. No answer. Left a message. On 08-17, called Officer Noel at 2:02 p.m. No answer. Left a message.” =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 62 F o Were you in the SHU at all at_that_time? F o No? Okay. What about on the 9th? Were you in the SHU at all? = Co : Okay. : Huh-uh. No. Huh-uh. Cause I don’t think they would let us up there. I wouldn't have went, anyhow. That’s not important. This one was an email we got. It said, please join Human Resources Executive Staff in congratulating (Phonetic Sp. *00:38:40) Utilities Program Manager on his selection to General Foreman here at the MCC New York. This was on Monday, August 5, 2019. Do you know if he started that date, or if that was just saying he was selected for it, and starting at a later date? a. Usually, it's just, he is selected for that date. He is selected. They just put out that he is selected. That's it. a. But he wasn’t actually 64 then it says, “On 08-18-2019, called Officer Thomas at 1 p.m., no answer. Left a message. On 08-18-2019, called Officer Noel at 1:03 p.m., the phone went to voicemail, left a message.” Is that what part of your duties -- a. Duty Officer. I was the Duty Officer for that week. And what does that mean? : Duty Officer is, like, when the Warden and everybody is not here, I, and afterhours, anything that happens, they report to me, as the Duty Officer. : You're, like, the Warden? : Almost. Yeah, almost, afterhours, but I still got to report everything to the, who is the ID that is underneath me, and that would be one of the Aw’s, and then they report to the Warden. : Okay. : So, , he is over the Duty Officer, so he asked me and I guess other people that was the Duty Officer to call and do a Wellness Check on them. Did you ever speak with them? EFTA00114758

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rR CWO D SWwrNP No? So, just called. Never got to -- | called. Never. Huh-uh. : Okay. So, did you ever speak to them about this matter, ever? : No. Never. Neither Thomas nor Noel? Huh-uh. Okay. Have you seen them? :_ No. : Okay. Any, do you know anything about the matter with regards to Thomas and Noel? H..1 just know that they was up in SHU at the time when Epstein, and everything happened with Epstein. That’s all I know. a. Okay. Did you hear anything about, like, not doing counts or rounds or anything like that? : Yeah, I heard that. : Does that surprise you? 67 did you receive anything that would have been related to Epstein or Reyes and delete it? No. Huh-uh. No? Okay. So, it would have just been potentially a light, this is from your inbox, potentially a light, light day? Probably a light day. Okay. p. But never, you don’t remember ever receiving anything or sending anything regarding -- —. No, that I, no, I don’t remember. Huh-uh. Uh-huh. -- Epstein or Reyes? No. Huh-uh. : Okay. If ya'll find something, ya'll I don’t -- No, no, no, no. we haven't done a deep dive. : Yeah, I don't -- I just, I don’t know what can remind me. There’s, — CSCwWOHUMDMS fwrP : Yeah. : It does? : Yeah. Cause that’s Corrections 101. You're supposed to do your rounds. Okay. But does, had you heard of anybody not doing it prior to that time? No. Huh-uh. No? Okay. Do you have any reason to believe that they did or did not do rounds or counts? I wouldn’t know, cause I wasn't there. : Sure. : So I wouldn't know. And this is just a simple question, because in looking through, and this isn't any kind of, anything other than just a question, in looking through your emails, you had a lot of emails from the 8th and then a lot of emails after the 15th. : Uh-huh. And only one on the 9th and nothing surrounding that. By any chance, 68 you would be involved in, so I just, we have to, I figured I would ask. : Nothing. Nothing. : Probably always the ability to do that, but if you're telling us that the hot list is in there, I don’t know that there would be a reason. So, it’s the primary, you said the hot list is, not the hot list, I’m sorry. The court list. The roster, yeah, the court list. All right. Now, I'm just going to go over these broad topics. It sounds like you’re probably not going to have much information on it -- : Okay. -- but just to make sure we're covering and checking off all our boxes. : Okay. : And some of this might be a little bit repetitive. What do you know of Epstein’s alleged first suicide attempt on July 23, 2019? | "t know anything. : No? Did you know that he EFTA00114759

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 69 attempted to commit suicide? —. No. I found out afterwards, after the second one. : Okay. + Yeah. And you found out that he had attempted suicide (Indiscernible *00:43:05 : Yeah, prior. Yes. Uh-huh. : Do you know if, like, he attempted to commit suicide or did you hear anything about, maybe, his cellmate had tried to harm him? No. I just heard that he attenpted suicide. a. Okay. Do you know if he was placed on suicide watch? No. I wouldn't know that. I don’t_know that. Okay. So, do you know anything about him being prematurely removed from suicide watch or psychological supervision? No. I don’t know. Huh-uh. Do you know anything 71 HE. 8ut not Vike someone with specific information? : No. Huh-uh. Okay. Are you aware if the MCC and SHU cameras were working on August 9th and 10th of 2019? No, I’m not aware if they were working or wasn't working. : Have you heard any rumors about_that? No. Huh-uh. No? Is this the first you're hearing about anything to do with the cameras? Yeah. I thought, I didn't even know they had cameras. I don’t normally pay attention. Do you know who had access to cameras and could have intentionally taken them offline? : No. Huh-uh. No? Do you know who would be responsible for the camera system here, though? a. I know it’s the Com Tech. — CSCwWOHUMDMS fwrP 70 about potentially anyone, the Judge calling the Warden and asking him to be removed from psychological observation or suicide watch so that he could continue with his attorney visits? No. No? What do you know about falsified counts being conducted in the SHU on August 9th and 10th of 2019? =. I don’t know anything about that._I just heard about it. a. Okay. Are you aware of rounds not being conducted and being falsified on August 9th and August 10th of 2019? I just heard about it. You heard about it? But no firsthand knowledge? + Huh-uh. And when you say you heard about both of those, who did you hear about_it from? Everybody talking around the jail. 72 HE; who would have worked for the Com Tech? They do the cameras and stuff like that. What's his name? One is , but I don't know if he was working in Com Tech at the time. And the other one is Okay. So. : So, I don’t know, I don’t know if they got access to remove stuff. I don't, I don’ t_know. : Okay. : I just know they deal with the telephones and stuff like that. Okay. [EM is the other person? : Yeah. : ip : And I don’t know if it’s Com Tech, if it’s Computer Services. Is it on the computer or is the cameras? I'm speaking about the cameras. : Cameras? Yeah. It’s J and . They're Com Techs. But you're not sure if EFTA00114760

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73 actually -- : I don’t, yeah, I don’t, I’m not sure if actually worked in Com Tech at the time. BE: Okay. Do you know if Epstein was in his assigned cell on August 10, 2019? either? I wouldn't know. Any rumors about that, No. Huh-uh. : Do you know if cell searches were being conducted in the SHU in July and August of 2019? No. I wouldn't know. Any rumors or anything? Do you have any knowledge of Epstein placing a telephone call in the SHU on August 9, 2019? either? No? Rumors about that, Huh-uh. And what do you know : More training? Yeah. Training on what? : Qn just, just working SHU, cause we got a lot of new staff here. : At the time, too? : I think so. And we was, we didn’t have staff either. : Uh-huh. : And stuff like that, but a lot of staff need training, cause a lot of people don’t know how to work SHU. So they need more training. : Okay. More training on how, that they need to be conducting rounds and counts? MM: Conducting rounds and just how to interact with the inmates up there. : Okay. So training. : Uh-huh. : Assuming training and staffing? Yes, : Anything else you want to add? Wey fwrP 74 about someone else taking Epstein’s life? Nothing. What do you know about others assisting with taking Epstein’s life? : Nothing. Did Epstein take his own life? I don’t know. Did Epstein act alone in taking his own life? : I don’t know. Did you have any involvement with Epstein’s death? F = io What would have prevented Epstein’s death? I don’t know. Or what actions should have been taken to prevent his death? I don’t know. What are some of the systematic problems inside the MCC, and specifically, the SHU that allowed for Epstein to die? They need more training. : That's it. :__Anything else? Anything else we're missing? Anything to do with the Epstein thing that might help us, like, whoo? a. No. No, I don’t know anything. You're funny. iy. the -- HM. The list that she, documents she -- So, this is, What is this, for a: put together a list that if you're able to -- : -+ follow-up with any of this, that would be great. I will. I appreciate it. Okay. I will give you my email, so that you can -- Okay. -- email to me if you're So, it’s a long last name, but that’s -- : Okay. You want 8/19, that’s able. EFTA00114761

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77 all right. You want 8/19, 8/9 and 8/10, example of the Marshall’s receipt, example of internal court list. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much. HE: You spell Sentry like Century 21. : It’s S-E-N-T-R-Y. It’s S-E-N-T-R -- Oh, Sentry? : Yeah. Yeah, S-E-N. Oh. I heard Century, and I rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP No. It's Sentry. : No. Sentry? Yeah, so you know, BOP, Sentry is with an S, Yt I swear I heard Century. I was like -- :_ That's all right. No, no, no. pronounced the same. It’s just -- It's probably J. CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of It’s Marcella Conley, Transcriber =— ROW OHMS fwrNP RRR RR Dun wr : Oh. :_ Yeah. : It’s just that, no, but you would pronounce it the same, wouldn’t you? a: Uh-huh. Sentry. : Yeah. Yeah. It’s just, it’s just_an S instead of a C. : So now you know. So, if you're ever reaching out to the BOP, it’s an S. §. Which I should have known by now. But anything else before I turn off the recorder? No. That’s it. Nice meeting ya'll. |) ight. It is Wednesday, August 4, 2021. The time_is 2:10 .n. This is Senior Special Agent [i a and I'm stopping the recorder. EFTA00114762