RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 5, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Phone: 3 : recorder is on. My name is , and I am a senior special agent with the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General. New York Field Office. And these are my credentials. i Okay. This interview with Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, MS. . MR. : MS. : Yeah. MR. : Is being conducted as part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, D0J/OIG investigation. Today's date is August 5, 2021, and the time is 12:59 p.m. This interview is being conducted at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, or MCC, located in New York, New York. Also present is D0J/OIG Special Agent This interview will be recorded by me, SSA Could everyone please identify themselves for. the record, and spell your last name? To start, again, I am D0J/OIG Senior Special Agent, APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: OTHER APPEARANCES: = MR. This is D0J/OIG Special Agent . And these are my credentials i. Okay. And can you identify yourset?? Could you -? MR. oe ee al HE: And what is your position? MS. | | I am a general maintenance. MR. : Here at the MCC. Correct? MS. : Yeah. MCC. MR. : Perfect. Thank you. And this is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the surrounding circumstances, and you are being asked to voluntarily provide answers to our questions. Will you agree to a voluntary interview with the D0J/OIG? MS. : Yes. MR. : Awesome. So, we're just EFTA00111421

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 5 going to read this form. It’s just in regards to voluntary interviews. Everybody that, you know, gets these. United States Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. “You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statements you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both.” And the waiver section says, "I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement_and answer questions. MS. : Okay. MR. No promises or threats WR. QR: 9 -- as the witness, and print your name, please. MR. This is i HM. i'n signing as simply witness. WR. a. Did you understand that form? . | | Yeah. MR. : Do you understand everything is voluntary? . a Yeah, yeah, yeah. . : You could stop at any . | | Yeah. . : You don't have to answer our questions. Before starting, I’d like to place you under oath. Ms. a can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth during this interview? MS. : MR, =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe 7 Re CWO HM fWwrNP Yes, Please let me Thank you. know if you don't understand any of my questions, and I'll rephrase or ask in a different way. MS. : Okay. 6 have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.” So, you can take a second, if you want, to review it. I did just read it verbatim, but -- MS. : That’s okay. MR. -- it says employee signature there, if you agree, and then, employee’s name, and just print right down there. . + Okay. MR : And then, we can fill out the rest of the form. MS. JM: Do you have a pen? (Indiscernible *00:02:51) opposite. WR. QM: Thank you very much for signing. This is, again, a and I am signing as the signature of the Office of the Inspector General, Special Agent. Now I'm printing my name. I'm writing in the time as 1:00 p.m. And it is again -- MR. : August 5th. MR. : == 8/5/2021. At MCC, New York. Special Agent —, could you please sign as the -- MR. : Yes. 8 MR. QM: «what is your current home address? MS. And where is that? your d ay th? : And your social security MR. a is your current cell phone number? MS. : MR. : And what is your highest level of education? MS. | | I have my bachelor’s degree. MR. : And where do you have that from? VS. i: ER Criminal law. MR. : What college? MS. MR. : MS. Yeah. MR. : And criminal law? And EFTA00111422

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located? When did So, || Okay. Cool. you receive that bachelor’s degree? I started here So, you think you finished in MS. QM: Matter of fact, One of those two. MR. Sorry. I'm going to turn that down because I don’t think that’s going to pick - hear what you're saying - up. : Okay. Great. And -- Yeah. -- what did you -. Yeah. So, . : 13. . > Mm-hmm. : And do you remember your enter on dut date? MR. : ay. And do you remember when you graduated from BOP training? Like, the year? MS. I know it was in March because And that’s all I can remember. : Wouldjit have a. And that's All ean, R : Okay. So, about March . : Yeah. . : And what is your - again - your current position with the BOP? MS. I'm a general maintenance. MR. And what does that entail? MS. MMM: General maintenance, we work, some of us, we do floors, walls, doors, maintenance plumbing, painting, you name it. Even electrical. RR ROW OHMS fwrNP RR wr 10 2008 7 when you think you finished? ‘s: What did you do prior to rk for the BOP? as what do you mean? Like -? Did you have an rior to “working for the BOP? Oh, no. Okay. like, fox first 500? Oh. Well, I was working at = cosmetics and stuff, like, with makeup a and stuff -- Okay. -- and then, after that, this is ™, fia real i Yeah. Okay. sitar service? _ How long have you served with te Federal Bureau of Prisons? years. How ale “7 like, how long I’ve been working er years. cnlonen So, this was, Do you have any So, basically -- A little bit of everything. -- almost as the description | Yeah. My boss is calling me. You know, by the title, general naintenance, any general maintenance of the MCC? MS. MMM: 0h, I'm sorry. Say the question again. So, the maintenance of the KC = Okay. Great. And are you fit with Jeffrey Epstein? I don’ t recall. Yes. Do you know if he was howsed at the cc in July and August of If he was here? Yes. July and August. : Okay. And what was your position at the MCC in July and August of 2019? MS. HEM: The same position. Yes. Yes. EFTA00111423

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP (Indiscernible *00:06:37 -- MR. : The same position. MS. : yes. MR. : Okay. you been in that position? MS. MMM: I've been in this position - is 2021 - I got promoted to that in I remember the date. It’s So, how long have Okay. So -- -- right before then? What was your position before that? MS. : I was a facility assistant. MR. : Okay. MS. : Working for the facility department. WR. GM: Okay. So, this was a promotion. What 1s your grade level? Mm-hrnm . Okay. So, eight, step 15 . : Yes. MR. : Okay. Do you know if you worked at the MCC on August 9th and 10th of If he worked? If you worked at the MCC. August 10th? August 9th. No, I did not. So, the Friday before he was found ina cell. MS. MMM: 1 don’t recall if I worked that Friday, but I know for sure, August 10th, that Saturday, I did not work. MR. : Okay. MS. : Those are my off days. MR. : But would you have typically worked on the Fridays? Monday through Yes, I do. My schedule is Monday throu h Friday. MR. —. Okay. So, do you believe you probably worked on that Friday? MS. Z Yeah, I probably worked. MR. : Okay. August 9th. Okay. PRR RR SwWwKNrPOCOW OHMS fWwNP RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP Yes. Eight. Step five. Okay. Did you have any interactions or involvement with Epstein during his stay at the MCC? MS. No, sir. MR. : No. MS. MMM: I did see him. But, you know, not see him close by, but probably if I did a job " Nine South, but other than that, no. R. MMMM: Okay. So, you didn't, like, Sere with him -- No. -- or say hello or anything? So, when you say you saw him, where would you have seen him at? Sorry. MS. MMM: On Nine South. That's the only . : Oh, Nine South. . : == yeah. : I'm sorry. I wasn’t sure what you said. MS. Oh. MR. : So, Did you even see him? in the SHU? 16 And during that time, do you remember what your duties and responsibilities would have been, if you were -? Were you acting for anyone, or were you doing -? MS. MM: I don’t recalLifJ was acting for anyone that day, for Mr. , my boss. I don't remember if I did. If he was here then. No. VR. SM: 9 So, office assistance from a | Was he your supervisor? MS. : Yes. He is. MR. : And what was your position? What was his position? I'm sorry. MS. He's the facility manager. MR. : Facilities manager. And it was from him to a — | MS. + Mm-hmm. MR. : Is he someone who also works under him? MS. : Yes. MR. : And the only reason I'm sending you this because it was an out of office automatic out of office assistant from to ME BB, saying, Okay. EFTA00111424

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RR SwWOHNDN FWwrNP PRR RP RRP RR COND WMH a a ee ond We wWwrr Ow 17 “I will be out of the office on Monday, August 5th through Friday, August 9th. I will have limited hone and email access. Acting for me -- on Monday, 8/5, and can be reached at -". And then, it says a phone number. “And/or via radio track four. Wednesday through Friday, vr. be acting, and he can be reached at -”. It says a phone number. “And/or track four, via radio.” So, it doesn't say that you were acting for him, but do you remember, at all, acting for him on that Monday and Tuesday of 8/5 and 8/6, by chance? MS. : No. MR. MS. that. MR. | would you act regularly for Mr. , back then? MS. :_ Yes. MR. = Yes. Okay. And do you have any reason to believe you were not acting 19 and I have my other foremans. I will do the work. They do the work. So, we'll work together. MR. : Okay. MS. : Anything that happens. an emergency. MR. MS. : No? : I don’t remember anything like Like, So, emergencies -- You know? MR. -- with regards to facilities? MS. :_ Yes, MR. : Okay. MS. : It's a facility only. MR. : Okay. MS. : . MR. : Right. Okay. So, would the cameras - if there were problems with the cameras - would that fall under your purview, when you were acting as the facilities manager? MS. Well, if I was acting, there was a problem, situation with cameras, yes. MR. Okay. MS. : But, of course, I would definitely call my executive, then. You know, and ask them to, whatever situation, but at Wey fwrP for him? MS. BBM: That was two years ago. I don’t really -- MR. _ Oh, absolutely. MS. : == remember that. I mean, you know, if I did, I would be, like, yes, I did, but I don’t remember. Sure. : Almost receiving the emails, or WR. WM: | And I don’t expect you to. Here, just so you know that -- MS. Pt Thank you. MR. : == you could look at it just to make sure. Maybe that will help jog our memory. When you’re an acting for Mr. =. specifically back in August, what would that mean? What was your duties and responsibilities be for when you're acting for him? MS. MMM: So, it will be, like, any case of an emergency. Especially plumbing, that we have, a lot of plumbing situation, the whole entire building. Everybody calls for J. is not here. I'm the one that responds, that being, I never had a situation with cameras. : Okay. : Since I've been, like, if I MR. MS. act. I don't know. I do recall that I never had a situation -- Okay. : =~ with cameras. Sounds good. And when ou were acting for Mr. , would this — report to you? . Yes. He would -- Okay. -- report to me. And what was his position? MS. BBM: His position is a Comtech. It’s a communication tech. MR. Okay. MS. : So, he’s - if there is any problem with the phones, radios, or cameras - he will report it. MR. MS. MR. : Okay. If there is anything problems. So, he was responsible EFTA00111425

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22 MS. MM: Well, he does fix the -. You know, he works with the cameras. So, I believe he will be, you know, responsible for - not responsible - he works with the cameras, so -. MR. MM: Yeah. Well, if he wasn't responsible, who would be responsible? MS. : That would be -. MR. : If they went down, who would fix them? : It would be SM. : Okay. : But if there's something more than that, then our manager will make an executive decision where, if we need contracting or anything, I'm not too sure. MR. a. And who would be the manager? MS. : Mr. i. MR. : Okay. So, if you're acting for him, and you said that if something happened, you would report it up, who would be that manager? MS. : Oh, who will be my AW, at that point. WR. MY: Okay. Would that be an for the cameras at MCC? WS. WBBM: Well, he works with the cameras. And yes. WR. a. Okay. Are you aware that the cameras were not working properly within MCC on August 9th and 10th of 2019? MS. Z No. MR. : So, even at this point, you weren't aware of that? MS. : No. No. I don't -. MR. : Have you heard in the news anything about -- MS. : No. rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr -- cameras being down? RPRRRR We WN Re RR a Oh, you don’t even know - RRR ‘© co™~ RPRRR COND -- that now? Not in the news. No. Okay. Telemundo? No. : Okay. But you said that HME vould have been responsible for fixing the cameras if they did go down? mre row MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo mnrr Se wr nm w nm Ww AW that you would -- MS. : Yes, MR. : == report to? MS. : I would definitely. I will not make any decisions like that, big decisions, if I would have a situation like that, I'm going to contact_somebody. MR. — Okay. So, the facilities So, the only person I got in manager reports directly to the AW? ind is . MS. :_Mm-hmm. . : Okay. MR. : And who would that be, at . And that’s it. that time? In August of 2019. Would it have : Okay. Fair enough. So, ? ifa problen was to have occurred with the It was between IM or -- camera system, you would have reported that to : Is it -- ? -- what's the other one? Yeah. -- it begins with a MR. : Okay. But you’re unaware that there were any problems with the cameras | when you were, at all, in August of 2019? Oh . Sorry. J. MS. MM: Absolutely. : No. was with -. I don’t MR. : So, did electrician was with -. was with her. technician, or a coms tech, J HM, With us a couple of weeks ago. But before, I ever inform you that the cameras were not don't think -. I think it’s between working properly, during that week of August , and there was two. There was another 9th, 2019? one. "R. A: 1 think i just started, like, that week. Maybe. MS. : She just started. Yeah. So, she wasn’t our AW. MR. MB: So, she wouldn’t have been there. Re CWO HM fWwrNP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 EFTA00111426

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow PRR RPE RR Re rm CON Dw SW N rR OW ON DW Sw Nr “ a a ee ond We wWwrr Ow 25 MS. MB: No. I did not have any conversation with anyone about no cameras. No. MR. So, and you’re position he never brought -- MS. | | I'm positive. MR. : == that to your -. You're positive. Okay. MS. MBM: And if he did, you know, not to me. WR. WE: And so, if there were a roblem, who would have he informed, if Mr. a was out, and he didn't report it to him? MS. MM: The higher ups. That's the_next_rank -- MR. All right. MS. :_-- that we would go to. MR. And do you think that he The AWs. wouldn’t have reported it to you? Would have he i to something like Ms. If he what? . So, if there were a problem with the cameras -- MS. : Mm-hmm. MR. -- and he reported it up 27 MR. | om Do you know anything about Mr. being sent home on August 9th, 2019 -- MS. :_No. MR. : -- knowing that the cameras were not working properly? MS. : No. I don't. MR. : No. Do you know anything about if was instructed on August 9th, 2019 to -- MS. : No. MR. : -+ fix the cameras the following day, on August 10, 2019, when he reported to work? MS. : No. MR. : So, you don’t know anything about that? MS. > Hmm-mm . MR. : What is your thoughts, if that was what was to have happened, if Mr. knew - and if you were acting, at the point, and this is now theoretical -_if you were the acting supervisor, and Mr. knew that the cameras went down August 9th, half the cameras in the MCC, including all of the =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr MY RRR er Pow OHnu Mmmenrr Ww WPM RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew . | § He would report it to us. MR. : Would he report it to you, or he would go directly to the AW? MS. MB: He would probably - yeah - he will go to me and the AW. Like, he’s a communicator. He's like that. MR. So, if he’s saying that there were problems with the cameras, and he did report it up, but he didn't report it to you? MS. MM: No. That day, I don’t - no - I don’t remember anything having -. MR. =. Or the - yeah. I know you were the 5th and 6th, and what I'm talking about was more, like, the 8th and 9th. MS. : Oh, well, so, no. MR. But during, earlier that week, when you were acting, I'm just wondering, that maybe he report it to you? And you’re certain of that? MS. : I'm positive. : Okay. : I've never dealt with any type MR. MS. of problems. 28 cameras in the SHU, or just about all the cameras in the SHU, were not recording, what should have he done? MS. MM: Well, I know for a fact, if there was any type of deficiency or anything with the cameras, he would definitely report that. I don't know. He would speak to the manager in regards to that. MR. : Okay. But again, you were never aware that any cameras weren’t working? MS. : No. No. MR. : I mean, should have he fixed it on the spot? MS. MMM: 1 mean, I don't know if it was broken or not. So -- MR. : What -. MS. : _-- if I wasn’t aware of that. MR. : No, no, no. I'm saying, if - no, they were - so, the cameras -- MS. Okay. MR. : == were broken. were not recording. MS. : Okay. And WE was They EFTA00111427

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP responsible for them. MS. : Right. MR. | any So, we're trying to figure out what course of action should have he taken? He should have reported it up. Should have he fixed -? Should have he left the institution without fixing them? MS. : No. Of course not. : Okay. : But my thing is, I didn't know MR. MS. that there was a camera situation. MR. Absolutely. MS. : So -- So, that’s why we're -- if he had an issue, he knows, you know, what to do. So, I can't answer for him. But you can answer as an Absolutely. -- manager. That's what -- what I'm asking you -- 31 be Mr. MBB (Phonetic Sp. *00:17:09) and Mr. MR. ; P MS. : wasn’t here. No, no, no. I think - I don’t think he was hired at that time. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. works, at the time, week. MS. > Mm-hmm. . : So, but he didn't speak No. So, and that’s it, and -- was -- : == and that -- -- (Indiscernible *00:17:15). -- to put a wrench in the was gone. And both yourself, and was acting for him that And you definitely -- I don’t remember that. -- didn't tell him -- -- come back the next PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 30 . | | Absolutely. MR : -+ is, again, you weren't acting those days. What I'm asking you -- MS. : No. MR. -- is, as someone who has acted in that position, what should have he done? So, he’s already said he knew it. He went home. MS. | | I don't know if he said that. MR. : No, no, no. I'm telling MS. MMM: 0h, okay, okay. I'm, like, I don’t know. WR. MM: | But he’s saying that he did report it to a manager, and they said that to leave and fix it the following day. However, we haven't talked to any managers that he’s told. So, that's where I'm trying to figure out -- MS. : Oh, okay. : -- who would have he MR. reported that information to. Because he can't remember what manager it was. MS. BM: Like, we only got two managers. Qne manager and one supervisor. And that would 32 WR. QM: «Okay. And who had access to the camera system? In August of 2019, specifically August of that week. . I don’t know. Leading up to it. Not myself. You didn't even have -. I do not have no access for no you camera. MR. Do you know how someone would be able to take them offline? MS. : I have no idea. MR. No? So, you’re not even familiar -- MS. : No. MR. -- even if there were an issue? MS. : Atall. MR. : Okay. Do you know if anyone could have intentionally taken the cameras offline? MS. + No. MR. : No. Do you know if BB could have intentionally taken the cameras offline? EFTA00111428

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w WOoOntDWNSwWwrP 3 3 MS. : No. MR. a. So, you don’t even know, is what you're saying? MS. : No. MR. : Do you have any reason to believe that anyone intentionally took the cameras offline, or stopped them from recording on or around August 9th, 2019? MS. :_No. MR. : Do you know anything about cameras going down prior to August 10th, 2019? MS. : No. MR. i. Do you know if any steps were taken to correct the problem of the cameras going down? MS. : No. MR. Aa Do you know that we have - there’s a new camera system in the MCC? MS. MB: If I do know that there’s a new camera system? MR. Do you know if there is a new camera system at MCC? MS. I know there’s new cameras at MCC, as of now, yes. : And then, Mr. J. : And then, who? : And then, the Alls, and it goes up and up and u =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe who? MS. The warden. -- and up and up. Oh, okay. And what about olved with that at all? MS. :__He should be. MR. Okay. Do you know if Mr. HEM was ever asking for a new camera system, leading up to -- MS. : MR. MS. MR. are Mr. Comtech? MS. Re CWO HM fWwrNP -- August 10th? I don't know. You’re not aware. responsibilities as the MR, : Phones. Radios. And cameras. : Okay. MS. : Other than that, I'm not sure what else. MR. Okay. Do you believe appropriate action was taken if knew What 34 MR. QM: | And do you know when that occurred? And the new camera system was put in? Months ago. So, this year, though? I'm not too sure. : Okay. If they started last year or this year. WR. QM: Sure. And are you involved at all with the documentation for when cameras -- MS. : No. MR. maintenance? No? MS. : No. MR. documentation? MS. MR. -- go down, or Who would be in charge of It will be my manager. MS. . MR. Okay. If the camera system was outdated and needed replacing, who would be the people that would be in the know? MS. : The comtechs. MR : The comtechs. And then, 36 that the cameras were offline, and then he went home, and the plan was to fix it the next day? MS : I don’t know. I don't know. MR. : You don't know. Okay. What is your understanding of what happened to Epstein on August 9th and 10th of 2019? MS. MBM: Well, I don't know, he hanged himself . Z Yeah. . : Is it your understanding that he died from hanging within the MCC? MS. | | Because of MCC. MR. : Is it your understanding that Mr. Epstein died from hanging within the MCC? He hung himself? MS. : I don't know. MR. : You don’t even know? MS. : I don’t even know. MR. : So, you said that you thought he hung himself. MS. :_ That's what -- MR. So, can you expand on that, then? Where -- MS. MMMM: -- that's what the media said. EFTA00111429

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 37 . a: himself? MS. | | In Nine South. MR. : Okay. So, the MCC? MS. : Yeah. MR. | Do you believe he died when he was here in the MCC? MS. MMM: Well, I wasn’t here. I know I mean -- -- where did he hang is that within the media_said he died here. MR. : Okay. MS. : -- I don't know. MR. : But you didn't hear anything about -- -- being here? In the MCC? No one ever spoke about it? MS. No. Huh-uh. MR. : Really? I'm just -. MS. : You know, everybody, but no, I'm not -. . a: No one ever talked about, 39 : :_No. = Okay. Did Epstein take his own life? MS. MM: I wasn’t there. But I don't know. I guess. WR. =. Okay. Did Epstein act alone in taking his own life? If he was alone? Did he act alone? I wasn’t there. So, you're not sure? And that's totally fine I wasn’t there. No, no, no. I didn't even see it. . No, that’s what I'm saying, is that total acceptable answer for you to say I don't know. MS. MB: I don't know. It’s, like, what the hell, to see if he did. I don't know what he did. It’s just, it’s all over the media, but no. wR. QM: Did you have any I know. Like -- PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 38 . | | I don’t -- . : == the biggest, highest He is the highest profile -- killed himself? -- of course, but -- Or anything like that? -- no. No? . All right. Do you have any information, with regard to any suspicious activity that occurred on August 9th or 10th of 2019, leading up to the discovery of Epstein in No. . What do you know about someone else taking Epstein's life? : No. You don’t know anything? What do you know about other's assisting with taking Epstein's life? MS. No. MR. : You don’t know anything? involvement with Epstein’s death? MS. No. MR. : Do you know what would have prevented Epstein’s death? That is, what actions should have been taken to prevent his I don't know. You don’t -- . -- you don't know. Were you ever a correctional officer? MS. :_No. MR. : No. Okay. And when you came with the BOP, what did you start as? I started as a unit team. And what does that mean? Unit team are, like, we have counselors, Case managers, secretaries. That’s what I used to do, is a unit secretary. Case managers. Unit managers and stuff. Dealing with the inmates. You know? Okay. And taking care of them. So, not, like, watching over the cells or doing cell searches, or EFTA00111430

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow PRR RPE RR Re rm CON Dw SW N rR OW ON DW Sw Nr “ a a ee ond We wWwrr Ow 41 counts, or anything like that? MS. WE: No, no, no, no, no. Oh, like, Or rounds. -- officers does? No. No. Okay. Isn't that - sorry - isn't a unit tean member also a C.0.? MS. MM: We all are correctional officers, but I know exactly what he means. What he means is, like -- MR. _= He means, like -. MS. : == as an officer, like, how they do, like, all their rounds and stuff like that. And custody. Custody. Yeah. -- have you ever -? No. I do not -- So, you've never worked Working -- -- work in custody at all. -- custody. Yeah. Okay. And this is the 43 WR. QJ: And you would have told him to fix it_before he went home? MS. :_ Yeah. MR. : You mentioned there were comtechs in August of 2019, right? Was it another person other than | also? MS. MBM: What do you mean, there was Comtech? MR. : You said there were -- . = MMI iis a Comtech. : -- is there another Comtech that you were referring -? MS. Now, there is. MR. : Oh, not back then? MS. : I don’t recall if he got hired back then. WR. QR: Okay. person? MS. : . MR. : First name? MS. : Who was the other That's all I got. And oh, because we showed you this, do you mind just initialing and dating it? Okay. =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew 42 last question that I have for you. What are some of the systematic problems inside the MCC? And specifically, the SHU that allowed for Epstein to die. MS. | | Don't know. MR. : Okay. more? MR. MM: Yeah. You mentioned that Mr. BEM was a communicator. Doesn't it mean, like, if there were any issues or anything that came up, he would actually address it with the supervisor? MS. : Yeah. He will. MR. : Okay. Has he ever come to you with any issues? MS. :_ No. MR. : Now, if JBI did come to you during that week - just a hypothetical -- MS. + Mm-hmm. MR. -- if he did come to you that week, saying, hey, listen, the cameras are down, what_would you have told him to do? MS. MM: 1 would speak to my AW, the warden, the president, and everybody, we're fixing this situation. Do you have any 44 in. Oh. - It's not certifying the sur It! s just to say that -- Ri ht here? -- that's what we -? a would be great. That’s just -- Initial? -- the email. Yah, Yes, slease MR. : And today’s date. Today is -- 8/5/21. Five. Okay. If you could just bear with me. We were just provided this documentation. So, we just wanted you to - before we say done, I want to see what this says. What_is a CSM? MS. MMM: Sm? Correctional System Management. WR. QM: Okay. And I'm going to just read this to you. So, this is from when the camera system, I guess, has a problem, back MS. MB: Mm-hnm. 8/5/21. EFTA00111431

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RR ROW OHM SWwrNP RPRRR Ww = Wh RR SD 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PRR RRR RR NDMP WNPRPOWOHDH SWwNP ae ee od WS Wr rs © Ww oc 45 WR. MM: -- in the day, they would contact the contractor, and then, they would report what was relayed. MS. :_ Mm-hmm. MR. : So, maybe you might be able to help fill in the blanks here. It says, — called us on Thursday, August 8th, stating that he had two bad drives on his raid, until” - or, sorry, “unit, of the NICE Vision Pro Unit NVR. We advised him to get replacement drives. Once they are replaced, they should start to initialize, to become available for the raid array. did not have drives readily available. He checked with his local CSM to see if they had any spare replacement drives.” So, do you know what the local CSM would mean? MS. :_No. MR. : Do you think that may be MS. MBB: CSM? No. something on their behalf. I don’t -. WR. MM: Okay. “Once he located replacement drives on Friday, August 9th, he did not have access to the DVR room to replace 47 MR. : What did you think CSM meant? MS. : OM -- MR. : Ot - MS. os well, we have a CSM here, which is Correctional System Management, but that’s a - MR. What do they do? MR. : Because it said he checked with his local CSM. MR. : Do they keep, like, a -- MS. : (Indiscernible *00:27:13). MR. : -- supplies on hand, or anything like that? WS. WM: Correctional -. again? R. a: his local CSM. MS. MMMM: Yeah. That's probably something else. That's probably something with cameras, but we do have a Correctional System, but that’s -- -? That’s probably What is it It says he checked with What’s Correctional -? : -- that’s the intake. : Oh. That’s (Indiscernible RR ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wwrerow mr oe RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew mmnmnr Ww Wr them. He called SIGNET (Phonetic Sp. *00:26:14) for phone support, on Saturday, August 10th, when he gained access to the DVR room. He attempted to replace the drives, and they started to rebuild. During the rebuild process of the drives, the drives were required to be taken out of the raid on DVR-2. Once the drives are removed without proper shutdown of the recorder, the video database becomes corrupted. Typically, any time the raid ona raid-five configuration was just two drives. The raid needs to be rebuilt and all data is wiped from the raid.” Do you know anything about that? No. No? All right. And just because I read that, you mind just initialing and dating that? MS. : Sure. MR. : This a service request number 24975. MS. : Sign here? MR. : Actually, you can just sign the top of this. MS. : Okay. 48 *00:27:27). MR. : They don’t keep supplies or anything? MS. : No. No. MR. : Okay. Anything else for us, that we're not asking you? MS. :_No. MR. : Anything else about the cameras being down -- MS. :_ No. MR. : All right. -- or Epstein dying? No? All right. Jesus Christ. I'm, like -- Yeah. Like - All right. We're goin to stop this thing. : Okay. So, this is Senior a The time is , and I am stopping the recorder. -- no. Hold on. Special “Agent 1:26 p.m. EFTA00111432

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CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of i Brianna Rose Burton, Transcriber EFTA00111433