RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEPTEMBER 29, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 3 MR. _ ed has started. My name is , and I am a Senior Special Agent with the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office, and these are my credentials. MR. Okay. I see them. MR. This interview with Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, , is being conducted as part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, or DOJ/OIG investigation. Today's date is September 29th, 2021. And the time is 8:16 a.m. This interview is being conducted at the OIG New York Field Office, located at 1 Battery Park Plaza, New York, New York. Also present is D03/OIG ASAC, or Assistant Special Agent-in- Charge, pg MOREL person. And Special Agent is joining us by telephone. He is also with the DOJ/OIG. This interview will _be recorded by me, Senior Special Agent a Could everyone please identify themselves for the record, and spell their last name? To start, Re CWO HM fWwrNP APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: WITNESS: OTHER APPEARANCES: again, I am D0)/OIG Senior — a I_am Assistant Special Agent- Bureau of Prisons. [M. This is Special Agent MR. : All right. Thank you. This is an official D0J/OIG investigation into the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the surrounding circumstances, and you are being asked to voluntarily provide answers to our questions. Will you agree to a voluntary interview with the D0J/OIG? MR. Yes. MR. Thank you, sir. So, this is the official Warnings and Assurances to Employees Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. And in this line, I'm goin to say, this investigation pertains to, | it’s job performance failure and security failure, correct? MR. Yes. EFTA00064194

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RR ROW OHM SWwrNP RPRRR Ww = Wh RR SD 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 RR SwWOHNDN FWwrNP RPRRPR RRR SD SwWwNPe ee oe od Wr © Ww oo 5 WR. GM: Job performance failure. All right. So, it says, United States Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to Employees Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. “You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both.” And there is a waiver section. And it says, "I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any 7 -- during this interview? Yes. Thank you, sir. Again, it’s a voluntary interview, if you don't understand any of my questions, please ask me to oe Yeah. . a. Or ask for any clarification I would be happy to provide it. Were you previously interviewed by the OIG at the "a on July 15th, 2019? Great. me : fan Agent : Great. Is it correct that the MCC camera -. Or sorry. Before I go on that, are you still at the MCC? a Yes, I am. Are you still the sect rechnician? . Yes, I am. = Great. Has anything changed since we spoke on July 15th, 2019? wR. No. And that was by Correct? RR ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wwrerow mr oe RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew kind has been used against me.” So, take a look. If you understand it, and are agreeing, and are willing to continue, can you just please sign where it says employee signature? Thank you very much for signing. DO you understand the form? Mm-hmm. Yes, I do. . Okay. Do you understand this is a voluntary interview? Yes. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Today’ s date, again, is September 29th. So, I'm writing 09/29/21. The place is OIG, MYFO. And the time is 8:19 a.m. And I am signing my name as the Special Agent. ASAC can you sign as a witness, please? Thank you, sir. Thank you. All right. Before starting the interview, I would like to place you under oath. Mr. , can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth -- wR. BE: Yes. WR. QM: «No. Great. Is it correct that the MCC cameras were not working properly in August 2019? =z. Yeah. Well, the recorders wasn ' ce The cameras were working. The recorders weren't working. WR. ME: So, the live feed was working, but the recordings were not. MR. : Yes. MR. : Correct. When did you first learn that the MCC cameras were not working properly? MR. — That day. This was, I believe, that day. Towards the end of my shift. I'm not sure what time. WR. MM: § So, you stil] think it was August 9th, 2019, that you learned? MR. : Yes. MR. : After giving it some thought, do you think maybe it happened the day before, on August 8th, 2019? MR. = I don’t know if I spoke to somebody. I don’t know why it would be the 8th. WR. MR: A11 right. When we go EFTA00064195

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 9 over the reports, we will see if that can help freshen, you know, help you recall. First, we're just going to ask you some questions for, like, you know, so you can, from memory, recall exactly -- MR. |S What happened. MR. : == when it was, and then we will go over the reports, and see if that helps jog anything. But to your recollection, it was on August 9th, 2019? Yes. And what is -- It was that Friday. -- what is it that makes you think that_it_was on that Friday? WR. QM: Because that’s when I went to the room. That’s the only thing I really remember. Because it was a lot of hours after that. MR. : Okay. MR. : That day. MR. : So, it was just -- MR. : Yeah. MR. : == it was a lot of things going on. 11 9th, is when you first noticed it, and that half of the cameras, or -- Half of them was on -- -- half the cameras on -- -- DVR-1. -- DVR-1, and half were DVR-2. And one of the, one of those DVRs, which included half of the cameras Cameras. -- they stopped -- Yeah. Stopped working. -- working. Yeah. So, what is your knowledge or recollection of when those half of cameras -? WR. QM; I don't know when those half the cameras stopped working? WR. WR: «So, when you were trying to obtain video after the fact, you never learned, like, when they’re -- VR. QM: This is the first time -- PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 10 WR. MJ: Yeah. There was a lot of things going on. But I remember the 9th because everything happened the next day. Okay. On Saturday. And are you aware, now, after the fact, that the cameras stopped recording on July 29th, 2019? . : No. . a. So, you're not aware of No. Nobody. It’s the first time somebody has told me that. MR. a. Okay. So, by reviewing the recording system, or anything like that, you didn't learn that they stopped on July 29th? MR. MM: «No. The recorders were still working. Because the recorders were still working for the building. All the - Not all the cameras were working, but some of the recorders were working. (Indiscernible *00:06:26). MR. : So, when we spoke last time, you explained to us that on, like, August 12 -- the last video? -- yeah, this is the first time I heard that, was July. Okay. Yeah. So, when is the first time ju found out, then, that the recordings were, in fact, not working? mR : When I went to go try to fix it on that Friday. MR. : Okay. MR. : Yeah. MR. : Okay. But on the 9th, did you -. I thought you had told us you couldn’t gain access to it on the 9th. So, when did you actually gain access to the room, to be able to -- On the 9th? I went up there -- -- determine -? -- in the afternoon, to go do work. They said I couldn’t stay because “= had to leave, so the video room. . : Okay. . : Yeah. . : So, Bf had to leave, so EFTA00064196

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 13 you couldn't stay to do the work? MR. =. Yeah. I couldn’t stay to do the work, because I don’t have a key, I don’t have access to the room. Because it’s the property room. MR. a. And when you say “they,” who was it that told you this? WR. MJ: I was talking to Officer HN. But it’s no -. Everybody knows that SIS, that’s their room, and I don’t have access to go in the room. At the time, I didn't have access to fix the recorders. Okay. D Did you ever talk MR. : That day? MR. : Any day, about these recordings. WR. WM: Yeah. I've talked to people numerous times about me getting access to the room, that I should have access to the room. WR. QM: «No, I'm talking about, like, on August 8th or August 9th, about the cameras. Do you recall having a conversation - 15 WR. QM: 1) right. Do you know what stopped them from recording? WR. —. I just know that the systen was old, and it had a lot of problems. R. BEM: Okay. Do you know if someone did, like, an improper shutdown, or that power surge created it to shut off? MR. —. They were on UPSs, and no power surge that would have created it. It would have_just been mechanical. MR. : Okay. MR. : Or, yeah, yeah. MR. : Just from age? MR. : Just from age, and wear and tear. . MR. =. Okay. And again, on August 8th, you don’t recall ever having conversations with anybody regarding these cameras, or first learning on August 8th that the cameras went down? WR. QJ: August 8th? The day before? I don’t really recall (Indiscernible *00:09:09). MR. : And you don’t recall | having the conversation with SIS PRR RR SwWwKNrPOCOW OHMS fWwNP RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP I don’t recall. -- with No. No. Or I HP The I don’t remember. : No. Okay. So, you don’t remember learning that, on July 29th, 2019, the cameras stopped recording? MR. a. This is the first time -- MR. : From (Indiscernible *00:08:19). time you heard? MR. : That it was July. Okay. Because that’s, like, two weeks out, I wouldn’t - not know it was recording for two weeks. That doesn't make any sense. WR. MM: Okay. So, you don’t think that that would be accurate? No. HS and MB, about the cameras not recording on August 8th, 2019? On Thursday? . : No. I don’t recall. : You don’t. Do you renenber them, towards the end of your shift, bringing you in the office because they couldn’t get the recordings to rewind, and asked you to fix the problem? MR. : On the 8th? MR. : On the 8th. MR. : Hmm. I don’t recall that. MR. QM: Do you remember having - at any time - a conversation prior to Epstein’s death, with , with SIS | and ? MR. : Together? At the same time? No. I don’t recall it. Yeah. What about separately? Separately, probably. We probably talked about it. But not together. At the same time. MR. QM: «Well, do you recall the conversations that you had, then, prior to Epstein dying on the - or being found - on the -- I heard it. That’s the very first Yeah. 16 No. EFTA00064197

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 17 10th. What conversations did you have with each of those individuals? MR. Right. I was just busy working. On the 10th, the day it happened, or -? WR. WM: No. Prior to the 10th. So, the 8th, the 9th, or anywhere back to the July 29th, really. MR. =. Oh. That we were working o the problem, trying to figure out what was causing it, and that’s when I ordered new hard drives to replace all the drives. That was my next step. That's what I was going to do that day. But_I couldn't. MR. And what made you do that, though? Who told you to replace the hard drives? WR. WM: Talking through SigNet, and the former com tech, —, he’s the computer services manager and we talked about buying hard drives. I actually got a purchase order, too. Yeah. WR. QM: So, who was the computer service _— that present time - he was the computer services manager. He was? Yes. Okay. e MCC? Yes. And he was your boss? . No. It’s just, I talked to him about computer stuff, because he knows a little bit more than I do. That's his specialty. WR. MY: Okay. What was his kind of, like, job role at the time? MR. a. His job role was to take care of the computers. Infrastructure of the building. Yeah. MR. Zz And what was the conversation you had with him, and where? WR. —. I think, that’s when we were talking about actually just replacing all of the hard drives because they keep failing all the time. So, the next step was to replace So, he was Okay. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 25 18 MR. MM: © Can you spell the first and last name? mR, Bat “WR. GE: And did you say [I VR. M:N. ses. That's an Yeah : Okay. : And that's an I : And that was the CSM? : Yup. And it’s aol Not an All right. So, I. At the . : Yes. : Okay. Great. And who erson? MR. —: He was the previous com tech before I got there, and now, he was - at 20 all the hard drives. MR. And do you remember when you had that conversation? MR. A few days before this happened. And we’ve had numerous conversations about this for weeks because - and probably months - because of the way the hard drives kept failing. The drives would, the recorders would stop working. MR. : So, did you know, then, a few days before this? I'm assuming, when you say “this,” August 9th, 2019, that the hard drives had failed? MR. I knew it was a possibility they failed. At the time, or the before I left, I knew everything was working. MR. |g Before you left when? MR. : I'm not too sure, but I'm just saying, like, overall, as far as, like, as far as everything recording, because I've checked the recorders. It looked like everything was recording. MR. : What day are you speaking about, though? MR. a. Oh, specifically, before EFTA00064198

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP the incident happened, on the 9th. MR. —. So, on the 9th, everything was recording? ° vel, of course it wasn’t recording. went up there to check. It was not? It was not recording. Okay. So, when is the first time you found out that it was not recording? MR. MMM: 0h. =I guess the 9th. Everybody keep saying the 8th, but I don’t really remember the 8th. WR. PE: Okay. is that when you -- MR. : Because I -. -- _ are saying you had the when I checked it, That's why I So, the 9th, and conversation with oF Well, I had the conversation before, with {MMIM, about what I was going to do next. Okay. . Because it happened before, so the next step was just to replace 23 remember exactly when you spoke with him? MR. a. No. Some time around that time, because I have to get the purchase, I have to get the parts to make the repairs, or change the drives out. WR. QM: 1] right. So, until we go over this, I'm going to run through these, just so we keep on track. But it sounds like I'm going to have to show you these documents, to help maybe clarify some things. MR. : Mm-hmm. MR. : Do you know, did you know that the recorders - that the cameras weren't recording prior to August 9th, 2019? MR. : Yeah. I know there was failures in the system. Yes. MR. a. So, you knew that they were not recording? MR. —. Not that day. But I know that, overall, there was going to be system failures. WR. QE: And did you know that it was half of them, all on DVR-1 or 2? YR. MMMM: I wasn’t too sure what it was. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 22 all the hard drives. WR. MM: Like, it happened long before, or when are you talking about -- It happened -- -- (Indiscernible -- multiple times before, where the recorders would stop working. Okay. Yes. So, you were trying to stop that from happening? Happening again, yes. ay. So -- So - -- "you didn't talk to him based upon the system stopping recording. You were talking about it -- MR. + Mm-hmm MR. : -+ doing preventative maintenance? Maintenance. Yes. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. But you don’t Okay. But I know there was a failure. I didn't check to see exactly where they were. WR. QR: So, you knew there was a failure with the system, prior to August 9th. You just didn't know what the failure was? Yes. And how did you know WR. ME: Well, I would have to go check if there was video, there was no recorder videos, live videos, but there was no recorder video. WR. QM: § So, you personally had checked to see if there were recorded video? MR. : Yes. MR. : And when did you do that? MR. : I had, well, I had checked that day, before I had to go upstairs to look at everything. August 9th? August 9th. Yes. So, that’s where I'm saying. So, when you say, prior to the time, EFTA00064199

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 25 you're talking about the same day, August 9th, is when you checked the -- Checked the recording. -- the recording. Yeah. Prior to August 9th, did you check the recording to see if it (Indiscernible *00:14:46)? WR. QJ: Multiple times before. And were they recorded? From what I believe, yes. I'm not too sure. wR. QM: Okay. Would you check that system to check on the recordings, every day? WR. QM: No. There was no thing that says I have to check it. MR. : Sure. MR. : The thing with the recorders is, I'm not really supposed to, like, mess with the system. I just, I'm maintenance. I'm not really supposed to, like, oh, toda SIS, that’s their job to tell me, hey, a, there is no video, or something, there is a 27 WR. QM: «11 right. So, we were just talking about the recording and how Mr. | would not go in and review a recording without someone requesting him to do so. He doesn't recall specifically who made that request for him to review the recording, but he believes that he reviewed the recording on the 9th, and that’s when he determined that it wasn't recording properly. Is that correct? . : Yes. . _. All right. And you - and again - you don't remember why you were reviewing that recording? No. Because we're in the well, no, this -. Before MR. middle of a -. Epstein happened, we were in the middle of a camera project, we had people TDY. So, I was, like, the lead in the building, trying to tel] everybody what needs to get done. And I think the day before, I was on 10 South, I was putting in a (Indiscernible *00:16:52), so I was busy that day, and I had a TDY guy on me. WR. ae. And when you - on the PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 26 problem. MR. ae: So, how did you know that the recording wasn’t being able to rewind, and check recording? Why were you in there checking that? WR. MM.“ just, I guess I spoke to somebody, or maybe I checked it. I'm not too sure. MR. QM: «But it would have been based upon someone requesting you to do so? Yes. And you believe that "Yes. Okay. And just, and the call dropped. Let me get back on. MR. : Absolutely. MR. + Agent . : Hey, . You hear us fine WR. MM: Yes. I apologize. I don’t know why the call dropped. a Mm-hmm. > Okay. . ae: MR. : Yeah. MR. : And who was that TD guy Y? (Indiscernible *00:16:59). VR. I: .sHis last name was HBB, and I don’t remember his first name. He was an electrician. WR. QM: | An electrician. know which facility he came from? MR. : No. I'm not too sure. MR. : You don’t know the first name? WR. MM: «I forgot his first name. We just call everybody by their last name. MR. : But he’s not from MCC? MR. : No. He's not in from MCC. MR. : After the interview, can you just see if you can identify who that person is, and then send me an email? MR. | Okay. MR. : Of the person's name. But the August 8th, 2019, you believe this -- MR. — Yeah. MR. : -+ this TDY employee, now? 28 You got a TD guy with you. Do you EFTA00064200

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 29 HMM. was with you? MR. | Yeah. He was with me. We were together all day because we were doing the piping, and trying to put the rack in. MR. : And what is a rack? MR. : Where the -. Well, for the new camera system, that’s where the power supply, the switch would go, the camera feed, the (Indiscernible *00:17:38) five cables would go. Everything will go on the rack. MR. a. So, it had to do with the camera system? WR. QJ: «The upgrading the new camera system. Yes. WR. QM: «Is that anything that could have possibly caused the cameras to stop recording? WR. MM: «No. That's -. Nothing was hooked up. It was just the hardware. There was no wiring or nothing. MR. a. Okay. So, that could not have affected the camera? The cameras? No. . All right. And do you remember, prior to August 9th, checking on the 31 So, I had to I had to change one they weren't working before. rebuild one of the drives. of the drives out. Okay. . That’s when I went to say, let me order a whole bunch of drives, to replace all the drives together, at once. WR. QM: «And are you able to determine when you made that order? MR. =. Yes. We have a purchase order. YR. QM: AN] right. So, those two things so far. Can you give me the name of =, and the second thing is the purchase order, with regard to -- . : Yeah. . : == when you made that Yeah. -- for the new drives? Mm-hmm . I'l] send you an email after this. MR. : Okay. MR. : Just kind of reminding PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 30 camera system, though, to make sure it was recording? MR. MM: Yes. After we had the problem, yes. MR. =. No, no, no. Prior to the Yes. Prior to the 9th. And when did you check on, prior, like, how many days before? Do you remember? MR. : I don’t really remember. MR. : Are you talking about, like, a few days leading up, a day leading up, or are you talking about, like, a month or two? MR. a. Maybe, like, weeks. Not months. It wouldn’t have been a month. MR. : Like, a few weeks? MR. : Yeah, because I had to order the parts. I don’t know when I ordered the parts. But I had to know that they weren’t working. WR. MM: | But 1 thought you just said that they were working, and you only ordered them as preventative maintenance? MR. a. Well, I - yeah -. Well, 32 you of what it is we're hoping to get. And there, but again, you ordered that because there was_a problem with the -- Recorders. -- with the recorders -- Yes. -- you fixed that problem. WR. [: | Temporarily. But I knew it was going to happen again. And the best thing to do was replace all the drives. MR. a. Okay. So, you knew that it would stop recording again? MR. =. I knew there was going to be a problem again. Yes. MR. a. Okay. know that MR. 2 Talking to the vendor, and talking to , and the age of the unit, because it was, like, 15 years old. And the fact that it’s on 365, 24 days, and on 24 hours a day, like, it just constantly goes on. And then, when you try to do maintenance, something as simple as changing the time, the recording would stop for, like, a whole day, day and a And what made you EFTA00064201

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 33 half. Because for the drives rebuilding, you have to change the time. . : Okay. : And before all of this happened, I actually put in a camera project. That's why I was in the middle of a camera project, to replace everything. MR. a. Now, when you say that the people you spoke to, you mentioned (, and then, you said the customer service people -- Signet. MR. : MR. : MR. : Yeah. Mainly | would talk to him. WR. BE 2s your main point of contact? i Yes. What about a J Would you recall -? oe ne ee HBB was the one that came after beet That's the guy that showed up when we had to put in the new drives. Because we ordered the new -. We ordered the new recorders. But everything was downstairs in 35 WR. QR: «And what was the system again? °. a: Yeah. SigNet. Raid (Phonetic Sp. like that? wR. MM: I don't -. a raid system. A raid array. that’s what he kept saying. MR. : Okay. MR. : It was raid. MR. : And do you know what that means? Raid array? WR. a. Just the way the drives would go. So, if, the way he explained that to me, if one drive would go bad, that’s not so bad. But as soon as two drives go bad, that’s when all the recordings pretty much stops. : So -- Because it was a redundant I know it was I remember Raid array. -- okay. So, when one drive goes bad, does any, do any recordings stop? wR. No. It will keep PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 34 the basement. And we weren’t really a priority on the list until, of course, Epstein happened. That's when SigNet came the next day, and put the new recorders in. WR. QM: Okay. So, prior to August 10th, 2019, your main point of contact was SigNet, with I mean, . Yes. And what was his role and responsibilit with SigNet? MR. =. He is just, like, the guy we will call if there is a problem, or if training, or if I don't know the system. Because, like, this system, I never had training on it. So, like, when I saw it, because the last institution I was, was, like, maybe two versions ahead of this one. So, when I saw this recording, I was, like, this stuff is old, like, I don’t know anything about it. Like, what should I do? So, I called and a. like, pretty much would walk me through trouble shooting, if there is a problem. 36 recording. WR. : «So, it will automatically shift over to the other drive? MR. : To the other slot. MR. : Okay. MR. : And then, when two drives go bad, that’s when all the recordings stop. WR. WM: «So, what is the difference between ours, where is one -. Is what you're talking about a DVR-1 and a DVR-2? MR. MJ: «No. That's the drive in the DVRs, because there’s 16 drives. That's what - I think - that’s what it was. So, out of the 16 like, in DVR-1, if one goes bad, that's not a problem. As soon as the second drive goes bad, then that's when you have a problem. And that’s when the recording would stop. MR. MM: Okay. So, what is your understanding of what happened here? Oh. The drive went bad. One of them? Two of them. Yeah. Two of them -- I believe. Yes. EFTA00064202

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow PRR RPE RR Re rm CON Dw SW N rR OW ON DW Sw Nr “ ae od rr 41 Supervision, they could have taken the drives offline, or the recordings offline? WR. WM: «Hmm, yeah. But yeah, nobody would have that access. WR. QM: «Would they be able to do it from there, though? v. I. Yes. yes. R. a: one had access to it? MR. : No. MR. : Okay. So, you would be the one and only person with access to Supervision? MR. : Yes. MR. : And there is no, like, if you're not there, somebody else has -- There is nobody -- -- a way to -- -- there is nobody. -- how would they do that? From SigNet? To get access again. MR. : Oh, no. They would just have to know the password, to log in. MR. a. Well, that’s what I mean. 43 They probably would, But you are confident no Yeah. repairs before, when I was trying to figure stuff out, and I couldn’t figure it out, where they would - through a modem - they would remote into the -. Well, I would have to grant them access to look at the drives, to (Indiscernible *00:25:26) of the drives. So, how -- And we've done that Yes. before. WR. WM: -- so, you had to grant them access. They couldn't go in there -- MR. : No MR. : == without your -. MR. : Physically. And physically, you have to put a cable in. MR. : Okay. MR. : Yeah. MR. : So, you are the one and only person with access, remotely, that could have accessed those servers? MR. : Yes. MR. : Okay. And do you remember the last time you would have accessed that application? wR. QM: «1 have no idea. =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew Mmmenmrn Ww Wr 42 So, if you ended up not being able to show up, or you left, or something like that, how would someone gain access to that? MR. MER: That's something they would have to try to figure out, but yeah. I don’t -. WR. QM: «But to your knowledge, you're the only person that had the password to Yes. access SupervisioN? MR. : MR. : Okay. And SigNet wouldn’t be able to remote in? MR. QM: No. They have no access to remote it. That’s BOP. They don’t want them to be able to backdoor remote in to anything: R. MR: Okay. wR. QM: 0h. well, they -. The old system, they were able to, if you had a 56K (Phonetic Sp. *00:25:06) modem, they were able to do maintenance, and tell me, like, the status of the drives. But I would have to physically hook up 56k modem. But at the time, that wasn’t hooked up. Because we did some 44 a: No? Would it have been leading up to August 9th, 2019? . : Probably. Yeah. : And do you know around how long before that? No. Is there a way to determine? Do they have, like, some thing that you can see when your last log ons were, or anything like that? MR. MM: You could call computer services, then they could tell you my keystrokes or whatever, whatever I logged into. But that’s, like, the only time. Yeah. But there is really nothing to say when I logged in. MR. a. But to your recollection, you were not accessing Supervision at all? MR. GJ: Hmm. =I mean, they showed me how to do some stuff on it, but I don’t really even think I remembered how to - at that time - I don’t really remember. MR. QM: «But the point being, in this case, you didn't find out the recordings And when did you - EFTA00064204

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP had stopped because of that application, Supervision. Correct? MR. I don't believe so. No. MR. Okay. And you did not take the cameras, or recordings, offline from Supervision. Correct? MR. No. Ican't. Yeah. No. I’ve never been able to do that. So, no. MR. So, you don’t even -. Sorry. I thought you told me before you could do it. DO_you think -- MR. PE You have access to do it, yes, if you are in Supervision. Yeah. There is stuff you can do on Supervision to stop the recordings. Yes. MR. Now, if you weren't really familiar with the application, is it possible that you were in there, and you knocked them offline? No. Okay. I wouldn't knock anything accidental] No. You don't believe 47 WR. QJ: Yeah. Supervision has a - Every time you log into Supervision, you see a username and who logged in. That's always kept on Supervision. MR. —. Okay. And do you have access to that now, to be able to -- Yes. -- determine? Yes. So, it shows that -- Well, that -- -- it shows -. -- well, whatever system you have, you can log into it, and see what you have on it, in Supervision. And when you logged in, and when ou lo ed out? MR. : Yeah. MR. : So, would you still have the ability now, to go back to see when you logged in and logged out? MR. : For the old system, no. MR. : No? Not for the old system. wR. WM: 01d system, no. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 46 MR. : Okay. And what would be a reason for you to go into the application, Supervision? MR. Just to see what was going on, who's logging on, or just to, if something looks funky to me, or just doesn't feel right, to see what was going on. MR. Okay. MR. Yeah. MR. And do you have any examples, prior to August 9th, 2019, when you would have done that? MR. I know there was one time, like, when they remoted in, they were showing me stuff on the drives. And I was talking to SigNet over the phone, and they were showing me how to fix _the drives before. MR. Okay. MR. But other than that, like, I don’t really remember me using Supervision that much. MR. And that would have been, they would have had a log of when that happened? 48 WR. QM: «Okay. But SigNet would probably have a_call log of you -- MR. : Of who's on. -- talking with them? Yes. Going over -- Supervision. -- Supervision? -- yes. All right. So, SigNet ide us something, with Supervision. Yes. -- when they had you in Yeah. And do you think that you went in there, though, aside from them showing you? WR. GJ: Maybe to check some stuff But not really. MR. Okay. All right. So, again, August 9th is the first time you think that you knew that the cameras weren't recording. out. EFTA00064205

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 49 MR. | I Mm-hmmn MR. : If we were to tell you that the cameras actually stopped the recording on July 29th, 2019, you said that’s news to you? wR. QM: «Yes. That’s kind of a long time for me not to notice that the cameras like, a week and a half. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. For me not to notice that they stop ed recording. . : So - ; But I “could see where, if I didn’ t do it, because we were busy with a project, maybe I didn't check it. But that’s kind of hard. And for SIS, or nobody to tell me, like, hey, the cameras weren't recording, or we've tried to pull video and it wasn’t working. That's kind of weird, too. WR. QM: | A0] right. A011 right. So, since you don’t remember these, we're going to start going into -- MR. : Sure. 51 WR. QM: | And can you just recat) that conversation, of what they told you, and what happened, and where it was? a It’s pretty simple. Like, hey, , the camera is not working, this and that, (Indiscernible *00:30:03). Like, I just go and do my thing. WR. a. And did they tel] you, fix it immediately? : Did they tell you that they were informing the captain? MR. : No. MR. : And you don’t recall i HB being involved? MR. —. Pfft. This is two years (Indiscernible *00:30:16) get involved, as far Well - = I mean, ‘after the fact, everybody is involved, but - So the information we and were attempting to review video on August 8th -- MR. mom Oh, okay. 2019. PRR RR SwWwKNrPOCOW OHMS fWwNP RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 50 MR. QM: | -- some of these -. I'm just, again, because I assumed you were going to remember this stuff, I'm going to cover these questions to make sure that I don’t miss anything. Mm-hmm . MR. : MR. a. And then, we will have to, maybe, refresh with some of them. So, did tell you to fix the cameras on August 9th, 2019? On August 8th -- : 8th. . : -- or 9th, 2019. . : Yes. The 8th or 9th. Yes. Okay. Somebody did tel] me about the drives. WR. QR: | And who was it that told you? MR. MM: I think it was SIS. Somebody in SIS. It might have been But I'm pretty sure it’s somebody from SIS that told me, hey, the cameras stopped working. Or here, there is a problem. at vie -- -- for some reason. Z -- and they were looking at video So, they called you. And had you come up. had o “determine what was going on. MR. : Oka mR. - | ee on August 8th, she said, make sure that you get Mm-hnmn . this thin fixed. mW She, then, she said she didn' t von on August 9th, and the schedule for August 9th reflects that. WR. MM: Okay. So, if that happened, I'm not saying this happened, but if it that did happen, I probably noticed that the drive went back and probably was trying to rebuild the drive. But I'm not sure if that’s exactly -. Honestly, I don't remember the day before what happened. 52 -- 2019. Okay. They were looking And -- And EFTA00064206

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 53 WR. GR: And that’s what I'm trying to, you know -- MR. : Mm-hmm. MR. : -+ refresh your recollection. So, on August 8th, 2019, she said it happened some time before 2:00 p.m., that's when she spoke to you about this. MR : So, I would have went in And she said -. MR. : MR. | og And if I was upstairs, I would have went right in the room. " a And she - yeah - she said M : But I don't remember. M -- she was under the understanding that, on August 8th, you were fixing it. Yeah. MR. : MR. im She said, she didn't work on August 9th, and she hadn’t planned on working on August 10th -- Mm-hmen . -- but she got called in. Mm-hmm . 55 think I would wait until the 9th to fix it. So, if it did happen on the 8th, I don’t really remember the 8th. I remember the 9th more specifically. But it did happen on the 8th. I would have went to the room, and just replaced the drives, because that’s the only thing I would do. MR. All right. I'm going to skip ahead and do, I'm going to read you - and I'll continue on with this - I'm going to -- MR. :— Yeah. MR. -- read you the FBI interview report from when you -- . — Mmn=hmm . : == do you remember, you said that you were interviewed by the FBI? MR. — Yes. I was. MR. : All right. So, this says you were interviewed by the FBI on March 12th, 2020. Is that correct? MR. : All right. So, I'm going to just read, I'll just read the whole thing, so that we're not missing anything. It says, “On March 12, 2020, A it says =— ROW OHMS fwrNP PRR RRR RR OCOD Sw R mm nd MmeMmnNr Ww = Wh Re CWO HM fWwrNP : On August 10th -- : August 10th. : -- because of what -- : Yeah. Epstein. : -+ happened with Epstein. Yes. She said, when she saw e had learned that the camera system wasn’t fixed -- MR. Yeah. MR. -- and they weren't recording. MR. | § Yeah. MR. And she said, IN, why didn't this get fixed? And your response to her was, I came in today to do that. Does that sound accurate? Yeah. Does that all help you -- Yes. -- recollect what's going MR. |] It sounds accurate, but -. So, if something happened on the 8th, I don't 56 your date of birth and telephone number, “was interviewed by Assistant United States Attorney, (Phonetic Sp. *00:32:42), Task Force Officer Detective (Phonetic Sp. *00:32:45), and Special Agent , at the United States Attorney's Office, Southern District of New York, 1 St. Andrew Plaza, New York, New York. During the interview, | provided the following details.” Does that all sound correct so far? Yes. MR. H MR. a. And we're just going to stop after each paragraph, to have you -- . Mm-hinmn . : == to check in with you. started working for the Bureau of Yes. MR MR. = Prisons in 2003, and worked in both New York and Indiana. had some college education , and had ten years’ experience in electronics.” Correct? MR. : Yes. MR. : “In 2016, QM was put in charge of all the cameras at the EFTA00064207

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow PRR RPE RR Re rm CON Dw SW N rR OW ON DW Sw Nr “ a a ee ond We wWwrr Ow 57 Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC). [I advised that the camera at MCC were out of date. The recorders frequently went bad, and the cameras were all analog, and not maintained properly.” MR. : Yes. MR. : “The camera system was over 20 years old. Sometimes, the screen would be active, indicating that the camera was working. However, the video would not be recording.” MR. : Yes. MR. : “BY advised that only one hard drive of the camera system was working, at the time of the incident, on August 10th, 2019. When a DVR went bad, none of the cameras recorded. There was a system failure of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019, and the motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 2019. The hard drive failure occurred on August 10th, 2019.” Is that something that you provided to them? wR. WR: Yeah. Yes. WR. QM: So, can you just explain 59 SigNet didn't have the parts to replace it, so I had to call with , I contacted another BOP facility, and then, I took the computer apart, and he just pretty much replaced the motherboard, and got the DVR-2 to start yes. , wR. QM: Well, it just says -. It doesn't say when you got it to stop working. It just says there was a system failure of DVR- 2 on July 29th, 2019. wR. QM; «1 believe they probably spoke to Signet then. I'm not too sure with the dates because everything is -. I've been super busy. The dates, I'm not really good with. WR. QM: Okay. But on July 29th, 2019, with the system failure, would have that stopped the recordings? WR. WJ: Yes. A system failure would have stopped the recordings. MR. a. Okay. And is it your understanding that, after July 29th, the I probably did. On the 29th? If that’s what it says, =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew 58 to me what we're talking about here, because it That was - It says, specifically, there was a system failure -- WR - Yes. -- of DVR-2, on July 29th -- 2019. * That was a month before. Well, yeah. WR. QM: That’s that week and a (Indiscernible *00:34:34). That’s the July 29th, Yes. : == that we were talking about. ‘So, what would have happened with the system failure? MR. MM: That’s when I had to replace the motherboard on the DVR-2. MR. : And what does that mean? MR. : DVR-2 was really old, and recordings were working? a i All right. Because he would have jogged. into Nice Vision, and he would have seen things was_workin ; But I thought you said tat -- : a. -- you'll only see if it was working. if it was live feed. I thought you said you wouldn’t see recording. MR. —. No. If you log into the Nice Vision, with the live feed, you would think everything is still recording because everything looks green. It's when you try to play back the video and, like, oh, wow, there’s nothing being recorded. That's when you would know there is a problem. Okay. So -- So, if somebody has -- -- the way you check -- -- to pull the video. And that’s, well -- -- like, the way you EFTA00064208

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 61 to rewind video? checked was to tr MR. =. Yeah. That's the only way you could check it, is try to pull video from the days prior. MR. a. All right. So, you are aware, though, on July 29th, 2019, it stopped recording, but your understanding was that you got it to work again? MR. —: Yes. Everything started working again. MR. a All right. And do you know if you checked on it for say, let's say the 30th of July, or -? MR. as. I was in the middle of a project, so I can't say I was just focused on that, because there was a lot going on. WR. QM: «So, you only recall that you would have checked on the 29th? MR. : Yeah. MR. : Of July. MR. : Yeah. I don’t think I would have had reason to check, unless somebody told me it_wasn’t working. WR. QM: Okay. And it says, “And the motherboard failed on DVR-2, on August 8th, =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe as well. the SigNet service call, i‘ : Yeah. So, this is the SigNet sve request number 2 24975. a Mm-hmm. — Mm=hme It says, assigned to I Re CWO HM fWwrNP *00: m: 33). 1 ‘ — : Mm- “ham, (Indiscernible -- ad Date creat Au ust t 8th, 2019. , : _ Okay. And then, if we go down and it hn; at the, ‘yell, we'll read the comment section. MR. : Okay. MR. So, there is a comment by on su 8th, 2019, at 3:38 p.m. It says, “Hi, IM. Unable to locate anything official. The basic steps are as follows. Set the raid level to none and save. It will restart it with all drives being J. Replace any faulty drives. Two, set the raid level to 2019.” What does that mean? WR. HM: So, the motherboard, that's the one I had to get replaced on August Right. So, this says August 8th. And you've been saying that you first learned on August 9th. So, where does this come into play? How do we know that the motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 2019? MR. MEM: August 8th. That's the motherboard I wrote, I must have replaced. Because I remember replacing a motherboard. WR. MM: And what does a motherboard do? What is that? MR. I: When ago did this happen? Everything happened on the Epstein, that was -- Epstein was the 10t . -- 10th. And just to help -- So, that’s -- -- $0, just so we're not -- yeah, that -. -- let me just read you 64 five, and save. It will restart and being, and initialization.” And obviously, these words seem to be wrong. I'm sure -- MR. + Mm-hmm.. MR. : == it's supposed to say, it will restart_and begin initialization. Mm-hinen . It talks about the password. And it talks about different directions to go forward -- MR. + Mm-hmm.. -- with. And then, there on August 14, 2019, at 8:02 p.m. This says, = called us on Thursday, August 8th, stating that he had two bad drives on his raid unit." Mm-hinen . “OF the Nice Vision Pro unit, NVR. We advised him to get replacement drives.” Mm-hmm . MR. : MR. a. Once they are replaced, they should start to -- MR. : Initialize. MR. : -- initialize -- EFTA00064209

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 65 Yes. MR. : MR. : _-- to become available for the raid array. did not have drives readily available.” . : Mm-hnm. . : “He checked with his ” which again -- Mm-hmen . tos : said was -- . -- okay. “To see if they had any spare replacement drives. Once he located replacement drives on Friday, August 9th, he did not have access to the DVR room to replace them. He called SigNet for phone support, on Saturday, August 10th -- MR. Mm-hmen . MR. : -+ when he gained access to the DVR room. Mm-hmen . “He attempted to replace the drives, and they started to rebuild. During the rebuild process of the drives, the drives were required to be taken out of the raid on DVR-2.” 67 WR. QM: A011 right. And it was the 8th that someone told you that the recorders -- WR. QM: | (indiscernible *00:40:04), and I probably went to go look at the room. Yes. And then, I probably went back the next day, on the 9th, because the Thursday, when he told me to put the drives in, I probably went to put the drives in, and replace them. And then, Friday, is when I'm stopped to see if the drives finished that rebuilding. wR. QM: «I'm sorry. Can you repeat this again? What happened? WR. a. Okay. Okay. Now, it’s making more sense. WR. QM: So, on the 8th, was it - can you recall - was it a HB that told -? WR. QM: «Somebody told me what was going on, on the 8th. MR. At the time, was there only two SIS people workin there, = and SIS Tech - -- MR. MR. : -- is it -? =— ROW OHMS fwrNP PRR RRR RR OCOD Sw R mm nd MmeMmnNr Ww = Wh Re CWO HM fWwrNP MR. | | Yeah. MR. : “Once the drives are removed without proper shutdown of the recorder, the video database becomes corrupted. Typically, any time the raid on a raid five cont gua loses two drives -- . a. Mm= hin -- the raid needs to be rebuilt and all data is wiped from the raid.” MR. + Mm-hmm. = Mm-hmm. MR. : Do you want to just review that yourself? MR. — Uh-huh, MR. : So that I'm not just reading it to you, and tell me if that sounds accurate to you. MR. —, Yes. That sounds a little bit better, like, what happened. MR. : So, is this now refreshing your recollection that, actually, on August 8th, is when you found out? MR Yes. Okay. Yes. Were they -? I think two -- Two working. -- at the time. Yes. So, would it have been one of the two of them? Two of them. Yes. Okay. And they told you It was the It was the 8th? The 8th. Yes. Recorders went bad. -- waS -. Yes. Okay. So - And then, and that's probably when I called SigNet, okay, two drives, two bad drives. So, I probably got the drives. I started to rebuild it. And then, the next day, that’s when I checked. MR. a. But it sounds like, from this, you didn't have the drives on the 8th. Is that correct? EFTA00064210

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 69 MR. QM: 1 probably - because there was spare drives on the room - so, I probably started to rebuild on the 8th. I'm not too sure. Honestly. MR. ez. All right. Well, this is really important for us to get you to try to remember. I know. MR. : MR. : Because this is, like, a big piece of this, the fact that the cameras were down when Epstein -- Yeah, I know, but I -- -- and - : -- I was doing, like, a million things, and I've been doing a million things. after, like -- -- this happened. “iz So, on the 8th, you actual believe that, from reading this -- mT This. Yes. -- you believe that you actually did try to rebuild on the 8th -- . : Yes. . =. -- and not on the 10th? 71 WR. QR: -- so, on the 8th, you went to look for drives? MR. : Yes. MR. : Do you think you located them on the 8th? wR. ME: Hmm. =I came back the next day, and that’s when I replaced them. WR. QM: Well, the next day was the 9th -- The 9th. , 4 -- and it says that you didn't have access to -- MR. : Just to replace -- MR. : -+ replace. MR. : == yeah, I can't go in the room. WR. QR: So then, it sounds like, so, you didn't do anything on the 8th -- Or the 9th. -- or the 9th. Mm-hmen . You obtained the hardware, but then, on the 10th -- YR. MMMM: That's when I got access to the room. Sure. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 70 MR. | | Not on the 10th. Yes. MR. : All right. Because that way that it reads, I thought was that, you didn't have them on the 8th. On the 9th, you didn't have access, “And then, on the 10th, when he gained access to the DVR room, he attempted to replace the drives, and they started to rebuild.” That's how this reads. MR. MJ: That sounds about -. That sounds right. Yeah. MR. =. So, now you're thinking, you actually did it on the 10th, and not the 8th? MR. MJ: Yeah, I know I replaced the drives on the 10th, because that’s when they told me, like, not to do it, and it got crazy. WR. MM: 1] right. So, now you're thinking it actually you didn't do anything on the 8th. VR. GR: Hmm. =I probably know about those drives being bad, and I went to go get drives. . : Yes. 72 MR. QM: -- and previously, what you told us that, is that you found out on the 9th, and then on the 10th, you didn't have access to the room, so on the 10th, you did overtime so that you could do it then. MR. a. I was going to be doing overtime anyway. So, I was going to be there regardless. MR. QM: © You were going to be there on the 10th, regardless? MR. : Yeah, because we had TDY people there. MR Okay. So, you were going to be working on the 10th, overtime, regardless of this camera issue? WR. SR: Yeah. I was Regardless. -. Because this had nothing to do with my overtime. I was doing a project. WR. MY: 01 right. Because we talked in pretty detail, in July, when and I spoke with you about, like, how someone approved your overtime to work on the 10th, specifically to work on this camera issue. MR. Pe No. This was not for that. EFTA00064211

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Wonton fwWwrP 77 one, is that the -? wR. MM: «No. That's OSP-1. That's outside perimeter. But he still had, would have the key. So, he probably would have given me access to the room. WR. WE: | And do you believe that you actually spoke with him about any of this? . a. Yeah. We spoke about it, Prior to the 10th? -- yeah. When would have you spoken with him? WR. WE: When I went in the room, like, because he was leaving for the day, he was, like, well, you can't have access. I'll be back tomorrow. And then, I would have came Well, and what day did he t? On the 8th or the 9th? That was that Friday. So, the 9th? Yeah. All right. in on that Friday? Can you just -- recording. Yes. And that was by an SIS Mm-hmm Somebody, either a IM Mm-hmen . -- ora Yeah. On the 9th, you went in to go fix it? MR. : Yes. MR. : But_you went towards the end of your shift, when Pe was leaving? MR. a: I started doing something before then, but it was going to be too late for the drives to rebuild, so even if I replaced them, it wasn’t going to be, like, right away. The drives were going to start working. WR. GM: Well, didn't you say that it took about eight hours for the drives to -? MR. _—e A whole day. 24 hours. 78 MR. MM: Yeah. Let me -. I don’t see his name on the first couple of pages. However, you want to go through the rest. MR. a, All right. So, again, the way that this reads is - MR. : T think you said, | MR. : Excuse me? MR. : PRBBBM is listed for phone monitor. MR. : So, BE is there? MR. : Yeah. It looks like he was assigned to phone monitor. MR. —. All right. And phone monitor would have been in the SIS room? : Yes. : All right. And -- In the SIS room. : == and how do they -- : (Indiscernible *00:47:43). : == is that It's i. : Okay. Great. All right. So, he would have been the phone monitor. So, your understanding, then, is on the 8th, that’s when it was noticed that this thing wasn’t -- So -- Not eight hours. Not eight hours. A whole 24 hours. MR. : == $0, why wouldn't you have rebuilt them -- MR. : MR. : Mm-hinn . -- during the day, on the 9th, so “that ou could check back in on the -- Probably -- -- 10th? -- well, like I said, I didn't have drives, or I was trying to get the drives. WR. QM: «Well, this says that, on the 8th, you didn't have the drives. On the Mm-hinen . -- he had -- Yeah. -- he did not access to Mm-hinen . -- DVR room. Mm-hinmn -- to replace them. EFTA00064213

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RR SD ee ee od Se wWwNr Ow CO RPE RP RP RRR rE rm SOW SwMre re COW ON DW Sw wr “ ae ee od WS Wr rs © Ww oc 81 MR. QM: To replace the drives. Yeah. So, it was probably later, in the end of the day, I had all the drives, and I went to go replace them. And that’s when I couldn’t go in the room. MR. a: Okay. And then, you talked to at that time, and said you would be back on Saturday to do it? MR. : Yeah. Yeah. MR. : All_right. Now, in talking to ss she explained that this was an extremely urgent matter, and that she spoke to - she wrote a memo on it. And she talked to the captain, and they said, That sounds like -- -- she said -- -- a lot of B.S. I'm make sure you get this done today. And that -- . : Yeah. . : == on the 10th, when she MR. say like -- rg -- that doesn't -. saw yOu -- MR. : MR. : sorry to -- okay. Because this thing happened so many times, as 83 very (Indiscernible *00:49:57). MR. This is a big deal. This is, like, you can't leave. You've got to stay here. WR. QM: “Well, that’s what she says, she said she actually wrote a memo, provided it to the captain, both said, yes, this has got_to get done on the 8th. MR. a: Well, if that was the case, they would have gave, me access and I would have stayed in the building. I would never get to go home. And that's what I’ve done before in my other institution. Any time anything fails, or if there is a big failure, you stay until it’s fixed. MR. Right. WR. QE; And that's what they are doing now. MR. reconcile. Yeah. MR | Because the memo was written on the 8th, provided to the captain. They said, “Make sure it’s fixed.” She's And that's where -- what we're trying to RR ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wwrerow mre oe RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew 82 I’ve been there. Like, why would this day be different from the months leading up to it, where this kept happening? Like, why would -. I know Epstein happened. Everybody is trying . Yeah. MR. : -- okay, this is what happened, but before that, nobody even cared. To be honest with you. : So -- I'm just going to be Nobody cared that the drives were bad, or the recordings aren't working. Oh, those recorders weren't working. Okay. Fix it, And then, we will go from there. MR. MR. honest. But nobody, before Epstein, this was, like, a known iy Okay. MR. : Like, the drives would go bad. There would be no video. It was no big deal to anybody in that building. MR. : Because you said, in every other institution, within the BOP -- Yeah. -- this would have been 84 saying that the next time she saw you, on the 10th, and finds out that the video wasn’t recorded, she says to you, why didn't you fix this on the 8th? MR. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. And because it doesn't even take me a day to fix -. Those problems, it takes me a couple of days, because I have to rebuild drives. Even when I rebuild the drive, the next day it’s not going to work. MR. Right. MR. It's going to take a couple of days. And after I rebuild the drives, you have no video from the days prior. I don't even know what video you have after the drives start working. You have to go look to see what video you have. MR. =. Okay. So, again, I guess that's the question of, why didn't you start working on it immediately, on the 8th? Because I have no idea. Well -- Well, I was working on it, -- it was -. EFTA00064214

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 85 WR. QM: But, like, it looks like, it was a pattern of, okay, MM, it's a priority, but it's not a priority. WR. Okay. MR. : And for somebody to say they wrote a memo to the captain, like, where is there a memos before when this happened? WR. QM: «And then, we'll have to ask, I guess -- MR. : Yeah. MR. : == (Indiscernible *00:51:16) about previous memos. MR. =. Yeah. There’s got to be previous memos. MR. : Okay. MR. : Yeah. that right there. WR. WM: So, you don’t think that that’s accurate? WR. QM: No. I would not say that that’s accurate. I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus, but to say, like, this, this day, like, it’s bigger than any other time it happening, like, come on, this has been happening for months now. This is - yeah, 87 Iwas, like, well, at my other jail, if something wasn't working, I couldn’t leave. Like, if he radios go down, I have to stay there until the radios are fixed. Like, two months ago, the radios failed, and - oh, three months ago - they failed in Brooklyn. They called me from MCC New York, to go to Brooklyn to help them with their radio system. mR. Pd Right. MR. : Their console. So, if that was the case, they would have called MCC to come, if I couldn't stay to fix the problem. So, that’s never been previous practice over No. Now, are you aware that the captain was notified? WR. QM: | He probably - he should have been notified. It’s the captain's equipment every time the camera is not recording. WR. QM: Al] right. So, but you do recall, you did speak on the 8th with the they told me to go home. Okay. That’s, like, that's news PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 86 : Okay. MR. : It's been happening since I got in that building. And I was at a previous institution and like I said, if this was a big deal, I wouldn’t even go home. , you've got to stay for overtime. You've got to call SigNet. I'm going to give you the key for the room. MR. a Well, that’s what the said that they did. Or at least — is saying that she told you that this is Pfft. Right now. And -- Oh, yeah. Everybody is trying to cover their tracks. No. This is not the case. I could honestly say this is not the . All right. . : And it has never been previous practice before. I had a facility manager, a (Phonetic Sp. *00:52:05) ,my previous facility manager, I'm, like, hey, the first time this happened, I remember it because it was so weird to me that , with an -- MR. : Yes. MR. : -- one of the two -- MR. : (Indiscernible *00:53:00). MR. : -- SIS. MR. : I talked to somebody on the 8th. Yes. WR. QR: | And you just can't specifically even kind of put yourself back into that? MR. : No. MR. : Do you remember, though, on the 10th, = saying, why didn't you fix this? MR. MJ: I was so busy with everything else. Like, I don’t even remember that. MR. ME: So, you don’t remember . : No. I don’t. : Do you have any reason to believe it wasn’t HE that you spoke with on the 8th? MR. : No. I don’t believe so. MR. : You don’t believe you EFTA00064215

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 93 WR. BM: | And then, so you think that they actually located these dates on themselves? MR. Yeah. They probably would have to call SigNet to get the exact dates. WR. a. So, you don’t think that this is actually the information you provided them during the interview? MR. —. No. Because I wouldn’t have gave them -. There is no way I would have had that, or remembered this. No. MR. Okay. And then, saying that the motherboard failed on DVR-2, on August 8th, 2019. MR. That’s something -. Yeah. That's information they would have got from . So, you don’t believe that this, you actually - this paragraph right here - that you told them? You think that they got that information -- MR. Yeah. They probably -- MR. -- outside of your interview? -- collaborated it with 95 T know. : “BBD was asked about the cameras.” MR. : Mm-hmnm. MR : Who asked you about the cameras? Do you recall? MR. a, Pfft. The warden. Everybody. Anybody that could think about asking me questions asked. WR. —. All right. two new hard drives to install.” MR. Yeah. MR. “But installing the new hard drives would mean that all prior data -- Yeah. -- would be lost. Lost. Yeah. You would “There were lose all video. wR. : ob. lose all a. MR. MR. the old video? MR. MR. Lose all video or All the old video. Yes. Oh, so, the recording of Yes. Yeah. So, when you install PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 94 SigNet. Yes. Because me and - I don’t even remember exact dates today. So, like, there’s no way I could remember exact dates. MR. All right. [REE did you want to follow up on that? WR. MM: No. Imean, yeah, it comes from -. So, you’re saying that the statement in the 302 is inaccurate? No. No. . No. He's not saying that's inaccurate. MR. I'm saying it’s accurate, but they robably found out dates. MR. —, He's saying that he thinks that they got this information based upon another source, not from him. Not from me. Okay. Because I can't give you exact dates. That’s all. MR. All right. So, there is - just while we're on this 302 - there is another part that says, “After the incident,” and that’s the Epstein incident. 96 these new hard drives -- MR. The two new drives, and everything would be gone. MR. : == everything is wiped. MR. : So, whatever video they were looking for, it would be gone. So, whatever they were trying to, it would be gone. MR. —. Okay. It says, “The Warden wanted video, and so was told to start working on the system.” MR. : Yes. MR. : So, at this time, was it prior to replacing the new, the two new drives? MR. a. Well, this time, that’s when I probably started replacing the drives. MR. But if -- MR. Yeah. MR. -- if you replaced them and all recording gets -- Wiped. -- wiped. Yeah. Then how would you be e0? MR. Yeah, there is no video EFTA00064217

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 97 obtained. WR. WM: So, that's what I'm just trying to make sense of what this states. So, “The Warden wanted video, so J -- They wanted me to start -- -- was told - -- they wanted me to start that day recording video. We will get the recorder to work, though -- Oh. -- (Indiscernible ‘—_—. Well, he didn't want video of the incident -- Incident. -- he wanted video to 57:56). And then, he was trying to see if there was video from the incident, and I'm, like, there is no video. And that’s when, the next day, I find out there was a video on the other recorder -- MR. : Okay. MR. : == that, yeah, that other camera. Yeah. Is that correct? Yes. So, are you the ones that The drives. -- drives? Yeah. : And you -- And I labeled everything. . -- and you put the new, two new drives in? MR. : Yes. MR. : All right. MR. : And then, the FBI came and stopped me in the middle of everything. WR. BR: «It says, = advised that the FBI agent was the one who pulled out the DVR.” WR. QJ: Yeah. Because I told them, if you pull out the drives, that you're going to have problems, there’s going to be corruption, because like I, like I told you before, you pull out two drives, like, PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 98 MR. MM: «So, that helped explain it. When you were saying the warden wanted video, you're talking about from that point forward, the video -- MR. : The video. Yeah. MR. : == he wanted the recording to be working -- MR. : Yeah. He -- MR. : == not the video of the incident. WR. MM. -- well, they wanted a video of the incident, and the recorder to start working. I'm, like, there’s no video, there’s nothing I could do. I can't find any Okay. That recorder is gone. I gotcha. So then, it was at that point, okay, we'll get the recorder working, and do whatever you got to do to get the recorder working. MR. —. Okay. So, it says, “GRRE started removing the bad drives in order to rebuild the DVR.” 100 everything is wiped. Even if there is a video from before. You just, you're, like, out of luck. Because it’s going to -- MR. : Now, can you just explain that? What is it that they pulled? Two of the drives. They pulled the two Yeah. Because I was -. See, what happened was, I was going to start rebuilding the drives, so I labeled everything. It was, it was the best. So, they wanted me to -. Let me if I can (Indiscernible *00:59:23). So, everything stopped working. I go in the room, , you've got to get the recorder working. Well, I got to pull the drives out to get the recorder working. So, the two drives that I pulled out. And so, the two old drives, and the two new drives, I jabeled them, because I knew that it was going to be a big thing. So, I got to pay attention to what I'm doing. And then, in the midst of all that, that's when they took the drives, and said, hey, we need to stop doing everything. WR. QM: § So, who is it that EFTA00064218

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 101 actually pulled the bad drives out? You or the FBI? WR. MJ: I pulled the bad drives out to replace them with good drives. Yes. MR. —. And you put the two new drives in? Drives in. Yes. So, what is it that the FBI pulled? WR. WJ: | They pulled all the So, you were rebuilding it. And when you rebuilt it, they came in and they just_pulled them all out? WR. a. Yeah. They would pull them all. WR. QM: So, it was never able to rebuild? MR. : Yes. MR. : All right. So, they pulled all the drives. And so, when they said the DVR. Is that different from -? WR. MJ: Yeah. The DVR because they pulled everything from DVR-1, and that was the one that wasn’t working. And then, DVR-2, Yes. 103 MR. : So, as far as DVR-2 being the bad drive, is the DVR, is that the 16 drives, or is there a separate box -- WR. QM: No. It's the 16 drives, and then, you have, like, the brain, some motherboard, you know, the other computer on the bottom, but - YR. EM: So, when you say, when they say that the FBI agent was the one who pulled out the DVR, you’re talking about all 16 WR. MJ: 11 the, they probably pulled the -- MR. : -+ drives and motherboard. WR. MJ: | -- they probably pulled -. Yeah. They probably took all of the recordings. But they had it take -. When I'm talking about that the next day, because we already had the new set, when all this happened, SigNet came the next day, and we had the new system up and running. Everything was in boxes. So, he had to just come in and install it. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 102 the one that was working, the next day, I had to get all the - well, the same day - I could get all the important parts of the prison on DVR-1, that wasn't working, on DVR-2, which I probably should have done the day before, but - WR. QM: So, it’s DVR-2 that we're speaking about. Correct? MR. Yes. That was the good drive. WR. MM: 0h, dvR-2 was the good drive? MR. : So, DVR. MR. [M: And what does this say? DVR. DVR-2 is the good drive. DVR-1 is the bad drive. MR. : Okay. Yes. But DVR-1 wasn’t. Okay. So, DVR-1 -- MR. : That’s not - no - that’s not what you said before. all good. You said DVR-1 was DVR-2 went bad. Yes. . Okay. So, DVR-2 was the bad drive. 104 Okay. So -- : So, the next day, the FBI took both drives, DVR-1 and 2. MR. a: So, on the 11th, the FBI came and just took it all? They took it all. Everything? Everything. All right. Okay. So, it says that, also advised that he knew that, by replacing both hard drives, the system Mm-hinmn . would be wiped. MR. : MR. : And that he had advised personnel at MCC of that.” MR. : Yes. MR. : Now, when you say, “Wiped,” it_means just everything -- It means -- -- that was on it before? -- everything is gone. There is no video. There's nothing. WR. QM: | And do you know how far that would have gone back to? MR. =. No. Yes. a Yes. EFTA00064219

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 No? No. So, was that the case, could have we obtained video off of those -? MR. Other drives? Yes, before I started rebuilding. Yes. But that’s what I was told to do. So, that’s what I was (Indiscernible *01:02:17). MR. So, just explain that. What could have we got off of it? And you're talking about DVR-2 now, the bad drive. Right? MR. DVR-1 is the bad drive. MR. So, this is where I'm getting confused. I thought we just said that DVR-2 is the bad drive. I've got to get this straight. , you just - I thought we said, we did say that, but then you just chimed in and said it was DVR-2 that was bad. Which one was it? DVR-1 or 2 that was bad? MR. DVR-1 is bad. MR. In the initial part of the interview, he stated that DVR-2 went bad, and DVR-1 drives were all good. * All right. on the thing, it says -- recording. MR. drives. WR. QM: «So, what video are you talking about when we said we could have obtained video? MR. Oh, well, saying that stuff there is a possibility in the background, even if you have two bad drives that stuff could have been recording over it, but that’s their technical jazz. Like, I don’t know anything about that. MR. Because yeah, All right. Because you had two bad So, in saying that -- MR. But saying that -. MR. -- it sounds like, okay, it is possible that we could have gotten video 10th. . WR. MM: Yes. It is a possibility. Not a strong possibility, but yeah. MR. —. So, it is possible, but once the two drives -- Video. -- for August 9th and PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 106 MR. MM: Yeah, because everything was on DVR-2. MR. -- "He attempted to replace the drives, and he started to rebuild. During the rebuild process of the drives, the drives were required to be taken out of raid on DVR-2." MR. WJ: Yeah. I would say on DvR- 2. I'm sorry. I got confused. MR. a. All right. the bad drive -- MR. MR. the bad drive -- MR. MR. obtained? WR. MM: Yes, before I started doing anything. Yes. MR. a. So, prior to you pulling them out, we may have been able to obtain video from the 9th? So, DVR-2 is The bad drive. Yes. All right. So, on DVR-2, Yeah. -- could video have been Hmm. No. August 9th? No. Because it wasn’t Yes. -- were pulled -- Pulled. Yes. That was a -- that possibility Yeah. -- impossible. It was gone. Yes. All right. Now, are you -? When the SIS official told you on the 8th that they weren't able to go back -- MR. MR. To do. -- and review the video - MR. Mm-hinen . MR. -- if something was recording in the background, would you have been - you know, like you were talking about, there is a possibility - would you have been able to tell at that time? MR. No. I wouldn't have been able to tell. That’s something SigNet would have, or some expert, video expert, would have EFTA00064220

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP All right. That’s nothing above me. Ez Was your only course of action to replace those two bad drives? : So, would, regardless, that video have been, at some point, deleted? Yes. And you were -. Who instructed you to actually pull out those bad drives? WR. QJ: «1 would just have to - (Indiscernible *01:04:53) to SigNet, or -. Well, and I told SIS this before, like, if I pulled two drives, there is no video, especially if it was bad. WR. a, Did you talk to anybody on August 10th, prior to pulling them, that there was a possibility that video of the Epstein incident could have been retrieved? MR. : No. MR. : So, you didn't tell anybody that? WR. ME: I'm not saying I didn't 111 going to happen. MR. a. But I thought you just said that_that's something you found out later. WR. QM: Later. But no, as far as there being video on the background. As far as -- : == me ‘pulling out the drives, 1 already knew that before because that’s what happened the last time, when I replaced two drives, that there was no old video. It was just the new video. =. So, on the 10th, your understanding, that there was no video from the 9th -- : _Or the 10th. -- or 10th. Yes. That was my esta ol So, therefore, yeah, and at that time, you didn't know that there was a _ = abe preed -- If things were recording PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 110 tell anybody that, but that was -. I think that's something I found out later. Because that's when SigNet was talking to me. But that's not something I would have known before Epstein. All right. . Because that was something we talked about, like, the days after that happened. WR. ME: | Because this 302 says, “BRB advised that an FBI agent was the one who pulled out the DVR. — also advised that he knew that, by replacing both hard drives, the system would be wiped, and that he had advised personnel at MCC of that.” MR. —. Mm-hmm. There would be no When did you do that? Before I started doing anything, If I'm going to change drives, you're going to know, like, it’s -. Because I know this was going to be bigger than just me fixing the recorders. Like, there is other things that are going to happen, but I'm going to tell you, hey, if I do this, this is what's . a: background. MR. : == in the background. MR. : Yes. MR. : And once the DVR, that the two drives were pulled, that possibility became -- MR. : Became an impossibility. MR. : -+ an impossibility. MR. : Yes. MR. : Okay. Before we move on from that, did anybody want to clarify any of that? MR. : Yeah. -- going in the Go ahead. -- technically, when you pull a drive -- MR. : Mm-hmm : -- like, what happens? It might be a technical question. MR. : Yeah. Like, how does everything wipe? Is that -? EFTA00064221

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RR SD ee ee od Se wWwNr Ow CO nm w RR SwWOHNDN FWwrNP PRR RP RRP RR COND WMH a a ee ond We wWwrr Ow 113 MR. QM: 0h, well, it’s, like, looking for ones and zeros, and if nothing is lined up, from what the SigNet explained to me, if one drive being bad is not really a problem, because the other drives are going to -. It’s the redundant. So, it’s the backup, it’s going to take over for that drive that’s not working. + Okay. MR. But now, since this drive is not working, and this one that’s working is taking, any drive is taking over for this drive, and that drive goes bad, that means we have two bad drives. That means nothing is going to be recording. So, they work in conjunction - Yeah. -- with the other one? : Yeah. But the death of -- The redundant. -- the death of one -- (Indiscernible *01:07:27). -- is (Indiscernible *01:07:25). Gotcha. had to replace the drives -- . : Mm-hnm. . : -+ when did you obtain the new drives? MR. It had to be some time during that day or the next day. I probably was looking for drives, because if I -- Because you said -- -- if I knew -- MR. : == you got them, and you got them from the CSM? MR. Yeah. MR. Okay. And you just don't know if that, you got them from CSM on the 8th or the 9th? WR. QJ: The 9th. Yeah. I know I got some drives from him before because we've gotten, I've gotten old drives from him before. And I know we’ve ordered drives. I'm not too sure if I ordered a whole bunch of drives to just replace all 16, or whatever, how many are in the raid. But we were, that was going to be the next step, to just rebuild everything. MR. a. Now, if it was your project, and you are the camera guy, why did he =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe RR ae ee RR i) MRRP RRR RRR POoOwCmBADH ew mmr =e Wh 25 114 MR. QM: And then, when they both die, you're done. Gotcha. And there's no way to recover anything? MR. a. Well, at the time, they told me no, and then they said, well, there is a possibility that it could have been recording : Yeah. MR. -- in the background, after the fact. Okay. MR. But that was something more technical than my understanding, because of the time, if something goes bad, just, you know, take the drives out, put it in. And then, this became a bigger thing. So now, we're, like, well, there was still kind of a possibility that more things would have been happening. From my understanding. That’s what SigNet told me. Okay. MR. : All right. And then, for clarity purposes, when - again, on the 8th, you found out that this was an issue, and that you 116 have the drives and not you? MR. Because he has all the hard drives in the building. Like, me having the hard drives is not part of my job description. But -- MR. : All right. So -- MR. : -+ I could have them, but he’s got more, like, readily available ones. And everything that I had was from the old stuff that_wasn't working from before. MR. : Okay. MR. So, if I pulled something from that, something that wasn’t working before, I don’t know if it was bad. That's why it's on the shelf. Because nothing was labeled bad. It was just on the shelf. That's, it was a mess, that whole area was a mess. MR. Okay. Where was his equipment_stored? . Oh, the CSM? Yes. His is in the server room. Is that within the SIS, WR. QM; «No. That's downstairs, in EFTA00064222

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 117 the first floor. wR. QM: Okay. So, the server room is in the computer server room? MR. : Yes. Yeah. MR. : Nothing to do with the cameras? No. All right. have had to have gone to him -- Gone up to him -- -- within the -? -- with the, yeah, at the time, Tike, hey, , you got some drives? I don't have any drives. WR. a. Okay. So, what -? Can you just explain what steps it is? You found out on the 8th. What steps did you take in order to resolve this issue? Do you know if you -? Did you call SigNet on the 8th, or did you call them on the 10th? Because the way that this -. The way that this reads, just look at these comments. It says this comment was made on the 8th, at 3:38 p.m. -- Mm-hmmn . -- and where it says, “Hi 119 instructions that I'm looking at, though, on this comment from August 8th, 2019, at 3:38 p.m? WR. QM: Yeah. It looks like that’s right. When I - that’s where I do the rebuild, probably. Those are probably the instructions to do the rebuild. Yeah. For two drives. And_do you understand who it’s - when it says, “Hi Unable to locate anything official.” - do you know who it is that is talking there? It could be I HM, Hey. Can I -- That was J. -- can I clarify that? Because I didn't -. We know that that comment right there is by ji (Phonetic Sp. *01:11:18). He's a Qognify support engineer Okay. . And ‘el instructions that he provided to give you. wR. SE: Okay. So, you would 118 1 PBB. Unable to locate anything official -- Mm-hme . -- the basic steps are as Set the raid level -- Uh-huh. . -- it none and save. It will -." So, what is going on here? What are these instructions? This is supposed to be specific to this incident. Mm-hmm . . Do you follow what's going on there? MR. MM: Yeah. 0h, so, I called them on Thursday. And I probably started to rebuild on Friday. But I couldn't do the rebuild on Friday. MR. a. So, you called them on Thursday? What, to obtain the instructions? MR. : I already knew what I had to do. I always just call them to make sure I'm . everything right. All right. So, on Thurs U —_ them. — Mn-hmm And are these MR. : Okay. MR. : All right. And do you know when you would have received those instructions? Would it have been on the 8th? MR. | | Yes. MR. : Okay. 120 And you’re saying, the reason why you didn't do it on the 8th is Decause -- drives -- I didn't have the drives. -- you didn't have the Uh-huh. -- to do it? Yeah. All right. So then, on The drives. -- the drives? Yes. But you got them later in Late. -- js what you’re saying? Yes. And I didn't have access to go in the room. EFTA00064223

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 121 WR. GR: And MJ told you that you Can't go in there. -- couldn’t be in there? Yes. And do you specifically being the one who said you can't come in here? WR. QM: Well, he’s just, like, if I'm gone for the day, there was nobody else there. He was the only one with the key. WR. MMM: So, again, if we speak to him, is he going to say, yeah, I told him he can't come_in? wR. MMM: Yeah. Yeah. He knows I can't come in. Because it’s the evidence room, too. So, yeah. wR. a. Yeah. We talked to SIS HM about that. She said there was not an evidence room in there. WR. QJ: It's stil) an evidence room rane now. If you go there. Mm-hmm That’s where I -- Well, maybe now, but what 123 out. There should not be anything else mixed with the room. Okay. And up to this day, there is still evidence and garbage in that room. MR. : Okay. MR. : So, it is not a video room. a you just look on the work until? _ Hold on. Did you say 7:00 to -- “On the 9th. Bear with me. Kine. A this falls under either 7:00 to 3:00, or 8:00 to 4:00. Okay. So, it was later than me staying for -. And you could just check my overtime, too, to see what time I stayed. if I did overtime that day. WR. QM: 1] right. But point being, is you didn't go in and fix them on that day? MR. i. No. MR. : All right. 9th, wet time —, So, So, when you PRR RR SwWwKNrPOCOW OHMS fWwNP RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 122 is it on the 9th? wR. QM. -- it’s always been the evidence room. Because she said, yeah -- It's not going to be -- -- she said there were files, fn there, but there’s no evidence. "R. MMM: Yeah. Every contraband they get from inmates, that’s where they store everything. MR. : In that area? MR. : In that area. MR. : Where the -? MR. : Yes. And if you go there MR. QM: | where (Indiscernible *01:12:28). WR. GM: -- right now, there's still, there’s junk in there. It’s not just a video room. That’s the biggest problem that I had with this whole thing, was that at other institutions, when you have a video room, you just have a video room. There is nothing else in there. There’s just the com techs. You go in, you do whatever you got to do, you come 124 say you didn't have access to the room, you are saying you didn't have access to the room after Yes. Yes. And you -- Or whatever time. : == because usually -- Yeah. -- your shift was from 6:00 -- : == 2:00 p.m. -- 2:00 -- Correct? : == yeah, but I was doing a So, I don't know what overtime. I So, I was working project. was probably doing overtime. maybe 12 hours, 16 hours. VR. QM. And this is just one of those things we're going to have really reconcile here, because -- Mm-hmm . -- of the, you know, this is such. a big part of this thing -- MR. a. Mm=hinm EFTA00064224

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 125 WR. MM: -- that we don’t have a video. Why didn’t you, from 6:00 to 2:00, fix this thing? MR. : Because I was doing other things. This wasn’t -. This was a priority, but, and the fact, like I said, this was not, like, the main priority in the building. 0h, the recorders aren't working? Okay. Well, all right, it’s not, like, oh, not, this is what you have to make. Now, after Epstein, like, oh, this is the main thing you have to focus on for the day. MR. a. Okay. So, you didn't get to it until after you took care of a bunch of - Other stuff. -- other stuff. Yes. And by the time you got to it, at the end of your shift, basically, it sounds like? MR. : Yes. MR. : That there wasn’t enough time to do it? WR. ME: | (indiscernible *01:14:30). 127 happened, like, you know, if I pulled these, there's going to be no video at all. WR. =. And is this the conversation you had directly with the captain? MR. — No. This would have been the warden, or SIS. I really didn't see the captain that day. I don’t remember seeing the captain or talkin to the captain. Was this a big -- I would just -- -- sorry. -- that day -- -- this was a big conversation. MR. : == yeah, when -- MR. : Yeah. MR. : == everybody was asking me questions. It was mainly SIS and the warden I was dealing with. I wasn’t really dealing with anybody else. WR. QJ: But you don’t recall exactly who you told, hey, I'm about to pull the drives, but everything will be wiped? MR. : I'm not too sure. But either the SIS or the warden. I'm pretty sure PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 126 Yeah. Yeah. r. a: access between -- But you could have gained 6:00. -- at least when he was working there, 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. : Yes. But you just didn't? No. Okay. When you -- I have a few questions. -- yup. Go ahead. I have a question. I know you night have actually answered this question, but just I, I probably didn't hear it. But you said that you spoke to MCC personnel about the date of (Indiscernible *01:14:57). Who specifically did you speak to? MR. a: It would be somebody in SIS. ". a: where? MR. MM: Or I'm pretty sure I told the warden, too, because this was a big deal. That on the, on that Saturday, when everything 128 It would be somebody of that. MR. MB: But again, he explained - And do you -. . -- that it was his understanding that there was nothing on there, anyway. He didn't find out until later that there could have been some background. MR. QJ: Okay. And then, the final question is, when the FBI agent that came in, do you remember who that FBI agent was that you spoke to? ‘. No. Okay. Okay. And you told him specifically that, hey, listen, I pulled two drives -- MR. : Two drives. Yeah. MR. : -- and it’s in the process of being rebuilt? MR. : Yes. MR. : And you advised him that, if they pulled the drives, at that point. I don’t remember his EFTA00064225

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 129 WR. QM: That they were going to be - yes. And I was on the phone with SigNet when this was going on. So, I could tell them exactly what _was going on. MR. a. Well, let me clarify that, then, because you said that you pulled the two drives, and that would have wiped the system, but you said the FBI came in and just took everything. : Yeah, they took -- : So -- -- took everything. Yes. -- $0, they didn't pull Drives. They pulled it all? All. Yes. You said the -. They Yes. : == DVR-2 on the 10th -- Well, all the -- -- and they came back on the th, took the rest -- The rest of it. 131 verified that by reviewing, going back and reviewing old footage, to see that the cameras Yes. were working. . : And are you sure that you did that? Because according to the FBI, based on their analysis, it looks like there was a catastrophic disc failures, and there is nowhere, recordings in there since 7/29 anyway. MR. — I'm going to read you Okay. what this says. MR. : MR. : It says, “On,” it looks like it would have been in September 18th, 2019, “A meeting was conducted with DVR vendor, technical support representative, , of SigNet Technologies. provided an overview of the operation of the system. A review of the DVR-2 controller logs b and Senior Advisor, , “indicated that there had been catastrophic disc failures in the array, and no recordings would have been available after 7/29/2019.” ra: ” So, on the -- PRR RR SwWwKNrPOCOW OHMS fWwNP RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP -- of it. Yes. Is that correct? Yes. So, does that help ‘Yeah. Now, the last part to this, I emailed you guys a snippet. Based on the FBI's analysis, it looks like, they indicated that there was a catastrophic disc failures in their raid. And no reportings would have been available after 7/29. Mm-hinen . . You mentioned earlier in the interview that there was a motherboard failure. wR. : Yes. But that happened around “That” s what you initially mentioned. WR. MJ: «I have -. If that's what I said, then yes. But -. MR. ee. So, and you said the only way you could have corrected that situation would have been that, you went in, and you 132 It says, a -- -- (Indiscernible That was another July. , Go ahead. -- and Computer , “were provided access to the beginning sectors of the 16 drives, to see if the structure would Scientist, indicate clues of a possible rebuild. None were apparent.” So, what it is saying is that, and you could read the specific language, this would be, like, but what it is saying is that - . i Yeah. . : == on the 29th, nothing - Had been recorded. -- had recorded. Yes. Prior to that, it sounded like you were, like, there is no possible that that could have happened. I would have known. MR. + Mm-hmm MR. : So -- EFTA00064226

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 141 WR. GM: «Is this what you're talking about? Is this February 20 -- MR. : Yes. MR. : -- 28th, would that have been when the drives went bad last time? wR. QM. The last time. Yes. And it probably went bad a time before that, also. MR. a. But on this date, is that when you said that you had previously ordered the new drives -- MR. : Yeah. MR. : -- based upn -- MR. : No. This would have been ra: *01:24:23). WR. QM: -- it would have been a little bit later on, I ordered the drives. It would have been before all of this happened, that I ordered -. WR. QM: «But point being, is you told us that the reason why you ordered them is because that it had gone bad in the past -- MR. > Mm=-hme. -- and they told you it 143 So we know what it is -- (Indiscernible . a: that we're talking about, for the future. Mm-hmen . I mean, the date is -- Mm-hmnm -- again, September 29th, And I'm making sure, making sure we have 2021. those. Let me see what else. All right. So, when you realized that you could not resolve the recording issue on August 8th, 2019, did you notify anyone that you needed more time? MR. : No. MR. : No. And why didn't you? So, if the SIS told you, hey, we need this fixed, why didn't you notify him that it -- in. dl past MR. : == could (Indiscernible *01:26:14). —_ -- practice, so just go home , . It’s not that important. You will come back tomorrow, and deal with it tomorrow. WR. MM: | That was past practice. But not -- wR. BR: Yes. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP would go bad -- Bad again. -- again in the future. Yes. Is this the last event that, when they went bad? And the reason why they would have told you that information. MR. MJ: If that's when I called them. That probably would have been the last Okay. Yeah. So, earlier that year. Yeah. : Okay. So, approximately six months before. Okay. And that’s why you would have ordered the new drives, though, and had them on hand? MR. : Yes. MR. : Okay. Just before we - Can you just initial and date these before we continue moving on? I just -. Wait. We have -. As you know, we have everyone initial and date these things. MR. a. Mm-hmm . a: occur on Mm-hinen . August 8th. ; 4 -- your experience had taught you that you could fix it the next day? MR. a The next day. Just come in the next da MR. : Okay. But no one actually told you to come in the next day? . : Hmm-mm. No. : Okay. Was it your understanding about how important it was that the camera issue was resolved before you went home? ”. a: institution? No. MR. : No? MR. : It was never made clear to me, like, this was important. Because this happened, like I said, numerous times before. Okay. Yes. So, when SIS WME says that it was her understanding that she told you that it was not only important, 144 -- that didn't actually That was just your -- Pfft. At that EFTA00064229

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RPRRR Oona MmMNrnNrnrry WN r Oo nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 145 but it had to be fixed on the 8th, you -- Yeah, because -- -- (Indiscernible *01:26: 56). MR. : -- if this happened before and I was fixing stuff, it wasn't like I fixed it that day, and it works that day. It takes a couple of days. It’s not going to -. And me magically (Indiscernible *01:27:04) my fingers. Like, I go in the room and I just fix it, and it starts recording. That's not the case. MR. —. All right. Would have you, then, told her, though, I will get on it immediate] Yeah. : == but in your mind, you knew it “would take a few days, but she didn't know that? Would that be a possible scenario to that? WR. MM: | That's a possibility. They might not know how long it would take me to fix stuff. WR. QM: | Did you tel] them how long it would take? WR. ME: They just would see me spoke with the Captain and wrote a memo regarding cameras not working. told her the issue must be resolved ASAP. She relayed that to , and agreed to work overtime to resolve that.” Does that -? The same day? Well, she said that she thought it was going to be resolved the same day, but she said that you agreed to work overtime. So, it sounds like there was some miscommunication -- WR. MM: Miscommunication. Yeah. It was a miscommunication. They already knew I was working on the project. I was going to be there. MR. a. So, were you already - And you said you were already working overtime, Yes. On other things. On things. Yes. And you had TDY people -- People with me. -- with you? Yes. So, does it sound to you PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 146 back there working. They wouldn’t really know how intense, or what I was doing. WR. MM: 11 right. have said, make sure -- Mm-hmm . -- you fix this -- Fix this. : == and you would have -- And I -- -- started -- -- fixing it -- -- working on it -- -- yeah, but it wouldn't have been fixed that day. No. WR. QM: Gotcha. And what instructions did you receive from , SE, or regarding the cameras, the camera issue being resolved ASAP? MR. MM: I can't recall, but I don’t really ever believe anybody tells me anything. (Indiscernible *01:27:53) resolved ASAP. With the recordings. I've never -. MR. GY: Hmm. «Okay. So, what we have is, it says, you know, | | 148 that she did tell you that it needed to be resolved ASAP. You did say, I'll] work overtime to fix it. But you just weren’t meaning that you were going to fix it that same day? Hmm. No. That -- Is it -- -- yeah. I won't. -- js that correct, the So, she would way I said that? WR. QM: It wouldn't have been fixed that same day. So -- MR. : MR. : That's what I mean. -- yeah. (Indiscernible *01:29:05). It wouldn’t have -. There is no way it would have been fixed that same day. MR. MMM: So, she would have understood you're staying that same day, overtime, to fix it. MR. MM: But 1, how would I stay if I don’t have access to the room? That's my question. MR. MB: Well, she said that she spoke with you in the room. MR. a: In the room. Yeah. But after she leaves, after they leave, I don’t EFTA00064230

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 149 have access to the room. So, how could I stay in the room when I don’t have access to it? WR. WM: Right. And then, the following day, when you did come back, and you did have access, you actually just didn't go until the very end -- End of the day. -- of the day. Yes. And then, you no longer had access. MR. : Access. Yes. MR. : And then, you said you were going to go back on Saturday, in the . Morning. I had, because I had the drives. I got the drives from the Because I remember carrying the drives to the room. WR. QM: AN] right. And did you agree to work overtime on August 8th, 2019, to resolve the issue before you went home on August 8th, 2019? YR. MMMM: No. No. Somebody would have had to -. My supervisor would have had to All right. So -- Like, I work for MM, but but so -- Mn-hnm, -- HBB was out, and this something we discussed in our last interview. Mm-hmen . He wasn’t there. Yeah, there. And here is an out of office assistant that we have from you. You sent an email on Friday, August 9th, 2019, at 6:51 a.m. MR. | OF Mm-hmmn WR. : To MMM. It says, will be out,” and his automatic response -- MR. : Mm-hnm. MR. : -- was, “I will be out of the office on Monday, August 5th through Friday, August 9th.” MR. : MR. : “"T Mm-hmm “I will have limited =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 150 tell me, whoever was in charge, would hey, like, , this is, you need to stay and, you know, I couldn’t just, like, I'm going to stay. Like, no Okay. MR. |g Somebody's got to say, well, you have to stay, or we have to, you know, talk about what’s going on with me staying. MR. ME: Well, she told, well, she said that she was with fi MB, and her, and they said you got to stay to work overtime. MR. a. Pfft. That’s the -. She’s not_my supervisor. So, that -- . : Right. : == doesn't work. It’s whoever is in charge of main facilities, and J is my, like, supervisor, but there is So, who would have -- -- before her. -- been your supervisor? It would have been the general “foreman of facility managers, whoever is assigned, and they would have had to say, 152 hone and email access. Acting for me is Ms. eT on Monday 8/5, and Tuesday 8/6." MR. + Mm-hmm.. MR. : “She will be reached at,” and then, The number. -- the number. Mm-hmm . : “And/or via radio track Wednesday through Friday, Mr. J will be Acting, and he will be reached four. Track four. -- the phone number. Yeah. Or track four radio. So, would have you, so, the last time we spoke, you were certain that you requested overtime on that Saturday -- MR. : MR. ; approved it. MR. : Approved it. Yeah. MR. : Is that still your recollection? Because now it sounds like you Yeah. -- and that your boss EFTA00064231

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 157 on there? wR. QJ. «It should have been on there. Yes. It should have been on there. WR. QM: So, being that it wasn’t on there, does that make you re-think, huh, maybe I didn't even work on it on the 9th, or try to work on it on the 9th? WR. QR: «I did work on it, if that’s what I said before. MR. : Okay. But yeah. Because they were writing that, it sounds, like, based upon a conversation with you on the 9th, they don’t know that you don’t have access to do them on the 9th. That's what they're writing, based upon what you told them. . > Mm-hme. : Like, oh, yeah, I'm doing it today because on the 9th, I couldn’t gain access -- Yes. -- to the room. Mm-hmmn . So, looking at this, and 159 the stuff that I fixed during that week, or stuff I was looking at. MR. : Okay. MR. : Mm-hmm. MR. : Just, but the reason why the camera issue isn't on there is why? WR. MM: It's a recurring thing. it’s not something -. Like -- MR. : Okay. MR. : -- after I fixed it, that’s where I would give them the stuff I worked on. It's not if I'm working on, this is the stuff, like, I’ve been working on for (Indiscernible *01:34:52). This is the stuff that it’s pending, or has to get done. Because those are work orders. WR. QM: §=So, from your understanding, the camera issue wouldn't be listed on this? Like, It wouldn't be listed on MR. : And you wouldn’t have notified that the cameras were down, and not recording? MR. a. Mmm, no. That would have PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 158 what you were working, it looks like you sent them an email of what you were working on that day. And now that you’re seeing what you were working on that day, and the fact that the cameras weren't listed on there, were you actually working on it on the 9th? . : Yes. : And you are positive you went on “the 9th and tried to gain access -- Because I had -- -- to that room? -- and I had to get the I did get the drives from WR. QM: Okay. But you are positive you actually tried to access that room, and told you -? MR. : After I leave, that’s it, you can't stay. MR. PF All right. And that’s your positive about, on the 9th, even though it’s not listed on your to-do list, on the 8th MR. MJ: Yeah, because that was probably something in -. This is probably all 160 Like, I'm drives from been up to whoever was in charge. not -. I'm just the guy that fixes stuff. MR. —. Oh, I thought you said This is your supervisor -- Direct supervisor. -- direct supervisor. Yeah. I thought you said you you tell -. Supervisor. -- supervisor. Yeah. But you didn't? No. . So, this is just the things we need to reconcile. MR. : Reconcile. Okay. MR. : Is this something that you should have told him? MR. : If he wasn’t in charge, then : didn't tell him. No. R. ME: Well, you didn't tell = We know that. But he is still your - you said that he is not my real boss. WR. QM: Yeah. I can't tell -- EFTA00064233

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 161 but i -- MR. : MR. : -- and I can't tell _him i cameras, anyway. So, if it was , and WB and a, that's what probably the only people that would know about the camera situation. So, from the 8th? From the 8th. Yes. And -. Okay. So, from looking at this, though, you don’t see anything wrong with not telling him that, when you're talking about your to-do list? MR. —. Hmm. He's not in the institution. That’s, like, yeah. WR. QM: «Okay. So, the camera, the camera issue should not have been listed on =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR COND Hmm. And when we go back -- This is -- -- to BM, or talk to -- this is -- -- will they say the same ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe 163 . > Mm=-hme. :_In retrospect, should have you notified that the camera issues weren't working? The cameras weren’t recording. wR. GM: The thing about that, if you're not in the building, and there is an AW, and an SIS told me the cameras are not working, like, why should I call you at home to tell you the cameras aren't working? MR. : Yeah, yeah. MR. : It’s not -. the building. MR. : Okay. MR. : So. MR. : So, is it your understanding that, after J left, there was no way for you to access that room? WR. a. I would have to break glass, and write a memo, and all this other stuff. So, why I have to stay in the room? And it’s the evidence room. So, I can't really just willy-nilly go in there by myself where I shouldn’t be, you know? MR. a. Okay. Re CWO HM fWwrNP You're not in And how serious it 162 WR. QR: -- this is everything that I’ve closed out_over the -- MR. WM: 0h, these are your close outs? ve. a: that I’ve done. Yes. All right. For the week. -- and that’s why there's -- yeah, this is stuff So -- (Indiscernible *01:36:10). -- there’s nothing, other than your things. 8 7 No. : So, this is the things that i ve completed? ‘—_ Completed. Yes. These aren't things that you’ ; — on. of tat Yes. . a. Perfect. you snicial and date that? Working on. No. Okay. And you are sure Can All right. 164 is if you have to break the glass, to obtain those keys? MR. :_I just have to write a memo and tell the why I would have to stay behind. But I was coming back the next day. So, and I was probably working overtime all week. And it was just time for me to go. Okay. I’ve been doing some long Okay. So, because you had worked the hours, you made it, you made that decision based upon your own experience that I'm going to work it on the next day, I'm not going to fix it today? MR. : Mm-hmm. Yeah. MR. : So, you -- MR. : And the past practice of just deal with it tomorrow. But I’ve been told by my other supervisors, hey, just deal with it tomorrow. WR. I: Okay. in this situation -- MR. : No. MR. : == you made that But you weren’t told, EFTA00064234

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RR rPFCowW OND SwhN re RPRRR Ww = Wh RR SD 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 RR SwWOHNDN FWwrNP RPRRPR RRR SD SwWwNPe ee oe od eS WwrN Pr CO wc nm wm 165 independent decision on your own, though. Correct? MR. Yes. From what I’ve been experienced from before. Yes. MR. Okay. But you could have broken the glass, wrote a memo, and stayed to Yes. a. Okay. And you did not ask the captain, and any AWs, or the warden if you could come back the following day to fix it? WR. QJ: 1 was already coming back for overtime. So. MR. Right. Point being is to notify them, hey, these cameras, the recordings are stil] down? WR. QJ: «The recordings were down months at_a time. I'm sorry. Like -- MR. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Tell us more about that. -- you -. So, there were -- I'm sorry. -- there were -- . : Well then -- . : This happened before. MR. : -- well then, tell us. So, here. Open, open discussion. Tell us exactly what was going on with these recordings, and when they weren't working. yR. MMMM: Well, when I fist got to the institution, that’s why I started a project. I would look for video, and they would tell me there is a problem, and I'm, like, oh, you can't keep running the institution like this. If there is no video, you have to fix the system. You have to get the updates. I've called SigNet about the problem. And I informed everybody, hey, this is a problem. You can't have a jail where you can't find video whenever you need video. Or the recorder is always failing. I was in (Indiscernible *01:39:08) for a your and a jail. I don’t remember, maybe a couple times where something - as far as video, pulling back video, you would always find a video. There was never a time where you couldn’t find a video. Maybe some cameras weren't working, but as far as pulling back RR ROW OHM fwrKP —— wr RPRRR oN Du MmNmenNrre rmrROow mre re WW = Ww RR ae ee RPRRR Ww Wr MRRP RRR Pow OAS Mmmenmrn Ww Wr 166 -- I'm sorry. MR. : == no, no, no. to know this stuff. So -- MR. I'm sorry. MR. -- this is -- MR. : Like, this is not, like, everybody -. It looks like I'm the fault guy, or, like, something isn't working, like, you keep asking me the same question. The thing about these cameras, these cameras weren’t working for, like, weeks at a time. Like, this hasn't been the first time where these recordings weren't working, and nobody checked them. WR. WM: Well, that’s what we need Yes. to know. a. And we didn't -. So, MR. MR. this is the first we're hearing that there was weeks at a time that the -- MR. Yes. Of course -- MR. -- recordings weren't working. MR. We need -- there was weeks at a time. 168 video for a jail, there is no time where you can't find video. And my experience, when I got there, was, like, oh, it’s not a big deal, it's not a big deal. And I'm, like, well, this is a jail, with funding and whatever else problems they had. Nobody considered anything here a priority or an emergency. So, after Epstein, that’s when it was, like, oh, well, now you've got to stay, now you have to do everything. And I've been screaming at the hilltop when I got there. Like, hey, you have a problem, you've got to fix it. That's why I did the money for a project, hey, you need to get new recorders in, you've got to put the -. You've got to upgrades. Like, you haven't done anything at all. Like, you have to spend money. Like, this stuff is old. MR. But tell us specifically about times where there was weeks at a time that the recorders -- MR. Well, not weeks -- MR. -- were down. MR. -- at a time, but I'm just saying, like, if this happened at this time, EFTA00064235

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 169 right, and I replaced the drives the other time, weren't they looking for video, and another time they couldn’t find video, and I fixed it, and then, they were, like, oh, well, everything is fine now. And then, a month later, or two months later, we have the same problem again. Oh, can't find video. They were just concerned about video they could find for that specific time. They were never concerned about finding a video for the whole time. WR. WM: Okay. So, it - from what we have, from our records - it suggests that, in February, was the last time -- . : No. . : == (Indiscernible This happened before. This was the last time? -- yes. Okay. It may -- The last time. -- have happened before February -- 171 what they're saying that, like, you’re saying that it wasn’t a priority for them to install a whole new system, but it did sound like it was a priority, once the recordings went down -- . : Down. Yes. . : -+ that they need to be Fixed. Yeah. They need to be fixed. Yes. MR. Right. So, that’s where I want to make sure we’re clarifying, when you make a statement such as, it would be weeks at a time that there is no recordings. MR. : I'm just not, weeks at a time, but there would be days where there is no video. MR. : get video, there is no video. first time -- -- this happened. Ez And that was what happened, it looks like, back in February -- MR. Yes. Okay. Like, they always try to This isn't the Right. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 170 WR. QJ: Yeah. Yeah. But there was more times where it happened before February. Since I touched down and got to MCC, New York, this was a problem. MR. MM: So, it was a constant reoccurring problem -- . : Yes. . : -- where this was happening? MR. : Yes. MR. And what have you been telling them all along was that we need to fix The problem. -- recurring -- Yes. -- problem. Yes. So, that’s why I had a brand- -new hard drive downstairs. And it Right. wasn't a priority. MR. : MR. : Because you've got other things to worry about. MR. —. But when the -. And correct me if I'm wrong, though. I understand 172 WR. QM: -- it would have been about six_months before -- MR. And this happened -- MR. -- (Indiscernible *01:41:23). WR. MM. -- before then, and it happened a couple times before then -- MR. : Right. MR. : == because that’s when I started -. Whenever I started working at that prison, I probably noticed it within the next, the first three to four months I was there. Like, hey, what’s going on with the recorders? why is there no video? Right. And then, especially when I had to do the time change, because we had to do a time change in October, on the year changes, and I'm, like, why is it taking a whole day and a half for them, for the recordings to start rebuild and change the time on the recordings. It shouldn't take a whole day to do that. MR. : And -- MR. Because you have to stop EFTA00064236

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 173 and start stuff, and it’s, like, well, why is the system so old? Like, what are you guys doing? wR. QM: And did you already have a new system to install at this point? No, I didn't. It wasn’t on there? No. I had to submit a project. I went with the engineering tech -- WR. GR: «No, no, no. Prior to August 10th, 2019 MR. . Yeah. MR. : Did you already have a new system -- Yes. -- at that time? At the time. At the location. Yes. MR. : So, you did have a new system -- MR. : System. MR. : == you just hadn't installed -- Installed it. -- it yet. That’s not you? -- that’s not me. As the camera guy, you wouldn' t have anything to do with it? MR. a. No. That's upper management, and Si -_ i: Or MMI. Like, hey, when is this thing -? But that’s not my call. It’s here. Like, you know, they have to schedule it_and work that out. WR. QM: «So, if it’s on the premises, and you have the new system at the MCC, how long was it actually at the MCC prior to this time? It was a few months. So, the new system -- Yes. -- probably was ordered after the February timeframe. MR. a. No. It was ordered way before then. So, maybe -- It was ordered because it was -. This happened in 2019. The new system MR. | | Yes. MR. : And why didn't you install it, prior? MR. a. Because it wasn’t a priority. MR Like I said before. Okay. But your priority, or whose priority? MR. —. Whoever - Signet - or whoever is on the list for them to install the new, our recorders. MR. : Okay. So, you don't -- They have a list. -- install it? No. I do not install it. Signet would have -- -- technician who will come and install it. Yes. WR. MY: -- and when was SigNet scheduled to install this? MR. : I have no idea. MR. : Whose job would it be to call SigNet and to schedule them to install the new recorders? MR. ME: That's not my -- 176 was here, and the money from 2018. WR. ME: So, you've had this new camera system on hand for almost a year, if not WR. MJ: Not a year, but a few months. Yeah. We had -- So, a few months. -- it for a few months. WR. QM: | And it obviously can't be SigNet’s decision -- Decision. -- to put it in. It's -- Is it? : == no, it’s not SigNet’s. The facility. Who is in charge of the facility? MR. (MM: So, who is the person that was in charge of getting that new camera system installed? Whoever was in charge. : Who? That would be the facility manager. Whoever was -- EFTA00064237

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So, -- well, he just got ‘We were at limbo. There was nobody in . So, there was no one to actually schedule this thing to get -- . Installed. Yeah. -- and -- Nobody to take charge and say, hey, I can't call Signet, hey, I need you to come -. I'm-. What am I? VR. (Who knew that the new camera system was there? wR. MR: I did. that was probably about it. i. a oxay. wR. QM: -- it was too much -. Like, at the time, we didn't have a general foreman or a facility manager. There was nobody that really -. We started a project. =— ROW OHMS fwrNP RR wr I think I did, and Because -- Was that anyone’s —— Wom nu mm nd It was just, like, a whole big mess of confusion. All right. There was really nobody -- MmeMmnNr Ww = Wh implemented. WR. WM: So, 1 know you said, like, oh, it looks like you're saying, well, you know, I'm the fall guy. Well, I'm asking you, who is? Who is the guy that should have made sure that that was fixed? WR. QR: «I'm just the maintainer of the system. MR. : the system. WR. QM: «And I'm not saying that you are the guy. question. Right, right, right. I'm not the installer of Re CWO HM fWwrNP Yeah. I'm asking you the I helped install -- Who -? -- the system. : So - I naintained the system. I fixed the problem when you tell me, hey, , there is a problem. I go check it out. I call SigNet. And we work on the issue. od. 178 MR. MM: | Because (Indiscernible *01:44:12). MR. : =- to say, hey, this is, you know - ”R. I: So, you always say that the cameras are the captain's baby. Would it have been the captain that should have taken responsibility for that, to say, like, hey, get these -- MR. : These cameras -- MR. : == these new cameras -? MR. : == you got the new recorders, hey, get them in. Yeah. But - Yeah. WR. QM: «Because you keep on saying, hey, this has been an ongoing problem. Well, it looks like the problem - the solution was there. MR. : Yes. But nobody -- MR. : But there was never actually -- WR. MM: -- (Indiscernible -- implemented. o. It was never 180 That’s all I ". a: MR. GR: And I'm asking questions. I'm not making accusations. MR. : Accusations. MR. : Not once did I say you're responsible -- That’s it. You're responsible. -- what I'm asking is, who is res onsible? MR. a. It would be probably be the facility manager, or the general foreman, or -, WR. QM: | And because there was no one there -- Yeah. MR. : MR. : -- who, then, would become responsible? MR. —. Well, then it would be the AW. Whoever is in charge. MR. QR: «And who was the AW in charge at_that_time? MR. : BEB, probably. MR. : So, it would be i. not ? EFTA00064238

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181 182 Oh. Oh. She was -. Oh, MR. MM: So, Epstein happened. was there, too. Yeah. You had this -- So, one of the two? : One of the two. Oh, well was. Before them, it was [ll (Phonetic Sp. *01:45:34), because I remember, I had to talk to him about this whole camera And who is [iP He was another AW, before ook over. This is, like, before all this got started, it was -. Back (Indiscernible *01:45:44) manager and [, when I was telling them, hey, you need to upgrade your camera system. MR. Okay. All right. And there was nothing on -. Nothing scheduled to actually get the new system installed? MR. —, No. And from what I know, we weren't on the list to get anything installed. WR. QM: And the reason why you were able to install it, you said on the 11th? WR. QM: | It's because of whatever happened with Epstein. . | og -- with you? MR. : Yeah. Well, I put the rack in, and helped him. Well, he pretty much did everything. But get the rack and the UPS in. MR. | right. And who contacted to make sure he came down? Everything (Indiscernible Yes. So, on the 11th, you were WonnufwnrP able to immediately -- : Immediately. -- install it. Install it no problem. : So then, the day after -- (Indiscernible *01:46:11). =— ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr . -- Epstein’s found, there is a new camera system there? . : There is a new camera Who installed it? It was A and RPRRR COND mre row So, he flew in? Yes. And installed it -- With me. 183 184 because whatever is going on. VR. ME: Now, was HE, was he, did he have knowledge that this camera system was old and needed to be replaced? MR. : Yes. MR. : So, should have he had the -. He should have made this a priority, to make sure that the new camera system was put in WR. QJ: «1 was on the phone with place, since he had been there for, I think, a SigNet after all this happened. I was on the few months? phone the whole time with SigNet. WR. MM: Well, we already started WR. QR: «So, who made the ultimate the project. I don’t think anybody knew the decision to, hey, it’s time now to get this new gravity of the recorders at the time. Like, if system installed? I knew how important the recording was. WR. QM: Probably WH, when he Everybody else, they were just, like, oh, it’s got a hold of what was going on. just, it’s broken again. And I'm, like, well, Okay. So, QM would you know, it’s not just broken again, it shouldn’t_be broken at all. Yeah. MR. WM: Okay. And then, did you . -- been able to make that tell people that? decision? . : Yes. WR. WM: Make that decision. Or . : And who did you tell maybe when I was -. Because I think I, when I was on the phone with IMM, that they were, . : I've talked to my co- like, well, we got to get out there right away, workers, and I've talked to my facility manager mrm wr mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP EFTA00064239

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RR rPFCowW OND SwhN re RPRRR Ww = Wh RR SD 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 RR SwWOHNDN FWwrNP RPRRRR we wre RR SD ae ee od WS Wr rs © Ww oc 185 about the problem. And I even talked to the regional com tech, because we have a regional guy in charge of the cameras, and that work stuff, like, like, this stuff is unacceptable. Like, when I came and, like, the way the building was laid out, and some of the wiring issues in the building, this was just not acceptable. WR. QM: Okay. But I knew, prior to August 10th, how important this was to get this new camera system in? MR. : It was. started the project. Yeah. WR. — And when you say you stared the project, what did you start on the project? WR. QJ: Trying to figure out how we were going to upgrade, like, because not only did the recorder was bad, it was also the housing units, there was only one camera in the housing unit. So, if anything was to happen on the housing unit, you would see no video. MR. : Okay. MR : It would just be a blanket camera footage of the common area. There would 187 That's why we was, if it was on back order, it probably arrived some time in, what, ‘19 versus *18? MR. I am not too sure when it arrived. Okay. So, because -- Can I ask a question? -- yeah. Go ahead. R. SR: «ir. HE, based on your understanding, how important is it that the cameras are recording on a day to day basis? MR. It’s very important. And it should be checked on a day to day basis. And the way, at my last institution, that I was aware that anything wasn’t working, was I would actually get a report from SIS, this camera is bad, that camera is out. This camera is not working. Now, after Epstein happened, they wanted to task me with that job. I refused because I can't be the same person cooking the food, telling you that the cameras are bad, or the food is good. So then, it became up to somebody else to check the cameras. Daily. Now, they check it every day. There is a RR ROW OHMS fwrNP —— wr RPRRR oN Du ee od Wwrerow mr oe RR ae ee RPRRR Ww Wr MRRP RRR Pow OAS Mmmenmrn Ww Wr 186 be no additional video. And you said the new system was purchased with year-ends ‘18 -- -- money? So then, how long was this system sitting around? You said a couple months, but that's more than a (Indiscernible *01:48:37). MR. : A few. It’s a few months. I'm not too sure when everything got ordered, or when it was sitting around. Because even if we ordered it, I think everything was on back order. That's why it didn't come right away, the recorder. The recorder. Yeah. But it was post that February date? MR. MM: Before the -. I'm sorry. Can you repeat that, please? a. Yeah. So, I mean, it was, it 188 report that's sent up. But before Epstein, there was never a daily report of the cameras are recording, or we have an issue. There was never anything set up at MCC, as far as that goes. WR. ME: So, you think before Epstein had happened, no one had a day to day responsibility to make sure the cameras were working? MR. No. MR. Who would have been the next - if no one had the day to day responsibility - who could have checked? MR. =. That would have been SIS's responsibility, because my -- MR. : Okay. MR. : =+ my previous jail, SIS would be the one telling me, hey, , there is a camera out, or there is other issues, because I don’t just work on cameras. I work on all the communications in the building. So, cameras are, yes, that is, like, one my main things, but if there is other issues in the building, like, I can't just focus on cameras. And at the time, I was by myself. I was the EFTA00064240

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 189 only electronics technician in the building for a while. What other types of things do you do? I know you fix the (Indiscernible *01:50:45). WR. MM: Fire alarm. Cameras. Radios. And I install the network. Like, if you need a cat five (Phonetic Sp. *01:50:50) cable, or anything communication lines -- + Mm-hmm. MR. : == in the building. fire alarm for the building. The doors. WR. QM: AN] right. I'm just going to -- 1'11 get MEM back on again. : -- oh, he dropped again? Looks like he dropped. Yeah. Hey. Hey. Can you hear : Yeah. MR. : Yeah. MR. : Hey. reception is going in and out. that. WR. ME: Okay. 191 WR. QJ: I did. Before I got the money approved for the new camera system, I got together with the engineering tech, and I wrote -. I also, I wrote a work order over $10,000, because the camera system as an asset is worth over $10,000. To get that fixed. Because I had that problem, I had also the fire alarm was, I had a problem with that. I had a proble with that. I had a problem with the voicemail system. Everything. When I got to the building, everything was just at a pretty bad state. That wasn’t the only thing that was looked over as, like, oh, we need to get this fixed. The whole building was, as far as communication wise, it was pretty bad. WR. QM: Yeah. But the question I had was, did you write any reports or -- MR. : I-. MR. : == any emails to upper management -- =— ROW OHMS fwrNP The —— wr RPRRR COND mre row I apologize. A call I apologize for mrm wr mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP Yes. -- saying, hey, listen -? Yes. Okay. Do you recall who you sent it to? 190 MR. QJ: Based on the question I was asking, if, you said there was a few instances where the cameras went down, it wasn't working for a few days. MR. — Yes. MR. : How bad do you think that (Indiscernible *01:51:45) is, where the camera is not recording for a few days? MR. a: I think it’s pretty bad when you’re in a prison, and, you know, like, in my experience, because I was custody (Indiscernible *01:51:52) before, like, there has been assaults on inmate on inmate, among our staff, or somebody possibly bringing contraband in the building. And you have no recording to see what was going on. Then you have pretty bad video at that, that it was a priority. MR. : Okay. MR. : Yeah. — fe — All that stuff And based on those instance — ou ever write up any reports -- Yes, I did. -- did you send it to -? 192 — I would have sent it to and he was my first facility manager. _”_ re Can you spell that last I don't So, it would be J No. He spells it weird. All right. So, can that be the fourth request, then? So, we talked about the emails between SigNet -- MR. : And then, my -- MR. : == (Indiscernible *01:53:53), but also -- MR. : -- and then, J MMMM. He's the engineering tech. He's the one that actually wrote up the report to get EFTA00064241

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 193 sent to the regional office, as far as the money for the camera project. wR. QM: 1) right. emails. And any other emails -- = then -- ou_can find. So, those He was also the general forenan when this happened, too. WR. QR: 1] right. So, can you, at least those three people, as well as anybody Mm-hmmn . a. So, all the emails from SigNet, and any, really, emails with regard to Okay. -- the cameras issue -- Camera issue, . -- that you can provide to us. That would be greatly beneficial for us, that we know who was notified, when -- Mm-hmm -- who, you know -- That’s fine. this, and I want you to tell me if it's accurate or not. MR. : Okay. MR. So, it says, 7 “Per regarding, this is still regarding a system failure, “this looks to be an error coming from the video management server. MR. : within the video management system software from SigNet,” Mm-hmen . There is an application called Supervision. This application monitors connection between the main application server, which manages authentication -- . : Authentication. : -+ for users to access live recorded video, and an ability to export video, along with many other customizable features. And system devices, such as DVRs, cameras, video encoders, or video decoders. If this is the case, then this would have been the message from the Supervision application, showing that there was a lost connection to DVR-2." “. a: DVR-2. Right. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 194 MR. MM: | -- what actions should have been taken, and when they should have been Mm-hmm . I just want to real quickly follow up on these things, to make sure what we have is accurate. Specifically, with regard to the FBI report that said, “There was a system failure of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019, and a motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 2019. The hard drive failure occurred on August 10th, 2019." Again, is that information that you provided to them, or did they obtain that —— I think they obtained that thse The would have -- 2 NN. AUT right. -- the exact dates. -- do you know the difference between, like, a system failure, a motherboard failure, and a hard drive failure? MR. | Yes. MR. : All right. So, I'm going to read you what we have obtained regarding 196 MR. QM: | Does that sound accurate to you? MR. Yes. It’s -. Yeah. MR. : So, they would have obtained this information, it sounds like, from that 20 Supervision? Yes. Okay. check that. Correct? MR. : No. MR. : All right. So, do you know what caused that system failure on July -- : No. I have -- -- 29th? -- I have -. No. But you said you were working. on the mother -. Or you were -- MR. : Yeah. MR. : == you were working on the system right around that time? MR. : Yes. MR. : All right. So, likely, it was whenever you were working on the system around July 29th, 2019, that caused the DVR, the recorders to stop recording? And do you But you didn't EFTA00064242

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP 197 MR. QM: «No. I checked everything before I -. WR. QM: Well, we just talked about previously, is that you checked everything when you were working on it, for the time prior -- Prior to me -- -- to when you worked on wR. GJ: -- to me working on it. Yeah. WR. MM: «So, likely, that’s when When the -- -- recorders stopped? -- yeah. . Okay. So, whatever, whatever work you were doing on it, likely stopped the recordings, but no one presented the issue to you until August 8th, 2019? MR. a. Yeah, but I always check everything after I'm done. That's very strange that I -- WR. QM: Well, again, we think you checked it, but it looks like, it sounds like 199 WR. QJ: I'm pretty sure I checked. I'm more than definite. After I fixed it, I would have checked to make sure it was working. MR. Because the information we have is that there is no video from July 29th. : == On. : On. Yes. : So-. And that’s the last time I That’s what it says, right? MR. No, it doesn't. It just says that there was a system failure of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019. MR. : Yeah. MR. : And just from talking with you, it sounded like you knew that there was a system failure, prior to that time, and that’s when you worked on it, and thought you resolved the issue. MR. I probably -. Hmm. Can you - I'm sorry - can you repeat that one more time for me? WR. QM: «We spoke an hour or so =— ROW OHMS fwrNP PRR RRR RR OCOD Sw R mm nd MmeMmnNr Ww = Wh Re CWO HM fWwrNP you checked it for the time -- ; | 5 Yeah. . : == period prior to when ou thought you fixed it. I fixed it. Yeah. : So-. But that doesn't sound Just how I am -- Well, no, no, no, this is I'm ay MR. -- yeah. have checked to make sure, like, a couple days (Indiscernible *01:57:17). Vision looked like it was fine. But there like ne. MR. what you told us. MR. i: So -- MR. : Yes, yes. But I would later, okay, it’s still working. Or -- MR. And do you recall MR. -- because I'm pretty sure I looked at the Nice Vision, and the Nice could have been another problem. But I don’t pull video. Like, I don’t go back to pull video for, I told you, I don’t. MR. a, So, you just don’t recall if you ever went back and checked? Uh-huh. MR. a. -- about how, prior to this issue, you knew about a system failure -- MR. a. Failure. MR. : == and you went in and you fixed -- . Fixed the issue -- -- the issue -- -- yeah. : == or you thought -- That I fixed the issue. : -- you fixed the issue. Okay. So, what this is saying, that there was a system failure on July 29th, 2019. And the information that we have is, there was _no -- Follow ups. : == recordings -- For after that. -- from the 29th -- Yeah. -- so, the 29th on. On. Yes. EFTA00064243

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 201 WR. QM: So, it sounds like you thought you fixed the issue -- R. The issue -- -- but you actually -- didn't. Yeah. So, does that sound Wey fwrP . | OF That sounds right. Yes. . : Okay. And you don’t know} 10 -. Did you know - and I can't recall, at this point - what would have caused it? You said it| 12 was of old age? Because it says, “Per , the situation could have been caused by a power outage, or improper shut down of the DVR.” WR. QJ: =I have no reason to shut it down, and it had an UPS on it. So. WR. WE: So, you don’t think either it would have been a power outage, or improper shut down? wR. QR: «1 think the way everything, the old system was wired up, it probably wasn’t wired up correctly. I would have to say that he is probably right about 203 reason why you found this out is he went into the application, Supervision. MR. : Yeah. I know. Okay. going to read that now. And July 29th, that would have been -. Because we do do our generator test monthly, but I don’t know if it was the 29th of July. WR. QR: Min-hmm. 111 add that as the fifth request, find, provide any information with regard to the system failure *02:00: 23), MR. : -- do they know what time, or they just have the thing? . No. It just says July : All “right. And do you know when - the system failure - do you know when you found out about that, and how? MR. : Hmm. As far as what now? MR. : The system failure was the July 29th issue, not August 9th, or 8th, RR Re I'm Re CWO HM fWwrNP That's - no, the time -- (Indiscernible 202 there being a power issue. MR. : There would be a what? MR. : A power issue. MR. : So, even though you're saying that there was some kind of serge protector type of thing on there -? MR. a: There is a UPS on it. But I don’t think everything was maintained the way it should have been maintained. WR. MM: So, you think it was likely caused by a power, some kind of power outage? MR. GM: «If it was a power outage, that would explain what the problem is. MR. =. But you don’t know anything about it, there a power outage? MR. a. No. I didn't know anything about power outages. MR. =. And you don’t -. Do you remember ever shutting down the DVR system, prior, when you were working on it? MR. —. Hmm. No. Can you find out if there was a generator test on the 20 -. When was -? You said the 29th of July, right? WR. RM: Well, it looks like the 204 9th, or 10th. WR. MJ: 0h. Not until you guys told me there was a system failure. The only thing I knew about was the, oh, that was the -- WR. QM: This is the thing you said you worked on. WR. MM: -- oh. The aus. restart the AMS. Yeah. That was -- MR. : So, you did restart it? MR. : == yeah. MR. : So, you did shut it down? Yeah. I shut it down and That simple. I had to restart it. WR. QM: «So, when it says that it could have been caused by an improper -- Shut down. -- shut down. Yes. Could have that been it, No. Once you restart it, it’s, Tike, it's a pretty small thing, like, restarting the AMS doesn't mess anything up, really. WR. I: Okay. All right. But EFTA00064244

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP you did restart it? wR. GR. Yeah. down. WR. ER: So, technically, it is a , then, because it says you -- After the shut You don’t think that -- Hey, once you do the AMS, that's just the communication thing, like, if - And not everything is talking, that’s when everything would start working. MR. —. Okay. And you said you never would access Supervision. Mm-hmen . We talked about all of 50, it says, this is now issues, “The motherboard failed on DVR-2. Per , in the case of a motherboard failure, this would cause the operating system, such as Windows, to shut down or fail. When this happens, it would stop recording to the hard drive, because the recorder software requires Windows Operating System to be operational, to 207 Or something. But it Because I do remember up. Or failure power was the motherboard. doing that. WR. MM: 01 right. And do you know if this would have been caused by a power outage or_an improper shut down, or anything? Now, this is just something I'm thinking out loud. Being that you told us that you fixed this issue on the 29th, but you also pulled the drives on the 10th, is what it would have deleted at that point, back to the 29th, when you had last worked on the system? MR. : MR. : asking? I-. MR. : Or it just deleted everything? MR. a. I-. I don’t -. I mean, I don’t know. WR. QM: Because you said that, Hmm. Do you follow what I'm PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mre oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP record data to the hard drives.” Mm-hme . “Also, when the notherboard fails, the network connectivity is lost because the network card is dependent on the motherboard to be functioning. And Windows to be running, for the network card driver to be operational. If and when the motherboard failed, this would have caused the network card to shut off, thus triggering the above message of a system failure, of DVR-2. Because it can no longer communicate with the DVR.” Does this sound accurate? Yes. All right. Do you know what caused the motherboard failure? MR. : No. MR. : Do you remember, do you know what_affect it had? MR. GM: «I just remember I did the electronics thing, I just did a smell test, and I knew something on the motherboard burned up. You could smell that. Because I, when I took the motherboard out, you could tell it was a problem. Something on the motherboard burned 208 you pulled the two bad drives, it’s going to I (Indiscernible (Indiscernible *02:03:41). -- recordings. Yes. So, I guess what I'm asking is -- MR. : But there was -- MR. : == wouldn’t that wipe it back to the last time you worked on it? MR. MJ: -- no. It would have wiped out everything before that. Not the last So -- : == time I would have (Indiscernible *02:03:53). MR. MM: -- it would have just wiped it all out? MR. : Yeah. MR. : All right. MR. : So, there was video after EFTA00064245

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209 Because there was video. All right. It looked like it was recording, but it wasn’t recording. MR. : All right. So, if it wipes everything, how -- MR. : How does it -? MR. : -- how would the FBI be able to obtain knowledge that there was no recordings, prior_to -? Because in the more detailed report, MMMM, doesn't it say that there is no recordings prior to July 29th? WR. QM: Bear with me. I'm just pulling up the report. WR. a. Yeah, but the point being, you're not sure? WR. | & As far as -? MR. : As far as the recordings not working, between July 29th, 2019, and August 8th, 2019. MR. MR. I fixed it. No. You know that they R : weren't recording on August 8th. MR. — Yeah, because I had to -- MR. : But you didn't -- 211 system is recoverable by replacing the drive and letting it rebuild. If there were two drives simultaneously failed, then the recorded video data is lost, and unrecoverable due to the raid array needing a new configuration as new drives are added.” Does this sound accurate? MR. : Yes. MR. : Does this sound like what happened? MR. |S That’s -. MR. : Okay. Is really the person to explain this versus you? He’s the expert on this, correct? MR. > Band MM. ves. MR. : They are the two. So -. MR. And then, if you don’t, HMMM knows the engineer, the engineer of -. Those are the guys that would know. MR. : So -- MR. : THB would know somebody WR. QM: -- more so than you? You get your information from them. Correct? MR. Yes. Yes. PRR RR SwWwKNrPOCOW OHMS fWwNP RPRRR COND ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 210 -- check it, yeah. -- know anything prior -- About it. -- to that. Yeah. And the July 29th issue is news to you? MR. : Yes. MR. 4 Okay. into that. WR. MM: It doesn't state clearly if they -. Was anything was retrieved, but prior to 29th, (Indiscernible *02:04:54) FBI. MR. Okay. All right. Now, regarding the hard drive failure. It says, “Per a, if there was a message that stated this is in the Supervision application of the video management system, this would indicate that the failed motherboard had been either recovered, repaired, or replaced, and now functioning because this would allow Windows Operating System to run, allowing the recording to be in operation, and communication to the application management server restored. If there is one hard drive failure, the 212 WR. QR: Okay. So, when they provide us with this information, we can rely on it to be accurate? MR. Well, we'll look Yes. That is accurate. Yes. WR. QM: Okay. And what, do you know what_caused the hard drive failure? MR. No. I just think it’s wear and tear because everything is so old. MR. Okay. But that occurred on August 10th. So, it sounded like the hard drive failure occurred because the two drives - Yes. -- were pulled? Oh. I don't know. Okay. But it says, “Per , this could have been caused by normal wear and tear -- Tear. -- and age of the hard Uh-huh. Yes. Is that accurate? Yes. EFTA00064246

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rR CWO D SWwrNP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 213 WR. MY: And you believe that’s what happened? MR. Yes. MR. : And do you know what affect the hard drive failure had? wR. WM: «1 just know there would be no video, or, you know, the drives would be bad. You_can't take anything off the drives. WR. QM: «Okay. And again, you are the one who replaced the two drives. The FBI just came and took everything. WR. QE: | They took everything. Yes. WR. WM: Okay. A011 right. we covered everything else earlier in the interview. Is there anything else, [IM or , that_we want to cover? WR. WJ: «I've got a couple of Please. follow up questions. dg Mr. BB, the two hard drives that you pulled on August 10th, to replace it, where those two the two drives you had previously replaced, or are those the different ones? 215 replaced on this other date. There's -. can't tell you what was fixed, or when, how it was fixed. There was no maintenance log of what was changed, or repaired. —_ | Okay. And we were told by that, previously, when you had to stay and work in the camera room -- . : Yes. : -- there were situations where that you had to do work in the camera room, and if she or had to leave, she would leave the keys with the captain, and you could continue doing the work -- MR. : Yes. MR. : == in the captain’s room. MR. : That is correct. Yes. MR. : How come, on August 8th, you couldn't do that? There was no captain. There was no captain on August 8th? WR. WJ: No. There was an acting captain. I don’t think there was a captain. There was nobody -- = a, PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 214 Those are new drives. New drives meaning that it wasn't previous! replaced by you? MR. + Mm-hmm MR. : I'm sorry. I didn't hear I'm sorry? . I don’t know if you said yes or no. That's why. I couldn’t hear you. MR. ME: «0h, the two new drives were from the computer services. The drives that I had replaced. MR. a. No, no, no. The question was, do you know the two drives that you said went bad, that you had to replace, right? ° : Yes. . Pf Were those two drives previously replaced by you? MR. =. I have no idea. There is no way of me knowing what was replaced, or there was no system -- . : Okay. : -- in place to see if I wrote down a list, like, one through 16, I replaced on this date, and one through 16, I 216 WR. MM: -- yeah, there was no -. But he wasn’t there. WR. MM: «So, we know, on August 9th, he was there until at least 7:00 p.m. MR. MM: 7:00. Oh. Oh, he's probably not -. He was probably not in his office, then. Because the office is right next to the room. MR. : Yeah. “On August 8th, SIS went right next to him, in his office, and provided him the memo regarding the issue.” On August 9th is when you said that you couldn’t gain access to the room, but we do, in fact, know that was there until at least 7:00 p.m. MR. QJ: The thing about this memo part, that I don’t get it, is that there could have been memos from before, like, that decision make any sense to me. Because this is not the only time the recorder failed. So, to have a memo this one time, when Epstein happens, like, that just doesn't make sense to me. MR. | og Okay. MR. : Is it -- So -- EFTA00064247

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rR CSCwWOmOANDMDS fWwNHP RPRRRR We WN Re RRR CoN DD a de ood SWwWNr Ow nm w RR SCwWOnHtDUN SwWwrP 217 -- and the fact that -- -- sorry. -- there is this memo -- Yeah. -- what do you think that suggests? WR. QM: Somebody is trying to say they did their job where they didn't do their job. WR. WE: So, you think that the memo was, in fact, created on the 10th, instead of the 8th? WR. QM: «1 don’t know when it was created. I'm just saying, people are trying to cover their tracks. To say they were notified, and they told this person, and that person. When I got there, and I was trying to explain to everybody how important most of the systems were, everybody just looked at me like I'm spinning two heads. Like, I'm not telling you -. I'm, like, I came from a compound. There was a medium. There is a high. There is a low. There is a death row. If something doesn't work, it’s a jail, you have to stay. Now, after Epstein happens, everybody wants to Right, right, right. 219 MR. : But I'm pretty sure you guys want_to get it over with yourself. So. . Anything else, No. That's it. No. : ? Nothing from me. Okay. We're going to end this, ae aiils “and I IT ty to get you some information. know ais is not easy {or you guys -- 7 wa -- to go over the same _ Yeah. oe! you want to add? Just send me the Okay. Yeah. Thank you, guys. I things WR. GE: «And we appreciate your cooperation. Thank you. MR. : Yeah. MR. : Itis-. PRR RR SwWwKN PCW OHMS SwMN Pe RPRRR oN Du ee od Wr Ow mrNm oe Re CWO HM fWwrNP 218 do their job. So, that’s the long and short of it. MR. : Okay. MR. : I'm not trying to say that anybody did anything. But I'm just saying, like, now everybody wants to write memos, and have statements, when all this stuff was happening before, is there records of you calling and saying there was a problem? I have records of me saying there was a problem, and I'm trying to fix the problem. And I stayed and fixed the problem. But these other people that are saying stuff, man. . : Yeah. So, in any -- . Py That doesn't make sense to WR. QM: -- any of those records, you can give us, again, that’s going to be greatly appreciated. I'm going to follow up with an email, asking what we talked about, but anything else that you think will be helpful, to help us? WR. WM: Yeah. I just, I'm sorry you guys have to go through this, because I, I mean, I'm still going through it. 220 MR. QJ: 0h, and the job failure. Was that on my part? Like, not doing my job, or not notifying anybody, or what -? MR. a: Well, when we’re talking to people, we're telling everybody the same Thing, yeah. It’s not our decision, ou know -- Mm-hinmn . -- to say -- What -- -- we're going to basically -- wR. MM: -- (Indiscernible *02:11:18). MR. : information -- -- provide the Information. -- to the BOP. Yeah. They determine -- Determine -- -- you know, the actions EFTA00064248

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221 222 WR. QM: | -- oh, he should have said 1 Yeah. this. Yeah. 2 All right. So, if that’s WR. QM: -- you know, and all that] 3 it? kind of stuff -- 4 . : That's it. MR. : But look -- 5 All right. MR. : Imean, we will have our,} 6 That's my last piece. you know -- 7 . : It is currently 10:27 WR. MJ: -- the thing about this 8 a.m. on September 29th, 2021. This is Senior whole thing, I'm just going to add my part, 9 Special Agent ANNI and I'n because I came from another institution. If |10 turning off the recorder. Thank you. there is a problem, and, like, especially the | 11 cameras, somebody should be notified. Okay. 2 I'm the guy that fixes it. Okay. JM, what] 13 are you doing? Have you fixed it? Now, after | 14 Epstein happens, and we've had recorder issues | 15 now, and that was what I sent the email, okay, | 16 I fixed this, I did this, I did that. But 17 before that, it was not happening. 18 MR. : Right. 19 MR. : That’s the only part I 20 want to add. That’s -. Now, everybody covers | 21 their tracks. But before this, sad to say this| 22 had to cause the whole Bureau to wake up. But | 23 -. 24 WR. BR: | Right. 25 223 RR ROW OHM SWwrNP RPRRR Ww = Wh RR SD ee ol od Wwrr CO wc CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of CE, Transcriber EFTA00064249