DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF MICHAEL THOMAS OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL JUNE 17, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: EFTA00063613

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APPEARANC GENERAL WITNESS: MICHAEL THOMAS EFTA00063614

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Ww co Ww attorney FSS Law Offices of ee : Thank you all. DOJ in AS: Michael Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. Mr. Thomas, you are here today as a subject in this -igation include Will you with the DOJ O MR. THO voluntarily provide answers to EFTA00063616

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Employee Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. It says: You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978 as amended. This investigation pertains to your alleged false statements, job performance failure, security failure, and reporting false information. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings or agency proceedings, disciplinary proceedings, or both. And obviously, we have the DPA. Then there’s a waiver section. I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me. Now if you want to take a look or anybody - the attorney or anybody - wants to EFTA00063617

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wo wo take a look. That was read verbatim. But if rt you agree, there is a section that says employee signature. And then you can just print your name. below it. Ee : Thank you, Mr. Thomas, for signing. I am going to sign as the 7] OF signature of the Office of the Inspector General Special Agent. Again, this is | HAS aa 1’ going to print my name. Special Agent a. can you sign as the signature of witness. a : This is Special Agent a. I’m signing as signature of witness. Agent a. can you just fill in the date and i] time and then write in the place. So the date gain, 6/17/2021 and the time is 10:11 a.m. bh i) a) hank you. Okay. And since there’s a union | representative present, I have a form for you as well if you just want to take a look and review that. I’m not going to read that out loud for the record. EFTA00063618

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Ne] Ne] WwW wo ee : So shortly, attorney Po will be dialing in. Alright. So did you understand the OIG form Mr. right hand to tell the truth and nothing but the truth duri this interview? any kind of questions, surely will. Yeah. If you don't, I’1l understand, I will Ee : Perfect. Thank you, sir. Alright. So what’s your current home addres oF) 107) MR. oo EFTA00063620

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wo wo 24 ee : Do you happen to have any kind of ID on you just so we -- MR. THOMAS: Yes. ME: -—cnow we're talk the right person? Okay. I’m looking at a || ng to | auto driver license and the name on it s your highest level of education? MR. THOM Some college. I completed high school. ee : Okay. How much college u have? MR. THOMAS: I couldn’t add to a little bit. Correspondence courses when I was in the that. military and ever there like a course of study that you -? MR. THOMAS: No. No? Just required. Just like basic courses EFTA00063621

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S) N N No Nh wo WwW wo WwW 10 ee : And around when was that? Uh, 2002, 2001. I’m thinking ee : Sure. Was it all from ne institution? MR. THOMAS: It was some online courses were with the MR. Yeah, while I was in the military. It was all done while I was in the military. ee : Perfect. And what did you do prior to working with MR. THC room. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Okay. And how long did you do that? MR. THOMAS: I did that for three months before I got this job here. ee : So it was primarily the military previously? MR. THC Yeah, I got out of th mo , military in '06 and then I started this in ’'0O7. EFTA00063622

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wo Ne] WwW wo Ww i) H Hh o 0 MR. THOM General discharge under honorable conditions. in the Army, what w Great. And when MR Sorry if I answered that but a : No-no-no. Please. I was trying to figure out the word to use. ct. And how long the Federal Bureau of have you Prisons? As of April 1, 14 years. ee : Fourteen years? And what was y date? EFTA00063624

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= Wo 1 ee : Okay. And when did you 2 graduate from BOP training? 3 MR. THOMAS: I don't know the exact date. 4 ee : But you did attend? 5 MR. THOMAS: It’s usually a year of 6 probationary or something like that. Oh, you’re talking about the training at FLETC? t FLETC. Correct. So ty 9 the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. 0 MR. THOMAS: November of ‘07. 11 Okay. And that was for raining? 4 ee : Perfect, sir. And when 5 and where was your first gnment with the 16 BOP? 7 MR. THOMAS: My whole career has been at 9 a : Okay. That makes it 20 And what positions hz you held while 21 you were there? Just briefly. MR. THOMAS: Correctional officer and N nN a N a Nh Nh uw EFTA00063625

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Ne] WwW Ne] WwW wo current email address? Um, August 10th. ee : Okay. And was that in a.m. on both midnight to 8:00 a.m. MR. THC Eee : Then again August 10th Who was your supervisor EFTA00063627

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Nh No N N WwW wo WwW fee} wo ie] Ww just briefly, overall, what training would you did the training down at FLETC. But what training would you conduct while you’re with That I would conduct? ee : Yeah. Like what training i when you were with the were you prov Like annual training -. v Yeah, annual training. MR. THO Annual training that’s usually done sometime - om January to from what I can remember. But that’s annual AART I think it’s called. Ee : Annual Refresher EFTA00063628

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 any other training that they would provide? MR. THOMAS: Um. ee : Like did you ever attend like SHU quarterly training or anything like that? MR. THOMAS: I have when I was off. So yes, I’ve done SHU quarterly training. Yes. ee: Okay. So would you do the annual training every year? MR. THOMAS: Annual training is every year. Yes. ee : And what would be the last time you think you conducted SHU training? SHU quarterly training? MR. THOMAS: I really couldn’t remember. a : No, that’s fine. Alright. We have - this is actually your training records. Do you want to just -? I’m not going to ask you like to certify that these things are you know - it’s just to look at it and say for the most part, does that look like the training that you conducted. It shows from the most recent to -. To the uh, through the past. MR. THOMAS: Are these annual refresher 17 EFTA00063629

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 training courses or -? ee : This is just like your training record. We ask like hey, can we have a BOP employee’s training record. They print something like this out which just shows that like on these dates were the dates that you completed training. So it looks like you completed the last annual refresher training on 4/5, which is - this is the annual refresher training course syllabus. This is the sign-in sheet. So I believe that would be the last time that you conducted your annual refresher training. And like for instance I believe that would be -- MR. THOMAS: Yes. a : -- your name and would that be your signature next to it? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Okay. Great. So just point being, the last time you did conduct annual refresher training in April of 2019. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. ee : Awesome. Any time I provide you something, I’m just going to ask for you to initial and date it just so that 18 EFTA00063630

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 there’s no confusion of what actually was provided to you. And what you actually looked at. And it’s not - not certifying to the accuracy of this. It’s just certifying that this is what I showed you. MR. THOMAS: Any particular place? Ee : Up top would be great. MR. THOMAS: Sign or initial? ee : Just initial and date. So again, it’s 6/17/21. So I’m going to take that this is not supposed to be connected. I’m going to take just your training records out of this because they’ve got a lot of your daily assignments in here and stuff. MR. THOMAS: Okay. a : This was all supposed to be attached to that. So what you’1ll see is just so that we’re on the same page is just all the way from 2007 up to ‘08, ’09, 2019. HE: 800 when you say training, these were actual classes? Ee : It’s just what they have in the BOP system. Every time he conducts a training, they log it in so they can keep a record of what training individuals conducted. 19 EFTA00063631

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ow oO wo 20 MR. THOMAS: Okay. ee : And for this, the main point for this was that again, you did take the annual refresher training in April of 2019. Any questions on that? MR. THOMAS: No. Ee : Any concerns? MR. THOMAS: Nope. ee : Great. Thank you, sir. Can you just kind of go through and find the Daily Schedule? There we go. His roster would be in there. Alright. And at that annual refresher training, like just roughly what do you recall that you had learned there? MR. THOMAS: It’s a bunch of different classes. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Like ethics. Correct? MR. THOMAS: It goes from somebody speaking to somebody putting something up on the teleprompter and then you’re reading off it’s a variety of classes depending on how the instructor at that time would present the class. ee : Okay. Great. Let me see. So just to bring us back to this. It EFTA00063632

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 looks like the way that the BOP system is - this report that I just showed you. It looks like on 4/5 there’s a ton of different classes. And that just looks like probably what the annual refresher training covered. It would be like ethics, infectious disease, international security, key control, air spray, prison rape, report writing, self-defense, Weapons of Mass Destruction. MR. THOMAS: Yeah. But at different times. MR. THOMAS: They’re a bunch of different classes. ee : Perfect. Yeah. Awesome. And did they ever, at the MCC, did they ever provide you with like post orders and things like that? You know like -. MR. THOMAS: Yes. Post orders. HS: Bost orders and their guidance and polices and things. MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Okay. Awesome. Is there something that when they provided you did they say that you had to review them or they just 21 EFTA00063633

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ow oO wo wo give them to you? How does that work? MR. THOMAS: They’re posted on every housing unit. And -. ee : They’re all -. So when you go to a housing unit, the orders are actually in there? MR. THOMAS: No. They’re in a book. ee: They’re in a book? MR. THOMAS: One of those books. ee : Okay. And do they ask you to like review them or how -? I’m just wondering how MCC goes about it. What do they do with making sure their correctional officers know what the policies and procedures are in their institution? MR. THOMAS: You have to sign them when you go to -. You’re supposed to sign them when you go to a post. ee : Okay. So like if, for instance -. MR. THOMAS: It’s on your own to review them and everything like that. ee : I got you. So have you ever been provided, reviewed, and signed the special housing unit order posts? EFTA00063634

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ow oO oo wo wo 23 MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Okay. Do you remember - would that be like every time you’re in there or would that be like initial time? Or how does that work? MR. THOMAS: No. It’s -. If I’m not mistaken, I think it’s just to whenever you go in there. The one time you go in there, it’s - a : So like the first time? MR. THOMAS: Every quarter you have to, if I’m not mistaken, you have to sign it. ©. MR. THOMAS: Every quarter. So like if you go in there between February to April. The first initial time you go in there, you sign it. And that was it. It’s not something you sign every day. ee : Right. But like for instance in 2019, would you have been provided it and had to sign it? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Yes. MR. THOMAS: It definitely had to be in there somewhere. EFTA00063635

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oo wo wo And you did? MR. THOMAS: I’m sure - . I don’t know. 2) a wu ~ MR. THOMAS: I don't know. Ww Cc ct you have been provided -. MR. THOMAS: I have signed them before yes. But I don't know if I (Indiscernible a : Sure. No problem. What is the BOP of MCC policy on conducting counts and rounds? Just broadly speaking. What you’re like sentence or two. MR. THOMAS: My interpretation of it? I don't. a : Your understanding of let’s start with rounds. What are you supposed to do with rounds at the MCC? And we can even move it directly to the special housing unit so we don't get confused. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. Ee : In the special housing unit, how are you supposed to conduct a round? MR. THOMAS: You’re supposed to conduct the rounds every 30 minutes not at the same EFTA00063636

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wo wo time but roughly bout every 30 minutes. minutes like MR. THOMAS: Not every 30 minutes on the hour or anything like that. Try to -. ee : So like a 30 to 40=minute gap. There’s like a 10-minute I guess window that you’re supposed to conduct it within every 30 minutes. Is that right? So it’s not exactly like -. MR. THOMAS: It’s not exactly -. a : MR. THOMAS: Yeah. 8:00, 8:30, 9:00. It’s not exactly 8:00, 8:30. Just every 30 minutes. So if you go at MR. THOMAS: Sure. -- you should go at sometime between 1:52 or whatever the case may be. It mn just every 30 minutes. 24-hour day? Every 30 minutes? MR. THOMAS: Yes. For every 24-hours. « i) is] there’s no like Okay. you don't have to do it from this time to that EFTA00063637

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S) N N No Nh wo WwW wo WwW time. MR. THOM round? W No. It’s for a 24-hour O fu na ta ie] hat are you sup ed to do when you conduct a round in the SHU? MR. THOMAS: It depends on the time period. ee: Can you just explain to that a little bit? you’re just walk able to see a person and make sure that th You’ re person and make sure they’re there. MR. THC @ verything like that. Yes. That they’re not -? ee: They’ re not in distress EFTA00063638

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ow oO wo wo or need anything? MR. THOMAS: Under distress and -. Yes. count to your understanding? A cell count. Or if] a an inmate count. In the special housing unit. MR. THOMAS: An institution count? Ee : No. What’s the - so when you’ re working in the special housing unit, do you not have to do a count on the weekdays from 4:00 p.m., 10:00 p.m., 12:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m., 5:00 a.m. -- MR. THOMAS: You’re doing the institution count. The standard - it’s a BOP count. It’s an institution count - well I phrase it as an institution count. a : So how do you - when you’re in the SHU, how do you conduct a count though? MR. THOMAS: Same way you do a round. MR. THOMAS: So you just walk around, verify live tissue and everything like that. And you see a person. the numbers this time though? So as opposed to EFTA00063639

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 just going - in a round, I’m assuming you don't actually call out the numbers and certify a certain number. You just go through and make sure everybody’s okay. With a count, is it - you have to -? MR. THOMAS: In a count, you call out the numbers. And in a round you just verify. ee: Okay. And then what do you do after you get the numbers in the special housing unit? MR. THOMAS: Tally it up and put it ona piece of paper. ee : Okay. Like a count slip? MR. THOMAS: The count slips get time on the count slips. a : Okay. Great. And were you provided training on conducting rounds and counts at MCC? MR. THOMAS: Yes. HE: «= Okay. When would have you received that training? During the annual refresher training? Annual SHU training? MR. THOMAS: Annuals yes. Annual refresher training. And SHU training. Either or. 28 EFTA00063640

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oo wo wo training they would provide on that or are they the two primary times you would get that? MR. THOMAS: That’s the two primary times. ee : Okay. During your time igned to i] wn at the MCC, how often would you be a the special housing unit? MR. THOMAS: It depends if it was for overtime. Well besides when, just, well, assigned to be, just assigning for overtime. | tti‘iai‘éwl So whenever you would conduct overtime you would be there? Or just - MR. THOMAS: Well if it was open and that’s what was open. Yeah. That’s what it would be. | ti‘ és So in your - since 2007 through 2019, did you do it fairly regularly? MR. THOMAS: Fairly regularly. I mean -. Hs: «SOs you’re pretty familiar with - MR. THOMAS: I’m familiar with both from 2007 to 2000 I haven’t been a correctional officer that whole time. EFTA00063641

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oo wo wo ies) =] MR. THOMAS: I was if I’m not mistaken, I got the material handler position in 2010 or 2012 - something in between that time frame? ee : So I guess from 2007 from the time that you -- MR. THOMAS: Yes. Ee : You would do it as like a quarterly posted bid? wu if] MR. THOMAS: Oh I never did it as a - I can’t recall ever doing it as a -. MR. THOMAS: I’ve done SHU more than a few times. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. a : So point being is you’re familiar with the way the SHU is operated? MR. THOMAS: Yes. I’m familiar with how everything goes in the SHU. HR: «8. icht. Awesome. So aside from doing the counts and rounds, what other training would they provide you in order to make sure that you were prepared to work in the SHU? Would they provide like suicide prevention training? Things like that? EFTA00063642

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 31 MR. THOMAS: If I’m not mistaken, that’s on the ART. If I’m not mistaken, that’s on the ART. ee : Suicide? Is on the ART? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. It’s one of the courses in ART. GUNN: «okay. What is? The course in ART? I’m sorry, I’m just trying to - MR. THOMAS: I really couldn’t tell you the exact name of the course or anything like that. ee : What you’re saying is ART has a SHU course? Is that what you’re saying? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. It has -. No. I’m saying it has what you just said a suicide prevention course. I’m sure it’s something like that in ART. ee : Oh, okay. But I was trying to use suicide prevention as like an example of a training that you’re received to be able to work in the SHU. What I’m asking is like -. To make sure -. I could say -. MR. THOMAS: No. I don't think that’s an actual course to work on the SHU - to work EFTA00063643

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ow oO wo wo Wo No specifically with the SHU. It’s just an actual course that they provide at ART. It’s not specific to just one housing unit. It’s just an annual refresher like -. ee : SO that’s - that specific suicide. So I guess what I’m asking is, what training did they provide to you to make sure you could work in the SHU? Like - or. lLet’s put it this way. During the SHU quarterly training, what type of training would they provide to you? MR. THOMAS: I really don't remember at all. ee : You don't remember. MR. THOMAS: I don't remember often. a : No. That’s totally fine. MR. THOMAS: Just regular SHU training. ee: But you have received the suicide prevention training though at the MCC annual refresher training? MR. THOMAS: At ART. Ee : Okay. And what just very briefly, what types of things would they teach you at the suicide prevention training? MR. THOMAS: Oh. Um. I’m trying - um. EFTA00063644

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 33 It’s just training like I don't know what’s specific with the training. MR. THOMAS: It’s a um. They tell you how many happens in a year or in a quarter or something like that. I remember that they tell you cases of how people committed suicide. Sometimes it’s signs to watch for suicide. Um. That’s basically all I can remember with that. I don’t’ remember the training exactly. | tti‘iai‘éwl Sure. That’s fine. Now as you said, you worked from 12:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. on both August 9th and August 10th, correct? In the SHU? MR. THOMAS: August - well it’s August 10th I think. If I’m not mistaken it’s -. | ti‘ és But August 93th and August 10th you did 8:00 a.m. till - MR. THOMAS: No. HE: «st sorry. I mean 12 a.m. to 8 a.m. on both days. MR. THOMAS: No. Not both days. MR. THOMAS: See this really has me confused. If let’s say the shift started at 12:00. Usually the shift starts at 0001. EFTA00063645

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] MR. THOMAS: So if I came in, I came in on the 9th, but the shift didn’t start until midnight. It’s from midnight to eight in the morning. saying is midnight on August 9th. So you know o what I’m 1¢2) MR. THOMAS: Which is August 10th. a : You probably got there on August 8th. MR. THOMAS: No-no-no. So I didn’t work - ee : So here’s your daily assignment roster. I just want to make sure. So August 10th, August 9th. It says that you were in the SHU both days. MR. THOMAS: Okay. So I do -. ee : I thought we talked about that earlier. I just wanted to make sure. So wu rt rt J oO mn ct wu 6 ct oO Kh ct a im i) interview, we talked about MR. THOMAS: Okay. So I did SHU. I didn’t’ recall that I did SHU two days ina row. EFTA00063646

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oo wo wo ies) uw ee : Right yeah. MR. THOMAS: Okay. ee : So I don't think you kind of called out maybe the two days leading up but you still did your overtime shift. MR. THOMAS: These are all overtime shifts for me. ee: Yeah, I know. MR. THOMAS: None of this is regular shift for me. This is all overtime for me. | tti‘iai‘éwl Okay. Great. So just the point being I just wanted to make sure you did work there on both August 9th and August 10th from that midnight to 8:00 a.m. shift. MR. THOMAS: Yes. Okay. Yes. a : Awesome. Just because I presented this to you. DO you mind just initialing and dating it? Does that appear to be your daily schedule for it looks like it oO started back on June 29, 2019 up until 8/10/2019. MR. THOMAS: Yeah. This is not a daily schedule for me. This is all overtime. As you can see, it’s all overtime. EFTA00063647

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ow oO oo wo wo Ww i=) assignments for overtime. MR. THOMAS: For overtime. Yeah. These are all -. ee : They’ re all your overtime shifts. MR. THOMAS: These are all - this is not my daily -. MR. THOMAS: So it’s just all overtime. that’s why h- t says the number of times in here n where it’s the SHU. MR. THOMAS: It’s the SHU and internal mostly. Ee : Right. Because they were vertime shifts working in the SHU. MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee: Thank you for that clarification. Thanks. And what are your overall duties and responsibilities when you are assigned to the SHU? MR. THOMAS: Maintain the count of inmates. Make sure the inmates are fed. Depending on what shift you’re referring to, take over a shift, make sure they get their EFTA00063648

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 showers. Um. Make sure they’re counted and that’s basically it. ee : Okay. And are there any special requirements for inmates who are assigned to the SHU? MR. THOMAS: Not that I know of. No. ae : So are inmates that are assigned to the SHU -. Unless they have some classification where they could be hurt by another cellmate, are they all supposed to have cellmates? MR. THOMAS: Classification. Like I don't know if they still - some if I can recall, some a cell and rec alone. Maybe they were ina fight and they, what’s it called. When they keep away from all inmates. Um. But other than that some could be cell rec alone. ee : So for the most part, I should say, are inmates in the SHU supposed to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: That’s not -. I don't know. Ee : My understanding was that they’ re all supposed to have a cellmate unless they meet some kind of a criteria like they’re a certain type of an inmate who would be harmed 37 EFTA00063649

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ive) o 1 by another cellmate. Is that not correct? 2 MR. THOMAS: I don't -. 3 ME: You're not sure? 4 MR. THO I’m not sure. ir enough. No problem. fu 6 Have you ever received training for medical Pa vs) 4H wo H o ] od H 11 | tti‘iai‘éwl Were you also an 2 instructor? 3 MR. THOMAS: No. I’ve never instructed. 4 ee : You’ve never been an 5 instructor? Never like a CPR instructor or ling like that? 7 MR. THOMAS: No. No I’m not a CPR 8 instructor. ee : Okay. Alright. So for 20 medical emergencies, the ART is pretty wo N ras when they cover that? Do they N ho during SHU training? Medical emergencies for inmates? N a Nh a) I don't recall. No. I don't Nh uw ct a p. o ay 7) 12] EFTA00063650

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1 whole time. 2 MR. THOMAS: Not -. 3 | tti‘ésSS Because I think he was on 4 suicide watch. But when you were there he was 5 - you know him from being in the SHU though? 6 MR. THOMAS: Yes. I’ve seen him before in the SHU yes. Absolutely. 8 ee: Okay. Perfect. Do you 9 assigned to the SHU? 0 11 No? They never told you 3 MR. THOMAS: No. 4 ee : Okay. Was it high- 5 profile? For suicide? Safety concerns? 16 Anything like that? 7 MR. THOMAS: It could have been a number 8 of reasons that, his case was high-profile, wo whatever the case may be. 20 Hs: = Okay. And was Epstein assigned to the SHU on both August 9th and N ras N Nh August 10th, 2019? MR. THOMAS: Yes. N a 24 ee: Okay. And we kind of 25 just covered this, but do you know how long he EFTA00063652

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 was assigned to the SHU? Again, I believe it was July and August aside from those timeframes. Correct? MR. THOMAS: I really don't know. ee : Yeah. That’s fine. What was Epstein’s routine while he was assigned at the SHU? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : Because you did the overnight shift, I can understand that. So are you aware that like during the day he would meet with his attorneys every day? And then he would be - so from basically 8:00 a.m. until like 7:00 p.m. or 8:00 p.m. he was? MR. THOMAS: I honestly really don't know. es : You don’t even know. So when you worked in the SHU was it always that 12:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. shift? In the SHU? MR. THOMAS: Well I mean I’m sure I have some evening watch ones. I don't know if I have some evening watch or not. But I’m sure I’ve done evening watch or anything like that but I didn’t look exactly at that. Maybe that’s all morning watch. This is all morning watch. Oh that’s day watch internal. 41 EFTA00063653

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1 ee : Oh you actually watched 2 him when he was on suicide wat 3 MR. THOMAS: Yes. 4 ee : Alright. Not while you 5 were in the Shu though? 6 MR. THOMAS: No. Not while I was in the 7 SHU. 8 ee: Alright. When you were watching him, was that a positive or a negative wo 0 experience? MR. THOMAS: Just I don't. I can’t 2 label it under positive or negative. It was just watching him. 16 interactions with you - were they like -? 7 MR. THOMAS: Oh, he spoke with me and 8 everything like that. 20 MR. THOMAS: Yeah, he was pleasant. He wo wasn’t mean or an that. He was N ras N Nh really incoherent where he was at. But other N a ct a fu =] that, he was just fine. He just sat there 24 and talked with me until I mean the whole six 25 hours. EFTA00063655

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ow oO wo wo 44 ee : Okay. And do you remember around when that took place? MR. THOMAS: I really can’t recall. ee : Would have that have been -? Does it say it on this? Up. Actually it does on this thing it says suicide watch. Would it be on 7/23/2019? MR. THOMAS: That could have been his. That could have been that one. I: Okay. So on 7/23/2019, I believe he had an incident within And are you familiar with -? So when you were watching him on suicide watch. Do you know why he was there? MR. THOMAS: Oh, for suicide watch. I mean it’s -. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Yeah. Did you hear that he tried to take his life? MR. THOMAS: Yeah, I’ve heard that. As you can see, I was internal that day. MR. THOMAS: Internal you just go up and you count all the housing units and everything like that. And I guess he tried to commit suicide. And then we brought him down to the EFTA00063656

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 suicide room. And I sat there and watched him for - I don't know what six hours, seven hours, whatever that is. ee : But prior to them sitting down or even after, did they inform you why he was there? MR. THOMAS: Well it’s suicide watch. It’s pretty self-explanatory? ee : But they didn’t provide you details? MR. THOMAS: No-no. Just if you’re there on suicide watch it’s kind of self-explanatory. But if you go on -. Depending. Suicide watch is one thing and observation watch is another. But if it says suicide watch, I’m sure he was on suicide watch because he was in a smock and um -. ee : What does a smock mean? MR. THOMAS: It’s just a cover that you put over so you don't have any clothes or anything like that. a : Okay. Is it so they can’t harm themselves? MR. THOMAS: Yeah, so they don't harm themselves. Mm-hmm. EFTA00063657

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ow oO wo wo ee : Okay. And were you the only individual on that, observing him during suicide watch? MR. THOMAS: Yes. I was the only one watching him that time. ee : And you said there is a difference between suicide watch and psychological observation. What is the difference? MR. THOMAS: Well psychological observation you have your clothes. ee : Okay. But I mean as far as you as a CO. MR. THOMAS: There’s no difference. You’ re still watching them. There’s no difference. MR. THOMAS: You’re still just watching them in the suicide. In observation, you just have clothes and suicide watch you’re ina smock and a blanket. Ee : Okay. And did you receive any instructions with regard to Epstein when he was assigned to the SHU? MR. THOMAS: No. EFTA00063658

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wo wo N ins) ine) rs a No Nh ine] uw MR. THOMAS: No. he was. ee: So you don't recall if he had a cellmate or not? I don't really recall. H en fe) 5 ct K i] aQ i] an b b b ~ oO b Hh Ss oO = wu io Okay. Or for his case whatever the case, but I’m sure he had a cellma Unless he was cell or rec alone. Epstein was required to have a cellmate when he Okay. Do you know if Lor was assigned I don't know. with you about Epstein needing a cellmate when And did anyone ever n he was assigned -- -- to the SHU? No one peak EFTA00063659

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ow oO wo wo 48 provided any instructions? Um was there a sign posted within the SHU saying that Epstein was required to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. I don’t know. I don't think so. I don't know. ee : Do you ever recall there being a sign posted on his door saying he was required to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : Do you ever remember a sign being posted on the officer in charge’s desk area or computer saying that he was required to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: That’s - I don't go to his office. The officer in charge. I don't. where you would sit in the SHU area? that different than i] MR. THOMAS: The officer in charge or the lieutenant office? Hs: «Not the lieutenant. The orc. MR. THOMAS: The OIC. Well the OIC has a desk. I didn’t see a sign. I don't remember recall ever seeing a sign -- EFTA00063660

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wo wo WwW that date, I just remember that particular day, Po was his cellmate that day. | tti‘ésSS Alright. And are you aware of any issues that took place between er) Eps So you don't know what that -? them? No. No. Okay. And you didn’t of incident? Did you that incident. Yes. Me and another officer responded that time. And by the time we got there, he was -. Beca got there after the other officer got there. And we just took him out. ee : What other officer got there? MR. THC Um, who was it...? I don't remember the two officers that were on duty that day, but the other officer that was there, EFTA00063662

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1 ee : And he worked in the SHU? 2 MR. THOMAS: No. He didn’t. I don’t 3 remember if | was working in the SHU or 4 not. But I remember when we responded, I 5 remember it was me and a. I remember 6 ia. I honestly couldn’t tell you who the other two officers on duty up there. Maybe 8 || was one of the officers, but I know when wo we responded, when we go there, I remember 0 seeing a. 11 | tti‘iai‘éwl Were you working at the 2 SHU at that time? 3 MR. THOMAS: No. I was internal that day. 4 ee : Alright. So I’m assuming 5 that you weren’t the first to arrive. 16 MR. THOMAS: No I wasn’t the first to arrive. No. Absolutely not. that’s what I wo thought you meant by being the second one 20 there. So can you just explain what you meant 21 by that? 22 MR. THOMAS: Um, from what I can remember. 23 I wasn’t the first to respond to - I wasn’t the 24 first person on that site on -- EFTA00063663

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wo No 1 MR. THOMAS: -- the scene of that. But I 2 did eventually get there. Yes. 5 MR. THOMAS: I was one of the responding wo a By the time I got there, they 0 were actually - they were actually bringing him out. 2 ee : Bringing who out? 3 MR. THOMAS: Uh, Mr. Epstein. They was 4 bringing out Mr. Epstein. of his cell? 16 MR. THOMAS: Out of his cell. Yeah. 7 | ti‘ aié‘ésll Where were they bringing wo We was taking him to the 20 suicide which is down on the second floor. moving him from the SHU to the suicide watch N ras they were N ho N a wu KH 0) fu Nh To the suicide watch area on Nh uw EFTA00063664

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S) N N No S) wo WwW wo WwW wi Wo Okay. remember. And do you know why he commit suicide or empting to harm hat he would to beat him up or something like that. I think he said he tried to beat him up. I really don’t remember But I think he said he was ing like that. ee : So Epstein was claiming Tryi H he B 5 te] ct Oo o @ wu t 7 Bp 3 c | *) fat Ee : Was he saying that he didn’t try to commit suicide but rather that Fs was trying to harm him? I remember him saying that EFTA00063665

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ow oO wo wo Sas trying to beat him up. I remember him saying that. ee : Okay. And did he tell you that? MR. THOMAS: He was just saying that. Yeah, he was just -. Well we were talking. Ee : When -? MR. THOMAS: So yes, he did tell me that. We were just talking. Pt responded or during your psychological Was that when you observation or suicide watch observation? MR. THOMAS: It was just when we were in observation together. MR. THOMAS: When I sa he was really incoherent. He was just saying because actually me and || was there for a while. It wasn’t just me by myself for maybe about 10 - 15 minutes when we got him. Let’s say half an hour. Got him there. Got him de-clothed. Got him into the suicide room. And then the lieutenant was there. Who was the lieutenant there? Oh I can’t remember. Who was the lieutenant there? And because I don't have EFTA00063666

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 MR. THOMAS: I don't. I really didn’t. ee : So do you think he was using it? Why do you think he said it? MR. THOMAS: Probably just wanted to get out of the cell. I don’t’ know. I really don't. I really don't know. ae : Okay. But you didn’t believe it. You believed that he was actually trying to harm himself rather than the other cellmate trying to harm him? MR. THOMAS: Inmates say things. I really don't know if it was. I really don't know. I really don't know. I just - me at that time, I was just sitting there. He wanted to talk. I’m there. Why not talk? a : Absolutely. But it didn’t cause you concern when he was saying that another inmate was trying to harm him? MR. THOMAS: Well it was passed up and everything like that. Because when he came out, he said it to the lieutenant and everything like that. So everybody was known. But as far as anything - any concern. No. Inmates harm each other all the time. ee : Sure. Do you know if at EFTA00063668

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wi ~] 1 that time | 2 MR. THOMAS: It’s alright. I can’t 3 pronounce his name either. 5 no longer Epstein’s cellmate? 6 MR. THOMAS: I’m sure if they said he tried to harm, I’m sure he was no longer his 8 cellmate after that. I’m sure. ee : Okay. Do you know around 0 how long he was on suicide wo and then 11 psychological observation? Outside of the SHU? 2 MR. THOMAS: No. 3 ee : Alright. So does July 2 4 to approximately July 30th sound to be about ive) 5 right? 16 MR. THOMAS: I don't know. 8 MR. THOMAS: I don't work in that area. wo a : No, that’s fine. So if 20 Epstein came back to the SHU on July 30, 2019, 21 Was assigned another 22 23 I’m sure they wouldn’t put 24 him back in with the same one. So. I would 25 say yes. I don't know specifically, but I -. EFTA00063669

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wi ) 1 cellmate from July 30th through August 9th, 3 MR. THOMAS: Okay. 4 ee : Are you not familiar with 6 MR. THOMAS: No. I don't know who that 8 ee: Okay. Were you there at 9 all when Epstein was returned from the suicide 0 watch / psychological obs area back to 11 the SHU? 2 MR. THOMAS: No. 4 if | was already in the cell or not? I’m not sure. Like I said, 16 if you could look at the thing. I’m morning watch. So. MR. wo They’re all in their cells 20 tucked in at that time. So I couldn’t tell you 21 who was in there or -. 22 a : Okay. And do you know 23 ling about | being removed from the MCC 24 on August 9, 2019? 25 MR. T No I don't. EFTA00063671

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ow oO wo wo office for, I didn’t go straight up to the SHU. ee : Okay. Right. So that’s what I’m saying. You arrived there on the night of August 93th and then worked in the SHU from midnight August 10th to 8:00. MR. THOMAS: Oh see, okay. Now I see what you’re saying. Yeah. I got there let’s say at 11:50 or 10 minutes prior to try to be there a little early. But I thought when you keep saying the 9th because -- : Yeah, absolutely. MR. THOMAS: -- as it shows I worked on n the 9th. That’s why. : Absolutely. MR. THOMAS: But if I got there on the 9th at 10:50, was up there. Okay. MR. THOMAS: I can’t remember who the other person was. Because it’s usually two people. It had to be two people. I can’t remember who the other person was. a : Sure. And so I’1l just ask that last question to make sure that we’re on the same page. When you arrived. Prior to your August 10th shift on August 9th at EFTA00063673

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oo wo wo oO) No approximately about -- MR. THOMAS: 11:50. ee : -- 11:50 p.m. Was | discussed? Inmate a. Or the fact that Epstein was without a cellmate. MR. THOMAS: No. Ee : No. Okay. And do you know if Epstein should have been assigned a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: I don't know if he’s -. Well usually if you’re committed if they - someone commits - they usually try to not put them by themselves. ee : Right. So if you come back from suicide watch or psychological observation, you’re supposed to have a cellmate. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. ee : Correct? MR. THOMAS: But that would have been done prior to my shift. That wouldn’t have been done on the morning watch shift. No movement happens at the morning watch. MR. THOMAS: That happens prior to my EFTA00063674

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ow oO wo wo 63 shift. ee : Absolutely. But just my point being people that come off of the psychological observation or suicide watch, they are required to have a cellmate. Correct? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Ee : Okay. And is there some kind of like a hotlist that’s in there? MR. THOMAS: It is. I do recall. You’re saying hotlist. There is something called a hotlist. I don't know where it’s at or anything like that. But I’m sure they do have something called a hotlist. Yes. ee : What is a hotlist? MR. THOMAS: The MCC definition of it. ‘ rr don't know. I know it’s just inmates that are - it could be inmates that are cellie. It could be that means that they’re cell rec alone. It could be the inmate’s suicide watch. It could be the inmate’s mental instability. MR. THOMAS: Hotlist. It’s a culmination of a bunch of different things. ee : Why are people placed on the hotlist? EFTA00063675

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 64 MR. THOMAS: I don't place people on the hotlist. I don't know. That’s psychology. ee : Yeah. So if it’s up there though for people to see that this is the hotlist. Is there like a reason? Is it something like these people all need cellmates? These people need special attention. These people -. What’s the -? MR. THOMAS: I really don't know. I couldn’t tell you on that. It’s just like a hotlist. I know it’s a hotlist. Some - the psychology put. I don't know if it’s particularly that all these people need cellmates or the hotlist or -. I know that there is something called a hotlist at MCC. I don't know where they - entails you to get on the hotlist. No. ee : Oh. So not what it takes to get on it. But why it’s posted there. Like if you’re on the hotlist, what does that mean? MR. THOMAS: Like I said, it could have been because you -. ee : So is there a description next to a name? Does it say you’re on the hotlist because of this reason? EFTA00063676

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Oo) uw 1 MR. THOMAS: I really don't remember. I 2 don't -. I can’t remember what it looks like. 4 hotlist within the SHU? 5 MR. THOMAS: Yeah. There is a hotlist 6 somewhere. 7 Ee : Alright. And do you know wo a I don't know if it’s posted 0 or not. I don't think -- 2 MR. THOMAS: -- it’s posted. I don't 3 know. But I do recall something called a 4 hotlist in the SHU. 5 ee : So you recall a hotlist. 16 You don’t remember seeing it? 7 MR. THOMAS: I don't remember seeing it. 8 No. wo 20 reviewed it or any 21 MR. THOMAS: I don't remember reviewing 22 it No I don't. 23 ee : Were you supposed to? If 24 you were assigned in the SHU, were you supposed 25 to say oh these people are on the hotlist. I EFTA00063677

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wo wo need to take special care to these p MR. THOMAS: I don't think so. MR I don't think so So -. I don't think it w these people or not. what then? or the staff you’re a if doesn’t that mean that you’ it? look at MR. THOMAS: Supposed to Yes You’ re supposed to look at it Eee : Alright. But MR I would say noId at it that night. No. Fair enough. I don't know if he Who eople. No. as anything would be the would in in staff in re suppos you didn’t? idn’t look jou So do y on the was EFTA00063678

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] ~] Oo hotlist. ee : But you do know he was on suicide watch and that he should have had a cellmate. MR. THOMAS: Yes. I knew he was a suicide person. Yes. Ee : Okay. Now could SHU f have assigned Epstein a new cellmate. Ph sta MR. THOMAS: Could SHU staff do it? I don't know if SHU staff could do it. I know the SHU lieutenant or something like that could do it. But I don't know if SHU staff could just give him. I don't know. ee : So who would be responsible for assigning Epstein a new B cellmate? So let me if it wasn’t clear. || was his cellmate. He was required to have a cellmate because he was on suicide watch. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. HE: «80d psychology made sure that - or was supposed to make sure that - everyone knew that he was supposed to have a MR. THOMAS: Okay. EFTA00063679

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 cellmate on August 9, 2019, who would be responsible for placing a new cellmate with Epstein? MR. THOMAS: Honestly I don't know. Honestly I don't know. I’m sure it has to come from somebody higher up. Obviously a lieutenant or it could have come sometimes high-profile could come from the administration. MR. THOMAS: Whatever the case may be. So specifically I really don't know. But I know it’s somebody higher up has to give him - higher up than me - has to. MR. THOMAS: Yeah. I don't think an officer would just put somebody in there with him. ee : Okay. Now is that discussed at all like during any of those trainings or the suicide prevention trainings? Is it discussed like hey if you know this guy is on suicide watch, make sure he’s got a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: I don't think so. I don't 68 EFTA00063680

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ow oO wo wo for a person who came off suicide watch not to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: I don't know the reason or anything. Like I said, that’s also the psychology personally handle that. But I’ve seen also with inmates come up there and they go into a cell by themselves. ee: Okay. But you’re -. And again I don't know that this was clear. If you’ re working in the SHU and you know someone is supposed to have a cellmate, are you fn authorized to provide them with a new cellmate? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. MR. THOMAS: I don't know. MR. THOMAS: No. I’ve never done it. ee : You’ve never done that? MR. THOMAS: No. I’ve never just put somebody inside a -. Are we talking with a suicide? I’ve never just put somebody in a cell with somebody else. MR. THOMAS: Especially not at morning watch. Absolutely not. EFTA00063682

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 71 a : Okay. As someone in the SHU working in there and knowing someone’s without a cellmate that should have a cellmate, should you report it to a lieutenant? MR. THOMAS: If they don't have a cellmate should you report it to a lieutenant? Mm. I don't know. I mean. Usually if that happens, the lieutenant, because with certain inmates you can’t just put somebody in with them like. It could be a racial thing. It could be he had a previous incident. He could be whatever the case may be. So I know officers don't want to just do it because then they say oh that person can’t be in with them. And also before you put an inmate inside so you have to check their background as far as steps so this person can’t be with this person. Or this one is affiliated with this and this person. So for an officer because some officers don't have the programming -. I mean don't have the thing just to say oh well I’m going to see inmate this and I’m going to put him into that. 02 MR. THOMAS: So that’s why an officer wouldn’t just put an inmate inside with another EFTA00063683

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 cellmate with someone like Epstein? MR. THOMAS: Well whoever is on shift at that time. It’s a process. Like it’s if someone leaves and goes from R&D to -. A staff member can’t just let somebody leave. MR. THOMAS: You know. I can’t just let somebody walk just because he can walk in walk out. ee : Absolutely. MR. THOMAS: Has to come from R&D oh this person was released. And then because then the base count changes. And then so it’s notified before it gets to the SHU staff that somebody left. Or -. MR. THOMAS: Now if it wasn’t you know that specific that | | left. You know what I mean. That Jeffrey Epstein. I know before it gets to the SHU staff happened to put somebody in there. It has to come from someone else to know that inmates left from a particular housing unit. Or SHU have to tell them the inmate left from a particular. Now whether they know that it was Epstein’s um cellmate 73 EFTA00063685

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 that left. I don't know. That’s above me. But it comes from way up from - it comes from before it gets to the SHU staff that somebody left. The only thing that a SHU staff is going to get is a call saying that oh yeah, base count changed that such-and-such is not there. Ee : So if the people that are calling SHU and saying hey this inmate is leaving. So in this instance it would be on August 9th. SHU staff. You weren’t there. But SHU staff gets the call and hey, inmate || is leaving. Do those people know that | | was assigned to Epstein? MR. THOMAS: I’m sure they -. I mean. I’m sure they should -- a : Or would the SHU staff be responsible -- MR. THOMAS: -- know that he was assigned Hs: «= sfor saying hey he’s leaving but Epstein is required to have a cellmate. That’s Epstein’s cellmate. How does that information get passed along? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. EFTA00063686

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ow oO wo ~] uw MR. THOMAS: I don't know when that particular - when that will happen. I really couldn’t tell you when that would actually go down in the - go down. specific to you. If - you said you didn’t - but would you have been authorized to assign Epstein a new cellmate during your shift on August 10, 2019? MR. THOMAS: Would I have been authorized to? ee : Right. So if you knew that Epstein was required to have a cellmate -. MR. THOMAS: If somebody would have told me to give. I wouldn’t have just taken it upon myself to take an inmate out from X and put him to where in to Epstein. No. If somebody authorized me to put him in there, then I would have put him in there. But -. HE: | Bt you wouldn’t have that authorization to do that independently? MR. THOMAS: Independently? MR. THOMAS: No. EFTA00063687

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] nn MR. THOMAS: No. own make the decision. Hey, he’s without an , inmate - he’s without a cellmate. I need to get a new inmate in there. MR. THOMAS: I’m going to say no. MR. THOMAS: I’m going to say no. Not especially with a high-profile. You’re not just going to put somebody in with somebody else. Absolutely not. ee : Alright. And obviously since you didn’t know, I believe I already know the answer to this, but did you notify anyone during your shift on August 10th that Epstein did not have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : No. Alright. Now we’re going to talk a little bit about staff psychologists. Because you mentioned them. Do you know who the MCC staff psychologists were i) Oo in August 2019? MR. THOMAS: Dr. a. You’re talking about the -. EFTA00063688

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oo wo wo ~] o ee : So would have he -? MR. THOMAS: I’m sure if he went on suicide, I’m sure he met with them. But I don't know specifically that they go on this date that he met with them. MR. THOMAS: If he was on suicide watch, 7] | s met with someone. ee : Now how places someone on suicide watch? MR. THOMAS: ee : Okay. So if Epstein like you said was on suicide watch, would have ychology. psychology then placed him there? MR. THOMAS: Well a psychology will say that he has to go there and then the staff - the custody staff would actually take him to the suicide area. a : Okay. And just briefly, what is suicide watch? MR. THOMAS: It’s a place where you watch somebody on suicide. ee : Like you said, did you say the second floor? MR. THOMAS: It’s on the second floor. EFTA00063690

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 79 Yeah. ee : So the second floor is a separate area? MR. THOMAS: It’s a separate area. Four cells. And in that pack you can, I’ve seen suicide watch be in the SHU sometimes. So it just -. ee: And just on that note, where is the SHU? What floor? MR. THOMAS: Ninth. | tti‘iai‘éwl Ninth floor. Alright. So. He was on the 9th floor. Went down to the second floor - Epstein that is. On suicide watch. So it’s on the second floor. And like how long are they there? Like who makes that determination I guess is what I’m saying. MR. THOMAS: I would say -. ee : Who’s in there? Is psychology like co-located with it or how is it -? The suicide watch area. How is that set up? MR. THOMAS: It’s a room on the second floor. It’s four rooms on the second floor. Single rooms. Big glass. Door. Food slot. Same on the other side. There are two EFTA00063691

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wo wo 24 adjoining doors. It has a shower there. So like if you have to shower then there’s a Also on the second floor. believe that would meet with people t are on suicide wat MR. THOMAS: I’m sure. Yes. But you didn’t know? But you just believe. MR. THOMAS: Yeah. I believe. I just believe it. I’m sure that they meet with people on the suicide watch. I’m sure. 2n you’ re watching in on July 23rd, did you s oO ea chologist talk with him at all? MR. THOMAS: That was on the morning watch. But no psychologists is on duty. EFTA00063692

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wo i) WwW wo N ins) ine) rs a No Nh ine] uw MR. THOMAS: -- at that time. 8:00 -. You were watching him. From 12 midnight to -- MR. THOMAS: -- while I was watching him until, well exactly, from about 1:30 a.m. MR. THOMAS: So um. like Epstein he’s on suicide watch and then Now when inmates though placed back in the SHU. How soon thereafter are they typically provided a cellmate? MR. a : Is it right away? MR. THOMAS: I’m sure it’s right away. ee : Typically? MR. THOMAS: HE: «Sos it like you, typically, like is a cellmate already in there Um, I don't know. I’m sure it’s -. when they place him with someone? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. It could be either or. I’m sure that they made certain provisions and stuff to make sure that he was co rar EFTA00063693

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ow oO ~—] wo 82 put with somebody that he felt comfortable with or whatever the case. ee : Do inmates that are on suicide watch and psychological observation. Do they always go from there to the SHU? Or ever into somewhere else? MR. THOMAS: What do you mean? ee: So if someone’s on suicide watch or psychological observation. MR. THOMAS: On the second floor. | tti‘iai‘éwl On the second floor. When they are released from that, do they always get placed into the SHU or do they go -- MR. THOMAS: No. They can -. ee : -- back into get general population? MR. THOMAS: It can be either or. If they have some more SHU time that they have to serve or anything like that they can go back to the SHU. But their SHU time is up and it’s -. I’m assuming -. I/’11 say it’s whatever the psychologists say. If they say that they’re cleared to go to population. They’1l take them to population. EFTA00063694

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ow oO wo wo 83 difference between suicide watch and psychological observation? MR. THOMAS: Suicide watch, one has a smock and a blanket. And observation they have ee : That’s the only difference? MR. THOMAS: That’s the only difference. We still just watching them out there. There’s no difference. MR. THOMAS: Or anything like that. Yeah. No difference. You watch them. ee : Same area, same cell, just what they’re wearing? MR. THOMAS: What they’re - yeah. Same area, same cells, and what they’re wearing. Absolutely. ee : Okay. And is it your understanding the Epstein was both on suicide watch and psychological observation? MR. THOMAS: I don't know if he was on psychological. I knew when I watched him he was on suicide watch at that time. EFTA00063695

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ow oO wo wo 84 MR. THOMAS: I don't. Maybe he was. I don't know. ee : Did any other inmates that were in the SHU when you were working in the SHU in July and August 2019. Were any of them also people that were on suicide watch or psychological observation? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : No? Would that be on that hotlist if they were? MR. THOMAS: It probably would be. I don't know if it’s something that other inmates. I couldn’t tell you there was 5X suicides or that. I couldn’t tell you. ee : Okay. Are there any other additional requirements for people to come off of suicide watch or psychological observation, aside from having a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. Hs: «90s they have to get -? Do you have to pay closer attention to them? MR. THOMAS: I’m -. I don't think so. I’d just say that everything is still standard practice. EFTA00063696

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wo wo co uw working in the SHU, do you treat everybody the same? Or certain people -? MR. THOMAS: No. I treat everybody the same. ee : So you don't look after certain people more than others? MR. THOMAS: No. I don't pay more attention to one person or another. No. You look after everyone ee : And is that the case with Epstein as well? You weren’t informed like hey, make sure you’re paying more attention to him? He’s your priority. MR. THOMAS: No. | ti‘ aié‘ésll So no one ever said -- MR. THOMAS: No. absolutely not. ee : -- he’s the priority inmate? Okay. And I may have asked you this, so I apologize if it’ if) MR. THOMAS: It’ ee : But was Epstein required to have a cellmate during his stay in the SHU? 7) MR. THOMAS: I don't know. EFTA00063697

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wo co wo oa i=) : You just don't know. MR. THOMAS: I don't know exactly, but I don't know. I don't know. But I would say if he was previous suicide, yeah, he was probably required to have an inmate. : Are you aware that the staff psychologist every issued a requirement for him to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: No. I’m not. I don't know. : So did anyone, including the psychologist, peers, supervisors, or others ever tell you that Epstein was required to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : Do you have that email? a : Let me see. Is there one ee : So this is an email from that FY 7 from psychology. It says, to suicide watch psychological observation update, 7:30, 2019. Do you know if you ever received this email? It says, “Inmate Epstein is being taken off psych observation and needs to be housed with an appropriate cellmate.” Do you remember ever receiving that? EFTA00063698

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 MR. THOMAS: Um. Usually they send this out to everybody like it’s sent out to everybody but I don't remember seeing it. I’m sure if it was sent out to all staff, I’m sure it got to me. But I don't remember seeing it. ee : No. And I’m not saying that you received it. I’m just asking if you had received it. Like either by forward. Did anyone ever forward this email to you? Or did anybody ever -? Or did you ever see it? MR. THOMAS: No. My name’s not on here. ee : Yeah-yeah-yeah. No, I know. Your name isn’t on there. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. ee : You’re right. That’s why I’m just asking if anyone ever forwarded that on to you? MR. THOMAS: Hm-mm. Hm-mm. ee : And. Okay. Do any of these names that are on here -. Especially toward the bottom here. Any of these names people that would worked in the SHU? MR. THOMAS: It could be a bunch of these people that worked in the SHU. I don't know specifically who works in the SHU. 87 EFTA00063699

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wo =) wo N ins) ine) rs a No Nh ine] uw wo No ee : Okay. Did the warden ever tell you that Epstein was required to have a cellmate while housed at the MCC or a if] signed to the SHU? MR. THOMAS: No. Not that I recall. the SHU during Epstein’s stay at the MCC? I don't know. ee : You don't know becai you weren’t there during the days? Does the warden typically just work during the day watch? MR. No. I actually had an overtime shift with the warden sometime when he helped out with the -. He worked the SHU with me one time. But I know -. | ti‘ aié‘ésll When did he do that? MR. THOMAS: I can’t recall. ee : Would it have been like in the July or August of 2019? MR. THOMA Nah, this was a long time fAS: A long time ago. -- same warden? EFTA00063704

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wo wo oO o with Mr. Thomas. Everyone is present. I should also note that another attorney for Mr. Thomas is on the telephone. I believe that is | ti‘ ié‘ésl Is that correct? ee: That’s correct. ee : Okay. Great. Mr. Thomas, I just want to remind you, this i 7) a voluntary interview. You are under oath. And we will resume. Any questions -- MR. THO | tti‘iai‘éwl -- before we start? MR. THOMAS: Nope. ee : Alright. So the next section is regarding supervisors on August 9th Again, we know you don't work on August 9th, during the day. MR. THOMAS: During the day. Yeah. ee : At least. You did work in the early morning hours. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. ee : Some of these questions then you might not know the answers to. Who were the MCC supervisors on duty with responsibility for overseeing the SHU on August 9th and 10th, 2019? I’11 actually provide you EFTA00063710

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oo wo wo ) oO with this duty agent roster to help. So this for if] an MCC New York daily signment roster August - Friday August 9, 2019. And this is one for -- MR. THOMAS: The 10th. MR. THOMAS: What’s your question? ee : So who were the MCC supervisors on duty with the responsibility for overseeing the SHU on August 9th and 10th, ho Pp 9? So who would have -? Is it true that the SHU lieutenant -? If the SHU lieutenant is out of the office. | ti‘(‘sésll Oh, I’m sorry. Can we do one question at a time? Because it just -. You jumped to the second and he didn’t answer a : Well it’s because wanted to explain that the SHU lieutenant was out. ee : So who then would be responsible to oversee the SHU if the SHU lieutenant is out? EFTA00063711

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Nh No wo Ne] WwW wo MR. THOM I - whoa. If the SHU lieutenant is out? Who would be responsible? that I was on that time would be -. Au ee : And we can start from h. wo ct when you worked on August Okay. (Indiscernible a : Who on August 9th would »onsible for overseeing the SHU if is not there? MR. THC lieutenant. off. It looks like 100 EFTA00063712

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101 1 her duty was from I think that they were a 2 little different. But it shows on this that it 4 actually worked 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. But 5 after she would leave at either 6:00 a.m. or 6 8:00 a.m. Who would then become the person with oversight of the SHU? I guess. It’s either -. 11 MR. THOMAS: It would be both [J and wo 2 | that’s operations and the activities 3 lieutenant. 4 ee : Okay. And then after 5 them would it be J anc HP 16 MR. THOMAS: Oh. Yes. 8 MR. THOMAS: Well actually. Well yeah. Yeah. 20 Hs: «So sis that how it works? the operations \o ' o w 7 ie) ~ i] he N ras would have ins) nN } Bb cu Cc ct U) 45 fu o = N a Well if I’m not mistaken -. Nh a) Nh uw ct It I’m not mistaken, I think, as I said, the EFTA00063713

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I was SHU 2. 5 ee : And what does that mean? 6 MR. THOMAS: It just means that it’s just where you was assigned. It’s just where I was 8 assigned. I was assigned there for overtime. for overtime. 9) WN: is there a difference 11 between SHU 1 and SHU 2 though? Like different wo ee) S oO = wu ia wu 7) n p- Q 5 © Q ct ian i) it oO 2 responsibilities? 3 MR. THOMAS: I couldn’t - you have to read 4 the post orders. I couldn’t tell you. ow C Okay. 16 MR. THOMAS: -- exactly what the -. 7 | ti‘ és Is there a hierarchy? 8 MR. THOMAS: I want -. It depends. I \o 3 o fu =] k rt kK o w be b ke really depends. That’s 20 definitely hard to explain because is there a 07) N c a B oO in] w % aQ io oO ins) ho oO * wu N a a MR. THOMAS: Remember because she has -. Nh 4 t’s no hierarchy. ee: Is the person with the Nh uw EFTA00063724

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ow oO wo wo 113 most experience in the BOP in command? Or how does that work? When you’re in there with another person. There’s only two of you. Is there someone that’s kind of in charge? MR. THOMAS: I’m going to say -. They’re going to say SHU -. How it is the BOP. How it is at the jail. They say SHU 1 is in charge. MR. THOMAS: But then they -. with SHU 1 or somebody with more time. Like if I have more time than SHU 1. How are you going to be in charge when you have more time? It depends. But then again, I’m non-custody. So it’s all different dynamics when it comes to that. MR. THOMAS: But they will say SHU 1 is usually in charge. If you bid for SHU 1-. If you did a bid, they’1l say SHU 1 is in charge of the SHU. MR. THOMAS: But -. Ee : And you were SHU 2 that day? MR. THOMAS: I was SHU 2 that day. Yes. EFTA00063725

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ow oO wo wo 114 had seniority, is that -? MR. THOMAS: It doesn’t play out like that. It doesn’t play like that. In a black and white sense, it doesn’t play out like that. MR. THOMAS: You’re both equally , responsible because she’s SHU 2 and I’m SHU 2. I mean it just - it doesn’t - and on paper it plays out that she’s SHU 1. She’s in charge and I’m SHU 2, but it really doesn’t play out like that. ee : So you’re both serving the same roles? MR. THOMAS: Were both serving the same roles, especially on morning watch. We’re both doing the same thing -- MR. THOMAS: -- were both serving the same. responsibilities. me duties a wu MR. THOMAS: Same duties and responsibilities. Well because you can’t do one thing without the other. So. EFTA00063726

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wo Ne] WwW ~] fee} wo came up. I couldn’t tell you when. the lieutenant came up once or I’m lieutenant came up. 1 the lieutenant who d come up? 117 a lieutenant I’m 7) c iad Oo sure the have been Uh, Lieutenant a . lieutenant came up? Hm-mm. fi > probably around like 4:00 a.m.? MR. THC It’s sporadic. set particular time that 2:00 or 1:00 - But I’m sure during the course of the day, during the course of the night, lieutenant | EFTA00063729

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 MR. THOMAS: She always walks by. She’s (Indiscernible *01:25:39) walk. ee : Do you remember if any - another CO came by maybe around like 5:30 a.m.? MR. THOMAS: Um.... It’s supposed to be another CO that comes on at 6:00 to 2:00. I don't recall them ever coming up. It says a. But it’s, as you can see, it’s a 6:00 to 2:00 post. But I don't. Around 5:00, I don't remember any other -. I don't remember any other CO coming in. ee: Okay. What about like a breakfast cart? Who would provide that? How would that be done? MR. THOMAS: Well the breakfast cart that they push it into the hallway. I wouldn’t see the person down in food service that -. I mean they push down the hallway and ring the bell. And I don't remember who brought the food cart up. But the food cart came up and we seen in through our peripherals outside the hallway. MR. THOMAS: It’s through a double door. ee : And then you go and you get it? EFTA00063730

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oo wo wo 119 MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Then we go and retrieve it and we bring it inside the SHU. « o 3) ee : And do you remember who it was that actually retrieved it that morning? MR. THOMAS: I really don't remember. I think she did, I did. I don't know. I don't remember exactly who did it. ee : Okay. So the only person that you remember that entered the SHU was MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Okay. What was her purpose for visiting the SHU on August 10th? MR. THOMAS: She visited all the housing units. Operations lieutenant she walks around the building throughout the night. ee : Part of her duties and responsibilities? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Part of her duties. ia oO n briefly explain what’s the process of entering and exiting the SHU? MR. THOMAS: Um.... Wow, I can’t even EFTA00063731

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 remember the door. Um. You call for the door. It’s the 20. You call for the door to be opened. I can’t remember the exact number of the door. You call for the door to be opened. They ring the bell. You call for the door to be opened. Then you have an inner door that’s locked. You unlock that - you call for the person. The person comes in. If it’s a warden or anything like that, it’s usually a book that they have to sign saying that there entered into - that they entered in or whatever the case may be. They enter in. And then you open the door. HE: «Okay. So you initially said that they call. Who? MR. THOMAS: Well one of the staff members inside call for the door. ee: Okay. So -. MR. THOMAS: So me or | | had to call for the door to come in. ae: So someone comes at the outer door the first door someone’s got to go through. They call you guys in the SHU. MR. THOMAS: No. They ring the bell. ee : They ring the bell? EFTA00063732

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. THOMAS: If the outer door -. It’s -. The outer door, whichever number it is, the outer door. You ring the bell. It signals somebody’s at the door. You look and you see. I see. I say can I get your name, sir? You see whoever it is. You call for the door. Look to see if the (Indiscernible *01:28:05) I see | covering at the door. I bring - I call for the door. He comes in the door. Then there’s another door that’s locked. You unlock that door and then they come in and then you lock that door back. ee : So my question is though on the outer door. Who do you call? The control center. MR. THOMAS: Yes. You call the control center. ee : Okay. And then does someone from the control center? MR. THOMAS: Looks down it. Well the control center verifies who is at the door and then they open the door. ee: Okay. And is there like cameras there? MR. THOMAS: Yeah, there’s a camera in the EFTA00063733

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wo wo ee : Okay. Great. So control center allows them in the door first. Do they the SHU that coming in? MR. THOMAS: We notify them that someone is coming in. you call control. MR. THOMAS: Call control center ee : Control then looks -- opens the door. to that. And then does control center have any involvement with them when you said you unlock MR. THOM No. Then it’s for another door. The inner door. people that are in the SHU that can allow oO someone to enter and exit? EFTA00063734

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ow oO wo wo 123 MR. THOMAS: For that inner door? Yes. ee : Okay. And who was it -? How are the keys worked? Who maintains control of those keys? MR. THOMAS: Um, for the morning watch shift. There’s one control key and usually the number one person holds it. It’s the key that never leaves the thing. I can’t remember exactly what keys are on there. ee : When you say on there. Where are they maintained? MR. THOMAS: They’re maintained down in the control center. ee : But are they like hung up somewhere? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. They’re hung up on like a dashboard that say ee: The control. Wait. I’m sorry. So I’m not confused. There’s a key n that you guys utilize to open the door that’s in the control center. MR. THOMAS: Yes. That utilizes. Well the control center has the master keys for all the doors. EFTA00063735

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wo wo N a Nh ine] uw is) rt control center opens that outer door. And then the inner door. Doesn’t the people that are assigned to the SHU have - use a key to -? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. That’s the master key ever leaves the SHU. oO P— wu I’m talking about. Where is that key maintained? You said the SHU -? MR. THOMAS: Usually the number one on SHU will - ee : MR. THOMAS: Like on their person? Yeah. On the person. Usually SHU 1 holds that on the person the whole time. Okay. So it’s not hung up somewhere. MR. THOMAS: No. It’ w t=] ie] ct hung up somewhere. The SHU 1 holds that on them at all 7] times. And do you recall MR. THOMAS: I’m sure. I’m sure she had it. I’m sure she had it. EFTA00063736

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ow oO wo MR. THOMAS: Because I had the um, the oh! Door keys and cuff key. Or if I had my cuff key. ee : So if you have the door keys and the cuff keys, usually the other person is the one that has the outer key? MR. THOMAS: Yes. We have - ee: Or the (Indiscernible *01:30:16) MR. THOMAS: It rotates. During the course of the day it can’t rotate or anything like that. MR. THOMAS: When during the day when like somebody’s feeding or somebody’s doing this and you -. That person would take this key I’m going to go feed this row or I’m about to go do this. So if somebody’s doing law library. It can rotate. But during the course of the night, usually SHU 1 has one key and then I come up with the -. I eventually grab another key. ee : Okay. So on August 10th you said you only recall ee. Do you recall who allowed her to enter? EFTA00063737

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ow oO wo wo have been? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : In the control center? MR. THOMAS: No, not the -. The control center would be there, but R&D would be gone. ee : Alright. So let’s say I did control center or anyone else call the SHU on August 10, 2019 about Epstein cellmate’s leaving? Or the need for Epstein to have another cellmate assigned? MR. THOMAS: No. That would have been done prior to my shift. ee : Okay. But not during your shift? MR. THOMAS: Not during the midnight, no. That would have been done prior. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Alright. So being that you’ve been in the BOP since 2017. MR. THOMAS: 2007. Hs: §« Sorry, 2007, that’s what meant. I apologize. In that Epstein was required to have a cellmate, after || left on August 9%, what should have happened? Who should have taken appropriate actions? Can you just kind of walk me through how that process EFTA00063743

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oo wo wo should have taken place? MR. THOMAS: Um. I mean. By my knowledge, like you said, from being in for work, if he would have left, it would have been communicated to the officers via R&D that somebody had left. R&D would have been the first people to notify? MR. THOMAS: Yes. R&D would be -. Yeah. R&D would be the first people to notify that an inmate has been -- ee: Released. MR. THOMAS: -- taken off the count. Been released. Taken off the count. Ee : Okay. And then who would R&D contact? MR. THOMAS: R&D would contact the lieutenant and contact control center. a : So R&D would contact both control center and -- MR. THOMAS: And R&D. Ee : -- the lieutenant? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. ee: Would they at all contact the SHU? Or the place where the inmate was EFTA00063744

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 released from? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Well R&D would contact the SHU and let them know that somebody had been released. ee : So in this case, i was released on August 9th. Should have they called all three? They should have control center -. Or R&D should have contacted looks like Lieutenant aa. or potentially a. as well as control center and the SHU staff? MR. THOMAS: In a perfect world, R&D will call lieutenant’s office, call control, and call the SHU. I’m sure somebody had to call the SHU and let them know that their base count has changed. MR. THOMAS: Some - one way or another, somebody called control to let them know that the base count has changed. Who did they call? I don’t know, but during that - because the courts close at 8:00. MR. THOMAS: At the latest. Yeah. I believe it’s 8:00 p.m. So somebody called and let them know. R&D got the first call that 133 EFTA00063745

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 there would be somebody gone off your count. ee : Okay. So it wouldn’t be like they called the ops lieutenant and the ops lieutenant would then call the SHU. R&D typically would actually call all three. MR. THOMAS: Usually. But I have been when R&D called all three. I have been here when the control center have called the SHU and let them know. Yo, your base count changed. Such-and-such has been released or such-a-bunch has been moved to a different housing unit. Yeah. MR. THOMAS: But usually you get a call either from R&D or control center. a : Not the ops lieutenant? MR. THOMAS: Not the -. I mean not -. I’ve been in when the ops lieutenant called, but nah. Not typically the ops lieutenant. HR: «Blight. So it’s typically control center. MR. THOMAS: Typically your control center or R&D will call and let you know that their base count have changed. 134 EFTA00063746

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ow oO ~—] 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 when that’s actually taken place? MR. THOMAS: Yes. I’ve been present when that’s taken place. He: tn the SHU? MR. THOMAS: Yes. I’ve been present in the SHU when that’s taken place. Ee : Okay. So how soon after -? So Epstein is required to have a cellmate. How soon after | departure should have Epstein been assigned a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: That comes from the SHU lieutenant and from operations and the staff member that had to be there. ME: ov. MR. THOMAS: If -. a : So who -? Who had the responsibility to fill Epstein’s cellmate requirement? Who had the responsibility to place Epstein with a new cellmate? MR. THOMAS: I don't know offhand. But -. I don't know offhand who had the responsibility. But it had to come from either the SHU lieutenant. I would say first since he’s a high-profile, I would say from the SHU lieutenant. EFTA00063747

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] ee : Okay. And were you -? We touched on this before, but in this specific instance, were -. Well you weren’t there. MR. THOMAS: I wasn’t there. ee : So would have you, if you were there, would have you been it - uh, authorized to assign him a new cellmate? MR. THOMAS: If I was there and it came down from higher-up to assign somebody, yes. If I was there, yes. | tti‘iai‘éwl So if someone else told you to? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. If somebody told me. If the SHU lieutenant told me that oh listen, he needs this and such like that, yeah. Just go like that because he’s high -. I wouldn’t just put somebody in his cell. ee: Okay. What about SHU staff that weren’t informed by higher-ups? SHU staff there could have they assigned Epstein with a new cellmate even temporarily? MR. THOMAS: I -. Could they have? I -. MR. THOMAS: Were they -? ee: I mean that theoretically EFTA00063748

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ow oO wo wo they could have as in like you can do anything MR. THOMAS: You can do anything you want. MR. THOMAS: But -. ee : But were they have been authorized to have -. MR. THOMAS: Nah. Not with a high- profile. No. I don't think they’re authorized. MR. THOMAS: I don't know offhand, but I wouldn’t say from my knowledge for being -. b wouldn’t say that they’d be authorized. It would have to come from somebody else. a : Okay. So the people that are working in the SHU, what action should have they taken as soon as they were aware that Epstein’s cellmate had left? MR. THOMAS: What are we talking about? ae : So if they’re, you know, supposed to be conducting counts. Supposed to be conducting rounds. As soon as they notice, hey, | is gone. Epstein is required to have a cellmate. Is it their responsibility to EFTA00063749

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ow oO wo wo notify someone? Hey, get on the phone and call the ops lieutenant, control center, or whomever. MR. THOMAS: I would call. If it were -. I would call somebody. Call somebody and let them know. Operations. Epstein need a cellmate. Or -. ee: Right. So the -. MR. THOMAS: SHU lieutenant if he’s there. ee : So the SHU lieutenant -- MR. THOMAS: If the first person -. ee : -- has gone on leave -. MR. THOMAS: If the SHU lieutenant has gone on leave, call the operations lieutenant. ee : Okay. Alright. Now we’re just going to talk a little bit more about rounds and counts. So the cell count. What, officially, what is that? Is it obtaining the official number of the inmates in your housing unit? MR. THOMAS: Yes. a : Okay. And can you just explain the process? You touched on it before, but now can you actually explain like -. So when you’re in the SHU for instance, and you’re EFTA00063750

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 139 MR. THOMAS: What timeframe? Are we talking about? ee : So your timeframe. Let’s talk about when you’re specifically there. You’re there from 12:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. Correct? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : And you were there for both August 9th and August 10th. When should have you conducted counts and how should they have been conducted? MR. THOMAS: How it happens is one officer goes up. You have the door key to the grills - the outside grill. You open the outside grill. One officer walks around, count, verified. Do one count, then the other office go around, count, and then you all combine your numbers at the end. You combine your numbers at the end of each tier. And then you tally up the numbers at the end. Most people write them down on a piece of paper, on your hand, back of a count slip -. It could be a number of different various where people write them down. But one person go arounds count, the next EFTA00063751

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ow oO wo wo 140 person go arounds, count. You all say - tell each other your number. I got 15. I got 15. Boom. Then you move on to the next tier. Do the same form for all six tiers. And then you tally up your numbers at the end. ee : Okay. So when one staff member is counting the inmates, on each tier -. MR. THOMAS: They’re the one standing at the grill. ee : At the grill. And can you just explain what the grill is? MR. THOMAS: It’s just a door. ee : Is the door closed or open? MR. THOMAS: Um, typically it’s closed. But some people leave it open. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Okay. So one person remains outside of the tier basically at the door. MR. THOMAS: At the door with the key. ee : And then one staff member goes around, checks on all the inmates, when - and how do they check on the inmates? MR. THOMAS: They look inside the, and if it’s not covered, they look inside a window - EFTA00063752

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wo wo 20 N ras N Nh N a Nh Nh uw look inside the glass. I can’t tell you the diameter of it, but you look inside the glass and you see where the inmates are -. ee : Now the 12:00 a.m. Is there a count that’s ed to be done at it) 30} 2) ste) a) 12:00 a.m., at 3:00 a.m. -? MR. THOMAS: 12:00, 3:00, and 5:00. a : And during that time, when you look in the window of the door, what 7) it you’re supposed to do? MR. THOMAS: You verify flesh. Make sure you can just see somebody - see somebody’s skin. vo Oo fe) c fs] oO o o rt fe) m oO oO movement? MR. THOMAS: No because they could be supposed to hit the door or fpthing? Make MR. THOMAS: No. You’re not -. They’ re still human beings. EFTA00063753

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ow oO wo wo No. They’re sleep is 12:00 midnight. Some are up playing chess. Some are up writing letters. And some are asleep. You don't hit the door to make sure that they’re moving. ee : Do you shine a flashlight in? MR. THOMAS: Some have a flashlight. You have -. ee : No, do you, as in -. MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Yeah, I’1l have a flashlight. And just flash and see live breathing skin. They could be under the blanket or anything like that. And -. ee : Okay. And is the purpose to make-? What i if) the purpose? MR. THOMAS: To make sure nobody has escaped and see a body inside. ee : A live body? MR. THOMAS: We have a live body. Hs: Okay. A live body. Okay. And that is the process in the SHU. Correct? Like not only in the institution but in the SHU? MR. THOMAS: That’s the process in the institution. EFTA00063754

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] 144 stand at the grill and the other person walk down and have to switch places and do the same thing? MR. THOMAS: Yes. MR. THOMAS: Yes. MR. THOMAS: Well aside for the count. other than you’re actually counting during a MR. THOMAS: The same. Exactly. What you a : Okay. And with a round, you also don't need to speak with them. You just have to make sure that they’re in there and they’re alive? MR. THOMAS: Just make sure that they’re - yeah for the round. Just make sure that they’ re in there. Okay. Um. And at all times do two officers needed to do the rounds and the counts? EFTA00063756

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No WwW wo WwW wo WwW MR. THOMAS: Supposed to be. Yeah. Supposed to. purpose of conducing counts and rounds? MR. THOMAS: To make sure there’s a body taped and that there’s -. Yeah. Make sure someboc fo ee : Now are cell counts and rounds documented? MR. ee : Okay. And do the sign documents after they conduct counts and rounds? ee : Um. Now if you - in this case from 12:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. there’s two people that are assigned to the SHU. MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : And two people have to actually conduct the rounds. Correct? MR. THC Y oO 17) 145 EFTA00063757

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 146 the only two officers in the SHU, were you both responsible for documenting the round sheets and the count slips? MR. THOMAS: Documenting the count slips. Not the round sheet. Whoever -. I mean it doesn’t -. If I’m not mistaken, there’s no direct responsibility. Whoever wants to do it or do it it’s no assigned or number one has to do this or number one has to do that. The only thing we both have to do is sign a count slip. As far as signing a round sheet and um -. ee : So both have to sing the counts. But for the rounds sheets, if one person signs it, are they basically signing for the both of you? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. If you’re going to -. They sign it for the both -. Mm-hmnm. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. ee : So both people are responsible for that signature? For the rounds? MR. THOMAS: Well because I can sign it. She can sign it. It doesn’t make a difference EFTA00063758

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ow oO wo wo 147 but -. ee : But she’s signing on behalf of the both of you? MR. THOMAS: Sign that the rounds were completed. Yes. ee : Okay. And what do you do with the documents after they’re signed? So let’s talk about rounds first. After the round sheets are signed -. Can you just explain to me what a round sheet is? Is it -? Do you keep everything on one document? MR. THOMAS: All for -. Excuse me for -- ee : For rounds? MR. THOMAS: -- for all three, shifts are all on one document. Yes. a : So starting on each date from 12:00 a.m. to the -. MR. THOMAS: If it says 12:00 a.m., I can’t remember the exact date. It should start from 001 or maybe it’s 1201 and continue on. counts? Sorry, what do you do with those sheets? Sorry. After you documents the 30- minutes -. MR. THOMAS: Uh, they stay there. I guess EFTA00063759

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ow oO oo wo wo they get sent to the lieutenant’s office at the end -. They get sent to the lieutenant’s office at the end of the day. At the end of a day not the end of a shift? MR. THOMAS: Not the end of the shift. At the end of the day. ee: Okay. And who collects them? MR. THOMAS: Uh, internal usually collects them. ee : And what is internal? MR. THOMAS: Um, how do you explain internal? Um. The guy that -. The staff member that rides up the elevator and at the end of the day you collect five security sheets, round sheets, and all - a bunch of different paperwork and you take -. ee : Is internal like a part of control? MR. THOMAS: No. It’s a person in an elevator. Because inmates can’t ride the elevators by themselves because we’re in a high ri is) e. EFTA00063760

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ow oO wo wo 149 MR. THOMAS: So it’s not like a compound 7] center. So the officer on, that usually collect is] all the rounds sheets if somebody else hasn’t done it, the officer on the elevator will usually do it. MR. THOMAS: Which is called internal. ee: Is it a lieutenant or an officer or either or? MR. THOMAS: It’s an officer. It’s an officer. ee : It’s an officer? Okay. Um. And do you call anyone with the numbers for either counts or rounds? MR. THOMAS: You call control center. a : Do you call them or do they call you? MR. THOMAS: No. You call them. ee : You call them? And who do you call in the control center? Do you ask for someone? MR. THOMAS: No. You call C&A. I forgot. And don't ask me what C&A stands for. But it’s - because you have a control center and then you have another person -. And if it’s still EFTA00063761

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ow oO oo wo wo 150 two because it used to be one at one time, but you have the control center. And then another person in there um and the person is called C&A. And you would call them and they have a um, a sheet that they call for the count. That they verify for the count. Ee : Is it just for the counts? Not of the rounds? MR. THOMAS: It’s just for the counts. a : Okay. When you call do you give them a number? MR. THOMAS: Yes. You call and give them a number. ee : Okay. And is it just one overall number? MR. THOMAS: Yes. It’s one overall number. ee: For the SHU. So it would be -. You wouldn’t say per tier. You would n w kK | MR. THOMAS: No-no. It’s just one -. No- no. No. They just say one base count of the whole SHU. ee: Okay. So on August 10 during your shift, from 12:00 a.m. to EFTA00063762

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ow oO wo wo MR. THOMAS: -- for signing. ee : -- conducting them. MR. THOMAS: Both are supposed to be conducting, but yeah. Both are responsible for conducting. guys conduct the rounds? MR. THOMAS: I couldn’t tell you. I was tired that day. As you can see by the paper, I do a lot of overtime which is -. I was just tired. Just exhausted that day. ee : Um. Alright. Can you just initial and date this? Thank you, sir. Um, and you said that you also didn’t conduct any of the cell counts on the SHU on August 10, 2019. Correct? MR. THOMAS: Cell counts. What do you mean cell counts? ee : The counts, so that was the rounds. These are the counts. MR. THOMAS: Counts. Yes. Ee : Sorry. The inmate counts. I don't know why I -somebody wrote -. Okay. So the 12:00 a.m., the 3:00 a.m., the 5:00 a.m. None of them were conducted? EFTA00063768

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wo wo MR. THOMAS: No. ee : Um. Are these the three os where they’re -. Yep. Can you just tell me ifs) what it is we’re looking at here? It looks like this is the overall 12:00 a.m. -. MR. THOMAS: Institution count. Yes. institution count? And this is the - for all three of those counts - 12:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m., MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee: Alright. Awesome. Ee : And the number doesn’t change? Or anything? MR. THOMAS: No. a : Okay. Alright. So (Indiscernible *01:53:06) A2, B2.... So is that the time of the count? MR. THOMAS: No. That’s not the time of the counts on either one of them. No. That’s not the time of the counts. MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS: [Indiscernible > lo *01:53:25 to *01:5 ee: Look at the bottom. MR. THOMAS: Yeah, the time when it was :30] c EFTA00063769

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wo wo MR. THOMAS: That’s just for - the hospital which is the suicide room. these -. oO inmates were out of their cells. They were down at the suicide room. those four inmates. about this? MR. THOMAS: That’s just the paperwork that’s in the computer system saying that they n were taken from one place to another. were taken from their Okay. And are these the actual count slips? MR. THC which count slips were the ones from the SHU on August 10th? EFTA00063771

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wo WwW wo WwW No N MR. THOR I don't recall. It could have been. I don't recall : could have been something to that nature. what number do you have on there? MR. THOMAS: What do you mean? ee: What’s that count? look at the first 1) ZA? What number Do you remember having conversations with control center or the lieutenant about the fact that those Were you the who called that number in that night? MR. THOMAS: I don't remember. I don't remember. ee: You don't remember -? EFTA00063773

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ow oO wo wo 163 MR. THOMAS: 72. ee : Alright. So do you recall a conversation with the ops lieutenant with regard to that discrepancy? MR. THOMAS: I don't recall. I don’t recall a conversation with (Indiscernible *01:56:31) the discrepancy, but I’m sure that another one was sent down changing the -. Because they wanted to clear, I’m sure that another one was sent down saying 72 with the correct number on it. MR. THOMAS: I mean I -. The person that I can see that’s down there definitely would have verified that. Oh, you have the wrong number. And switched it out. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Okay. And -. MR. THOMAS: That’s just -. ee : Do you remember though speaking with the person on the phone and saying that -. MR. THOMAS: I don't. I don't. ee : You don't remember any conversation with them telling you you’ve got to do a new count. A new count slip. EFTA00063775

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wo WwW wo WwW MR. THOMAS: I don't recall any conversation, but I’m almost -. I would be n ure that he didn’t just let that just go with the wrong number on there. Or maybe he did. Maybe he didn’t. ee : Well I think it was a she.” Would you have spoken to -? “4 Oh this person is been MY chat gid MR. THOMAS: What do you mean? doesn’t the ops you tell which -? lieutenant to take one of the counts? | ti‘ aié‘ésll Can you tell who it was that took this count on 12:00 a.m.? I couldn’t’ tell by not -. Well I don't know who who took it. It just in] o a fu bh c it) ie) om wu x bp. o Q = p- rt > wu o Oo co f rt > oO ie @ EFTA00063776

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 MR. THOMAS: No, I don't. No. ee : No? So is this the first that you’re even noticing that the count -? MR. THOMAS: That the count slip was wrong? Yes. This is my first time besides in the -. This is my first time in the -. ae : Would that be a big deal if you’re sending in a count slip that’s wrong though? MR. THOMAS: Would it be a big -? It’s a -. Yes. It would be a big deal as far as the wrong count being called in. And then the correct count slip would have been changed before the count was cleared. MR. THOMAS: So I’m sure the correct count slip probably was sent down. It’s just obviously not here. ee : But being that it’s kind of a big deal, that still doesn’t spark your memory of any kind of correction to this? MR. THOMAS: No. It’s not sparking my memory by any kind of (Indiscernible *01:58:22) but I’m sure a correct count slip would have been sent down. 165 EFTA00063777

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 MR. THOMAS: It wouldn’t have just been left at 73 on there and that’s the wrong number. ee : So if that - a new count slip would have been sent down, is there any reason for them to have that count slip that was originally prepared attached to this document? MR. THOMAS: Unless it got misplaced. No. I don't know they would put that one onto this document. ee : Okay. Fair enough. Were any supervisors present? Or are supervisors -? So you already said you didn’t conduct any counts, so obviously no supervisors were present for any counts or rounds during your shift. Correct? MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. HS: exe they required to be present for any counts or rounds during their shift? MR. THOMAS: They’re required to take one count. I don't know which count they’re required -. I don't know what’s the book 166 EFTA00063778

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1 thing. But which one they required. But are 2 they required to take rounds in the SHU while 3 I’m there? I don't know. 5 MR. THOMAS: I don't know if they’re 6 actually supposed to to do one round per unit or anything like that. I really don't 8 know that. ee : So when you say they are QO required to take one count, do you mean in the wo control center? 2 MR. THOMAS: In the control center 3 downstairs. Yes. 4 ee : Yeah. They’re supposed 5 to take an institution count. 16 MR. THOMAS: Yes. Exactly. 8 go to the SHU and physically do either a round wo or a count -- 20 MR. THC 21 ee : -- during each shift? 22 MR. THOMAS: I don't know. 23 ee : Did they ever do that 24 during any of your morning - your shifts from 25 midnight to 8:00 a.m.? EFTA00063779

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ow oO ~—] 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 168 MR. THOMAS: Did they ever come take a count with me? ee : Do a round or a count with you? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. I’ve seen them do it before. I’ve seen them just come. Some will count a unit for you from time-to-time. ES: oxy. MR. THOMAS: I don't recall that night - which lieutenant, but I’ve seen lieutenants, oh well I’m going to be here. I’11 count that unit so you don't have to worry about it. Since we’d be so shorthanded sometimes they - if they’re out and about at that time, they’1ll just take it then. They’1ll take the 3:00 count. Like I said, it varies. There’s no -. As far as I know, there’s no black-and-white way of how to do it. ee : Okay. So you don't know of wu MR. THOMAS: As far as -. that you know a lieutenant needs to do a count or round? wu MR. THOMAS: Yeah. I don't know of any EFTA00063780

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ow oO oo wo wo 170 aid is] you didn’t do the 12:00 a.m., at 3:0 o ) a.m., and the 5:00 a.m. What conversation did you have with JJ about this during that time? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. A specifically about the 12:00 a.m. But what about it during your shift at all? Like not doing any of the counts or any of the rounds. What conversations did you have with | MR. THOMAS: I don't remember having any conversations with her about it. No. ee : So it wasn’t even discussed like, hey we’re just - it’s a long night, we’re all tired. Let’s just not do these. MR. THOMAS: I don't remember. MR. THOMAS: I don't think so. I don't remember anything like that. No. ee : Alright. So no one of them were conducted, but no conversations with regard to it? MR. THOMAS: I don't remember any conversations with us talking about it or EFTA00063782

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ow oO wo wo anything like that. ee : Okay. And on the 12:00 a.m., at 3:00 a.m., 5:00 a.m. Did you call in the counts or did | | call in the counts? MR. THOMAS: I don’t remember who called in the counts. MR. THOMAS: I don't remember. It had to be either one. There’s only us two there. I don’t remember who did it exactly. I really don't. ee : Alright. So like you said with regard to the rounds that are signed. Both are responsible. You know you’re supposed to both conduct it. One actually has to sign - MR. THOMAS: Somebody has to call it in. in. So you’re both take responsibility for calling them in. You both take responsibly for signing the round sheets? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Okay. So if you’re documenting these rounds. Did you document these counts? You obviously had to document EFTA00063783

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 the counts at the time that they were called in. Correct? Because you’ve got to provide the count slip. MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : So if you’re preparing that count slip, why aren’t you just -? How long does it take to conduct a count? MR. THOMAS: 15 minutes - 10, 15 minutes. ee : So if you’re preparing the count slip, why aren’t you just conducting them? MR. THOMAS: Like I said, just exhausted. Most of the time, as you can see by my monthly, I do a lot of overtime. Like I said. Again, I’m usually the internal. I do prefer internal. But as you can see, I do SHU quite a bit as well. And it’s just something that just happened. Um. It’s really no easy way of putting it. It’s just something that just happened. MR. THOMAS: Regrettably. ee : So how often would you document cell counts that you didn’t conduct? MR. THOMAS: Not often at all. EFTA00063784

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 MR. THOMAS: No. ee : Would it be like one per shift? Two per shift? MR. THOMAS: No. Like -. I mean like I said, no one’s perfect and everything like that. But I could say I’ve done - I usually get up and do a round. Just walk around and everything like that. And it shows that I walked around and everything like that. But it’s not very often that I just said, fuck it. Excuse my language. That I just disregard my jobs and my duties. It’s definitely not often MR. THOMAS: But um, like I said, I just - ee : It happened in the past. You just don't know how it -. MR. THOMAS: Yeah, I did. It’s - I’m sure it’s happened in the past. Like I said, I’m not going sit up and say I’m perfect. I get everything on the dot - bullet that. But I try to get as most of it like that. Sometimes you have bad days. Sometimes you have good days. EFTA00063785

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 But with everything else, I just had one and I know it was a bad day. ee : What about rounds? How often would they be not -? MR. THOMAS: Same thing. Same thing. ee : Same thing? MR. THOMAS: Same thing. You get as many as rounds as you can. I don't know what’s the number of if it’s 7, 10, or 12 or whatever the case of the number it is. But you do get the rounds in and everything. Even if you get them done. If you don't get them done by every half an hour, you know what I mean. I’ve done them every hour one time. You know just being exhausted. MR. THOMAS: But I do get some done and like I said, this particular time I guess I didn’t get anything done. HS: ow is - does it have anything to do with like being the 12:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. shift? You know, why do they have three separate counts at that time? Is there a -? MR. THOMAS: That’s an institution thing. EFTA00063786

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 ee : Is that when inmates like typically try to harm themselves? Is that why they’ re done more often from that time? MR. THOMAS: It’s actually changed. Before the count was done at 9:45. Now it’s done at 10:00. Like it’s -. I don't know the particular reason why. That’s just standard BOP protocol since I’ve been there. To just make those counts. ee : Okay. DO you know of other staff members that are also entering on these - their slip counts and rounds that they’re not -? MR. THOMAS: I don't know what other staff members do. I’m locked in wherever. If I’m on internal or if I’m on the (Indiscernible *02:05:17). If I’m on one unit, I don't know what another housing unit is doing. ee : Sure. So you mentioned that there were certainly were other times that you didn’t do counts or rounds. So obviously I’m assuming you weren’t always working with i. Correct? MR. THOMAS: Yes. I wasn’t always working with i. EFTA00063787

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ow oO wo wo ee : So I’m assuming those counts and rounds weren’t conducted with another staff member. Correct? MR. THOMAS: No. I said they were conducted -. ee : Not all of them. MR. THOMAS: Yeah, I did say maybe not all of them or maybe most of them. Or maybe all of them was conducted. You know what I mean? It’s not always as a (Indiscernible *02:05:48) just not done at all. MR. THOMAS: But I have conducted my counts before. Absolutely. Ee : Yeah-yeah-yeah. But I want to make sure that we’re certain that obviously you -- MR. THOMAS: that I said that I’m not perfect? HE: «Ss ceb-yeah. That you didn’t conduct all of your counts that were documented. MR. THOMAS: You can be certain that I’m not perfect that I’ve conducted every single one of mine all the time. But I’ve conducted EFTA00063788

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 most of my counts for most of the time. MR. THOMAS: Absolutely. ee : So when that happens though, would you have conversations with staff members in general? Like hey man, it’s just a long day. Let’s not do this one. MR. THOMAS: Um. Absolutely that depends on so many different variables. There’s really no conversations about well you know we’re not going to do this or anything like that. There’s really no conversations about that. ee : I would just think that if there’s no -. If it’s supposed to be done and there’s no conversations about it, that just seems like they’re never done. So what do you have to say -- MR. THOMAS: Not really because -. ee : -- like okay let’s skip this one. MR. THOMAS: -- you’ve got -. Like I said, I’m not the only one that does this actually looks a lot different from what I’m used to seeing. As you can see because right now, these only have stars. Some people have S by EFTA00063789

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 their name because they did more overtime than others. So if they - sometimes you could just be tired. Sometimes it doesn’t have to be a conversation. Somebody just didn’t bother you and you just did the round at all. I’m -. ee : Do you almost like wait for someone to take the initiative and if they don't take the initiative, you both just kind sit there? MR. THOMAS: No. No. Like I said, it just -. It could happen in any different variable way. You know what I mean? But most the time, I would say most of those guys in there do their counts. ee : Okay. Are more counts not being done in that morning shift though versus the day shift? MR. THOMAS: Again, I don't know what other people do. MR. THOMAS: When they’re in their housing units or not. HE: Say. And is it kind of a common practice at the MCC not to do rounds in the SHU? And the counts? EFTA00063790

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ow oO wo those. So this is the layout of the SHU. It looks like -. in the SHU. Correct? It starts on the 9th floor. MR. THOMAS: Yes. It starts on the 9th floor and goes all the way up to the 10th. tell by this - by looking at the letters which Okay. Are you able to one is the first floor and which one is the second? MR. THOMAS: No, I can’t tell. a : That isn’t the cells. ee : So like the cell numbers and stuff. Do you know which ones are like L, 9, all that kind of stuff? MR. THOMAS: By the numbers? No. I couldn’t tell you which number is what. What stay is -. Nah, I couldn’t tell you what number. That could be -. No. I really couldn’t tell you what numbers are what. -. Are they basically? That’s fine. So they’re MR. THOMAS: I’m sure that this could be the top and this could the -. Are they basically You said that there’s two levels 180 EFTA00063792

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ow oO wo would -. No. Because this says office. I would have said this would have been the bottom, but this says office. Maybe -. This got to be the bottom because the visiting floor. But -. This says M over here. See, this has M in front of it. This has K. These are the tiers. MR. THOMAS: M, i. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, this is a tier. Okay. : That’s what I was saying by the (Indiscernible *02:10:57). MR. THOMAS: Oh in front of there. You said -. See I heard you say (Indiscernible *02:11:00). So | would be the -. This would. I think K is the -. Gis - Where’s G? Gis the top. There we go. That’s what I thought. So and these are the L tier over here. MR. THOMAS: Oh because this is 10 South. That’s a -. This is 10 South. a : And just since you mentioned it. What is 10 South? MR. THOMAS: Another housing unit inside the institution. EFTA00063794

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ow oO wo 184 separate floors. When you’re saying floor I’m thinking 9th floor, 7th floor. But this is all 107) it) technically -. I: «S's all the suv. MR. THOMAS: It’s all the SHU. Yeah. ee : Correct. But there are two floors in the SHU. Right? MR. THOMAS: No it’s really not -. Well yeah. It’s not two floors. a : Like a split-level almost? MR. THOMAS: I don't know how to explain it. It’s not two floors like that because then you would say it’s three floors. Because when you go down - you go down the steps into one. And you just go up the stairs but it’s all in MR. THOMAS: Like this would all be 10 South. ae : -- when I say -. MR. THOMAS: And this all would be nine. And then all this would be seven. But right here, you’ll go down and then you’1ll go up. But it’s still all on the same floor. EFTA00063796

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ow oO wo wo 186 when you work in the SHU? Is it all ina centralized location? I’m assuming it’s on the first floor? MR. THOMAS: It’s on the first floor and it would be roughly it’ll be -. This is kind of set up crazy. But it would be over. No because that’s K, L, so this would be -. It’s in between K and - ee : This is the kitchen area. is recreation. Would it be somewhere over 4 s p- 1) wo like here or -? MR. THOMAS: Well see, because of the way that this is set up. It would be somewhere over here. But it’s not level with the tiers. MR. THOMAS: Like because how this is set up if I say that -. May I? ee : Yeah. You can even draw. MR. THOMAS: Alright. Like I’m saying it’s in this space here. Officers station. But it’s not on the same level as the tiers. MR. THOMAS: Like the way if I say officer’s station -- EFTA00063798

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ow oO ~—] 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 187 MR. THOMAS: -- you’re thinking it goes down. If I say officer’s station here, you’re thinking that - you’re thinking that it’s right next to K tier and M tier. But it’s not like that. MR. THOMAS: Like this is -. The officer’s station would be somewhere in this general area right here. But then K tier is over here but it’s downstairs. MR. THOMAS: And then J tier is upstairs but it’s still on the 9th floor. But it just goes - like I said, it has steps here. Like how it is. It’s got steps going down to one, steps going down to two. So they’re not on the same -- ee: I understand. MR. THOMAS: -- floor as the officer’s station. ae : So you think it’s actually outside here and not more like in here? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. It’s kind of like in between. I would say more like here. Like in between them. EFTA00063799

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 12:00 a.m. MR. THOMAS: Yes. Okay. to 6:33 a.m.? Is there like a bathroom and everything in the SHU for you to utilize? MR. THOMAS: Yes. leaving? MR. THOMAS: bathroom. I don't know No, Yes there is. Yes. But you don't recall ever I don't recall going to the if I-. not the bathroom. I just mean like there was no reason for you to leave that door. That to unlock or lock to let you into, someone would have had the control center would have to let you out. MR. THOMAS: Well reason somebody had to the other units, but - up there and count the no reason to -. There to go use the bathroom somebody -. Well no go upstairs and count well, one of us had to other unit. But there’s is a reason if you want or get a drink of water you can go over there but I don't remember if I left or not. I don’t really recall. So is your recollection hat you remained in the SHU from the hours of EFTA00063803

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= wo Wo 1 MR. THOMAS: I don't know. 3 MR. THOMAS: I’m not sure. I don’t think 4 so Does each -? Do you know ms are set up? What and what they’re supposed 9 MR I don’t - because some of the 0 tiers cameras. I mean some of the cells I couldn’t tell you. 5 ee : -- would that be just 16 like 10 South and then 10 South lower are the 7 ones that have cameras 8 MR. THOMAS: No because some of the other 9 tiers - some of the other cells have cameras 20 inside. 21 ee : Some of the other cells 22 do have cameras in them? 23 MR. THOMAS: Yes. 24 ee: Aside from 10 South and 25 10 South Lower? EFTA00063805

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= wo 1 MR. THOMAS: Yes. 2 ee : Okay. And what is the 3 purpose of that? 4 MR. THOMAS: I don't know. Just when I 5 came here they had cameras. 7 MR. THOMAS: So that they -. 8 ee: So not outside of their cells. But in their cells? wo 3 MR. THOMAS: I don't know if tier 4 particularly have cameras. But I know some of 5 the tiers actually do have - besides 10 South 16 Lower. G tier - if I’m not mistaken. It’s 7 either G or I. But I think it’s G. Yeah, G. 8 Besides G and 10 South, yes, me of the other wo cells do have cameras in them. 20 Hs: (Okay. Anything that you 21 know that would capture the Epstein cell area? 22 MR. THOMAS: No. Not inside his cell. 23 No. 25 MR. THOMAS: If he doesn’t have a camera EFTA00063806

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wo wo You did sleep. But you don't remember about how long? MR. THOMAS: I do not. ee : Was it about two hours sound about right? MR. THOMAS: I really couldn’t tell you. Ee : Okay. Do you know if you were both asleep at the same time? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. HE: «ik you discuss like hey, I’m going to sleep, you stay awake? MR. THOMAS: No. We did not ee : No? Okay. No ions were had. Are you authorized to i] A di scuss U U sleep during your shift in the SHU? MR. THOMAS: No you’re not. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Okay. Is that policy that you’re not allowed to sleep? Like how do you know that you’re not authorized to sleep. MR. THOMAS: You’re just not allowed to sleep at work. I don't know if it’s policy or not. Just don't (Indiscernible *02:20:59). ee : Okay. And you knew at the time, obviously. MR. THOMAS: Yes. EFTA00063809

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S) Ne N No i S) wo WwW wo WwW records at the time fa you were the of lsi rounds, those count slips on August 9th. the cert fallen as M understood if can 10th me fw ifying when you knew that rrectly certifying them? The count s MR. THOMAS: Yes. Okay. MR. 1 I probably Yeah? = oO 5 tal you you know you had to fying those and counts, When you - n. When you were actually were lip? Have you ever eep previously while on duty at the = oO o EFTA00063810

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10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 MR. THOMAS: I mean of course everybody’s asleep at that time. All inmates are asleep at that time. But it’s a lot - no bodies - no interaction or anything like that. So I mean sometimes you get bored and you know I mean you can sleep through what (Indiscernible *02:21:51) you just nod a little bit. It’s - I’m sure it’s -. It’s happened with me a few times but I mean I do get up from time-to-time and try to drink and definitely got a case of Red Bull on hand from now on. ee : Okay. What about ma: Have you worked with her in the past? MR. THOMAS: I don't remember. Maybe I have. I don't know exactly who I’ve -. I’ve been here 14 -. | ti‘ és So do you recall her sleeping in the past? MR. THOMAS: No I don't. Hm-mm. HE: «What about other people that you work with? You recall other people would also sleep? MR. THOMAS: No. I can’t recall if they were sleeping or not. EFTA00063811

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200 1 ownership for yourself. You know you fell 2 asleep, but -. 3 MR. THOMAS: That’s it were sleeping? 6 MR. : I don't recall. I don't think so. 0 That you know of? anyone contact you and 11 try to wake you up? If people were watching 2 you on the cameras. Did anybody say hey, wake A 3 up, or did || ever say hey, you’ve got to 4 wake up? 16 HS: «0? «Shere is a co required to be during their shift in the SHU? 8 Is it just all over the area? wo MR. THOMAS: 20 Eee : Just walking around - just within the SHU? N c ust I N nN MR. THOMAS: It’s just with - yeah, J Yeah. Well some -- N a te Nh On your -. ND uw F -- it - you’re required to be EFTA00063812

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 inside the SHU. Yes. Because some -. ee : Is there always two people required to be in the SHU at all times? Can there ever be one person left alone in the SHU? MR. THOMAS: I’ve seen when it’s been one person, but it’s -. If I’m not mistaken, it’s required for us to be I think a minimum of two. ee : Okay. So if you need to actually leave the SHU during that shift when there’s only two people there, what do you do? If two people are supposed to be there, do you have to call and see if someone else can come replace you? Or is it -? MR. THOMAS: Um.... Uh...if you’re talking about like for emergencies, maybe of course somebody has to replace you and maybe they might be - could be just short-handed and you just left alone. But I know sometimes we used to have to count next door. We used to go count um, nine - the 9th floor. So it just varies. MR. THOMAS: Um. ee : So do you have like a EFTA00063813

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] certain amount of time that you’re allowed to leave one person alone? Like for instance -- MR. THOMAS: I don't -. help with a count? Are you allowed to say, hey I’1ll be right back? And you get like a 10- minute window or anything like that? Or -- MR. THOMAS: I don't -- ee : -- how does that work? MR. THOMAS: -- know if it’s um, a particular number or anything like that. But if you’re going to go count 8, or you’re going to count 10 and then you’re going to go count 9. I don’t -. There’s no particular time. : «ey. MR. THOMAS: You know what I mean. People walk different (Indiscernible *02:24:25) and I probably walk faster than say PY or yourself where some people might be walking fast. It’s -. As far as I know, there’s no particular -- MR. THOMAS: -- set time. didn’t leave the SHU on August 10th. Did you EFTA00063814

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oO oo wo 10 o wo ine) oO ine] b know if | | left the SHU at all on August 10th? MR. THOMAS: I don't recall. I don't remember. I don't remember. ee : You just know you were there the whole time? MR. THOMAS: If I didn’t count 10. I don't know if I counted 10 or not. I don't remember if I counted 10 or not. a : Now if you count 10 is considered leaving the SHU? Because isn’t ct a w rt ct a w rt count part of the SHU? MR. THOMAS: I’ve seen that that’s a different number. It’s a different floor. That’s actually - you’re not inside the SHU. You’ re inside 10 South which is a totally different place. MR. THOMAS: But if you HE: «Bt you don't have to go through like control and all those door locks. That’s all kind of within that general SHU area? MR. THOMAS: Control has to pop the door. N cs) lo EFTA00063815

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 the door? MR. THOMAS: They do have to pop the door for you get inside. The same process. You take the phone off the hook. You ring the officer inside and control has to pop your door. And then once you’re out, once control pops that outer door, the officer inside has to open up the inner door. ee : Okay. So it is its own separate unit. MR. THOMAS: It’s its own separate unit just like any of the -. Say if I go to - ee : So there’s two officers at 12:00 a.m. to 6:30 -. MR. THOMAS: No it’s one officer up there. a : There’s only one officer in there? MR. THOMAS: It’s one officer up there. So that’s why somebody has to go up there and count. ae: Okay. Is it always then from 12:00 a.m. to 8:00 one of the people that are in the SHU always have to assist 10 South? MR. THOMAS: They - most of the time they assist 10 South and sometimes they - more often EFTA00063816

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wo wo N cs) wi than not they have to assist 9 North as well. North? MR. THOMAS: The unit acro the hall. ee : Is that also like a special housing unit type of situation? MR. THOMAS: No. It’s a regular housing unit. if that’s a Q ainst policy or not? MR. THOMAS: I don't know if it’s against policy if you’re just helping out because you’ re short-handed. Short-handed then. a : Alright. Are you guys authorized when you’re in the SHU to be able to access the computers for your own personal reasons? Like are you allowed to do internet searches and things like that? Limited MR. THOMAS: I don't know if you are or aren’t authorized or not but I don't know if it’s unauthorized or not. EFTA00063817

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oo wo co wo N Qo nn MR. THOMAS: I’m not. ee : They don't talk to you about like what you can and can’t do? MR. THOMAS: Well I -. I know you’re locked. You can’t just go shoot, search Facebook or YouTube and those things are not allowed on those types of computers. ee: Oh, okay. You’re not allowed to do like email or like Facebook or -. € MR. THOMAS: Yeah. You can’t do any 2) 7) H that stuff and you can’t access. As far a io] know you can’t access your own personal email. You have the job email and everything like that. And that’s about it. Ee : Are you allowed to do like regular internet searche w fa though and things? MR. THOMAS: I really don't know. MR. THOMAS: No. ee : Do you recall using the internet on August 10th? MR. THOMAS: I wrote my name and it says yeah, I recall using the internet at that time. EFTA00063818

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~ oO ow wo wo what you were searching for? MR. THOMAS: Um, it says motorcycle. Motorcycles? Alright. But do you know if that was authorized or not authorized? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. So you’re not sure. Okay. Are you aware if || also was utilizing the computer? MR. THOMAS: I don't know what she was on. No. But do you know if she was using the computer? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. If she was I don't know. Like I said, we’re facing two totally different directions. Sure. Do you know, were you seated -? What desk were you seated at? Were you happened to be seated at the OIC’s desk? There’s no - specifically this is the OIC station and this is somebody else here. It’s not labeled that way. Alright. The reason why I ask, I’m told that there was a sign on the OIc’s desk that said Epstein is required to EFTA00063819

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ow oO oo wo wo N cs) ao have a cellmate. So I was told that the OIC had like a specific desk. Do you call seeing that sign -- MR. THOMAS: No. computers or desk areas? MR. THOMAS: No I don't. ee: That Epstein is required to have a cellmate? MR. THOMAS: No I don't. | tti‘iai‘éwl No. Alright. So as far as visitors to the SHU. You said that there was - Po lane came at 4:00 but you don't recall any - another CO coming in at 5:3 oOo MR. THOMAS: No I don't. HS: «Xo? And the food delivery. You said that’s all outside of the SHU? You go out and get that yourself? MR. THOMAS: You go out and get that. I mean it happens I mean if I’m not mistaken it was just me and | | up there. At some time the 6:00 count come. He’s pushing it in when he comes along. But I don't remember seeing the 6:00 cart come in at that time. EFTA00063820

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wo wo MR. THOMAS: I don't recall. I don't remember if he was there or not. I really don't remember. ee : Okay. And you said no one entered Epstein’s cell between 12:00 a.m. know of? tween 6:00 and And so never before the s to enter Epstein’s cell? I you know what would be the purpose of someone for the last person to enter his cell? When you give people food, do you do it through the food tray? EFTA00063821

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] 210 MR. THOMAS: Yeah. ee : Food slot. So what would be a purpose to actually enter a cell? MR. THOMAS: During which shift? My shift? The overnight? ee : Yeah just what would be the -. So if you can think of a reason why people would go into inmates’ cells. What would be the reason w someone would have -? MR. THOMAS: Most of the time you don’t go in an inmate’s cell. Unless authorized. The lieutenant has to be there to go in there. ee : Into an inmate’s cell? MR. THOMAS: Well if you're talking about during the morning watch. I can’t go in there until the lieutenant comes. I wouldn’t just go in unless the lieutenant was there. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. HE: §= So «officers don't go into inmates’ cells unless lieutenants are present? MR. THOMAS: No not for all - if an inmate is harming himself, I’m not going to wait for a lieutenant -- ee: Yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah- EFTA00063822

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wo wo ee : Yeah. That’s understood. You know what I’m saying. But as far a n if) just going in the cell, I’m not going to go in there unless the lieutenant is present. t 10, issues with any other inmates on Augu U 15) 3 2019? During your shift? MR. THOMAS: With me? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : You had no - any issues? Do you remember like were inmates complaining about the cells being left on or anything like that? MR. THOMAS: Cells being left on? n ie) i Kn Le WW a 0) b b Q a rt w ion v) bh 5 Q left on MR. THOMAS: Nah, I don't remember. They complain about a lot. I don't really remember. ee : Do you know of any other inmates that were like, came from suicide watch or were supposed to have special attention or anything? MR. THOMAS: Ah no. I don't remember. EFTA00063823

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ow oO wo wo N b No ee : So you don't remember complaints about the lights being left on? Nothing? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : How do the lights work? Do you - are the lights left on down the range that (Indiscernible *02:30:41)? MR. THOMAS: The lights are left on down the range, but all inmates cover up their lights anyway. But even with the light switch it doesn’t cut off all the lights. It’s a light switch. As soon as you go into the tier to the left. And it shuts off the lights. But some work and some because you can shut it o Ph £ and an inmate could still turn on his light. It doesn’t shut the power off to him. | ti‘ aié‘ésll So they have access to their own interior lights? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Yes they do. HE: Bt the outside lights that you have access to - do they remain on? MR. THOMAS: They remain on 24/7, seven MR. THOMAS: -- 365 days. EFTA00063824

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wo wo N rar lo i ENN: anc is that like they have to remain on type of P rr > pf. s Q MR. THOMAS: I guess so. MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : Alright. Now we’re going to talk about the medical emergency. Was there a medical emergency in the SHU on the morning | tti‘iai‘éwl Why was the medical emergency called? MR. THOMAS: When I went up to the cell to feed the tier, when I knocked on the door, I seen Mr. Epstein and I said to come to the door, come to the door. And he didn’t move. And then I said I’m coming in. And then I went in and he was hanging. a : Okay. When was the medical emergency called? MR. THOMAS: I called it immediately. I couldn’t tell you the exact time. ee : But you called it? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. I yelled to J to get help. EFTA00063825

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wo WwW wo WwW I yelled to a. door, saw what you saw, and you yelled to - MR. THOM immediately? MR. THOMAS: Yes. I yelled to -. Well when I got to the door, I couldn’t see what I was eing. When I popped it open, I seen what saw and I yelled for help. a : So was the medical called before ven entered the 0] cell? Did you call | | to call the medical? AS: Yes, I called for || to call for the medical emergency. Yes. MR. THOM opened the door and you said call for help. MR. of thing and EFTA00063826

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 a.m., approximately what time was Epstein discovered? Do you think like a minute went by? Two minutes? Three minutes? Five minutes? MR. THOMAS: The - I can’t tell you the exact time, but I know whenever I popped -. Because I don't know what time the food cart came. The food cart came up. I don't remember if we set up all the tiers first or we set it up just -. That took us -. Usually how I do is I set up all the tiers and then I come back to the first tier and then I put it on. I don’t remember if I did so or not. But when I got to this particular -. When I got to his cell, I got there, I came with the food. I put them all on the walking food cart that’s there that you put - that you could take. Let’s say it was 15 inmates up there that you take. Usually in the morning there’s two trays. I walked up there. I had it all set up so if the food cart. I don't know who was one. Certain people, food cart come up early, some people the food cart come up late. If the food cart came up early, let’s say by the time I discovered - by the time I would let’s say if I 215 EFTA00063827

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wo WwW wo WwW went in there at 6:00, yelled the medical emergency at 6:01 and your question was -. | tti‘ésSS Sorry. So the medical MR. THOMAS: -- the cell at - if it’s cell at 6:32 kay. So approximately MR. THOMAS: Yeah. It couldn’t have t her because I yelled to a. She yelled. It couldn’t have taken more than 30 seconds for one that discovered Epstein in his cell? MR. THOMAS: Yes I am. I would assume | | did or -- yelled it over the radio s what I was 216 EFTA00063828

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 nN bE I going to say. How was the medical emergency called? Did she call it on the radio? Did she have to call on the phone? How does that work? MR. THOMAS: I - if -. She could have called on the radio. She could have did either or. She could have called over the radio. SHU need assistance. She could have the radio over the phone. I don't remember -- MR. THOMAS: -- exactly which one that she did. But it could have been either or. ee : Do you know what she said? What did you tell her at the time? Did you say we need assistance? MR. THOMAS: Yeah-yeah. I said. Yeah. Medical emergency. Need help. Need help. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Need help. MR. THOMAS: Yeah. MR. THOMAS: I don't know my exact words. I’m sure I just said to say we need help. a : Okay. When was the last time you saw Epstein prior to the discovery? MR. THOMAS: Um.... Prior to the discovery? That day that I sat with him. No- EFTA00063829

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 221 MR. THOMAS: Um... I don't -. I can’t recall. ee : Was she near you? Was she on the same tier? Do you know if she was like somewhere else? MR. THOMAS: I don't -. She -. I really can’t recall. I don't know. To just be specific I really don't know where she was standing. If she was standing at the grill or if she was standing at the base. I really couldn’t -. I really don't remember. ee : When you’re feeding the inmates, is she typically near you? MR. THOMAS: No. She doesn’t have to be. She could like I said, it all depends on how that day. Like I said, we both were tired. She could have been setting up the rest of the tiers. If I didn’t set up the tiers. So until I yelled for that help, that’s the minute. And when I yelled for that help, she reacted to my yell. Ee : Do you -? When you yelled for help, do you remember ever seeing her? Making sure she knew? MR. THOMAS: I really can’t recall. EFTA00063833

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ow oO wo wo 224 getting close. But. So this can help us with this when we were talking about the SHU. And just so can we get these maps out of there. Do you mind just initialing and dating this? Thank you, sir. Alright. So here’s some pictures I want to show you. Is this - was Epstein on L tier? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. See this is exactly what I’m saying. Like this is down from M tier but yeah he’s on L tier. cell? a MR. THOMAS: It would be back here. ee : Back on this side? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. a : Alright. What am I looking at here? Are you able to tell? MR. THOMAS: I couldn’t tell you what tier it is. But it’s just a hallway and that’s the food cart. ee : Okay. Do you mind just initialing and dating that? Is this the door that you walked up to when you saw? MR. THOMAS: If you say it is, okay. es : lright. So you can’t Hed EFTA00063836

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2 ee : No-no-no. We’ll -. Well 3 you can if you want sure. I mean you looked at 4 it. And do you believe -? So did you take 5 down this and somebody put it back up? 6 MR. THOMAS: No. I -. It was attached to 7 them and it wasn’t just that singular piece. 8 It might have more rope to it. ee : Alright. There was more QO rope to it? wo MR. THOMAS: Yeah. 3 hanging? He was hanging - wu 7] 4 /t It was something (Indiscernible 5 36) I don't know if that’s a sheet or 16 shirt or whatever the case may be. But yeah. 8 MR. THOMAS: He was hanging from over 9 there. 20 HE: «9 om this area? 21 MR Yes. 22 a : Alright. You mind just 23 initialing and dating that? Alright. So when 24 you went in, you found him, he was still 25 hanging. EFTA00063839

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 off. He fell to the floor. You then moved him to the ground. What was he wearing at the time? Do you remember? MR. THOMAS: Pants. ee : Was he naked or anything like that? Or he still had his clothes on? MR. THOMAS: He wasn’t naked. He wasn’t naked. He still had a-. I’m going to say he -. I want to say he had a jumper on. He had his jumper how they have - it’s not all the way up to the top right there, but it’s like around the waist. So maybe he had pants on. I do remember he wasn’t totally naked. EE: 02. MR. THOMAS: And he wasn’t in his boxer shorts or anything like that. But he was just and he had a - he had no shirt on. He didn't have a shirt on. ee : He didn’t have a shirt on. Alright. Was there -? You said this was still around his neck. When he fell off did that come away from his neck? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. He didn’t have anything around his neck when he came up. Yeah. 232 EFTA00063844

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ow oO wo wo Nh Ww WwW GS: «kay. And what was it that was around his neck? MR. THOMAS: It was either a sheet or a shirt. I don't know which one it is. A sheet or shirt. I didn’t really pay attention to it. ee : Now are the sheets and the shirts both orange? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Okay. So it wasn’t - you weren’t able to tell if it was -. MR. THOMAS: I couldn’t tell you if it was a sheet or a shirt. No I didn’t. MR. THOMAS: I didn’t look to see what it was. Now what did he look like? MR. THOMAS: Um.... A white male...? I don't know.... ee: Was he like completely purple? MR. THOMAS: No, he was - no-no-no-no. Absolutely not. He wasn’t completely -. He was just - he just looked like he’d been hanging like he just hung himself. It wasn’t like he was red or blue or his lips were like a different color. It wasn’t any of that stuff. EFTA00063845

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wo wo N ion) He was just -. HR: |= tt looked like it happened just recently or like you know -? MR. THOMAS: I mean I’m not a doctor, I couldn’t -- ee : Sure-sure-sure. MR. THOMAS: -- tell you if a doctor -. I just -. He didn’t look um. I don't say he is) didn’t look different. I mean he just -- MR. THOMAS: -- like he just hung himself. It wasn’t no discoloration of anything like that if that’s what you’re trying to get. And it like - like he just hung himself. Ee : Alright. So you don't - he didn’t’ look at that much different than when he looked when he was alive? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Didn’t look. He looked pretty much the same? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Just the - not -. Ee : Okay. And you said or did you notice anything unusual in his cell when you went in? MR. THOMAS: No. No I didn’t. EFTA00063846

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N Ww wi 1 ee : No? And you said that 2 you started CPR. 3 MR. THOMAS: Yes. Yes. 4 ee : And what did you do -? 5 MR. THOMAS: I started doing chest 7 Ee : Just chest compressions? 8 MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Just chest 9 compressions 0 HE: | ny Kind of like mouth- 11 to-mouth - 2 MR. THOMAS: No. I didn’t do any mouth- 3 to-mouth. I was doing chest compressions. It 4 took maybe about -. It wasn’t that long before 5 they came with the thing and they started doing 16 all the other stuff. I can’t remember the 7 medic name. The guy. I can’t remember his 8 name. 9 a : Alright. So did he stay 20 all kind - was it all kind of right there next 21 to the bed? 22 MR. THOMAS: Yeah, it was right there 23 until - 24 ee: Did you have to move him 25 out at all? EFTA00063847

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 dead at that time? MR. THOMAS: No he didn’t. ee : He actually seemed like he was alive? MR. THOMAS: Well he didn’t -. I don't really want to say dead or alive. But he was - I was doing chest compressions. I mean I’m not a doctor so anything like that but I just know I just kept going. I don't know if he was dead or anything at that time. | tti‘iai‘éwl Did you notice if he had like did you check for a pulse or anything like that? MR. THOMAS: The doctor was there. I know when I was doing chest compressions I didn’t stop to check for a pulse. The - I let the medical staff do that because it was somebody from medical doing that. ee : So how did you know to do chest compressions if you didn’t -. MR. THOMAS: I mean, I don't know if somebody look like they not breathing or anything like that, he’s not talking, I’m yelling out his name, he’s not -- EFTA00063850

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wo wo ] Epstein!” And I’m pushing on his upper torso. ee : Alright. SO you didn't feel for a pulse or check for breath. MR. THOMAS: No. I didn't do all that stuff. No. ee : Alright. But you believed he wasn’t breathing? MR. THOMAS: I don't believe - I don't know if he was breathing or not. I know he was just hanging, so I was just trying to get him and just your natural reaction then was to -? MR. THOMAS: Absolutely. Ee : So you don't actually know if he was breathing or -? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee: You don’t know if he was breathing. So you don't know if he was alive or not? MR. THOMAS: I don't know if he was alive or not. No. ee : Okay. So just -. Alright. So you didn’t actually check for anything. You just went right to chest EFTA00063852

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 compressions. MR. THOMAS: Yes yeah went to chest compressions and yelling. And I wasn’t getting no response. HS: «kay. Did you like hit him or anything first? MR. THOMAS: No. No. Nah. ee: Like trying to wake him MR. THOMAS: I just kept yelling his name. and I’m shaking him and doing chest compressions, that should be enough to wake somebody up for somebody to - “hey, hey” like that and I didn’t =. ee : Did they teach you CPR though? MR. THOMAS: Yes. That’s part of the ART. ee : Did they teach you that prior to doing CPR you’re supposed to like check to see if they’re alive first? MR. THOMAS: Prior to CPR the standard model is check for airways and everything like that. But in the course of the moment, I didn’t slow down and say let me see I check for responsiveness. And that’s exactly what I did. EFTA00063853

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ow oO wo wo MR. THOMAS: Cut somebody down? No. ee : Cut somebody -? No? MR. THOMAS: This was my first one. ee : That was your first time ever being the first responder? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Ee : Okay. And do they train you on that? On if you come in and find someone hanging what you’re supposed to do? MR. THOMAS: I don't remember specific training on like that but I know -. If I’m not mistaken, it’s life, limb, or something for the bureau or something. I know I’m not supposed to just let somebody sit there and hang. ee : Yeah-yep. No, I’m just saying like do they teach you how to like respond to these things? MR. THOMAS: I - mm. Maybe it’s something in ART training. I don't know. HE: «Okay. So you know CPR was done in ART but you’re not sure if it was in response to what -? MR. THOMAS: It’s in a particular response to if you see somebody hanging you do this. No. EFTA00063861

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oo wo wo Nh uw 5 that something that occurs a lot? People inmates hanging themselves at the MCC? MR. THOMAS: Not a lot but you know sometimes people have you don't know what someone else’s stressor is or what -- MR. THOMAS: -- they’re going through at iO] home. Or what they’re in for. a : Yeah. I guess what I’m asking is like does this happen like once a week, once a month, or once a year? MR. THOMAS: I’ve been there for 14 years. He’s been there a lot longer than me. Um. I’ve seen maybe about 7 hanging a : Seven hangings in that? Okay. is] MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. a : So if you were to estimate about one every two years? MR. THOMAS: If you want to break it down to that. ee : Okay. What did you do after the medical emergency was called? MR. THOMAS: After I got him down to the - EFTA00063862

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wo wo 24 No ow Rr they responded, what did you do? After they responded, I ee : You did help them? MR. THOMAS: Yes. I helped them on the carry him downstairs. ee : Now downstairs -. the second floor. To the -. the medical floor. It’s So you went all the way from the SHU all the way to the second floor? | ti‘ aié‘ésll Okay. And you were with them the whole time? un MR. THOMAS: Yes. I was with them the whole time. And the medical staff was with me. And it was a bunch of other people in the elevator at that time. ee : And what were you doing during that time? MR. THC I was holding the stretcher. EFTA00063863

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oo wo wo Nh uw No ee : Because you were one of the people -? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Yeah. ee : So was it just you and someone else? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Me and three other people holding the stretcher. I don't (Indiscernible *02:56:01) who else was there holding the, staff, help bringing him down. wn 50 it was an actual stretcher that you had to carry, not something that was like moving him? MR. THOMAS: Yeah-yeah. It’s not a stretcher. They have stretchers on the wall and near like that that you have to carry. You get him to the thing and then you just go. Did they continue life- saving efforts? MR. THOMAS: The whole time. So while he was being moved in the stretcher, people were like doing compressions? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Mm-hmm. Was there anything like on his face trying to give him air or anything EFTA00063864

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 ~) No wi It was three years ago. But -. ee : Alright. So my only question was so that’s the statement we have is that you stated she said we didn’t do the rounds. And you said we didn’t do the rounds. We messed up. It’s not | fault. And I was just wondering why you would say that it wasn’t her fault. MR. THOMAS: I don't. ee : Do you remember like -? MR. THOMAS: I really don't. I really don't. ee : Yeah. You were just uttering things. MR. THOMAS: Just uttering things like I said. I don't remember saying that. I don't remember not saying it. I don't remember when that was said or who said that I said that. Like I said I don't remember saying that. Hs: «Okay. So it wasn’t like -. The only reason that I asked is that, it sounds like you were taking responsibility for the rounds and counts. And I was just wanting to know if there was a reason why you would have been taking responsibility. Like we said, EFTA00063869

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ow oO wo No wi o you’re both responsible. I don't know why you would -- MR. THOMAS: (Indiscernible *03:00:03) ee : -- take responsibility over her in saying it’s not her fault? MR. THOMAS: I don't know why I said anything like that if I said it. ee: You don't know. MR. THOMAS: Like I said, I don't remember saying it. | tti‘iai‘éwl Okay. Um. MR. THOMAS: There was a lot going on. I really -. ee : Alright. So what is your understanding of how Epstein died? MR. THOMAS: Um, it’s been two years. He died from a hanging. ee: So do you believe he died from hanging? Do you believe he died from someone trying to murder - or someone hurting him? Do you believe that he died from the medical response? MR. THOMAS: I’m not a medical professional. I don't know. I’ve seen so many things and I’m faced with so many things. They EFTA00063870

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oo wo wo Nh uw fe) st said that he died from a hanging. ee : And being the first responder to the person in there. Do you us. i=] i) believe that is how he died now? Because you said, again, previously when I was asking you "So said I don't know if he was alive or dead. Do you believe he did die from hanging? MR. THOMAS: I never believe he died. I don't believe the conspiracy that somebody snuck into the jail catapulted -. WS:«s st answer the questions - MR. THOMAS: Oh. Ee : -- yes or no. MR. THOMAS: Oh. No. I mean yes, I believe he died from hanging. | ti‘ és You do believe he died hanging. Alright. And do you believe that Epstein took his own life? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Epstein’s life? MR. THOMAS: No. Epstein in taking his life? EFTA00063871

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ow oO wo wo No ia) ay civilians, inmates, anybody - about the safety and wellbeing of Epstein? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : Prior to Epstein dying, did you have any communications - verbal, electronic, handwritten, or otherwise - with anyone - - BOP staff members or otherwise -. So civilians, inmates, anybody - about the death of Epstein or taking Epstein’s life? MR. THOMAS: No. | tti‘iai‘éwl Did anyone ever offer you anything, such as something of value or favors, with regard to harming Epstein or taking his life? MR. THOMAS: No. a : Did anyone ever threaten you in exchange for harming Epstein or taking Epstein’s life? MR. THOMAS: No. Hs: Sere any of your family members? MR. THOMAS: No. Absolutely not. ee : So now we’re getting more back into the administrative stuff. Why wasn’t Epstein in his assigned cell on August 10, EFTA00063873

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wo wo No oO No MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : Are cell rotations - do they occur with inmates in the SHU? That you have to move them ever certain amount of days? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Ee : Alright. Who is responsible? MR. THOMAS: That’s the SHU lieutenants. a : That falls on the lieutenant? MR. THOMAS: Yeah from the SHU lieutenant. Well it falls on the SHU lieutenant to pass down to the staff members when they’re going to do cell rotations or anything like that. a : Alright. MR. THOMAS: It’s something that’s tracked. If I’m not mistaken, it might be tracked computerly. I don't know. MEN: «that so -. In the computer, who is responsible for making that change in the computer? MR. THOMAS: Oh I don't know. ee : Did you know Epstein was not in his assigned cell? EFTA00063874

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 263 MR. THOMAS: No. ee : So this is the first you’re hearing that? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Alright. Is that something that you guys are supposed to monitor or do when you’re in the SHU during your assignment? Are you supposed to make sure that inmates are in their assigned cells? MR. THOMAS: When I come on at 12:00, that’s all taken care of from - you don't move anybody at 12:00 at midnight. ee : Yeah-yeah-yeah. I just didn’t know if that’s something that you guys are supposed to like pay attention to. Like alright, this guys is supposed to be in this cell. This guy’s supposed to be in that cell. MR. THOMAS: It’s 70-something inmates or something. If 15 inmates come down on short staff and they got to move, maybe all 15 won’t get done, so maybe somebody is in a 21-day rotation, they’re probably laid over for like five or whatever couple days. But I don't know as far as you’re going by cell rotation and oh his cell rotations is up 21 days and he wasn’t EFTA00063875

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oo wo wo No fea) moved there and he was in the wrong cell. I don't know that. I don't know. MR. THOMAS: Like I said, I’m not custody. I wouldn’t deal with all that. ee : Okay. So who - I’m assuming it’s the officers who actually move them physically to different cells? MR. THOMAS: Yes. a : Who goes into the system and changes it in that BOP database? Would that also be the officers? MR. THOMAS: Officers or the operations - or the SHU lieutenant. nothing that’s done at that 12:00 a.m. to - MR. THOMAS: That is nothing that’s done at 12:00 a.m. No it’s not. a : Alright. Do you know why pill bottles were found within Epstein’s cell? MR. THOMAS: No I do not. Ee : It’s - are they - inmates allowed to have medication within their cells? MR. THOMAS: I’m sure some are allowed. ia oO “ EFTA00063876

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ow oO wo wo No oO) uw ee : They are allowed? MR. THOMAS: I’m sure that some are allowed medications. I don't know what medications they need or anything like that. ee : Do you recall ever seeing - here’s a picture I’m showing you with medication that was in Epstein’s cell. Do you recall seeing this? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : Does that look like something that he would be authorized to have with that much medication? MR. THOMAS: I don't know what they are. I don't know what they’re authorized and what they’ re not authorized. a : Okay. Just because I showed it to you, can you do you mind just initialing and dating it? MR. THOMAS: I’m sorry. I keep closing ee : Nah, no worries. And so you don't know anything about like policies are related to what they’re authorized or not authorized -? MR. THOMAS: As far as that? No. EFTA00063877

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wo wo No o nn HE: ould that be up to like medical? MR. THOMAS: Medical. Yes. ee : Okay. Are you familiar just in general, non-medical related, what inmates are authorized and not authorized -? MR. THOMAS: No I’m not. ee: You’re not even familiar MR. THOMAS: No I’m not. No. ee : Do you know if the SHU is any different than the rest of the institution of what inmates can and cannot have in their cell? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Absolutely. I’m sure it’s if (Indiscernible *03:06:02) different I don't know though because I’m sure it’s different because that’s the 23 on 1 so I’m rt sure it’s different from a regular housing unit on there to walk around. MR. THOMAS: They’re locked down 23 hours EFTA00063878

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No WwW wo wo ~] No fea) wu QQ wu het II i MR. THOMAS: -- and then 1 hour is rec. ee : Um but as far as what they’re allowed to have in their cells. MR. THOMAS: No I don’t know the book version of what they’re allowed and what they’re not allowed. ee : So do you know of other inmates are allowed to have medications in their cell at this time? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : You don't know. How many changes of clothing and linens are allowed in inmates’ cells within the SHU? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. : | Xow don't know. MR. THOMAS: That’s something that would be done prior to my shift. HE: «= Sure. So does this look like an exorbitant amount of closing and linens that are in Mr. Epstein’s cell in these pictures? MR. THOMAS: It looks like a lot um, but that could have just been -. I don't know what EFTA00063879

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 268 that’s from the previous inmate that’s left over that they didn’t take his stuff. like again, I don't know. MR. THOMAS: The inmate that left, they didn’t take his linen or not. And you can’t tell from these pictures which is ripped up and what is not ripped up is. Most inmates will get a bed sheet, rip it up, and put it up as all types of stuff that goes on. But I don't know if that’s something doing or not. It has to be broken down to alright, this is seven sheets. And if I have seven sheets or something like that then yes that’s excessive. But other than that, I don't know what they’re supposed to have within - what they’re not supposed to have, one sheet, one -. I really don't know. ee : Is it supposed to be a one-for-one exchange? MR. THOMAS: Yes. It’s a one-for-one exchange. ee: So they’re only technically supposed to have one -. MR. THOMAS: It’s two sheets one blanket I EFTA00063880

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oo wo wo No ~] Wo MR. THOMAS: Hm-mm. ee : So is that a -? If it’s supposed to be a one-for-one exchange is that like a constant problem then at the MCC? MR. THOMAS: Ina Del perfect world. Ina perfect world it couldn’t be but I like I said, I’m not custody. I’m not always up there like that. And when, as you can see, all the linen fu =] o i a wu ct i) ct i=] Fh Ph t wo fu lready done. talked about his briefly. But what material w was used to take Epstein’s life in August 2019? MR. THOMAS: I don't know what is that a sheet or a shirt? I don't know exactly what it if) | ti‘ és This orange cotton which could be either -- MR. THOMAS: A sheet or a shirt. Hs 2-02 sheet or a shirt. Okay. MR. THOMAS: A sheet or a shirt. ee : Does this appear to be what it was that removed from Mr. Epstein? ) MR. THOMAS: It appears to be. Yes. C EFTA00063885

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ow oO wo No ~l] r ee : Okay. Can you just walk me through? Like this thing specifically looks like it’s still intact. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. ee : Did you have to rip it off or slide it over his head? MR. THOMAS: No, not -. What are you ‘ talking about was this still intact? Yeah. took that off his head. I guess I took it off his head. I don't remember I did, but I guess I took it off him. But like I said when I ripped it, it was tied to the other portion of it. ee : Okay. So maybe -. MR. THOMAS: That’s what I mean when I ripped it off, like that just when I just pulled it off. ee : Okay. So maybe it could have also been possible was that this part that’s what was actually connected and this is the part that you possibly ripped? MR. THOMAS: Just pushed off. Yeah like that. It probably just slipped through or whatever the case be through that. EFTA00063886

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Nh ~l uw 1 ripped it. You said you ripped it off. 2 MR. THOMAS: Yeah ripped it. I just 3 ripped it from the piece that’s still dangling. 4 ee : You don't recall actually 5 sliding it? 6 MR. THOMAS: I don’t recall. If it’s Q still intact, maybe it did. I don't recall 8 taking it off but -- QO again, I don’t know that that was what was 11 actually around his neck. 2 MR. THOMAS: I don't know. 3 ee : But that does appear to 4 be probably what was around his neck? wo 20 © |B does that look like 21 something like what you recall when you did 22 take if off of him? 23 MR. THOMAS: Yes. 24 ee: Alright. Just because I 25 showed it, you want to just initial and date. EFTA00063887

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 looks like there’s a portion left back on here. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. a : Was that attached to this? MR. THOMAS: I don't -. like he said, he said that was the portion that -. like I said, when I remember ripping all that down, I don't know if I just if it slipped through or whatever the case may be. I just remember going like this and he going to the ground. And then we started doing chest compressions. ee : And he came off easily? MR. THOMAS: Yes he came off easily. It didn’t come off too hard. HN: nc you don't recall trying to -? MR. THOMAS: I don't recall taking the noose off. I really don't. I don't recall taking the thing from around his neck. a : Do you remember if the linen ripped so it’s separated from this or if this is possibly the same thing as that? Do you recall when you ripped it. Do you remember if it like tore and broke and came into two separate pieces? MR. THOMAS: I don't. 278 EFTA00063890

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ow oO wo wo MR. THOMAS: a : So when you looked into his Was the lights on and stuff? I don't remember. cell. MR. THOMAS: I want to say the lights was on. I think the lights was on. And he didn’t answer. So you had to Okay. You knocked on the cell. open MR. THOMAS: opening the - turning the key to open the cell Yeah. actually or was the cell already open? MR. THOMAS: Nah. The cell was - I had to open the cell. You saw this. Now I want to - in this picture, Okay. And you walked in. I saw something. This picture right here. The one you initialed. You see the mattress on the floor? MR. THOMAS: a : Was that on the floor when you walked in? Okay. MR. THOMAS: I don't remember. I don’t know. No ~] io EFTA00063891

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 a : Because he would have been technically he would have been laying here, right? MR. THOMAS: Yeah, he’s off to -- a : On the right side? MR. THOMAS: -- the side. Yeah, you can’t see the -. You can’t see this side right here. But he’s off to this side. MR. THOMAS: Because there’s a lip like you said there’s a lip right here is covering that side of the wall. a : And this mattress. Where does that belong. Up here on top? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. If that one’s on the floor yeah, that belongs on the top. a : And you don't recall all of this laying around or anything? MR. THOMAS: No I don't. No I don't. WN: ie’ re just trying to get an idea. Was the cell a mess or anything like that? MR. THOMAS: It could be a totally different things because I’ve seen inmates like it looked like that and they mattress on the EFTA00063892

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wo wo Nh fea) rare floor. Some inmates sleep on the floor. Just because it’s a bunkbed, they don't have to sleep on the top. Some people just sleep on the floor. And then. I mean, I’m just saying because all that stuff was up top there, maybe he just slept on the floor. I don't know. ee: Alright. Now we’re going back to the linens. MR. = fw it ts ue} a ct @ b 5 Q f < o 5 wu 5 MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : You’re not sure. If he was, what shift would typically take care of that. MR. THOMAS: It could be day watch or evening watch. Hs: §9= So either of the two other shifts? MR. THOMAS: Yeah. ee : Okay. Was - do you know if anything was in Epstein’s cell that should not have been in there? EFTA00063893

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 282 MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : Can you tell me a little bit about cell searches and how they work in the SHU? MR. THOMAS: Um.... They usually conduct it on the day shift. Because that’s when most people are around just in case you have an uncooperative inmate. And you check the cell for contraband. Contraband can be anywhere from a leftover tray being in there to too much papers. Inmates who get mail, too many papers left in there which is called nuisance trash. ME: 02 MR. THOMAS: But it all depends on anybody else. Who is conducting it. ee : And this isn’t regarding your specific shift. I mean it discussed your shift, but for cell searches this shows it’s the MCC New York Special Post Order Special Housing Unit. For here it says, “All SHU staff are expected to conduct searches of the special housing unit. The morning watch officer will conduct searches of the common areas and document their findings in the search section of the TruScape program. The day watch EFTA00063894

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 283 officers will conduct a search of every inmate’s cell who attends recreation. The evening watch officers will conduct a minimum of five cell searches during their shift. The entire special housing unit will be searched each and every week.” Um, do you know, is that your understanding of what the policy is? MR. THOMAS: Uh, yes. ee : Do you know if the other - if MCC was following this policy? The officers that were assigned. Were they actually conducting -- ? MR. THOMAS: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. es : Um do you have any knowledge of anybody conducting cell searches in the SHU? MR. THOMAS: I’m sure that they do. like I said, I’m not custody up there during the day and during the evening, so I don't know what their - what time and no specific time when those have to be done. So I don't know. ee: Alright. And again, just because I showed it to you. Do you mind just initialing page 5 of 14 on the uh special post EFTA00063895

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wo wo 24 one inmate. was there. you belie because | | was there you followed the policy? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Yeah. I’m not worried about. a : So you said that after the medical emergency, you actually went down with them to the second floor. Did anything happen with Epstein’s body on the way? guys like drop the stretcher -- MR. THOR MR. THOMAS: No. No. that? fu s K rt a Pp s maintained? What about when you were getting him on to the stretcher? Was he - did he doa smooth transition floor up to the stretcher? MR. THOMAS: As far as I can remember. I don't really recall directly, but -- EFTA00063899

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wo wo 24 files inside his cell? guys have that you maintain for the inmates. No, I didn’t touch any of ee : I think they are called No, I didn’t touch er touch them during your shifts? MR. THOMAS: During a shift? No. Well excuse me. Let me change that. After you finish feeding, you t i= wu rt rT) mark that you fed ybody. But not a paperwork thing, I think - if I’m not mistaken that’s done on the computer. ee : Okay. So that’s not N o ar EFTA00063903

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wo wo 24 N io oo - would you typically interact? MR. THOMAS: Yes. Well if they just for the count to help them count. ee : Okay. Would that - would he personally -? What time would he be on too? person that showed up at 5:30 a.m. in the SHU? MR. was on for the morning watch. If on there from 12:00 Somebody coming in at 5:30? a : -- who showed up at 5:30 MR. THOMAS: No, I don't recall anybody o coming in at 5:3 t 5:30 a.m.? anybody fu MR. THOMAS: No, I don't remember anybody ee: Alright. But there’s no EFTA00063910

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wo wo decision, it’s something that needed immediate attention, would they have sent out - MR. THOMAS: Above my paygrade. No would they have normally sent it out to all staff? MR. THOMAS: No. It doesn’t have to. asked you a question about could anyone have come in and out of 9 South. Out of the SHU. 10 South. Out of 10 South, but out of the SHU. If you were sleeping -- MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. -- is it possible someone could have came on to the - into the SHU and left without you knowing if you were sleeping? MR. THOMAS: No. them in? I would have to let them in. Is there any other way they could have got in without you letting them in? MR. THOMAS: No. that they could have used? Because you would have to let Could someone else have a key EFTA00063913

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Let’s just say you guys were both asleep at one point. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. a : For a couple of hours. Would she have filled it up - signed those sheets before or after? Because she would not have committed those - she wouldn’t have done those rounds. Did you ever see her pull those round sheets out and initial them? MR. THOMAS: No. I really wasn’t paying attention to what she was doing. I really don't remember. a : Have you ever worked in the SHU with JJ before? MR. THOMAS: It’s possible. I don't know - I don't really remember. Maybe I have. I don't really remember. It’s possible, but like I said, I don't know. a : Okay. The reason I ask is that if you’ve never worked with || before, and you said that most of the times you do the rounds and the counts. MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. a : Would it have been kind of awkward that both of you guys sat down, didn’t EFTA00063915

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 304 discuss the fact you’re not going to do the counts, didn’t discuss the fact you’re not going to do the rounds, and just sat down, slept, and - you know, went on the computer. But no one spoke about the facts but someone -— between both of you guys, you initialed the round - the count slips and also the round sheets? MR. THOMAS: Speaking of, I don't believe that we had any conversations. I don't really remember any conversations that we had or anything like that. There are some things that are just not spoken about. It could have been - like I said, I was exhausted. Hey, listen, I did whatever-whatever. And she did whatever- whatever. And that was it. MR. THOMAS: There wasn’t no -. a : If you worked with her in the past, does that mean you guys did the same thing in the past? MR. THOMAS: No. ee : And just knew that -? MR. THOMAS: No, it doesn’t mean that. Absolutely not. EFTA00063916

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 a : How come either of you didn’t nudge each other to say, let’s go? MR. THOMAS: I can’t say what happened. What was going on with her. I knew what was going on with me. I was just, as you could see by my um, roster. And that’s not my work roster. That’s just my overtime roster that you all pulled up and brought to me. It’s every day. Every day. And I was just ina -. Had things that I had going on at the time. | tti‘iai‘éwl I think the point being there, and again because you’re under oath, we just want to make sure -- MR. THOMAS: Mm-hmm. ee : -- that we’re clear here. Is the fact that -- MR. THOMAS: It wasn’t a discussion though. ee : -- it was like an unspoken thing that you guys did. But it seemed to be so natural that you didn’t conduct any rounds or any counts. So it just seems odd that that wouldn’t have happened like that in the past. If there was no discussions that were had. 305 EFTA00063917

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 306 MR. THOMAS: Like I said, I - if I did work with her, I don't remember if I did or not. I mean it’s quite possible. I don't remember everybody that I work with in the SHU. So um, but it wasn’t something that we just spoke about. a : Isn’t it kind of awkward that the one night that both of you guys decided that the rounds are not going to be done, the counts are not going to be done, that this incident happens? MR. THOMAS: It is. a : Is it possible that -- MR. THOMAS: But it’s never happened before so of course it’s an awkward thing. a : Is it possible that you guys haven’t done any of the rounds or counts on shifts before? MR. THOMAS: No, that’s not possible. I wouldn’t put that all - to label one night for every night that happens in the SHU. Absolutely not. I wouldn’t label that. ee: He admitted already that he didn’t conduct all of the counts and rounds he’s documented, but he thinks he’s done the EFTA00063918

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 majority of them. Is that correct? MR. THOMAS: I said I’m not perfect. MR. THOMAS: And I’ve done my rounds. I’ve done all my rounds all the time but that I’m not a perfect person. I may have slipped up here or there sometime, but I have done my rounds. Just one particular night I was -. ee : But not -. I think what you said before you didn’t -. You’re not perfect. You haven’t done all of your rounds but that mostly. MR. THOMAS: I would say that on schedule that I do my rounds 90% - 95.9% of the time. And sometimes I don't do the half an hour, I do it at the hour. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Well what about -? MR. THOMAS: You know what I mean? But it’s still the rounds getting conducted. HE: nc what about for the counts? And now we’re talking specifically for the SHU. MR. THOMAS: We’re talking about £. specifically for the SHU, I usually get every count done - every count done. EFTA00063919

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 a : Okay. So and again, if we go back to actually the video and check to see if you’re doing the counts, is that - again, and I’m only saying this because I was to just remind you you’re under oath. MR. THOMAS: I understand. ae : And this is where that we can bring this back up to like -. MR. THOMAS: I totally understand. If you go back to the video, you will see that you’1ll catch me doing my rounds or you’ll catch me doing my counts. Like I said, then that’s when I said whereas I’m not perfect. Like I said 95. Maybe one oh hold up you know he didn’t do this one. An hour went by but he did it at an hour and one minute. So then technically, by the paperwork that I didn’t do it every half an hour. Correct? If I do it over every hour, technically by the paperwork I didn’t do a half an hour round I did an hour round. ae: But you would have to still certify that you did it every half hour. MR. THOMAS: No, you don't have to certify that you did every half hour. I don't believe that it has to be. If you write on that paper 308 EFTA00063920

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 that I did it every hour, it’s just when a round was conducted. When I conducted the round. ee : So in order for the rounds to be completed, you don't have to actually sign it every 30 minutes? MR. THOMAS: It could be -. I’m not saying that it has to. It’s supposed to be done every 30 minutes. But if I didn’t do it every 30 minutes, and I did one an hour, that’s when I wrote that time on there. ee : Alright. So you wouldn’t then go back and fill in that 30 minutes? MR. THOMAS: No I wouldn’t go back and fill it in. a : Like see how they have like - so you would leave one blank of it wasn’t conducted? MR. THOMAS: No, you wouldn’t leave one blank. Because somebody would tell you to fill it in. If I did it -. a : That’s what I’m saying. MR. THOMAS: If it was from 12:30 to 1:00 and I did the round once, so I just put 12:30 to 1:00. Like you’1ll see some round sheets it EFTA00063921

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it at - I did a fast round. I did it from 12:52 to 12:59. The round is still conducted. But even though the last though, you’re caught up in the -. I understand because it’s in black and white. It’s not just done just like that. It can be done at any given time as long as the round is conducted. It doesn’t have to be -. By policy it’s supposed to be in the 30- minute block. That’s when you’re talking policy. But -. | tti‘aswd Would 30 to 40 yeah. MR. THOMAS: 30 to 40 minute block but like I say, if I did it at 12:10 and did it at 12:40 and then right here I wanted to just - because I wanted to get a round done, I conduct it at 12:52 to 12:59, it’s still within that block. It’s still conducted. ee : Well that’s conducting a around. Correct. But what I thought you said it was like you might not do it for a whole hour. MR. THOMAS: But that - but I’m -. Excuse me, I apologize. That’s a 12:10 to 12:40 to 12:42, I’m saying that’s an hour. Because that’s pretty much - we’ve got 20 minutes - 10 EFTA00063923

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 minutes before and 10 minutes after. Then you have the hour. But that’s the whole hour. So if I did it for 12:00 to 1:00, then I did from 1:00 to 2:00. It’s still conducted. It’s just not conducted in your 30-minute span as you say. I didn’t do the in between but it’s still conducted. You see what I’m saying? MR. THOMAS: Okay. ee : Because you’re talking about one to two, that’s a whole hour. And we’re not talking about within 30 minutes. MR. THOMAS: But within the 30 minutes, that’s not doing it every 30 minutes like how it’s supposed to be done. But then if I did it 12:00 to 1:00, it’s still conducted, but it’s not conducted the correct way. A round is still conducted, but it’s not conducted the correct way. No? Hs: =o. Because -. MR. THOMAS: Do you understand? a : No I understand what you’re saying. you’re doing one round within an hour and you EFTA00063924

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have to document it one round every 30 minutes, so you can only then fill out one of these blocks. Which one are you going to fill out? Or are you going to do the e same thing in an identical place - 12:09, 12:09? MR. THOMAS: Yeah, you just -. ae : But at 12:30 will there be identical blocks that you’re - identical times that you’re -. MR. THOMAS: Well that’s up to the person. | tti‘iai‘éwl But what you’re saying is that if you did it at 12:25 and ended at 12:35, that covered those 30 minutes. MR. THOMAS: No, you still put that in the one block. a : You’re saying the start time and end time -. MR. THOMAS: No, you still put that in the one block. You’re being - if I did it from 12:25 and at 12:30, I would still put that in that one block. And then this next one, whatever the time is, like I said 12:41. And then 12:00 to 12:42 because remember, this is just a tier. This is not the whole round. This is just a tier. So what you’re saying is EFTA00063925

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wo wo 1210. this is 12 - 1 to 1210. See is just the one tier - G tier. MR. THOMAS: Yep. So then you’ve got 1211 to one tier. Remember, this is just ee : Sure. Each one of these is a different tier. MR. THOMAS: Each one is just the tier. So it’s MR. THOMAS: -- it’s taking a minute a tier. cht MR. THOMAS: So that’s one tier. Then you’ve got another (Indiscernible *03:38:09). tier. one. 12:05 to 12 That’s just one wu. Not the - I’m doing 12:45 so then the whole thing. from whole round was MR. THOMAS: Yeah-yeah. So now you have to get so 12:05 to 12:20-something is when that done in a 20-minute span. Do you got me or are you totally lost? saying. You did it I understand what you’re within the hour. EFTA00063926

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 MR. THOMAS: That -. MR. a : Right? And you mark -. But here’s the thing. You’re signing off or initialing according to the fact that you’ve done the count within that time period. Is that right or wrong? MR. THOMAS: Yeah-yeah. She initialed that she did it between 12:09 and 1210. ae : No-no. Let’s forget about it. Just talk about you. MR. THOMAS: Okay. a : When you do your rounds. MR. THOMAS: When I do - well I haven’t done a round in over two or something years. do my rounds 12:00 to 12:10. I mean 12:00 to 12:30. In that block. If I did it the incorrect way, I did it from 12 - it’s still - I got it in between that time. But I still wrote it 12:00 to 12:30. So 12:00 to 1:00. WN: Okay. Ican’t -. ae : I don't even understand what your question is. ee : No-no-no. I’11 come back to this another part. When do you think these initials were put on? Ww a uw EFTA00063927

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oo wo WwW a nn MR. THOMAS: I don't know when she wrote on the paper. I don’t know when she did it. a : When did these round sheets get submitted? MR. THOMAS: At the end of the day. a : End of the day. MR. THOMAS: End of the whole workday not the end of every work period - every eight hours. You wouldn’t happen to know if she went back and signed these after -- MR. THOMAS: I wouldn’t know. -- the incident happened? MR. THOMAS: No. I don't know. H fs} iw ct B w b b oO Q MR. THOMAS: Like I said, I lost track of It sounds like it may -. It looks like if this is you’re saying that she did these rounds at 6:10, 6:11, um. What time MR. THOMAS: They’re not in order. ee : What time does breakfast get there? MR. THOMAS: Breakfast is no standard EFTA00063928

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ow oO wo Ww a ~) time. Especially not on the weekends. You’re talking about on a Saturday. ee : The last one she wrote was 6:13. So you assume that she did it right before you know you discovered Epstein. MR. THOMAS: Could have been. A: that would be the assumption. MR. THOMAS: That would be the assumption by the binder. I can’t remember what time the food cart came up. ee : But you didn’t witness her actually signing -- MR. THOMAS: No, I don't when she put her signature on that. a : You don't remember like talking? Like hey, I’m going to grab the food cart. You take care of the round sheets? MR. THOMAS: No. Hm-mm. He: «No? «Alright. Just that that whole thing that we just talked about mM ° isn’t convoluted. What we talked about before was that you’ve done the majority of the counts and rounds but not all of them. MR. THOMAS: I usually just plan on doing EFTA00063929

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ow oO oo wo wo some but not a lot. When I say falsified, you wrote in that you conducted them, but they weren’t actually conducted. MR. THOMAS: No. That’s not what I’m saying. I wrote that - I wrote that I wrote in my rounds. Ee : For the count slips though. We’re saying -. MR. THOMAS: MR. THOMAS: -- you’re talking about the Yeah, I think -- That wasn’t the first -. counts? This is the rounds or the counts slips. (Indiscernible *03:41:16)) We’re taking the MR. THOMAS: I said I’m not -. I said that I’m not perfect. MR. THOMAS: Right. You know what I mean. I don't want to sit up here that I’m 100% perfect. What I’m saying is that I did my - I’m usually spot on with doing my rounds and doing what I’m supposed to do as far as the n course of my job. EFTA00063931

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 that these - any time you’re worked in the SHU, and you marked off - people have marked off that you did them every 30 minutes. MR. THOMAS: I don't know what people marked off. I only know what I do. When I usually I get my stuff done. Ee : So when you're in the SHU on all those overtime shifts that we just showed you, you’re doing rounds every 30 minutes? MR. THOMAS: I can’t say that I don't rounds every 30 minutes. ee : That’s the question. MR. THOMAS: Okay. I can’t say that I did rounds every 30 minutes. No, I can’t say that I did rounds every 30 minutes. | ti‘ és So some of -. You’re doing them most of the time, but some of them are marked off when they weren’t actually conducted? MR. THOMAS: Maybe. Maybe. a : Okay. And same thing with the count slips. You’ve done most of the count slips -. MR. THOMAS: No. I usually get my counts EFTA00063932

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ow oO wo wo done. Usually I get my counts done. ee : But not all of them. So if we go back and we find sometimes you didn’t do it -. MR. THOMAS: You can go back -. ee : We’re probably going to find - if we’re reviewing video -. MR. THOMAS: Of 14 years, you may have me one time where I didn’t get one done. talking about like August and July. If we go back and review those, we’re going to find at least a few that weren’t conducted and that were written in. Is that correct? MR. THOMAS: I actually don't know. I honestly don't know. | ti‘ aié‘ésll Because I thought we already covered this and you already said -. MR. THOMAS: We did already cover that. But I honestly don't know. I honestly don't know. Ee : I thought in my understanding from eh conversation was that yep, there’s count slips that I’ve created in the past. Most of them I’ve conducted, some of EFTA00063933

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ow oO wo wo Ww N No them aren’t going - you know. some of them, yes I just signed them and put in the count number. But I - you know, especially between the hours of 12:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. MR. THOMAS: That’s all my overtime right there is the 12:00 a.m. to -. Ee : Right. That’s what I’m saying. MR. THOMAS: Except for one day watch. ee : Because there’s that. So like not every 12:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m., and 5:00 a.m. count was conducted during a shift. MR. THOMAS: I don't know. ee : Most of them but not all of them. MR. THOMAS: I don’t - I want to say - I want to say all but I honestly don't know. I want to say all. I want to say all. But then I’m not trying to get caught up in a lie and say, oh no, this one time that I didn’t do it. ae : No-no-no. I’m just trying to reconcile -- MR. THOMAS: That’s what I’m saying. ee: -- what we talked about like two hours ago. EFTA00063934

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ow oO wo wo MR. THOMAS: Exactly. ee : Because two hours ago - MR. THOMAS: I said I wasn’t perfect. And so maybe I didn’t get one done or not. I don't know. Like I said, I’m not perfect. I didn’t get maybe I didn’t get one of those, but I don't know. That’s exactly what I said two hours ago. ee : You know, my understanding was that you -. Okay. So you’re saying you believe actually your count slips are -. MR. THOMAS: I believe my count slips are good. I believe they are good. ee : Okay. So when we go back and review the video, we’re going to see that you were actually doing them? MR. THOMAS: You’re going to see that I get my counts done. Yes. HE: «8d same thing for your rounds? MR. THOMAS: You should see me get most of my rounds done. that you’re saying this, we have to go back and EFTA00063935

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ow oO wo wo Ww N uw and the count slips? MR. THOMAS: I have not completed all my ee : Alright. So in the past rn prior to August 10, 2019, there are times that you were in the SHU that you didn’t conduct all of your counts, but you did certify that they were conducted? Is that correct? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : Alright. And same thing for the rounds. Are there times that you certified on the round sheets that they were conducted but they were - or you or the person that you were working with certified that they were conducted when they in fact were not conducted? MR. THOMAS: Yes. ee : And I know you were saying like before like estimates. But like how often would that happen? MR. THOMAS: I really couldn’t tell you. Ee : Was it a regular occurrence? MR. THOMAS: I really don't know. A: «0? «But it did happen in EFTA00063937

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N But you’re not sure how WwW 5 MR. THOMA 7 like to follow-up with additional questioning 8 on that? a : During those times when QO didn’t commit - conduct the rounds or the 11 counts. Was it only with a: I mean wo MR. THOMAS: I don't remember if I worked WwW 4 if I worked with her before or not. 5 a : Okay. Which other COs were 16 you working with when this incidents happened? ] MR. THOMAS: I’ve been there for 14 years. 8 I can’t remember exactly who. I really don't wo cnow who I worked with at that time. No. I don't know. I don't happened or not. a : Okay. That’s all. Ww 24 EFTA00063938

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So I want to make we covered pretty ies) N o Nothing. Because much everything. wo wo MR. THOMAS: No problem. I’m here whenever you all need me again. a quick review and make sure that we’re good. Alright. Let me just do And hopefully this can be it. Alright. Are you confident with all of your answers again knowing that you’re under oath? There’ fa nothing that you want to clarify before we end this. This would be the time to do that. Any Any kind of additional -. MR. THOMAS: No, sir. HE: «0? No additional information? MR. THOMAS: Nope. ee : No questions that we’re missing that we should ask? MR. THOMAS: Nope. ee : No. Um, alright. This is Senior Special Agent Re. It is currently 2:21 p.m. on June 17, 2021. And I turning off the recorder. EFTA00063940

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Ca) A2-157:17 AART - 16:21 Able - 26:15, 31:22, 129:15, 152:23, 180:7, 181:22, 205:17, 224:17, 233:10 Abnormal - 272:19, 272:21, 272:24 Above - 5:20, 72:19, 72:21, 72:25, 74:1, 97:22, 270:23, 301:3, 324:12 Academy - 3:13 Access - 205:18, 206:11, 206:12, 212:17, 212:21, 293:1, 293:8, 293:25, 296:17 Accessed - 297:5, 299:2 Accessing - 293:15 According - 107:17, 315:4 Accordingly - 5:11 Accuracy - 19:4 Across - 205:4 Act - 5:7 Acted - 286:4 Action - 5:13, 137:17, 286:8, 286:11 Actions - 131:24 Active - 11:9, 198:24 Activities - 100:5, 101:12, 101:22, 102:6, 102:17, 102:19, 102:22, 103:1, 103:9, 103:12, 104:1, 104:3, 110:17 Activity - 181:20 Actual - 19:21, 31:25, 32:1, 159:19, 159:20, 220:17, 252:10 Add - 9:17, 299:19, 299:25, 324:20, 327:1, 327:10 Additional - 84:16, 271:11, 326:7, 328:13, 328:15 Address - 8:23, 15:1 Adjacent - 196:3 Adjoining - 80:1 Administration - 68 9 Administrative - 26 1:24, 294:7, 294:22, 295:4 Admitted - 306:23 Advise - 244:25 Advisory - 7:8 AED - 236:2, 244:14, 244:15, 244:25, 246:20, 246:21, 246:22, 24771, 248:7 Affiliated - 71:17 Affiliation - 269:21 Against - 5:13, 5:24, 205:10, 205:11 Agency - 5:16 Ago - 92:22, 92:24, 246:25, 257:1, 284:10, 322:25, 323:2, 323:8 Agree - 4:18, 6:2 Ah - 211:25, 260:1, 292:17 Air - 21:7, 252:25 Airways - 241:22 Alive - 26:19, 144:19, 219:23, 234:17, 238:4, 238:6, 240:19, 240:21, 241:20, 242:8, 247:5, 248:2, 259:6 Allegations - 4:13 Alleged - 4:12, 5:8 Allow - 122:24, 299:7 Allowed - 125:25, 127:7, 197:18, 197:20, 202:1, 202:5, 205:19, 206:7, 206:9, 206:15, 264:23, 264:24, 265:1, 265:3, 267:5, 267:7, 267:8, 267:10, 267:14 Allowing - 296:20, 299:5 Allows - 122:3 Almost - 164:2, 178:6, 184:11, 244:2 Alone - 37:14, 37:17, 47:16, 63:19, 116:13, 201:4, 201:19, 202:2 Along - 74:23, 208:24 Already - 59:14, 76:13, 81:21, 166:15, 169:23, 179:18, 202:24, 269:17, 270:14, 273:10, 279:13, 306:23, 321:18, 321:19 Altering - 293:11 Although - 108:5 Always - 41:17, 82:5, 82:13, 90:6, 118:1, 175:22, 175:24, 176:10, 201:2, 204:21, 204:23, 246:5, 273:8, 286:25, 318:6 i a Am - 3:23, 4:1, 4:3, 5:20, 6:8, 7:8, 97:21, 216:17, 224:16, 226:25, 270:21, 328:24 Amended - 5:7 Amount - 202:1, 262:5, 267:21 And/Or - 286:7 Annuals - 28:23 Answer - 5:12, 5:14, 5:21, 76:14, 99:17, 259:11, 279:8 Answered - 12:14 Answers - 4:17, 4:23, 98:22, 328:9 Anybody - 5:25, 49:5, 87:10, 190:20, 192:18, 200:12, 248:9, 261:1, 261:8, 263:12, 282:14, 283:16, 292:3, 292:7, 297:1, 298:18, 298:22, 298:23 Anyway - 212:10 Anywhere - 103:17, 103:24, 230:7, 230:11, 282:9 Apart - 196:2 Apologize - 85:21, 131:21, 284:9, 311:23 Appear - 35:18, 273:23, 275:13 Appeared - 7:5 Appears - 110:19, 272:14, 272:15, 273:25 Approach - 126:21 Appropriate - 86:24 » 131:24 Appropriately - 286 4 Approximately - 57 214, 62:1, 111:23, 129:15, 151:1, 190:6, 195:6, 209:11, 215:1, 216:9, 218:12, 289:15 April - 12:22, 12:25, 18:21, 20:4, 23:15, 246:9 Areas - 208:6, 282:23 Aren't - 172:6, 172:10, 205:23, 322:1 Army - 11:7, 11:8, 11:14, 11:15, 12:8 Arounds - 139:25, 140:1 Arrival - 286:14 Arrive - 51:15, 51:17 Arrived - 60:23, 60:24, 61:3, 61:24 ART - 31:2, 31:3, 31:4, 31:6, 31:8, 31:13, 31:18, 32:2, 32:21, 38:8, 38:9, 38:20, 241:17, 246:4, 246:5, 246:7, 249:19, 249:21 Aside - 30:21, 41:2, 84:18, 144:8, 144:9, 181:8, 181:19, 193:24, 296:5, 299:2, 324:16 Asked - 4:17, 5:2, 85:20, 170:6, 257:21, 270:17, 301:8 Asking - 31:22, 32:6, 69:11, 87:7, 87:16, 230:13, 239:17, 250:11, 259:5 Asleep - 141:19, 142:3, 195:10, 195:16, 197:8, 198:13, 199:2, 200:2, 303:1 Assign - 75:7, 136:7, 136:9 Assigning - 29:10, 67:15 Assignment - 13:15 , 34:15, 99:2, 263:8, 297:10 Assignments - 19:1 4, 36:1 Assist - 204:23, 204:25, 205:1, 242:24, 259:24, 260:10, 260:13 Assistance - 217:7, 217:14 Assisted - 169:15 Associate - 93:19, 94:5 Assume - 152:19, 153:5, 216:20, 277:8, 277:15, 317:4 Assuming - 28:1, 39:25, 51:14, 82:21, 175:22, 176:1, 186:2, 264:7, 296:5 Assumption - 152:2 0, 317:8, 317:9 Assurances - 4:25, 5:20 Attached - 19:17, 166:8, 226:14, 226:15, 226:16, 226:18, 227:6, 278:3 Attainable - 11:23 Attempting - 53:8 Attend - 13:4, 16:9, 17:3 Attends - 283:2 Attention - 64:7, 84:21, 85:8, 85:14, 211:23, 233:5, 263:15, 301:2, 303:11 Attorney - 3:16, 4:4, 5:25, 8:1, 11:13, 14:24, 98:2, 324:17 Attorneys - 41:12 Authorization - 75: 21 Auto - 9:9 Autopsy - 230:13 AW - 95:6, 95:7, 95:10, 95:13 Awake - 197:11 Aware - 41:11, 47:3, 50:4, 55:3, 77:20, 86:6, 137:18, 192:10, 207:8 Away - 37:16, 81:16, 81:17, 179:13, 195:25, 232:22 Awesome - 18:23, 21:15, 21:23, 30:20, 35:16, 157:12, 158:23 Awkward - 303:25, 306:7, 306:15 Aws - 94:5, 94:11, EFTA00063942

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94:16, 94:18, 95:1 B2 - 157:17 Background - 71:1 6 Bad - 151:12, 173:25, 174:2, 179:25 Banging - 220:7 Base - 73:13, 74:5, 133:14, 133:19, 134:9, 134:24, 150:22, 221:10 Basic - 9:24 Basically - 33:9, 37:2, 41:13, 140:18, 146:15, 180:22, 180:25, 230:21 Basis - 5:2 Bathroom - 191:4, 191:10, 191:11, 191:21 Beat - 53:11, 53:13, 53:17, 53:20, 54:1 Become - 101:6 Bed - 223:8, 223:9, 235:21, 268:9, 269:17 Behalf - 147:3 Behind - 285:16, 285:17 Beings - 141:25 Belief - 153:3, 327:12 Believed - 56:8, 240:7 Bell - 118:18, 120:5, 120:24, 120:25, 121:3, 122:10 Belong - 280:14 Belongs - 280:16 Below - 6:6, 186:25, 276:17, 276:20 Besides - 29:9, 165:5, 194:15, 194:18, 219:8, 295:13, 297:2 Bid - 30:8, 113:17, 113:18 Big - 79:24, 165:7, 165:10, 165:11, 165:20 Binder - 317:10 Birth - 9:2 Bit - 9:18, 26:9, 76:19, 138:16, 172:17, 179:12, 199:7, 246:14, 276:17, 276:20, 282:3 Black - 114:3, 168:17, 311:5 Blank - 309:17, 309:20 Blanket - 46:21, 83:4, 142:13, 268:25, 269:1 Blink - 237:23 Block - 310:7, 310:10, 310:14, 311:9, 311:12, 311:17, 313:15, 313:19, 313:21, 315:16 Blocks - 313:3, 313:8 Blue - 233:24 Bodies - 199:3 Body - 142:17, 142:18, 142:19, 142:20, 143:24, 145:6, 230:6, 230:10, 231:7, 276:21, 276:24, 287:13, 287:18, 295:9, 299:14 Book - 22:7, 22:8, 120:9, 166:25, 267:6 Books - 22:9 Boom - 140:3 BOPWARE - 293:2 Bored - 199:5 Bother - 104:4, 178:4 Bottles - 264:20 Bottom - 87:21, 157:24, 158:3, 182:3, 182:4 Boxer - 232:15 Branch - 11:6 Bravo - 12:12 Break - 96:16, 97:17, 223:14, 223:15, 223:16, 223:25, 250:21, 270:17, 296:15, 324:11 Breakfast - 118:13, 118:15, 316:23, 316:25 Break's - 270:14 Breath - 239:2, 239:3, 239:6, 239:7, 239:19, 240:3, 242:20, 244:18 Breathing - 142:12, 238:22, 239:12, 239:14, 240:7, 240:9, 240:16, 240:19 Briefly - 13:21, 16:8, 32:23, 78:19, 119:23, 273:12 Bring - 20:25, 119:2, 121:8, 308:8 Bringing - 52:11, 52:12, 52:14, 52:17, 252:9 Broadly - 24:12 Broke - 278:23 Broken - 268:12 Brought - 44:25, 118:19, 305:8 Building - 102:13, 103:18, 103:24, 119:17, 128:11 Bull - 199:11 Bullet - 173:23 Bunch - 20:15, 21:13, 63:23, 87:23, 134:10, 148:17, 237:17, 251:21, 294:25 Bunk - 225:21, 226:15, 226:16, 226:19, 236:5 Bunkbed - 281:2 Bureau - 3:6, 12:20, 249:13 Butt - 230:22, 230:23, 230:24, 230:25, 276:22 a C&A - 149:22, 149:23, 150:4 Calling - 74:8, 171:20, 239:14 Calls - 289:23 Camera - 121:25, 192:11, 192:18, 193:6, 194:11, 194:25, 254:1 Cameras - 121:24, 183:4, 183:5, 193:10, 193:11, 193:13, 193:17, 193:19, 193:22, 194:5, 194:14, 194:19, 200:12 | Cannot - 266:16 Captain - 90:19, 95:17, 96:2, 96:7, 96:18, 96:22, 97:4, 97:7, 97:10, 102:1 Capture - 194:21 Care - 66:1, 66:7, 263:11, 281:16, 317:18 Career - 13:17 Carried - 256:11 Carry - 245:9, 251:5, 251:8, 252:11, 252:15 Carrying - 254:19 Cart - 118:13, 118:15, 118:19, 118:20, 208:25, 215:7, 215:8, 215:16, 215:21, 215:22, 215:23, 224:20, 317:11, 317:18 Cases - 33:7 Catapulted - 259:10 Catch - 308:11 Caught - 311:3, 322:19 Cause - 56:17 Cellie - 63:17 Cellmates - 37:11, 47:4, 64:6, 64:14 Cellmate's - 131:8 Centralized - 186:2 Certain - 28:3, 37:25, 71:8, 81:24, 85:2, 85:6, 176:16, 176:23, 202:1, 215:21, 262:5, 327:12 Certainly - 175:20 Certified - 324:22, 325:12, 325:14 Certify - 7:5, 17:19, 28:2, 308:22, 308:23, 325:7 Certifying - 19:3, 19:4, 198:7, 198:8 Change - 108:22, 157:14, 185:7, 262:22, 291:15 Changed - 74:6, 133:15, 133:19, 134:9, 134:24, 165:13, 175:4 Changes - 73:13, 264:11, 267:14 Changing - 163:8 Chaplain - 88:7, 88:10 Charge - 48:15, 48:18, 113:4, 113:7, 113:12, 113:17, 113:18, 114:9, 294:10 Charge's - 48:11 Check - 71:15, 140:23, 238:12, 238:16, 239:2, 239:3, 239:19, 240:3, 240:24, 241:20, 241:22, 241:24, 244:18, 282:8, 308:2 Checked - 239:6, 239:7 Checking - 58:5, 239:13, 242:1 Checks - 140:22 Chess - 142:2 Chief - 76:25, 77:2, 77:14 Choose - 5:13 Circle - 226:20, 276:18, 276:20 Civilians - 261:1, 261:8 Claiming - 53:18 Clarification - 36:19 Clarifications - 327: 4 Clarify - 328:11 Clarity - 226:14 Class - 20:23 Classes - 19:21, 20:16, 20:21, 21:3, 21:14 Classification - 37: 9, 37:12 Clear - 67:16, 70:9, 158:19, 163:9, 305:15 Cleared - 82:23, 158:7, 165:14 Close - 133:21, 224:1 Closed - 140:13, 140:15 Closer - 84:21, 89:13, 189:4, 216:8 Closest - 188:20, 188:23, 189:3, 189:16, 189:17, EFTA00063943

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297:18 Closet - 80:3 Closing - 265:19, 267:21 Clothed - 54:21 Clothes - 45:20, 46:11, 46:20, 83:5, 232:6, 270:9 Clothing - 267:14, 270:1, 271:11, 271:22, 281:12 CO - 16:10, 46:13, 79:19, 118:4, 118:6, 118:11, 200:16, 208:14 Coercion - 5:23 Cold - 299:14 Collect - 148:16 Collects - 148:8, 148:10, 149:3 College - 9:13, 9:15 Color - 233:25 Com - 15:2 Combine - 139:18, 139:19 Comes - 74:2, 107:19, 113:14, 118:6, 120:8, 120:21, 121:9, 135:11, 208:24, 210:16, 246:16 Comfortable - 82:1 Coming - 118:7, 118:11, 122:5, 122:7, 208:14, 213:17, 269:17, 298:15, 298:19 Command - 113:1 Commissary - 14:7, 14:12 Commit - 44:24, 53:6, 53:23, 326:10 Commits - 62:12 Committed - 33:7, 62:11, 303:7 Common - 178:24, 179:1, 179:4, 282:23 Communicate - 94: 16, 295:8 Communicated - 1 29:10, 132:5, 295:12, 295:25 Communication - 4 2:19, 106:16, 106:17, 116:1, 260:23 Communications - 91:4, 94:10, 94:17, 96:2, 96:6, 106:9, 108:12, 109:20, 111:5, 130:7, 261:5 Comparison - 276: 14, 276:15 Complain - 211:20, 284:22 Complaining - 211: 13 Complaints - 212:2 Completed - 9:13, 18:7, 18:8, 147:5, 309:5, 324:23, 325:2 Completely - 233:1 8, 233:21 Compound - 149:1 Computer - 48:12, 159:13, 207:9, 207:12, 262:21, 262:22, 291:18, 304:4 Computerly - 262:1 9 Computers - 205:1 8, 206:7, 208:6 Concern - 56:17, 56:23 Concerned - 289:25 Concerns - 4:12, 20:7, 40:15 Conclude - 327:19 Conditions - 12:6 Conducing - 145:5 Conducting - 24:11, 28:17, 137:22, 137:23, 143:5, 156:2, 156:4, 156:5, 172:10, 282:15, 283:12, 283:16, 310:14, 311:18 Conducts - 19:23 Conference - 7:16 Confident - 328:9 Confused - 24:20, 33:24, 123:19 Confusing - 108:6 Confusion - 19:1 Connected - 19:11, 274:20 Considered - 203:1 1 Conspiracy - 259:9 Constant - 273:5 Contact - 14:24, 102:15, 132:16, 132:17, 132:18, 132:19, 132:24, 133:2, 200:10 Contacted - 103:1, 133:8 Continue - 147:20, 252:17 Contraband - 282:9 Conversation - 55: 17, 90:12, 163:3, 163:6, 163:24, 164:2, 170:3, 178:4, 321:23 Conversations - 94 19, 116:7, 116:15, 126:25, 128:17, 160:21, 160:23, 161:15, 170:10, 170:12, 170:22, 170:25, 177:5, 177:10, 177:12, 177:15, 304:10, 304:11 Convoluted - 317:2 2 Cool - 10:8, 42:18 Copy - 7:7, 222:11 Corner - 236:4, 236:6 Correction - 165:21 Correctional - 13:1 2, 13:22, 22:13, 29:23 Correspondence - 9:18 Cos - 143:5, 145:15, 326:15 Cotton - 273:17 Coughing - 220:8 Couldn't’ - 164:19 Counted - 37:1, 158:19, 203:8, 203:9 Counting - 140:7, 143:17, 144:12 Couple - 91:11, 152:9, 152:10, 263:23, 276:1, 303:4 Courses - 9:18, 9:24, 10:6, 18:1, 31:6 Courts - 133:21 Cover - 38:21, 45:19, 212:9, 321:19 Covered - 21:5, 40:25, 140:25, 313:13, 321:18, 328:3 Covering - 121:8, 193:8, 280:11, 310:13 CPR - 38:15, 38:17, 228:4, 230:2, 230:4, 235:2, 241:15, 241:19, 241:21, 246:25, 246:3, 246:6, 249:20 Crazy - 186:6 Created - 321:24 Credentials - 3:5 Crime - 225:2 Criminal - 5:16 Crisis - 290:6 Criteria - 37:24 Crossed - 225:1 Cuff - 125:2, 125:5 Culmination - 63:22 Current - 8:23, 14:21, 15:1 Currently - 97:20, 270:18, 324:9, 324:14, 328:23 Custody - 78:17, 89:18, 113:13, 115:20, 264:4, 273:8, 283:19, 300:23, 300:24 Cut - 212:11, 247:25, 248:12, 248:16, 248:19, 248:21, 249:1, 249:2 a Daily - 19:13, 20:11, 34:14, 35:19, 35:22, 35:25, 36:7, 99:2, 297:10 Dangling - 275:3 Dashboard - 123:17 Database - 264:11 Databases - 293:2, 293:16, 294:1 Date - 3:10, 6:17, 6:18, 9:2, 12:24, 13:3, 18:25, 19:9, 49:24, 50:1, 78:5, 102:24, 147:16, 147:19, 156:13, 179:20, 275:25, 327:22 Dates - 18:6, 154:6 Dating - 7:8, 7:12, 35:18, 88:19, 179:16, 179:25, 224:4, 224:22, 226:24, 227:23, 265:18, 270:5 =! Days - 15:14, 15:15, 33:21, 33:22, 34:17, 34:24, 35:4, 92:10, 173:25, 212:23, 212:25, 262:5, 263:23, 263:25 De - 54:21 Dead - 238:1, 238:6, 238:9, 247:5, 259:6 Deal - 14:11, 165:7, 165:11, 165:20, 264:5 Death - 260:20, 261:9 Decided - 306:8 Decision - 76:3, 301:1 Defense - 21:8 Definitely - 23:24, 112:20, 163:14, 173:13, 179:6, 179:9, 199:10 Definition - 63:15 Delivery - 208:18 Demine - 11:11 Depart - 289:15 Department - 3:3, 3:8, 4:24 Departure - 135:9 Depending - 20:21, 36:24, 45:13, 104:5 Depends - 26:6, 29:8, 103:5, 103:8, 104:4, 112:18, 112:19, 113:12, 177:8, 221:15, 282:14 Description - 64:23 Desk - 48:12, 48:23, 207:17, 207:19, 207:25, 208:2, 208:6 Destroyed - 292:19, 292:22, 293:21 Destruction - 21:9 Detail - 223:2, 246:14 Details - 45:10, 53:14, 242:7 Determination - 79: 16 Dial - 7:16 Dialing - 7:20, 8:2 Diameter - 141:2 Didn't’ - 34:24, 130:10, 234:16 EFTA00063944

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Die - 248:9, 259:7 Died - 258:15, 258:17, 258:18, 258:19, 258:21, 259:1, 259:4, 259:8, 259:16, 259:17 Difference - 46:7, 46:9, 46:14, 46:16, 83:1, 83:7, 83:8, 83:10, 83:13, 112:10, 146:25, 181:17, 181:24 Direct - 102:2, 146:8 Directions - 207:15 Directly - 24:19, 287:24, 294:14 Discharge - 12:4, 12:5 Disciplinary - 5:12, 5:17 Discoloration - 234 12 Discovered - 215:2, 215:25, 216:16, 220:16, 225:9, 286:3, 293:3, 295:9, 317:5 Discovery - 217:23, 217:25 Discrepancy - 163: 4, 163:7 Discuss - 94:18, 197:10, 293:10, 295:19, 295:21, 304:1, 304:2 Discussed - 60:4, 62:4, 68:20, 68:22, 69:1, 170:14, 179:23, 282:17 Discussion - 60:8, 305:17 Discussions - 197: 14, 305:24 Disease - 21:6 Disposal - 248:23 Disregard - 173:12 Distress - 26:23, 26:25, 27:2, 284:21 Doctor - 234:4, 234:7, 238:8, 238:14 Document - 147:11, 147:15, 153:8, 166:9, 166:12, 171:24, 171:25, 172:24, 282:24, 313:1 Documented - 145: 13, 176:22, 306:25 Documenting - 146 13, 146:5, 171:24 Documents - 145:1 6, 147:7, 147:23, 292:9, 293:11, 293:13 Doesn't’ - 277:10 DOJ - 3:14, 3:23, 4:1, 4:11, 4:16, 4:19 Don't’ - 33:10, 56:5, 58:11 Doors - 80:1, 123:24, 188:2, 188:4, 188:8, 188:10 Dot - 173:23 Double - 118:23 Doubt - 253:25 Douglas - 3:16, 4:3, 4:4 Downstairs - 167:1 3, 185:12, 187:10, 245:10, 251:5, 251:8, 251:9, 256:11 Doze - 196:25, 198:20 Dozing - 195:7 DPA - 5:18 Dr - 76:23, 76:25, 77:7, 77:8, 77:10 Draw - 186:18 Drink - 191:21, 199:10 Driver - 9:9 Drop - 230:18, 287:14 Dropped - 228:20, 228:22, 229:16, 229:17, 230:19 eh + 288:3 Duties - 14:5, 36:20, 114:20, 114:22, 119:18, 119:20, 173:13 Duty - 11:9, 12:24, 50:21, 51:7, 80:24, 98:23, 99:1, 99:10, 101:1, 103:1, 198:13, 255:13, 261:4 Dynamics - 113:14 es E4 - 11:16, 11:17, 12:1 ES - 11:23, 11:25 Each - 56:24, 139:20, 140:2, 140:7, 143:20, 143:21, 147:16, 154:16, 154:21, 158:25, 167:21, 193:5, 195:19, 196:4, 253:6, 283:6, 305:2, 314:6, 314:8 Earlier - 34:20, 129:20 Early - 61:9, 98:19, 215:22, 215:24 Easily - 278:11, 278:12 Easy - 13:20, 172:18 Education - 9:12 Efforts - 252:18 Efren - 58:20 Eh - 321:23 Eight - 34:4, 226:19, 316:8 Electronic - 260:24, 261:6 Elevator - 148:15, 148:22, 149:4, 261:22 Elevators - 148:23 Else's - 250:6 Email - 15:1, 86:15, 86:18, 86:22, 87:9, 128:20, 206:9, 206:12, 206:13, 300:6, 300:10, 300:12, 300:14, 300:15 Emails - 106:16, 106:19 Emergencies - 38:7 , 38:20, 38:22, 201:16 Emergency - 213:7, 213:8, 213:12, 213:20, 214:11, 214:14, 214:25, 216:2, 216:4, 216:14, 216:19, 217:1, 217:16, 246:13, 250:24, 253:24, 255:21, 286:3, 287:11 Employee - 3:7, 3:15, 5:1, 6:3 Employees - 4:22, 111:22 Employee's - 18:4 EMS - 253:13, 253:14 End - 139:19, 139:21, 140:5, 148:2, 148:3, 148:4, 148:5, 148:6, 148:7, 148:16, 289:12, 313:17, 316:5, 316:6, 316:7, 316:8, 328:11 Ended - 313:12 Enforcement - 13:9 Enough - 38:5, 66:23, 166:13, 169:22, 241:12 Entailed - 109:20 Entails - 64:16 Enter - 12:24, 120:12, 122:25, 125:25, 209:9, 209:18, 209:22, 210:3, 242:24, 296:20 Entered - 119:10, 120:10, 120:11, 209:6, 214:11, 214:16, 214:17 Entering - 119:23, 175:11, 214:15, 286:14 Entire - 126:18, 190:25, 283:5 Entitled - 97:22, 270:23, 324:12 Equally - 114:6 Escaped - 142:17, 145:9 Especially - 70:24, 76:9, 87:20, 114:15, 317:1, 322:3 Estimate - 190:8, 250:20 Estimates - 325:19 Ethics - 20:17, 21:6 Evening - 41:20, 41:21, 41:22, 281:19, 283:3, 283:20 Event - 179:7 Eventually - 52:2, 125:21 Everybody - 56:22, 85:1, 85:3, 87:2, 87:3, 237:24, 244:6, 289:23, 291:16, 300:17, 306:4 Everybody's - 28:4, 90:4, 199:1 Everyone - 3:21, 67:22, 85:10, 98:1, 181:2, 300:19, 324:15 Evidence - 5:15 Exact - 13:3, 31:11, 53:14, 58:17, 69:13, 116:1, 120:3, 147:19, 213:22, 215:6, 217:20, 295:1 Example - 31:21 Except - 181:2, 181:6, 322:9 Excessive - 268:14 Exchange - 261:17, 268:20, 268:22, 272:6, 273:4 Excuse - 147:12, 173:12, 291:14, 311:22 Exhausted - 156:11 , 172:12, 174:15, 244:12, 304:14 Exit - 122:25, 127:7 Exiting - 119:24 Exorbitant - 267:21 Expected - 282:21 Experience - 43:10, 72:16, 113:1 Explain - 26:8, 51:20, 99:20, 112:20, 119:23, 138:23, 138:24, 140:11, 143:8, 147:9, 148:13, 154:9, 184:12 Explanatory - 45:8, 45:12 Extra - 271:22, 272:21, 272:25, 281:12 Eye - 89:13, 237:24 Eyes - 218:16, 219:2, 242:19 er Face - 95:18, 95:19, 252:25 Facebook - 206:6, 206:9 Faced - 258:25 Faces - 243:6 Facing - 196:19, 196:20, 207:14 Fact - 49:3, 62:4, 129:6, 161:16, 304:1, 304:2, 305:16, 315:4, 325:15 Facts - 304:5 Failure - 4:14, 5:9, 5:10 Fair - 38:5, 66:23, 166:13, 169:22 Fairly - 29:18, 29:19, 327:6 EFTA00063945

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Fall - 228:16, 228:23, 229:15 Fallen - 198:13 Falls - 229:24, 262:10, 262:13 False - 4:13, 4:15, 5:8, 5:10 Falsified - 318:25, 319:1 Falsifying - 198:3 Familiar - 29:20, 29:22, 30:17, 30:18, 39:11, 44:12, 59:4, 60:15, 255:8, 266:4, 266:8 Family - 261:20 Fast - 202:20, 311:1 Faster - 202:18 Fault - 256:16, 256:22, 257:6, 257:8, 258:5 Favors - 261:12 February - 23:15 Fed - 36:23, 218:2, 218:4, 218:19, 284:7, 291:16 Federal - 3:6, 12:20, 13:9 Feed - 125:17, 213:14, 218:24 Feeding - 125:15, 218:25, 219:2, 219:4, 221:12, 291:15, 297:24 Feeing - 219:14 Feel - 240:3 Feelings - 285:19 Feet - 190:9, 196:2, 236:14, 277:5, 277:7, 277:12, 277:15 Fell - 200:1, 230:9, 232:1, 232:21 Felt - 82:1 Few - 30:12, 199:8, 236:14, 248:3, 300:3, 321:13 Field - 3:5 Figgins - 3:12, 3:17, 4:5, 7:16, 8:2, 98:4, 98:5 Fight - 37:15 Figure - 12:17, 242:14 File - 291:23, 292:1, 292:16 Files - 290:14, 290:21, 291:1, 291:2, 292:4, 292:5 Fill - 6:17, 135:17, 160:25, 309:13, 309:15, 309:20, 310:15, 313:2, 313:3 Filled - 160:13, 160:20, 303:5 Find - 20:10, 159:21, 249:8, 269:20, 299:13, 321:3, 321:7, 321:12 Findings - 282:24 Fine - 17:16, 32:16, 33:11, 41:5, 43:23, 55:7, 57:19, 108:24, 180:21 Finish - 291:15 Five - 148:16, 215:3, 263:23, 283:4 Flash - 142:11, 244:3, 244:5 Flashlight - 142:5, 142:7, 142:11 Flesh - 26:20, 141:13 FLETC - 13:7, 13:8, 16:10 Floors - 183:21, 184:1, 184:7, 184:9, 184:13, 184:14 Follow - 276:1, 300:3, 326:7 Followed - 287:6 Following - 283:10, 294:4 Food - 79:24, 118:17, 118:19, 118:20, 208:17, 209:23, 209:24, 209:25, 210:2, 215:7, 215:8, 215:15, 215:16, 215:20, 215:22, 215:23, 224:20, 317:11, 317:17 Foot - 196:1 Forget - 315:9 Forgot - 149:22 Form - 4:22, 6:21, 8:3, 140:4 Forward - 87:8, 87:9 Forwarded - 87:16, 88:6, 88:12 Found - 227:24, 231:25, 264:20 Four - 79:4, 79:23, 159:9, 219:12 Fourteen - 12:23 Frame - 30:3 Friday - 99:3 Front - 9:11, 182:7, 182:13, 247:14, 247:16 Fuck - 173:11 Full - 269:4 Fund - 14:8, 115:21 Furnish - 5:15 Further - 290:3, 327:3 Future - 5:15 a Gap - 25:7 General - 3:4, 3:9, 4:25, 5:5, 5:7, 6:10, 12:5, 82:15, 177:6, 187:9, 203:22, 226:19, 226:21, 266:5 Gets - 73:14, 73:20, 74:3, 74:11, 100:25 Getting - 11:13, 224:1, 241:3, 242:4, 261:23, 284:18, 287:19, 289:23, 307:19 Give - 22:1, 67:13, 68:13, 75:15, 111:8, 150:11, 150:12, 209:22, 252:25, 269:16 Given - 281:11, 311:6 Giving - 269:18 Glass - 26:13, 79:24, 141:1, 141:2 Goes - 20:18, 22:12, 30:19, 73:4, 102:9, 139:14, 140:22, 180:6, 187:1, 187:14, 264:10, 268:10 Gone - 90:4, 130:23, 131:5, 134:1, 137:24, 138:12, 138:14, 196:19, 214:3, 291:23, 292:10 Good - 91:3, 141:24, 158:15, 158:16, 158:17, 173:25, 190:12, 285:2, 323:14, 328:7 Gotcha - 177:2 Gotten - 248:2, 324:3 Grab - 125:21, 254:1, 31717 Grabbed - 219:9 Grade - 14:17 Graduate - 13:2 Great - 8:6, 10:25, 12:7, 16:7, 16:25, 18:19, 19:7, 20:9, 20:24, 28:16, 35:11, 98:6, 104:15, 122:2 Grill - 139:15, 140:9, 140:10, 140:11, 144:1, 221:9, 222:21, 222:22 Grills - 139:14 Ground - 226:1, 228:21, 229:5, 229:11, 232:2, 237:5, 278:9 Guidance - 21:21 Guy - 68:22, 148:14, 235:17, 244:15 Guy's - 263:17 GV - 158:15 a Half - 54:20, 174:12, 223:20, 229:10, 307:15, 308:17, 308:19, 308:22, 308:24, 310:7, 310:10 Hall - 80:6, 205:4 Hallway - 118:16, 118:18, 118:21, 122:1, 224:19 Hand - 8:8, 139:22, 199:11, 239:18 Handed - 201:18, 205:13, 205:15 Handle - 14:10, 70:5, 290:13, 290:21 Hands - 288:14 Handwriting - 160:1 8, 160:19, 162:15, 164:20 Handwritten - 260:2 4, 261:6 Hang - 249:14, 272:10 Hangings - 250:15, 250:16 Happen - 9:4, 75:2, 178:11, 250:11, 271:16, 287:13, 316:10, 325:20, 325:25 Happened - 49:17, 73:20, 131:23, 172:18, 172:20, 173:18, 173:21, 199:8, 207:18, 234:3, 246:15, 289:18, 305:3, 305:23, 306:14, 316:13, 326:16, 326:23 Happens - 33:5, 62:23, 62:25, 71:7, 139:13, 177:4, 208:21, 269:8, 269:9, 306:11, 306:21 Hard - 112:20, 278:13 Harder - 231:18 Harm - 45:23, 45:24, 53:8, 53:24, 55:18, 55:21, 56:9, 56:10, 56:18, 56:24, 67:7, 175:2 Harmed - 37:25 Harming - 210:23, 261:13, 261:17 Hasn't - 149:4 Hat - 191:25 Haven't - 29:23, 293:5, 306:17, 307:11, 315:13 Having - 84:18, 115:16, 128:16, 129:24, 130:15, 161:14, 170:11 Head - 102:12, 116:5, 231:2, 274:6, 274:9, 274:10, 276:16 Hear - 44:17, 53:7 Heard - 44:19, 182:14, 220:6, 222:6, 222:7, 286:24, 286:25 Hearing - 220:2, 263:3 He'd - 233:22 Held - 13:20 Hello - 96:9, 96:10 Helped - 92:15, 169:15, 245:9, 251:5, 251:7 Helping - 205:12 Helps - 91:17 Here's - 34:14, 224:5, 265:6, 285:5, 315:3 Hey - 18:3, 68:22, 74:8, 74:11, 74:20, 76:3, 85:14, 137:24, 138:1, 160:25, 170:14, 177:6, EFTA00063946

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197:10, 200:12, 200:13, 202:5, 241:13, 304:14, 317:17 Hierarchy - 112:17, 112:21, 112:24 Higher - 68:6, 68:13, 68:14, 72:25, 136:9, 136:19 Highest - 9:12, 11:23 Himself - 56:9, 58:13, 210:23, 233:23, 234:11, 234:14, 284:18 Hit - 141:21, 142:3, 230:6, 231:18, 241:5 Hitting - 230:11 Hm - 87:18, 88:16, 117:16, 199:19, 220:9, 220:14, 225:10, 266:10, 273:2, 284:20, 317:19 Hold - 256:15, 308:14 Holding - 251:25, 252:7, 252:9 Holds - 123:7, 124:13, 124:18 Home - 8:23, 250:9, 289:22 Homemade - 55:9 Honestly - 41:15, 51:6, 68:4, 68:5, 93:24, 270:11, 321:16, 321:20, 322:17 Honorable - 12:6 Honorary - 12:3 Hook - 204:4 Hopefully - 328:8 Hoping - 247:8 Hospital - 159:3, 159:17 Hostage - 286:23 House - 102:1 Housed - 39:10, 86:24, 91:5, 92:3, 94:13, 96:3, 97:1, 106:11 How's - 127:3 Huh - 110:14 Human - 26:20, 141:25 Hung - 123:14, 123:16, 124:15, 124:17, 233:23, 234:11, 234:14 Hurt - 37:9 Hurting - 258:20 re ID -9:5 I'd - 84:23 Idea - 280:21 Identical - 144:11, 181:1, 310:15, 313:5, 313:8 Identified - 42:9 Identify - 3:21 Ill - 8:18, 58:18, 61:22, 82:21, 98:25, 115:24, 142:10, 168:11, 190:1, 202:6, 315:23, 324:2 Immediate - 286:8, 286:11, 301:1 Immediately - 213:2 1, 214:5, 237:9, 244:2 Important - 300:25 Inch - 229:10 Incident - 44:11, 49:17, 50:11, 50:13, 71:11, 289:3, 289:13, 296:1, 306:11, 316:13 Incidents - 326:16 Include - 4:12 Including - 86:10, 94:11, 95:6, 143:1 Incoherent - 43:22, 54:17 Incorrect - 315:17 Incorrectly - 198:8 Indefinite - 295:6 Independently - 75: 21, 75:22 Individual - 46:2 Individually - 169:2 4 Individuals - 19:25, 103:20, 157:22 Infectious - 21:6 Inform - 45:5, 72:23, 94:2 Information - 4:15, 6:1, 5:3, 5:10, 74:23, 95:1, 328:16 Informed - 85:13, 89:12, 89:16, 136:19, 294:18 Initial - 18:25, 19:8, 19:9, 23:4, 23:16, 156:13, 179:20, 209:14, 275:25, 303:9, 316:15 initialed - 88:20, 88:21, 279:19, 304:6, 315:7 Initialing - 35:18, 88:18, 179:14, 179:25, 224:4, 224:22, 226:24, 227:23, 265:18, 270:5, 283:25, 315:4 Initially - 120:14 Initials - 89:2, 89:3, 155:17, 302:11, 302:19, 315:25 Initiative - 178:7, 178:8 Inmates’ - 210:8, 210:21, 267:15 Inmate's - 63:19, 63:20, 210:11, 210:13, 283:2 Inner - 120:6, 122:22, 123:1, 124:2, 127:13, 127:14, 204:8 Inspector - 3:4, 3:9, 4:25, 5:5, 5:6, 6:9 Instability - 63:20 Instance - 18:13, 22:20, 23:20, 74:9, 100:10, 103:16, 104:2, 136:3, 138:25, 202:2, 327:10 Institution - 10:5, 22:15, 27:6, 27:12, 27:14, 27:15, 60:23, 128:15, 142:22, 142:25, 157:6, 157:8, 167:15, 174:25, 182:25, 266:15, 293:6, 293:8, 297:2 Instructed - 38:13 Instructions - 46:23 , 48:1, 91:23, 95:4, 96:19, 106:24, 109:1, 110:4, 110:6, 111:9, 128:25, 130:11, 130:14 Instructor - 20:22, 38:12, 38:15, 38:18 Intact - 274:3, 274:8, 275:7 Intention - 91:13 Interact - 298:1 Interacted - 284:6 Interaction - 115:17 , 117:12, 199:4 Interactions - 43:16 , 129:24, 284:2 Interior - 212:18 Internal - 36:13, 41:25, 44:20, 44:22, 51:13, 148:10, 148:12, 148:14, 148:19, 149:7, 172:15, 172:16, 175:16 International - 21:6 Internet - 205:19, 206:16, 206:22, 206:24 Interpretation - 24: 14, 239:13 Interview - 3:6, 3:11, 3:19, 4:19, 5:11, 7:6, 8:11, 34:21, 97:25, 98:8, 271:2, 271:3 Interviewing - 162: 6 Investigation - 3:9, 4:11, 4:16, 5:4, 5:5, 5:8 Investigative - 7:6 Involvement - 109: 16, 122:19 Ish - 289:16, 290:11, 290:12 Isn't - 87:13, 180:12, 203:11, 253:15, 282:16, 306:7, 317:22 Issue - 102:14 Issued - 86:7 Issues - 50:4, 192:11, 211:7, 211:12 It'll - 186:5 Its - 204:9, 204:11 Jail - 113:7, 259:10 January - 16:19 Jersey - 3:14, 8:25, 9:9 Job - 4:13, 5:9, 10:20, 14:5, 206:13, 319:24 Jobs - 173:13 Jog - 91:18 Join - 7:21 July - 39:10, 41:2, 42:1, 49:14, 49:19, 50:12, 57:13, 57:14, 57:20, 59:1, 80:21, 84:5, 90:13, 92:20, 93:3, 95:17, 321:11 Jumped - 99:17 Jumper - 232:9, 232:10 June - 3:10, 35:20, 270:25, 324:15, 328:23 Justice - 3:4, 3:8, 4:24 a Keep - 19:24, 37:16, 61:9, 89:13, 147:11, 265:19 Kept - 238:9, 241:10, 289:23, 292:16 Keys - 55:1, 123:3, 123:4, 123:9, 123:23, 125:2, 125:5, 302:2 Kill - 284:18 Kitchen - 181:9, 181:11, 181:21, 186:9 Knew - 67:5, 67:22, 69:18, 75:12, 83:23, 197:23, 198:2, 198:3, 198:7, 221:24, 304:23, 305:4 Knocked - 213:14, 279:7 Knot - 277:18, 277:19 Knowing - 71:2, 301:16, 328:10 Knowledge - 72:6, 132:3, 137:13, 209:8, 283:16 Known - 15:24, 56:22, 192:4 EFTA00063947

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Label - 43:12, 306:20, 306:22 Labeled - 154:14, 154:15, 207:22 Laid - 218:16, 228:20, 263:22 Landing - 288:4 Lane - 104:10, 104:11, 104:13, 117:9, 117:10, 119:11, 126:13, 126:17, 126:20, 126:25, 128:17, 128:23, 129:14, 164:10, 164:24, 208:13, 298:21 Language - 8:20, 173:12 Lapped - 310:21 Late - 215:23 Later - 327:22 Latest - 133:23 Laundry - 14:12 Law - 3:12, 3:16, 4:4, 13:9, 125:18 Lay - 230:3 Laying - 236:13, 236:15, 280:2, 280:18 Layout - 179:12, 180:1 Layouts - 181:1 Leading - 35:4 Learn - 72:25 Learned - 20:14, 69:19 Least - 90:6, 98:18, 321:13 Leave - 73:5, 101:5, 138:12, 138:14, 140:16, 191:13, 201:10, 202:2, 202:25, 288:17, 288:18, 289:22, 294:7, 294:23, 295:4, 309:17, 309:19 Leaves - 67:25, 73:4, 123:8, 124:5 Leaving - 74:9, 74:12, 74:21, 116:13, 131:9, 191:8, 203:11 Leftover - 282:10 Legs - 277:4 Less - 198:24 Lets - 122:15 Letter - 294:11, 294:15, 294:21 Lettering - 295:1 Letters - 142:2, 180:8 Letting - 301:22 Level - 9:12, 14:18, 184:10, 185:4, 185:5, 185:8, 185:17, 185:22, 185:23, 186:14, 186:21 Levels - 180:2 Library - 125:18 License - 9:9 Lie - 322:19, 324:5 Lieutenants - 108:1 , 168:10, 210:21, 262:9 Lieutenant's - 133: 12, 148:1, 148:2 Life - 44:18, 249:12, 252:17, 259:19, 259:22, 259:25, 260:3, 260:11, 260:14, 260:17, 261:9, 261:14, 261:18, 273:13 Light - 212:10, 212:12, 212:15 Lights - 211:17, 212:2, 212:5, 212:6, 212:8, 212:10, 212:11, 212:13, 212:18, 212:20, 279:4, 279:5, 279:6 Limb - 249:12 Limited - 205:20 Limped - 231:9 Line - 7:14, 102:3, 102:5 Linen - 268:6, 269:25, 270:10, 272:25, 273:9, 278:19 Linens - 267:14, 267:21, 271:5, 271:11, 271:22, 272:5, 272:20, 272:22, 281:9, 281:13 Lip - 280:10, 280:11 Lips - 233:24 Listed - 154:10 Listen - 136:14, 304:14 Little - 9:17, 26:9, 61:9, 76:19, 101:2, 138:16, 179:11, 199:7, 223:2, 223:16, 223:25, 226:5, 244:12, 246:14, 276:17, 276:20, 282:2 Live - 27:22, 142:11, 142:18, 142:19, 142:20, 192:20, 192:24 Local - 4:7 Located - 3:12, 79:19 Location - 186:2 Lock - 121:12, 191:14 Locked - 120:7, 121:10, 175:15, 206:5, 266:25, 299:10 Locks - 203:21 Log - 19:24, 316:15 Longer - 57:5, 57:7, 250:14 Looked - 19:2, 219:7, 219:8, 227:3, 233:22, 234:2, 234:17, 234:19, 279:3, 280:25 Looking - 9:8, 104:25, 108:6, 129:16, 157:4, 180:8, 181:22, 224:17, 231:6 Loosen - 277:20 Lost - 314:23, 316:16 Lot - 19:13, 156:10, 172:14, 177:23, 198:24, 199:3, 211:20, 247:13, 250:2, 250:4, 250:14, 255:23, 258:12, 267:24, 319:1 Loud - 6:24 Lower - 193:16, 193:25, 194:16, 229:13 a Made - 5:22, 67:20, 81:24, 269:18, 285:7 Mail - 282:11, 294:16 Main - 20:2 Mainly - 14:13 Maintain - 36:22, 291:3 Maintained - 123:11 , 123:12, 124:8, 287:19 Maintains - 123:3 Majority - 307:1, 317:23, 318:22 Makes - 13:19, 79:15 Making - 22:13, 221:24, 255:20, 262:21 Male - 233:16 Man - 177:6, 247:14, 247:15, 256:24 Many - 6:25, 33:5, 152:13, 174:7, 177:9, 243:2, 247:6, 258:24, 258:25, 267:13, 282:11, 284:10, 288:14 Maps - 224:3 March - 16:19 Mark - 291:16, 315:2 Marked - 320:2, 320:5, 320:19 Marking - 189:11, 226:12 Marquea - 104:22 Mass - 21:8 Master - 123:23, 124:4 Match - 9:10, 143:21, 143:23 Material - 13:23, 14:2, 30:2, 115:21, 273:12 Matter - 97:23, 270:23, 324:12 Mattress - 279:19, 280:13, 280:25 May - 5:15, 25:18, 40:19, 68:11, 71:12, 85:20, 88:2, 88:5, 120:12, 186:17, 227:16, 243:19, 278:8, 307:6, 316:18, 321:8, 327:7 Means - 63:18, 112:6, 128:6, 158:14, 158:15, 158:16, 159:5 Meant - 51:19, 51:20, 60:22, 93:8, 131:21 Medic - 235:17 Medication - 264:23 , 265:7, 265:12 Medications - 265:3 , 265:4, 267:10 Meeting - 77:21, 97:11, 295:16 Member - 73:5, 135:13, 140:7, 140:21, 148:15, 176:3 Members - 111:18, 120:16, 175:11, 175:15, 177:6, 190:22, 260:25, 261:7, 261:21, 262:14, 287:1 Memory - 165:21, 165:23 Mental - 63:20 Mentioned - 36:10, 76:20, 155:20, 175:19, 182:23, 276:8 Mess - 280:21 Messed - 256:14, 256:17, 257:6 Met - 78:3, 78:5, 78:8, 93:15, 290:3 Midnight - 15:18, 34:4, 34:7, 35:14, 61:5, 81:4, 90:3, 101:3, 131:15, 142:1, 167:25, 263:12 Might - 98:22, 105:5, 159:25, 201:18, 202:19, 227:8, 262:18, 311:20 Military - 9:19, 10:9, 10:11, 10:12, 10:22, 10:24, 11:3 Mind - 35:17, 88:18, 179:13, 179:14, 189:11, 224:4, 224:21, 226:11, 226:23, 227:22, 247:7, 247:12, 265:17, 270:5, 283:24, 284:11 Mine - 160:6, 162:17, 162:18, EFTA00063948

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176:25 Minimum - 201:8, 283:3 Minute - 25:7, 202:7, 215:2, 216:10, 221:19, 237:21, 243:22, 243:24, 308:16, 311:9, 311:12, 312:5, 314:11, 314:22 Misconduct - 4:12 Misplaced - 166:10 Missed - 318:11 Missing - 299:19, 328:19 Mistaken - 23:7, 23:12, 30:1, 31:1, 31:2, 33:16, 101:24, 101:25, 146:7, 188:24, 189:6, 194:16, 201:7, 208:21, 249:12, 262:18, 291:17 Model - 241:22 Moment - 241:23 Monitor - 192:20, 263:6 Monitoring - 192:24 Montel - 3:12, 3:17, 4:5, 8:2, 98:4 Month - 250:12 Monthly - 172:13 Months - 10:19, 109:13 MOS - 12:10, 12:18 Mostly - 36:14, 103:10, 307:12 Motorcycle - 207:2 Motorcycles - 207: 3 Mouth - 69:17, 235:10, 235:11, 235:12, 235:13 Move - 24:19, 140:3, 179:10, 195:3, 213:16, 229:21, 235:24, 237:2, 262:5, 263:11, 263:20, 264:7 Moved - 57:4, 134:11, 229:19, 230:1, 231:13, 231:19, 232:1, 237:4, 252:21, 264:1, 293:23 Movement - 62:22, 141:17, 220:12 Moving - 52:22, 142:4, 252:12 Ms - 16:2, 16:4, 60:19, 61:16, 111:24 Much - 9:15, 38:20, 115:1, 188:19, 234:16, 234:19, 237:2, 265:12, 269:25, 270:10, 282:10, 294:23, 311:25, 328:3 MULTIPLE - 157:22 Murder - 258:20 MW - 42:11 MYM - 300:16 Myself - 54:19, 75:16, 112:1 CN) Nah - 90:11, 92:21, 134:19, 137:8, 180:18, 211:19, 231:4, 241:7, 265:21, 279:14 Naked - 232:5, 232:7, 232:8, 232:13 Named - 58:20 Names - 87:20, 87:21, 91:11, 108:22 Name's - 87:11 Natural - 240:13, 305:21 Nature - 161:4 ME - 90:20, 90:25 Near - 80:4, 221:3, 221:13, 252:15 Neck - 232:21, 232:22, 232:24, 233:2, 275:11, 275:14, 277:19, 277:21, 278:18 Needed - 49:4, 89:13, 103:4, 144:24, 301:1 Needing - 47:22 Needs - 49:6, 86:23, 136:15, 168:23, 223:14 Negative - 43:9, 43:12 New - 3:4, 3:13, 8:25, 9:8, 67:8, 67:15, 68:2, 70:12, 72:9, 75:8, 76:5, 99:2, 135:19, 136:7, 136:21, 163:25, 166:5, 282:19 Newark - 3:13 Next - 7:12, 18:17, 64:24, 98:13, 139:25, 140:3, 158:20, 160:1, 162:9, 179:11, 187:4, 195:3, 195:19, 196:3, 201:20, 235:20, 313:21 Nicholas - 49:9 Night - 15:19, 60:9, 61:4, 66:22, 117:23, 119:17, 125:20, 161:21, 168:9, 170:15, 218:20, 218:21, 306:8, 306:20, 306:21, 307:8 Nine - 184:22, 201:21 Ninth - 79:10, 79:11 ma Nobody - 126:9, 142:16, 253:25, 296:2, 296:4, 299:4 Nobody's - 153:22 Nod - 199:7 Non - 113:13, 115:20, 266:5 None - 35:9, 88:12, 91:8, 94:14, 94:15, 96:4, 96:5, 116:18, 155:10, 156:25, 254:7, 254:13 Noose - 226:12, 277:18, 278:17 Nope - 20:8, 98:10, 98:12, 111:7, 295:10, 328:17, 328:20 Normally - 103:23, 300:18, 301:4 North - 205:1, 205:3 Note - 79:8, 98:2 Notebook - 154:1 Nothing - 7:25, 8:10, 105:21, 212:3, 220:10, 243:24, 248:6, 254:5, 264:16, 264:17, 299:25, 327:24, 328:2, 328:11 Notice - 55:11, 137:23, 219:17, 234:23, 238:11, 299:14, 299:15, 299:16 Noticed - 220:21, 220:22 Noticing - 165:3, 181:17, 181:24 Notified - 73:13 Notify - 76:14, 122:4, 122:6, 132:8, 132:10, 138:1 Nova - 326:11 November - 13:10 Nudge - 305:2 Nuisance - 282:12 Numbers - 27:25, 28:2, 28:7, 28:9, 139:18, 139:19, 139:21, 140:5, 143:17, 143:21, 143:23, 149:13, 161:17, 180:13, 180:16, 180:20 Lo} Oath - 8:8, 98:8, 271:4, 305:12, 308:5, 324:19, 328:10 Observation - 45:1 4, 46:8, 46:11, 46:19, 54:12, 54:14, 57:11, 59:10, 62:16, 63:4, 82:4, 82:9, 83:2, 83:4, 83:21, 84:7, 84:18, 86:20, 86:23 Observing - 46:2 Obtain - 296:16 Obtaining - 138:19 Obviously - 5:18, 68:6, 76:12, 110:20, 162:3, 165:18, 166:16, 171:25, 175:21, 176:17, 197:24 Occur - 262:4 Occurred - 327:15 Occurrence - 325:2 3 Occurs - 250:2 Odd - 305:22 Offer - 261:11 Offhand - 135:20, 135:21, 137:12 Office - 3:4, 3:5, 3:9, 4:24, 5:4, 6:9, 48:15, 48:19, 61:1, 99:14, 133:12, 139:17, 148:1, 148:3, 182:1, 182:3, 288:25, 292:12 Officers - 22:13, 50:21, 51:7, 51:8, 71:12, 71:19, 132:5, 144:24, 146:2, 186:20, 204:13, 210:20, 264:7, 264:12, 264:13, 283:1, 283:3, 283:11 Officer's - 185:25, 186:24, 187:2, 187:8, 187:19, 188:2, 188:19, 188:20, 189:3, 190:7 Offices - 3:12, 3:17, 4:4 Official - 3:8, 4:16, 7:5, 138:19 Officially - 138:18 Often - 29:6, 32:15, 172:23, 172:25, 173:1, 173:11, 173:13, 174:4, 175:3, 204:25, 296:8, 325:20, 326:4 OIC - 48:21, 48:22, 207:21, 208:1 OIC's - 207:18, 207:25 OIG - 3:14, 3:23, 4:1, 4:11, 4:16, 4:19, 7:6, 7:9, 8:3 Once - 117:4, 204:6, 244:9, 244:10, 250:11, 250:12, 288:12, 309:24 Ones - 41:20, 159:22, 180:14, 193:17, 260:7, 318:16 One's - 7:17, 173:6, 280:15 Online - 10:6 Onto - 166:11, 228:20 Oops - 270:19 Open - 29:14, 29:15, 120:12, 121:22, 123:20, 127:10, 127:12, 127:13, 139:15, 140:14, 140:16, 204:7, 214:8, 242:19, 279:9, 279:12, 279:13, 279:15 Opened - 120:3, 120:4, 120:6, 214:19, 216:5, 216:8 Opening - 279:12 Opens - 122:14, 124:1 Operated - 30:17 EFTA00063949

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Opposed - 27:25 Ops - 100:4, 134:3, 134:16, 134:18, 134:19, 138:2, 161:16, 163:3, 164:14 Orange - 55:9, 233:7, 273:17 Order - 22:25, 30:22, 272:9, 282:19, 309:4, 316:22 Orders - 21:17, 21:19, 21:20, 22:5, 112:14, 284:1 Originally - 166:8 Others - 85:6, 86:11, 178:2 Otherwise - 260:24, 260:25, 261:6, 261:7 Our - 4:18, 4:22, 4:23, 116:1, 118:21, 256:4 Outer - 120:22, 121:1, 121:2, 121:3, 121:14, 124:1, 125:6, 127:15, 204:7, 297:3 Outside - 57:11, 118:21, 139:15, 140:18, 187:22, 194:8, 208:18, 212:20, 220:16, 288:25, 296:22, 297:1, 324:7 Oval - 8:24 Overall - 16:8, 36:20, 108:8, 150:15, 150:16, 154:9, 157:5, 158:24 Overnight - 41:10, 210:5 Oversee - 99:24 Overseeing - 98:24, 99:11, 100:17 Oversight - 101:7, 101:23, 104:8, 108:8, 109:16 Overtake - 286:22 Own - 22:21, 76:3, 204:9, 204:11, 205:18, 206:12, 212:18, 259:19 Ownership - 200:1 a Pack - 79:5 Page - 19:18, 61:24, 160:1, 160:2, 161:11, 283:25 Pages - 159:1 Pants - 232:4, 232:12 Paper - 28:12, 114:8, 139:22, 154:16, 156:9, 308:25, 316:2 Papers - 282:11 Paperwork - 148:18 , 159:12, 289:9, 290:14, 291:17, 292:19, 308:17, 308:19 Part - 3:8, 5:3, 17:21, 37:18, 119:18, 119:20, 148:19, 160:14, 203:12, 241:17, 260:19, 274:19, 274:21, 276:24, 277:19, 277:21, 288:15, 297:2, 315:24 Particular - 16:1, 19:6, 42:21, 42:23, 50:1, 73:22, 73:24, 75:2, 117:20, 174:18, 175:7, 189:23, 202:11, 202:14, 202:21, 215:14, 249:23, 307:8 Particularly - 64:13, 194:14 Pass - 262:13 Passed - 56:19, 74:23 Passing - 96:8 Past - 17:24, 173:18, 173:21, 199:13, 199:18, 248:15, 304:20, 304:21, 305:24, 321:25, 324:22, 325:4, 326:1 Pause - 270:16, 270:22 Pausing - 97:21 Pay - 84:21, 85:7, 233:5, 263:15 Paygrade - 301:3 Paying - 85:14, 303:10 Peers - 86:11 Pending - 294:25 Per - 72:13, 150:19, 167:6, 173:3, 173:4, 183:2, 286:4 Performance - 4:14 , 5:9 Period - 26:7, 243:3, 315:5, 316:8 Peripherals - 118:2 1 Personal - 205:18, 205:21, 206:12 Personally - 70:5, 298:5 Personnel - 245:12, 254:24 Persons - 255:1 Pertains - 5:8 Phone - 11:13, 14:21, 128:20, 138:1, 163:20, 204:4, 217:3, 217:8, 32417 Phrase - 27:14 Physical - 231:12 Physically - 15:4, 167:18, 264:8 Pick - 228:13 Picture - 9:10, 223:11, 225:19, 229:2, 229:4, 265:6, 276:16, 279:17, 279:18 Pictures - 224:6, 253:5, 253:6, 253:23, 254:7, 254:16, 267:23, 268:7, 271:8 Piece - 28:12, 139:22, 227:7, 275:3 Pieces - 278:24 Pill - 264:20 Place - 6:18, 8:7, 19:6, 44:2, 50:4, 64:1, 78:21, 81:22, 132:1, 132:25, 135:1, 135:3, 135:6, 135:19, 159:14, 183:21, 203:17, 313:5, 327:14 Placed - 63:24, 78:14, 81:13, 82:13, 294:6, 294:22 Places - 78:9, 144:2 Placing - 68:2 Plan - 317:25 Play - 114:2, 114:3, 114:4, 114:10 Playing - 142:2 Plays - 114:9 Pleasant - 43:19, 43:20 Please - 3:21, 8:9, 8:15, 12:16, 299:22 Plopped - 229:9 Point - 18:20, 20:3, 30:16, 35:12, 63:3, 192:3, 245:6, 303:2, 305:11 Pointing - 193:7, 318:15 Polices - 21:21 Policies - 22:14, 265:22 Policy - 24:11, 197:17, 197:21, 205:10, 205:12, 283:7, 283:10, 286:5, 286:12, 286:16, 287:6, 299:24, 311:8, 311:10 Pop - 127:15, 203:24, 203:25, 204:2, 204:5 Popped - 126:6, 214:8, 215:6 Pops - 204:6 Population - 82:16, 82:23, 82:24 Portion - 274:12, 278:1, 278:5 Position - 30:2, 231:25, 237:5 Positions - 13:20, 14:12 Positive - 43:9, 43:12 Possible - 274:19, 301:14, 303:15, 303:17, 306:3, 306:13, 306:16, 306:19 Possibly - 69:14, 69:16, 274:21, 278:21, 298:8 Post - 21:17, 21:19, 21:20, 22:18, 112:14, 118:9, 282:19, 283:25 Posted - 22:2, 30:8, 48:2, 48:7, 48:11, 64:19, 65:9, 65:12, 105:23 Posting - 66:10 Posts ~ 22:25 Potentially - 133:9, 286:22, 292:4 Power - 212:16 Practice - 84:24, 178:24, 179:2, 179:4 Pre - 269:17 Prefer - 172:15 Prepared - 30:23, 164:22, 166:8 Preparing - 172:5, 172:9 Present - 3:14, 6:21, 15:5, 20:22, 98:1, 102:23, 116:24, 134:25, 135:2, 135:5, 166:14, 166:17, 166:21, 190:25, 210:21, 211:5, 243:6, 324:15 Presented - 35:17 President - 4:7, 296:12 Pressure - 5:23 Pretty - 29:20, 38:20, 39:17, 45:8, 114:25, 188:19, 234:19, 294:23, 311:25, 328:3 Prevention - 30:25, 31:17, 31:20, 32:19, 32:24, 68:21 Previous - 71:11, 86:4, 268:1 Previously - 10:22, 69:9, 198:13, 259:5 Primarily - 10:21 Primary - 29:3, 29:4, 14:4 Print - 6:4, 6:5, 6:11, 7:11, 18:4 Printed - 158:1 Priority - 85:15, 85:19 Prison - 21:7, 285:10 Prisons - 3:6, 12:21 Privileges - 281:12 Probationary - 13:6 Problem - 24:10, 38:5, 185:20, 242:16, 273:5, 276:6, 327:8, 328:4 Procedures - 22:14 Proceedings - 5:16, 5:17 Process - 73:3, 119:23, 127:10, 131:25, 138:23, 142:21, 142:24, 143:10, 143:12, 143:16, 144:8, 204:3 Professional - 258: 24 Profile - 40:15, EFTA00063950

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40:18, 58:6, 68:8, 76:9, 135:24, 137:9, 183:7, 183:9 Program - 282:25 Programming - 71: 20 Promises - 5:22 Pronounce - 57:3, 90:15, 104:21 Protocol - 175:8 Provided - 7:7, 16:15, 19:2, 21:24, 22:24, 23:20, 24:6, 28:17, 48:1, 81:14, 110:3, 110:5, 272:5 Providing - 271:21 Provisions - 81:25 Psych - 86:23, 300:12 Psychological - 46: 8, 46:10, 54:11, 57:11, 59:10, 62:15, 63:4, 82:4, 82:9, 83:2, 83:21, 83:23, 84:7, 84:17, 86:20 Psychologist - 77:1 5, 80:22, 86:7, 86:11 Psychologists - 76: 20, 76:21, 77:21, 80:24, 82:22 Psychology - 64:2, 64:12, 67:20, 70:5, 78:11, 78:14, 78:15, 79:19, 80:4, 80:5, 86:19 Pull - 303:8 Pulled - 274:17, 277:25, 305:8 Pulse - 238:12, 238:16, 240:3, 244:18 Purple - 233:19 Purpose - 66:10, 119:14, 142:14, 142:15, 145:5, 194:3, 209:21, 210:3 Pursuant - 5:6 Push - 118:16, 118:18, 270:16 Pushed - 274:22 Pushing - 208:23, 240:1, 270:22 Putting - 20:19, 172:19 La) Quarter - 23:11, 23:14, 33:5, 106:2 Quarterly - 17:4, 17:7, 17:14, 30:8, 32:9, 105:5 Question - 14:25, 61:23, 99:8, 99:16, 121:13, 216:2, 257:3, 270:6, 301:8, 315:22, 320:13 Questioning - 326: 7 Questions - 4:18, 4:23, 5:12, 5:14, §:21, 8:15, 20:5, 91:12, 96:15, 98:9, 98:21, 242:15, 259:11, 260:5, 276:2, 300:4, 328:18 Quick - 97:18, 324:11, 328:7 Quite - 172:16, 306:3 er | Racial - 71:10 Radio - 216:23, 217:2, 217:5, 217:6, 217:7 Raise - 8:8 Ran - 214:22 Range - 192:24, 212:6, 212:9 Rank - 11:15, 11:23 Rape - 21:7 Rather - 53:23, 56:9 Reacted - 221:20 Reaction - 240:13 Read - 6:1, 6:23, 6:25, 112:13, 300:14 Reading - 20:20 Ready - 284:18 Realized - 296:16 Reasons - 40:18, 205:19 Rec - 37:14, 37:17, 47:16, 63:18, 267:3 Receive - 46:23 Received - 28:21, 31:21, 32:18, 38:6, 86:22, 87:7, 87:8, 222:11 Receiving - 86:25 Recent - 17:23, 169:9 Recently - 234:3 Recollection - 58:1 9, 191:24 Reconcile - 322:22 Record - 3:22, 6:24, 18:3, 18:4, 19:25, 97:23, 97:24, 270:23, 270:24, 324:12, 324:13 Recorded - 3:20 Recorder - 3:1, 270:22, 270:25, 324:14, 328:24 Recording - 97:22, 192:15 Records - 17:18, 19:12, 198:4 Recreation - 186:10 , 283:2 Red - 199:11, 233:24 Referring - 36:24 Refresher - 16:22, 17:25, 18:8, 18:9, 18:12, 18:21, 20:4, 20:13, 21:5, 28:22, 28:24, 32:4, 32:20 Reg - 39:7 Regarding - 91:5, 96:3, 98:14, 282:16, 295:25 Regrettably - 172:2 2 Regular - 32:17, 35:9, 88:2, 205:7, 206:16, 266:22, 325:22 Regularly - 29:18, 29:19, 39:18, 107:9 Related - 265:23, 266:5, 292:22 Released - 73:12, 82:12, 132:12, 132:14, 133:1, 133:4, 133:6, 134:10 Remain - 212:21, 212:22, 213:2, 295:4 Remained - 191:25, 231:2, 231:7, 287:18 Remains - 140:18 Remind - 98:7, 271:3, 308:5, 324:18 Remove - 292:4, 292:11, 292:13 Removed - 53:4, 59:23, 60:5, 273:24, 292:8, 292:18, 292:21 Removing - 293:13 Repetitive - 85:21, 91:13 Rephrase - 8:19 Replace - 115:6, 115:10, 115:14, 129:14, 201:14, 201:17 Replaced - 115:17 Report - 21:2, 21:8, 71:4, 71:6, 200:9 Reported - 294:3 Reporting - 4:15, 5:10 Representative - 3: 18, 6:21, 7:7, 296:6 Requested - 5:1 Requirement - 86:7 , 135:18, 168:22, 169:1 Requirements - 37: 4, 84:16 Requires - 115:1 Respond - 50:11, 60:12, 51:23, 247:19, 249:17 Responded - 50:14, 61:4, 51:9, 54:11, §5:8, 243:22, 247:24, 251:3, 251:4, 254:24 Responder - 249:5, 259:3 Responders - 52:4 Responding - 52:5, 222:8, 239:1, 286:9, 286:21 Response - 241:4, 242:2, 242:5, 243:17, 249:22, 249:23, 258:22 Responsibilities - 1 4:6, 36:20, 108:18, 112:12, 114:21, 114:23, 119:19, 128:12, 128:14, 128:15 Responsibility - 98: 24, 99:10, 104:17, 135:17, 135:18, 135:22, 137:25, 146:8, 171:19, 257:22, 257:25, 258:4 Responsible - 67:1 5, 68:2, 74:17, 99:24, 100:2, 100:17, 108:8, 114:7, 146:3, 146:22, 155:21, 155:23, 155:24, 156:4, 171:14, 258:1, 262:8, 262:21 Responsibly - 171: 20 Responsiveness - 241:25 Rest - 221:17, 266:15 Resume - 98:9 Resuming - 97:25, 271:2 Retrieve - 119:2 Retrieved - 119:5 Returned - 59:9 Review - 6:23, 21:25, 22:11, 22:21, 321:12, 323:16, 324:1, 328:7 Reviewed - 22:24, 65:20 Reviewing - 65:21, 321:7 Revisit - 327:22 Revive - 254:22 Revived - 248:8 Ride - 148:22, 255:21 Rides - 148:15 Ring - 118:18, 120:5, 120:24, 120:25, 121:3, 122:10, 204:4 Rip - 228:5, 229:23, 268:9, 274:5, 299:13 Ripping - 278:6 Rise - 148:24 Risk - 271:23, 271:25 Role - 112:3 Roles - 114:13, 114:15 Room - 10:16, 14:12, 45:1, 54:22, 55:1, 79:22, 159:3, 159:7, 244:6, 245:6, 245:7, 245:22, 254:11, 254:13, 288:13, 288:18, 288:19 Rooms - 79:23, 79:24 Rope - 55:9, 226:13, 227:8, 227:10 EFTA00063951

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Roster - 20:11, 34:15, 39:16, 99:1, 99:2, 105:23, 105:24, 108:6, 129:16, 255:13, 297:10, 305:6, 305:7 Rosters - 179:17 Rotate - 125:11, 125:19 Rotates - 125:10 Rotating - 107:14 Rotation - 263:22, 263:24 Rotations - 262:3, 262:15, 263:25 Roughly - 20:13, 25:1, 186:5 Routine - 41:6 Row - 34:25, 125:17 Ruse - 286:20 Rush - 216:14 Rustling - 220:7 Cs] Safety - 40:15, 261:1 Saturday - 99:6, 317:2 Saving - 252:18 Saw - 214:4, 214:9, 217:23, 219:18, 220:17, 224:23, 240:12, 277:17, 279:17, 279:18 Scene - 52:1, 225:2 Schedule - 20:11, 35:19, 35:23, 88:2, 307:13 School - 9:14 Scott - 93:20, 93:21, 94:2, 94:12, 95:7 Search - 206:5, 282:24, 283:1 Searched - 283:5 Searches - 205:20, 206:16, 282:3, 282:18, 282:21, 282:23, 283:4, 283:16 Searching - 207:1 Seated - 195:19, 195:20, 195:23, 207:17, 207:18 Seconds - 216:13 Section - 5:19, 6:2, 98:14, 195:3, 282:24 Secure - 127:14, 183:1 Security - 4:14, 5:9, 21:7, 148:16, 271:23, 271:25 Seem - 237:25, 242:20, 284:13 Seemed - 237:23, 238:3, 244:1, 244:3, 244:5, 305:21 Seems - 177:16, 305:22 Self - 21:8, 45:8, 45:12 Send - 87:1 Sending - 165:8 Senior - 3:2, 3:20, 3:23, 97:20, 97:24, 110:11, 270:21, 271:1, 324:10, 328:22 Seniority - 114:1 Sense - 114:4 Sent - 87:2, 87:4, 88:15, 148:1, 148:2, 163:8, 163:10, 165:17, 165:25, 166:6, 290:2, 300:12, 300:17, 300:18, 300:22, 300:24, 301:2, 301:5 Sentence - 24:13 Sentry - 293:2 Separate - 79:3, 79:4, 174:23, 184:1, 204:10, 204:11, 278:24 Separated ~- 183:20, 278:20 Sergeant - 11:17, 11:18 Serve - 82:18 Served - 12:20 Service - 11:3, 118:17 Serving - 114:12, 114:14, 114:18 Set - 79:20, 117:20, 181:3, 185:25, 186:6, 186:13, 186:16, 193:6, 202:23, 215:9, 215:11, 215:20, 221:18 Setting - 7:15, 221:17 Seven - 45:2, 184:23, 212:22, 250:16, 268:12, 268:13 Shaking ~ 241:11 Shape - 196:5 She's - 114:7, 114:9, 118:1, 147:2 Shifts - 35:6, 36:5, 36:16, 107:15, 147:14, 167:24, 281:21, 291:11, 294:4, 306:18, 320:8 Shine - 142:5 Shirt - 227:16, 232:17, 232:18, 232:19, 233:4, 233:5, 233:12, 272:16, 273:15, 273:19, 273:20, 273:22 Shirts - 233:7 Shock - 244:25 Shoot - 206:5 Short - 201:18, 205:13, 205:15, 243:3, 263:19 Shorthanded - 168: 13 Shortly - 7:22, 8:1 Shorts - 232:16 Show - 179:21, 224:6, 297:9, 297:10 Showed - 19:5, 21:2, 265:17, 275:25, 283:24, 298:9, 298:16, 300:6, 320:9 Shower - 80:1, 80:2 Showers - 37:1 Showing - 265:6, 271:7 Shows - 17:22, 18:5, 61:12, 101:2, 154:4, 173:9, 255:14, 282:18 SHU's - 102:1 Shut - 212:14, 212:16 Shuts - 212:13 Side - 79:25, 224:14, 225:17, 225:21, 270:13, 280:5, 280:6, 280:7, 280:8, 280:12 Signals - 121:3 Signature - 6:3, 6:9, 6:13, 6:15, 7:11, 18:17, 146:22, 302:9, 317:15 Signatures - 155:14 , 155:17, 160:4 Signed - 22:24, 24:7, 147:7, 147:9, 154:5, 155:4, 155:10, 171:13, 302:23, 303:5, 316:11, 322:2 Signing - 6:8, 6:15, 7:4, 7:8, 146:12, 146:15, 147:2, 155:21, 156:1, 171:21, 315:3, 317:13 Signs - 33:8, 146:15, 292:22 Simultaneously - 2 14:23 Since - 6:20, 29:17, 76:13, 131:18, 135:23, 168:13, 175:8, 182:22, 295:12 Sing - 146:13 Single - 79:24, 176:24, 269:20 Singular - 227:7 Sir - 4:21, 6:16, 8:13, 8:22, 9:1, 13:14, 15:3, 20:9, 88:19, 104:14, 121:5, 156:13, 179:25, 224:5, 293:24, 294:2, 328:14 Sit - 48:17, 103:13, 173:22, 178:9, 189:19, 189:22, 249:14, 295:14, 319:20 Site - 51:24 Sitting - 9:11, 45:4, 56:14, 94:22, 196:3, 196:7, 196:11, 196:13, 196:15 Situation - 103:6, 103:8, 104:5, 205:6 Six - 43:24, 45:2, 140:4 Skin - 141:15, 142:12 Skip - 177:19 Skipper - 93:20, 93:21, 94:2, 94:12, 95:7 Sleep - 142:1, 197:1, 197:11, 197:15, 197:18, 197:19, 197:21, 199:6, 199:22, 281:1, 281:3 Sleeping - 195:4, 196:22, 196:24, 199:18, 199:24, 200:5, 290:23, 301:12, 301:16 Slept - 195:13, 281:6, 304:4 Slide - 274:6 Sliding - 275:5 Slip - 28:13, 139:23, 146:11, 163:25, 165:4, 165:8, 165:13, 165:17, 165:24, 166:6, 166:7, 172:3, 172:6, 172:10, 175:12, 198:9 Slipped - 274:23, 278:7, 307:6 Slips - 28:14, 28:15, 146:4, 146:5, 159:19, 159:20, 159:22, 179:18, 198:5, 304:7, 319:7, 319:13, 320:23, 320:24, 321:24, 323:11, 323:13, 325:1 Slot - 79:24, 209:24, 209:25, 210:2 Slow - 241:24 Smacked - 116:4 Smock - 45:16, 45:18, 46:21, 83:4 Smooth - 287:21 Snuck - 259:10 Solo - 58:4 Somebody's - 121: 4, 125:15, 125:18, 141:14, 145:10, 269:16 Someone's - 71:2, 82:8, 120:22, 122:4 Sometime - 16:18, 25:17, 92:14, 218:8, 307:7 Sometimes - 16:19, 33:8, 39:24, 68:7, 79:6, 93:8, 168:13, 173:24, 173:25, 178:2, 178:3, 199:5, 201:19, 204:25, 250:5, 300:20, 300:21, 307:15, 321:3 Somewhere - 23:25 , 65:6, 82:6, 105:24, 123:15, 124:16, EFTA00063952

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124:18, 186:10, 186:13, 187:8, 221:5 Soon - 81:13, 135:7, 135:9, 137:18, 137:23, 212:12, 214:16, 214:17, 237:16 SOS - 111:5 Sound - 39:11, 57:14, 190:11, 197:5, 255:8 Sounds - 257:22, 316:18 Space - 186:20 Span - 312:5, 314:22, 326:20 Spark - 165:20 Sparking - 165:22 Speak - 47:21, 116:9, 143:5, 144:17, 285:24, 294:13, 327:16 Speaking - 20:19, 24:12, 163:20, 164:24, 304:9 Specialist - 3:19, 11:19, 11:20, 13:23, 14:2, 110:12, 115:22 Specifically - 32:1, 49:6, 57:25, 68:12, 78:4, 87:25, 91:14, 139:5, 170:7, 207:20, 274:2, 300:11, 307:21, 307:24 Specifics - 242:17 Spell - 3:22, 243:11 Split - 184:10 Spoke - 43:17, 109:17, 179:22, 192:17, 219:9, 302:8, 304:5, 306:6 Spoken - 164:7, 304:13 Sporadic - 117:19 Spot - 318:3, 319:22 Spray - 21:7 Stack - 86:17 Stairs - 181:8, 184:16 Stand - 144:1, 244:16 Standard - 27:13, 84:23, 175:7, 241:21, 316:25 Standing - 140:8, 220:25, 221:9, 221:10 Stands - 149:23 Star - 189:12 Stars - 177:25 Start - 3:23, 24:17, 34:3, 34:21, 98:11, 100:12, 147:19, 230:2, 230:4, 240:11, 313:16 Started - 10:24, 11:1, 11:4, 33:24, 35:20, 109:10, 109:11, 116:1, 228:4, 235:2, 235:5, 235:15, 278:10, 296:8, 310:20 Starting - 8:7, 147:16 Starts - 33:25, 180:3, 180:5, 246:16 State - 284:10 Stated - 5:20, 257:4 Statement - 5:14, 6:21, 257:3 Statements - 4:13, 5:9, 255:21, 289:6 Station - 185:25, 186:20, 186:24, 187:2, 187:8, 187:20, 188:2, 188:19, 188:20, 189:3, 190:8, 207:21 Stay - 42:20, 77:22, 85:24, 92:7, 93:4, 93:15, 95:14, 97:5, 97:11, 147:25, 180:18, 197:11, 235:19, 245:6, 254:18, 289:19 Stayed - 245:7, 269:10, 289:20 Step - 14:19 Stepped - 288:25 Steps - 71:16, 184:15, 187:14, 187:15, 187:16 Stipulations - 285:1 6 Stop - 238:16 Stopped - 254:1 Straight - 60:25, 61:1 Street - 3:13, 269:17 Stressor - 250:6 Stretch - 236:7 Stretcher - 251:8, 251:25, 252:7, 252:11, 252:14, 252:21, 254:19, 287:14, 287:20, 287:22, 288:9 Stretchers - 252:14 Strike - 284:17 String - 226:9 Stringed - 226:5 Study - 9:21 Subject - 4:10 Submitted - 316:4 Such - 58:6, 74:6, 134:10, 136:15, 243:3, 261:12, 293:2 Suicides - 84:14 Suite - 3:13 Sunnyview - 8:24 Super - 102:5, 183:1 Supervising - 128:1 0 Supervisor - 15:25, 16:2, 102:2, 102:4, 128:2, 128:7, 128:10 Supervisors - 86:11 , 98:14, 98:23, 99:10, 166:14, 166:16, 289:2 Supply - 14:13 Support - 290:7 Surely - 8:17 Surrounding - 162: 2 Suspension - 295:6 Swear - 8:9 Switch - 144:2, 212:10, 212:12 Switched - 107:14, 163:16 Syllabus - 18:10 System - 19:23, 21:1, 159:13, 192:11, 192:18, 264:10 Systems - 193:6 Ta - 222:22 Tags - 292:9 Taken - 5:13, 75:15, 86:23, 104:17, 131:24, 132:1, 132:13, 132:14, 135:1, 135:3, 135:6, 137:18, 159:14, 159:16, 216:11, 216:13, 253:23, 263:11 Takes - 64:18 Taking - 52:19, 199:25, 257:22, 257:25, 259:25, 260:11, 260:14, 261:9, 261:13, 261:17, 275:8, 278:16, 278:18, 314:11, 319:14, 324:11 Talk - 56:14, 56:15, 76:19, 80:22, 94:4, 111:17, 138:16, 139:5, 147:8, 179:11, 206:2, 213:7, 284:24, 289:2, 290:3, 290:4, 290:9, 295:14, 315:10 Talked - 34:19, 34:21, 43:24, 49:3, 88:18, 273:12, 317:21, 317:22, 318:5, 322:24 Tally - 28:11, 139:20, 140:5 Target - 10:1 Taught - 286:19 Teach - 32:23, 241:15, 241:18, 249:16 Team - 290:7 Technically - 184:3, 268:24, 280:2, 308:16, 308:19 Telephone - 98:3 Teleprompter - 20:2 0 Telling - 163:24, 239:11 Temporarily - 136:2 1 Ten - 103:10, 223:24 Thanks - 36:19, 89:11 Themselves - 3:22, 45:23, 45:25, 62:13, 70:7, 148:23, 175:2, 250:3, 272:10 Theoretically - 136: 25 Thereafter - 81:13, 237:16 They'd - 137:14 They'll - 82:23, 113:18, 168:14, 168:15 They've - 19:13, 248:15 Thinking - 10:2, 184:2, 185:10, 187:1, 187:3, 290:11 Thinks - 306:25 Third - 185:12 Thomas’ il Thought - 34:19, 51:19, 61:9, 89:6, 182:18, 248:18, 296:14, 300:14, 311:19, 321:17, 321:22 Threaten - 261:16 Threats - 5:22, 285:7 Three - 10:19, 77:14, 96:15, 133:7, 134:5, 134:7, 147:14, 157:2, 157:9, 159:5, 162:2, 174:23, 184:14, 215:3, 252:6, 257:1 Throughout - 119:1 7 Throw - 228:13 Tied - 225:25, 226:3, 226:13, 274:12 Tiers - 140:4, 154:8, 154:10, 154:14, 154:15, 182:8, 186:14, 186:21, 192:25, 193:10, 193:19, 194:15, 215:9, 215:11, 221:18 Till - 33:18 Timeframe - 139:2, 139:4 Timeframes - 41:3 Tipped - 248:14 Tired - 156:9, 156:11, 160:25, 170:15, 178:3, 221:16, 244:12 Tissue - 27:22 Today - 4:10 Today's - 3:10 Toel - 326:11 Together - 54:14, 103:20, 103:23, 225:21 Told - 40:11, 69:7, 69:8, 69:11, 75:14, 110:8, 129:2, 136:11, 136:13, 136:14, 207:24, 208:1, 244:16, 289:25 Ton - 21:3, 253:6 EFTA00063953

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Too - 196:2, 269:25, 276:8, 278:13, 282:10, 282:11, 298:5 Took - 10:7, 44:2, 50:4, 50:17, 164:18, 164:21, 215:10, 219:21, 235:14, 245:19, 245:21, 259:19, 274:9, 274:11, 296:15, 302:19 Top - 19:7, 72:4, 158:3, 179:16, 179:21, 180:24, 182:17, 183:16, 232:11, 280:14, 280:16, 281:3, 281:5, 300:15 Tore - 278:23 Torso - 240:1 Totally - 32:16, 203:16, 207:14, 232:13, 280:23, 308:9, 314:23 Touch - 290:14, 290:23, 291:4, 291:8, 291:10 Touched - 136:2, 138:23, 272:4 Touching - 196:9 a Toward - 87:21 Towel - 269:2 Track - 316:16 Tracked - 262:18, 262:19 Train - 249:7 Trained - 245:25, 246:3, 246:6 Trainings - 68:21, 246:8 Transfer - 109:12 Transition - 287:21 Transpired - 50:8 Trash - 282:12 Traumatized - 290: 2 Tray - 209:23, 219:9, 219:21, 282:10, 285:5 Trays - 215:19 Treat - 85:1, 85:3 Tried - 44:18, 44:24, 53:5, 53:11, 53:13, 55:20, 57:7, 277:20 True - 55:23, 99:12 Truscape - 282:25 Trust - 14:7, 14:8, 115:20, 115:21 Truth - 8:10 Truview - 293:3 Try - 25:5, 53:23, 55:12, 58:18, 61:8, 62:12, 108:22, 173:23, 175:2, 199:10, 200:4, 200:11, 269:19, 277:20 me Tucked - 59:20 Turn ~ 212:15 Turning - 279:12, 328:24 Twenty - 219:12 Twice - 109:18, 109:19 Type - 32:10, 37:25, 183:8, 205:6, 213:2, 214:21, 225:13, 235:11, 248:5, 295:19, 300:11, 300:13 Types ~- 32:23, 206:7, 268:10 Typical - 272:12 Typically - 81:14, 81:18, 81:21, 92:11, 102:11, 103:22, 134:5, 134:19, 134:21, 134:22, 140:15, 175:2, 221:13, 271:16, 272:9, 281:16, 298:1 ae a Ugh - 26:20 Unauthorized - 205 124 Uncooperative - 28 2:8 Under - 8:8, 12:5, 27:2, 43:12, 98:8, 142:12, 271:4, 305:12, 308:5, 324:19, 328:10 Understand - 5:19, 8:3, 8:14, 8:21, 41:10, 187:18, 242:12, 308:6, 308:9, 311:4, 312:21, 312:22, 314:24, 315:21 Understanding - 24 216, 27:4, 37:22, 83:20, 100:9, 108:1, 169:4, 258:15, 283:7, 321:23, 323:10 Understood - 198:1 9, 211:2 Union - 3:18, 6:20, 7:6, 295:16, 296:6, 296:11 Units - 44:23, 119:16, 178:22, 191:18 Unless - 37:8, 37:23, 47:15, 166:10, 210:11, 210:17, 210:21, 211:5, 269:16 Unlock - 120:7, 121:10, 122:19, 191:14 Unspoken - 305:20 Until - 34:3, 35:20, 41:13, 43:24, 49:24, 81:7, 102:20, 128:8, 154:5, 210:16, 221:18, 235:23, 269:20, 289:19, 289:20, 298:6 Unusual - 179:4, 179:6, 219:18, 234:23, 284:13 Update - 86:21 Upon - 75:15 Upper - 240:1 Upright - 231:3, 231:5, 231:7 Ups - 136:19 Upstairs - 187:12, 191:17 Us - 7:21, 20:25, 162:6, 170:25, 171:9, 191:18, 201:8, 215:10, 224:1, 245:13 Use - 12:17, 31:20, 124:3, 127:10, 127:12, 191:21, 205:21 Used - 5:15, 5:23, 55:12, 126:2, 150:1, 177:23, 201:20, 272:13, 273:13, 301:25 Using - 56:3, 206:21, 206:24, 207:12 Utilize - 123:20, 191:5 Utilizes - 123:22 Utilizing - 207:8, 272:9 Uttering - 257:14, 257:15 Vaguely - 109:14 Value - 261:12 Variable - 178:12 Variables - 177:9 Varies - 107:13, 107:15, 107:16, 168:16, 201:22 Variety - 20:21 Various - 139:24 Verbal - 106:17, 158:15, 158:16, 158:17, 260:23, 261:5 Verbatim - 6:1, 256:2 Verified - 139:16, 163:15 Verifies - 121:21 Verify - 27:22, 28:7, 141:13, 143:18, 143:24, 150:6 Versed - 299:21, 299:22, 299:24 Version - 267:7 Versus - 178:17 Very - 32:22, 160:1, 173:11 Via - 132:5 Video - 152:23, 302:25, 308:2, 308:10, 321:7, 323:16 Visit - 92:6, 95:10, 97:5, 126:18, 130:3 Visited - 93:5, 119:15, 297:15 Visiting - 119:14, 181:20, 182:4 Visitor - 126:11, 126:14 Visitors - 208:12 Visualize - 91:20 Voluntarily - 4:17 Voluntary - 4:18, 4:23, 5:2, 5:11, 98:8, 271:3, 324:18 Cw) Waist - 232:12 Wait - 123:18, 178:6, 210:23, 286:14 Waited - 286:9 Waiver - 5:19 Wake - 200:5, 200:11, 200:12, 200:14, 241:8, 241:12 Walk - 26:10, 27:21, 73:8, 118:2, 131:25, 143:17, 144:1, 173:8, 202:17, 202:18, 246:13, 266:23, 274:1 Walked - 173:10, 215:19, 224:23, 225:12, 270:7, 276:8, 279:16, 279:23 Walking - 200:20, 202:19, 215:16 Walks - 118:1, 119:16, 139:16 Wall - 236:19, 252:14, 280:12 Wanted - 34:20, 35:12, 56:4, 56:14, 99:20, 163:9, 311:14, 311:15 Wanting - 257:23 Wants - 5:25, 146:8 Warden - 90:13, 90:22, 91:4, 91:22, 92:1, 92:6, 92:11, 92:14, 92:25, 93:1, 93:4, 93:14, 120:8, 289:24, 294:12 Wardens - 93:19, 94:6 Warm - 299:14 Warnings - 4:25, 5:19 Washcloth - 269:2 Watched - 43:1, 45:1, 83:23 Watching - 42:25, 43:9, 43:14, 44:13, 46:5, 46:15, 46:18, 80:20, 81:3, 81:6, 83:9, 200:11 Water - 191:21 Ways - 144:5 Weapons - 21:8 Wearing - 83:15, 83:17, 232:2 We'd - 168:13 Week - 212:23, 250:12, 283:6 Weekdays - 27:9 Weekends - 317:1 We'll - 14:24, 96:14, 96:15, 223:25, 227:2 Wellbeing - 261:2 We've - 230:15, 311:25 Whenever - 23:7, 29:11, 215:6, 328:5 Whereabouts - 276: EFTA00063954

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