DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTIC ie) OFFICE OF THE INS SEPTEMBER 29, 2021 ERVICES te 285 EFTA00063136

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wo wo Wo Ee : The recorder has started. My name is Re. and I am a Senior Special Agent with the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office, and these are my credentials. ee : Okay. I see them. ee : This interview with Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, Hughwon a. is being conducted as part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, or DOJ/OIG investigation. Today’s date is September 29th, 2021. And the time is 8:16 a.m. This interview is being conducted at the OIG New York Field Office, located at 1 Battery Park Plaza, New York, New York. Also present is ASAC, or Assistant Special Agent-in- Charge, a. He is in person. And Special Agent MJ is joining us by telephone. He is also with the DOJ/OIG. This interview will be recorded by me, Senior Special Agent ee. Could everyone please identify themselves for the record, and spell their last name? To start, EFTA00063138

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1 again, I am IG Senior Matulewic Ne] WwW co ite) Oo | ae) | = H | 13] | ‘ and Assuranc 20 Employ 21 Voluntary Basis. And in this line, I'm going 22 to say, this investigation pertains to, a. failure and it’s job performan K oO rt) EFTA00063139

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ee : Job performance failure. All right. So, it says, United States Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to Employees Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. “You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both.” And there is a waiver section. And it says, "I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any EFTA00063140

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1 kind has been used against me.” take a look. If you understand it, 5 signature? Thank you very much for signing. 6 DO you understand form? 3 0 9 3 So, I'm writing - The place is OIG, 4 NYFO. And the time is 8:19 a.m. And I am 5 signing my name as 6 a. can you sign as a witness, please? 7 ae: Mm-hmm. Thank you, sir. ae: Thank you. 20 ee : All right. Before fee} wo 22 you under oath. a. can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth -- n EFTA00063141

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1 Ee : -- during this interview? EFTA00063142

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oo 2 correct that S were not working 3 properly in August 2019? Well, the recorders 5 wasn’t working. The cameras were working. The orders weren’t working. 8 working, but the recordin 0 Ee : Correct. When did you WwW 5 shift. I'm not sure what time. was August 9th, 2019, that you learned? it h A: don’t know if I spoke to : I don’t know why it would be the EFTA00063143

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we will see if that can help 2 help - First, 3 ask tions for, the reports, and 5 Friday? 6 that’s when I went thing I really a lot of hours aft ) a kK i) 3 ‘a 3 on 0) K a) lot of things going EFTA00063144

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There 2 thing: 3 beca aware, now, Ne] WwW dn't No wo rt on The were wo still worki 20 still All the -. but some of was a lot of EFTA00063145

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s) Ww wo Half of them was on -- knowledge or recollection of when those half of ee : I don't know when those half the to obtain 11 EFTA00063146

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wo wo first were, in fact, not On the 3th? EFTA00063147

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b Wo 1 you couldn’t stay to do the work? I couldn’t stay to work, because I 6 9 SIS, 0 to 1 go in the room. At the time, I didn't to fix No ] Q re] oO WwW wo numerous times about room, that I ME: 0, tm talking a like, on August 8th or about cameras. Do you recall EFTA00063148

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1 ee : I don’t recall. ciate Warden. 9 remember learning that, on July 29th, 2019, the 0 rding? 1 This is the first ti -- 2 From (Indiscernible wo I wouldn’t - not know it was any that would EFTA00063149

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Nh Ww old, and it had a lot of problems. ay. Do you know if 6 someone did, like, an improper shutdown, or Ph e created it to shut off? that power r o oO on UPSs, and no 9 that would have created it. It 0 4 ee : Just from age, and wear ww 9 t 20 21 ee : August 8th? The day 22 before? I don’t really recall (Indiscernible EFTA00063150

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WwW | and a. about the cameras not ording on brine couldn’ ct ee : Hmm. I don’t recall that. Do you remember having - ation prior to death, with lieutenant, with Pp EFTA00063151

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N N No Nh wo WwW wo WwW 10th. What conversations did you have with ach of those individuals? 10th, the oO working. On ae : No. Prior to the 10th. we were working ure out what was ordered new hard drives to replace all the drives. That was my That’s what I was going to do that te day. But I couldn’t. do the hard ee : Talking through and the former com tech, a. he’s the computer servic Manager and we talked about bu ng hard driv I actually got a pure order, too. Yeah. ce manager? EFTA00063152

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Ww on co Ww time - he was the computer actually working at the to him about comp little bit more th What was his kind role at the time? was structure of the CONnvE when we hard driv b ive} EFTA00063154

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wo wo 20 all the hard dr ee : And do you remember when you had that conversation? ee : A few days before this happened. And we’ve had numerous conversations about this for weeks because - and probably months - because of the way the hard drives kept failing. The drives would, the recorders would stop working. Ee : So, did you know, then, a few days before this? I'm assuming, when you " say “this,” August 9th, 2019, that the hard drives had failed? ee : I knew it was a possibility they failed. At the time, or the before I left, I knew everything was working. Ee : Before you left when? ee : I'm not too sure, but I'm just saying, like, overall, as far as, like, as far as everything recording, because I’ve checked the recorders. It looked like everything was recording. ee : What day are you speaking about, though? ee : Oh, specifically, before EFTA00063155

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21 1 ed, on the . 2 : on the 9th, 3 ording? Well, when I checked recording. That’s why I co QO first time you found out that it 2 Oh. I 3 saying the 8th, but I t 9 conv EFTA00063156

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Ne] WwW wo ome time around that time, cause I have to have to get the parts to the dri All right. 1g to run through these, just so we keep on track. But it ‘ Do you know, did you know that the cameras weren’t recording prior to August 93th, 2019? : And did you know that it all on DVR-1 or 2? I wasn’t too sure what it Wo EFTA00063158

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Ne] WwW Ww ee : But I know there was a I didn't che prior the failure was? a : Well, I would have to go there was video, there but there was no recorder a on i) o . be b- om Bb 2. i) Oo n Ee : And when did you do that? So, when talking 24 EFTA00063159

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wo ding w that? happened on the 9th now? recording? Why I'm not too But it would have been And you Hey, a. You hear us fine Mm-hmm. w he All right. we were EFTA00063161

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No WwW oo wo ow fon) o ine) Oo wo ine] ine] uw just talking about the recording and how Mr. | would not go in and review a recording without someone requesting him to do so. He doesn't recall specifically who made that request for him to review the recording, but he believ that he re ewed the recording on the 9th, and that’s when he determined that it that correct? 103) wasn’t recording properly. I Ee : All right. And you - and again - you don’t remember why you were reviewing that recording? ee : No. Because we’re in the middle of a -. Well, no, this -. Before Epstein happened, we were in the middle of fu camera project, we had people TDY. So, I was, like, the lead in the building, trying to tell everybody what needs to get done. And I think the day before, I was on 10 South, I was putting in a rack or something, so I was busy that day, and I had a TDY guy on me. 8th? Ee : You got a TDY guy with EFTA00063162

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He was an electrician. 8 ee : An electrician. 9 know which facility he came from? 0 a : No. I'm not too sure. wo person is, and then send me an email? fe) ke oO o 24 ae : -- this TDY emplc EFTA00063163

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N He was with me. We 2 were together all day because we were doing the 3 piping, trying to put the rack in. 5 HR: «Shere the -. Well, for s where the power switch would go, the camera feed, would go. Ev hing will 3 0 : So, it had to do with the 2 The upgrading the new 5 cameras to stop 6 's -. Nothing hardware. 8 was hooked up. It was just wo could 411 right. And do you gust 9th, to make EFTA00063164

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Ne] WwW WwW recording Ee : No, no, no. Prior to the ee : Yes. Prior to the 9th. Ee : And when did you check on, prior, like, how many da Do you a : I don’t really rememb day leading up, a month or two? order the par I don’t know when I ordered the parts. But I had to kr ght you just and you only maintenance? king before. So, I had to EFTA00063165

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wo WwW Lal tal 5 ao o K o = wu a Q (2) I 5] « rt re) fee} wo there, but again, you ordered that because there was a problem with the -- ecorders. Ee : -- with the recorders -- ‘ay Ee : Temporarily. But I knew And the I rt = Oo cc am jen ifs) ct Oo ue} ] Q ie) 5 a p. 5 Q fh Q wy Pp. 3 And what made you know that ee : Talking to the vendor, and talking to ia. and the age of the unit, y i because it was, like, 15 years old. And the u , and on 24 hours ust constantly goes on. And then, when you try to do maintenance, something changing the time, the recording r, like, a whole day, day and a for the drive rebuilding, EFTA00063167

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1 have 3 ee : And before all of this -ually put in a camera project. 5 That’s why I was in the middle of a camera replace 6 main point of 20 that came 21 That’s guy showed up 22 Because new airs in And we weren’t really a priority EFTA00063168

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No WwW No WwW wo list until, of course, Epstein happened. when §S n of contact was ae : He is just, like, the guy we will call if there is a problem, or if training, or if I don't know the So, like, when I saw it, institution I was, was, like, Hh is old, like, I don’t know anything about it. much would walk me trouble shooting, if there is a problem. Ww EFTA00063169

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co Ww Ee : So, it will automatically o the other dr ee : To the other slot. Yes. ordings stop. is the is one -. Is and a | s wu rt ro And that’s when the recording would Oh. The drive went bad. EFTA00063171

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Ww wo on the old EFTA00063173

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Ne] WwW wo From recording. Yes. But the drive n All good. Yes. through my replied to me this, you could look at the you physically lo would think that everything is went somethin g we over was told that there was an application that Well, that was called Supervision. 1] don’t look at I have access to ion is) 5 +t really look at Supervision. I would Nice Vision, and look wu rt Yeah. We were told that, in if were problems EFTA00063174

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Ww wo the one and only person with access to pervision? word, to log in. Well, up not being able to show up, EFTA00063176

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No 1 or you left, or something like that, how would 2 someone gain acce to that? Wo 4 7 fu rt fs] something they 4 would have to try to figure out, but yeah. I 6 ee : But to your knowledge, you’re the only person that had the password to 8 access Supervision? 0 A: kay. And SigNet wouldn’t be able to remote in? 2 ee : No. They have no access 3 to remote in. That’s BOP. They don’t want wo 4 them to be able to backdoor remote into Okay. And when did you - 8 HE: «Oh. «sell, they -. The old system, they were able to, if you had a 5 wo a K 20 (Phonetic Sp. :06) modem, they were able 21 to do maintenar , and tell me, like, the 22 status of the drives. But I would have to 23 physically hook up 56k modem. But at the time, 24 that wasn’t hooked up. Because we did some 25 repairs before, when I was trying to figure EFTA00063177

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Ww co is) | | had to grant in there -- | -- without your -. And y- And do you 22 remember the last time you would have accessed EFTA00063178

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wo Ne] WwW fee} wo w leading up to August 8th, 201 ? Probably. Yeah. And do y k how lo to Do they have, can see when your last log ons were, or like that? anything could tell could call computer then they you my whatever, whatever I logged into. time. Yeah. like, the only you were not accessing Supervision at all? to do Hmm. I mean, some stuff on it, but I don’t even think I remembered how time - I don’t really remember. But the point being, in case, you didn't find out the recordings had eof t stopp application, thing that 44 EFTA00063179

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2 believe so. No. 3 And you did not co to do it, 6 really familiar with the application, is it o 20 21 ee : I wouldn’t kno ee : No. You don’t believe EFTA00063180

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46 a reason for you to go And what would be Ne] you Ne] WwW 4 like, when they remoted in, stuff on the dri 6 SigNet c the phone, and they were showing me 7 how to fix the drives before. wo at would have been, of when that happened? upervision has a - EFTA00063181

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wo rvision. pervision? All right. August 9th is the first time you think knew that EFTA00063183

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o tell you 2 the recording 3 Ss ~O Q 0) ct hat WwW kind of hard. And for SIS, or nobody to tell a 0) ke ct a o a wu =I D Rk wu it) weren’t recording, 9 or we've tried to pull video and it wasn’t 0 working. Th 21 HE: S81) right. All righ remember these, we’re goin s kind of weird, too. rt .Q EFTA00063184

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Ww co Ww wi oO Mm-hmm. And then, we will have tell me about And who was it that told EFTA00063185

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Ww wo -ion, of what they told happened, and where it was? And did th y9rming the captain? No. 51 EFTA00063186

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WwW this thing fixed. probably was But I'm not And EFTA00063187

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Ww wo on August 8th, 2019, in ee : And she said -. And if I was the understanding that, on id, she didn't work -- but she got EFTA00063188

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wo I would wait ant your do that. EFTA00063189

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Nh ie] wo Ne] WwW wo , if it did happen on the 8th, I don’t really wu remember the 8th. I remember the 9th more cifically. But it did on the 8th. I would tf ve went to the room, and ju the drives, because that’s the only thing I would do. Ee : All right. I'm going to d and do, on with this - interview report from when you -- Mm-hmm. u remember, said interviewed by the Yes. I was. on March 12th, i] to just read, I’1l just read the whole thing, I'm going so that we’re not missing anything. It says, birth and tel phone number, was wi uw EFTA00063190

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Ne] WwW - Andrew Plaza, During the intervi 0 correct so far? 2 a : And we’re just going to WwW in with 6 ‘a started working for the Bureau of 7 Prisons in. and worked in both New York 8 and Indiana. tion, w 20 Corps for fou EFTA00063191

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wo o wo ine) oO ine] advised that the cameras at MCC were out of date. The recorders frequently went bad, and the cameras were all analog, and not maintained properly.” ee : “The camera system was over 20 years old. Sometimes, the screen would be active, indicating that the camera was working. However, the video would not be recording.” a : yO advised that only one hard drive of the camera system was working, at the time of the incident, on August 10th, 2019. When a DVR went bad, none of the cameras recorded. There was a system failure of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019, and the motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 2019. The hard drive failure occurred on August 10th, 2019.” Is that something that you provided to them? ee : Yeah. I probably did. Yes. es : So, can you just explain to me what we’re talking about here, because it EFTA00063192

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wo Ss ket its) So That’s what would have happened with that week and 29th EFTA00063193

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wo wo 20 N c N nN N a Nh Nh uw I had to call with a. I contacted another BOP facility, and then, I took the computer apart, and he just pretty much replaced the motherboard, and got the DVR-2 to start working. ee : I believe they probably spoke to Signet then. I'm not too sure with the date hing is -. I’ve been I'm not really good 2019, with the system failure, would have that stopped the recordings? would have stopped the recordings. understanding that, after July 29th, the stem failure i) recordings were working? wi ) EFTA00063194

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co Ww o o Ee : And that’s, well -- only see if it wo was working, if it was I thought wouldn’t into the would rything looks play back and, like, oh, wow, nothing s when EFTA00063195

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Ne] WwW Ne] WwW wo All right. you are aware, though, on July 29th, 2019, it stopped recording, but your understanding was that you ot it working again. know if to work again? uo ct i] KR ct Oo o Everything st All right. And do you you checked on it for say, let’s say Oth of the on. you would have think I don’t would ha somebody told me it EFTA00063196

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Ne] WwW WwW this come into play? How do we know failed on motherboard I wrote, I must hav What is I remember replacing a d what that? stein 10th. that the replac motherboard. does a re not EFTA00063197

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ee : So, this is the SigNet 24975. number fF >: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. comment sec Ee : So, there is a comment EFTA00063198

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And obviot to be wrong. I'm sure -- Mm-hmm. it will restart and begin initialization. ie kK : n-hen. 7 Ee : It talks about the 8 pass d. And it talks about different Mm-hmm. £4 1S a comment Ww 2019, at 8:02 5 he had two bad driv 7 Ee : “of the Nice Vision Pro wo 0) EFTA00063199

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Ww Ww | i rt oO o o Q oO = Hi) wu u im = wu oa pa 0 for the raid array. hwon did not have Mm-hmm. Eee : “He checked with his had any e them. He called SigNet for phone urday, August 10th -- Eee : “He attempted to replace rebuild. EFTA00063200

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Ww co rebuilt, and all da er shutdown of the raid on a raid fi two driv Mm-hmm. ds to -- the raid ne o 0) o @ ” is wiped from the raid.” Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. refreshing huh. that I'm not just tell me if that - That sounds a little that, actually, on EFTA00063201

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Ne] WwW co Ww the room. EFTA00063202

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drives, two bad drives. So, So, would it have been And then, and that’s y when I called SigNet, okay, two I probably got the rebuild it. like, from the 8th. EFTA00063203

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Ww wo the room - so, I probably on the 8th. I'm not too All right. Well, this I know, but I -- - I was doing, like, a =n doing a million So, on the 8th, you from reading this -- This. Yes. io EFTA00063204

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Nh h No wo Ne] WwW wo Ee : All right. Because that way that it reads, I tho didn't have them on the when he gained access to started to rebuild.” That’s how this reads. sounds right. Yeah. you actually did it on the 10th, and not the ee : Yeah, I know I replaced s when you didn't do re t hinking that actually the 8th. Hmm. I probably know being bad, and I went to go -- so, on the 8th, you EFTA00063205

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didn't go in the hing on the 8th -- 9 ; O \ ) A + 7 D 9 + 7 22 hardware, but then, on the 10th -- 24 to the room. 25 Ee : -- and previously, what EFTA00063206

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wo WwW wo 23 you told us that, is that you found out on the 9th, and then on the 10th, you didn't have wu so on the 10th, you did u could do it then. I was going to be doing So, I was goi to be there : You were going to be Yeah, because we had TDY kay. you were going to be working on the 10th, overtime, regardles 3) of Regardl . . was to do with my overtime. I was doing a proj Ee : All right. Because we when | about, like, how someone approved your overtime to work on the 10th, to work on this camera issue. ee : No. This was not for EFTA00063207

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Ww 5 Ee: «92 -- «like, who would have co Would it captain? 1 ee : I don’t know who 2 it, but we were already working on the camera Ww So, that’s what I was doing. So, you weren’t -- -- this had nothing to do fee} ie] C \ | w O l with this. And if u B- ct 7 it tomorrow, I probably, 24 don’t could deal with it first thing in the morning tomorrow. EFTA00063208

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; ve aiant if you didn't you couldn’t 7 Ee : How were you going to but there was on Saturday re was -. was just in the video room. EFTA00063209

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wo if, can you check the roster if || was scheduled, or a. or Hold on (Indis« 01). 10th. At 7? EFTA00063211

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Ww Ww outside perimeter. But he still had, would it, Ee : When would have you en with him? I would h did he you just EFTA00063212

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wo monitor. All right. in the S Great. All right. the phone monitor. So, is on the 8th, this thing wasn’t -- EFTA00063213

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wo to go fix it? EFTA00063214

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Ne] WwW WwW had all the All right. Now, in e explained And she talked to the captain, and tt his done today. And that - so many times, as ce, why would this day be hem. And that’s when I couldn’t go ir would co rar EFTA00063216

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ing up to it, 2 Like, why would -. 3 ybody is trying 5 : Yeah. 6 -- okay, this is what 7 happened, but before that, 8 To be honest with you. wo oO | | 2 or aren't working. Oh, those 3 recorders weren’t working. oO} . Fix it, we will go from there. But 4 | . And 8 Q 20 within the BOP -- Nh i) o i) K ba) oO ct a iu) a] Pp. o if) rt Pb: ct c rt fue Oo =] Nh on) K om fu =) very (Indiscernible EFTA00063217

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deal. This Te 12] ct ct o 03) rt fw he 5 says, she said she wrote a memo, wo they would ha 0 would h yed in the building. I would never get to go home. And that’s what I’ve 2 done before in my other institution. Any time or if there is a big failure, WwW that’s where 7 ee : And that’s what they are wo 23 on the 8th, provided to 24 said, “Make sure it’s fixed.” She’s saying that the next time she saw on the co Wo EFTA00063218

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N WwW wo 7) WwW wo Nh Nh uu 24 10th, and finds out that the video wasn’t you, why didn't you fix problems, it tak I have to rebuild drives. Even I rebuild the drive, the next day it’s m ee : It’s going to take a couple of days. And after I rebuild the wu hh ct @ ai “+ @ that’s the question of, why didn't you start working on it immediately, on Well, I was working on it, fos) EFTA00063219

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a priority. Ne] body to a memo to a memos before when 3 0 1 * :16) about previous memos. 2 got to be 3 pr you don’t think that I would not say that EFTA00063220

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