DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL JULY 12, 2021 EFTA00062649

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wo wo 24 MR. a : The recorder is on. My name is Po with the U.S. Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General New York Field Office and these are my credentials. All right. This interview with sons lieutenant federal Bureau of of an official U.S. Department of Justice rt Office of the Inspector General investigation. Today’s date is July 12, 2021, and the time is 1:06 p.m. This interview is being conducted at the federal correctional institution Danbury located in Danbury, Connecticut. This is the training center. What is it the -? MR. QJ: «sree center? MR. a : What does it stand for do you know? MR. a : SPI - whatever. It’s the training center. MR. a : Yeah. It’s the training Janbury on the Wo EFTA00062651

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1 pr erty. : 3 i DOJ OIG No WwW 3 0 am Lieutenant PF 2 Thank you sir. This is 3 investigation to the death stein and th surrounding 5 circumstan u're being asked to 6 voluntarily provide answers to u agree to a voluntary interview with wo 21 form that we have for our voluntary interviews. to everybody that’s voluntary just so you know that it is voluntary. You know 24 can EFTA00062652

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I’m going to read it to you for the record. It’s United States Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary proceedings or both. Then there’s the waiver which says I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me. And there’s the - right here - employee signature and EFTA00062653

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ow oO wo wo nn employee’s name. You want to read that yourself. Feel free to. If you agree just sign MR. a : So it says job performance failure and security failure according to-. MR. a : That’s for everybody. We're giving that - that’s just the blanket statement we’re providing to every single person that we interview. MR. a: -™mm MR. Ee : It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ve done anything wrong. It’s just that’s what the investigation is looking into. You know security failure of the institution - job performance failure. Because someone died in this matter. And looking into the surrounding circumstances with it. Everybody’s being provided that same - MR. QJ: 9 Okay. MR. a : -- that same information. Okay. So I just singed my name as the Special Agent. And I’m printing my name. Again this MR. QJ: his is Special Agent J. EFTA00062654

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] I am signing as a witness. MR. Ee : Okay. And Special Agent a. if you don’t mind, just place the date and time. Again it is July 12, 2021, and the time is 1:10 p.m. now. And the place is FCI Danbury Training Center. Thank you, sir. Okay. Did you understand that form? MR. QJ: 9 veah. MR. ae : Okay. Cool. Is there any other questions you want to ask about that though? MR. a: I mean it’s voluntary is that MR. Ee : Yeah. Exactly. Voluntary. You don’t have to answer. And again that job performance failure - security failure that’s something we’re telling everybody that that’s the purpose of our interviews is to figure out - all that kind of stuff with regard to this matter. Before starting the interview, I’d EFTA00062655

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wo Ne] WwW wo MR. a : And then is that when you came here to the FCI Danbury? for a promotion? mo wu J I got TDY down there. So I was MR. ae: Yeah. I got TDY for about four months. MR. a: Temporary Duty. Like I was picked up. I got my promotion, but I had a few months until I Danbury. You were promot to an 11 but they had you stay down there as an 11 for four months? MR. K o ny] J EFTA00062660

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wo wo 14 own knowledge. What is the difference between a 9 lieutenant and an 11 lieutenant? MR. a : Pretty much you could - if you at 9 you can’t run the institution. Because it’s not a higher rank. So like 11 or the only ones who can without a captain. You’re the highest. But a 9 you can’t be the highest. MR. a : So does that mean like as far as like being the ops lieutenant versus the activities’ lieutenant? MR. ae: Nah. You could be o ue] rr) wu ifs) fu is) MR. QJ: Okay. MR. QJ: «But - but -. MR. a: So like acting captain you mean? MR. a: No. Say like if it’s a 32, it’s like evening watch. Four to twelve or midnight. The 11 is the highest authority. You have to have 11 or above for 9 to be in A 3 a 9 you can’t do that. if authority. EFTA00062662

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] MR. ae: Yeah. MR. Ee : So you can be an ops lieutenant but somebody else has to be there that’s higher than you? shift you worked on August 9th and 10th of Yeah. If you a 9 yeah. Okay. Do you recall what We'll just talk about August 9th. August 9th, It’s August 9th - sorry. 2019 that wa i] the day before Epstein was found mn dead. It was a Friday. was day watch. you the daily roster from that date just do you So the Friday. I probably Okay. I’m going to give can reprint it. document - you don’t have to do it right away - Yeah. Um anytime I give you a but you can - I’m just going to have you Hh initial and date each document. It’s just for the record we can say that’s the document you EFTA00062663

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= nn 1 looked at. And we don’t like replace 2 something. You know what I mean? 7 MR. ae: Yeah. I did overtime from o Oo Q fo) ct is) in oO o From 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 wo a Ww is) ct a 5 MR. a : Do you know if you - 16 there were the specific times that you worked? I know for instance the individual that was the She didn’t wo n ct i K rt o 5 rt # c 4:00 p.m. because she had her 20 regular time shift until 4:00 p.m. N c a Mm-hm. Would that mean that you N nN 5 k 23 had worked until 4:00? Or would you still have 24 stopped at 2:00? I don’t know. ine] uw a ca 5 EFTA00062664

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ow oO oo wo wo MR. a : Do you usually have to wait until the new activities’ lieutenant comes on board? MR. a : Mm that’s ; was -. But she wasn’t a lieutenant here though. MR. QM: No. 39 She was an SIS, but she got I guess temporarily promoted. At least for that day to be able to be the activities’ lieutenant. But she was in attorney conference until 4:00 p.m. And she didn’t start as the activities’ lieutenant until 4:00 p.m. MR. aa: I don’t remember. But I know we usually - even though it says 8:00 to 4:00, we usually do 6:00 to 2:00, 2:00 to 10:00 anyway. MR. QJ: Yeah. MR. a: We relieve people early. MR. a : Right. And my understanding is it’s for traffic purposes. MR. BMJ: soi came on then. She wouldn’t have to stay until Fh the 9th I would have 4:00 I don’t know. MR. a : How does that typically work though I guess. Would it be - do you have to be relieved before you can leave? EFTA00062665

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ow oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 18 MR. a: Mm you mean for me? MR. Ee : Yeah. Like if you’re the activities’ lieutenant at the MCC back in August of 2019. Are you allowed to leave before the new activities’ lieutenant takes over? Or do you have to wait until she’s done? I’m just trying to help refresh your memory if you can -. MR. a: I’m not sure. I know how we do it is someone day I got you. I’11 cover you. Then we relieved. MR. a : But you don’t specifically remember this date? MR. GJ: No. MR. a : Not the fact that like Epstein died the day after. Does that help you like kind of refresh your memory of what your involvement may have been? MR. a: I know I was doing day watch. I was doing day watch. I do know that. But as far as who relieved and all that. No. I don’t remember that. MR. Ee : All right. We can probably just grab your time and attendance records then later just to try to EFTA00062666

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] (Indiscernible * *00:12:34) that down. But you 3) t can’t remember at this point? MR. ae : What you asked me was I there? MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. Just I mean from the 2:00 to 4:00. You don’t remember jus if you would have - you had to wait until | was actually in place before you left or not. MR. a: Nah. I don’t know. I could have been there at 4:00 because I left at 2:00. I’m not sure. MR. a : Okay. Fair enough. MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : So you either worked until 2:00 p.m. or 4:00 p.m. you just don’t recall. mR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : All right. And who did you - on that date - who would have you primarily worked with? MR. a: Mm ... I don’t know. Because Friday -. I don’t know why I’m doing overtime on Friday. I’m trying to think. And | is normally not the ops lieutenant though either. EFTA00062667

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S) Nh t Nh No N WwW wo 7) WwW wo WwW 20 MR. a : Is that because he was a SHU lieutenant. MR. ae: Oh no-no-no || was the SHU lieutenant. Okay. So if I’m on Friday and MR. MJ: «Well here if -. MR. ae: Maybe. I don’t know. You have my what’s her name records? MR. a : This is Saturday. So I’m giving you the daily assignment roster. MR. ae: I’m thinking this is my off. I’m thinking Friday was my day off. So I came in for the overtime on Friday. If I’m on Friday and S then I would be ops. That’s what I’m thinking. MR. a: Did you work on Saturday? MR. a: Saturday I was off. MR. a : Okay. So you’re not on Saturday? EFTA00062668

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] b MR. a: Yeah. I wasn’t there that day. MR. a : Okay. But you just can’t remember if you worked until 2:00 p.m. or 4:00 p-m. on August 9th. MR. GJ: No. MR. Ee : Again there’s no reason that I’m asking you this specifically right now. It’s just to try to make sure we know what time you worked there. MR. ae: Well you trying to see if there’s a pattern of -. MR. a : no-no-no. Not a pattern. It’s not looking at you. It’s just to - you know when we talk to people, we say like what time were you there from. Just because in maz didn’t start until - because there’s no reason for us at this point rr knowing tha to get your time and attendance records. Because again we’re just talking to everybody that was there on each day. EFTA00062669

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1 MR. QJ: 9 wm-hn. 2 MR. a : I’m just trying to -. 3 When we talk to you, we just need to lock down 4 each person. What time were you there until? 5 MR. a: I don’t know. 6 MR. a: We have specific questions about what happened during the day. But if 8 you’re not there during the day during that wo n ue] o ie] p- Kh a a 0 MR. a : Some questions might not 2 MR. ae: Apply to you. That’s what 3 we’re trying to figure out. 4 you there until. 5 MR. ae: I mean so you want to ask me 16 questions up until 4:00 is what you’re saying? wo a3 e = you can do it but if I 20 don’ remember I just say I don’t remember. 21 MR. a : Yeah. That’s fine. You 22 just don’t. but at this point you just don’t 23 know if you were there until 4:00. 24 MR. QJ: No. 25 MR a : Um and you don’t remember EFTA00062670

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wo wo relieving a. Or | relieving you. MR. ae: no. yu remember being MR. QM: 0? All right. But I then that goes back to my original gues 7] question. Do you need to be relieved by someone in order to leave? MR. a: Um normally. It depends. there be just an ops lieutenant and no activiti lieutenant on during the day? MR. a: Yeah. That could be any day. MR. a : So it’s just - there’s no-. these are genuine questions. We don’t know the answers to these. So ‘'s not like abnormal to ha just like a two-hour gap where there’s no activities’ lieutenant? MR. a: No. We was going a lot of work up until this. We were doing a lot of work. So some days you’ll be there. I’m quite sure looking at the records, EFTA00062671

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 institution. Running the institution. MR. Ee : And what does a round consist of as a lieutenant? MR. a: Going up to the unit. Speaking to the officer. If you want, go to unit team. Do the tiers. See what’s going on. MR. a : Now at that time, did lieutenant -? When you say go do tiers. Were Lieutenants responsible for conducting rounds of inmates as well? Like you know walking up and down the tiers to make sure? MR. a: Something like that. I mean that’s - are we - the lieutenants responsible for that? MR. a : Yeah. I know that that’s the CO’s primary responsibility. But when you are conducting a round in like a unit, specifically we’ll talk about the SHU. If you visit the SHU, and on this date, there was no SHU lieutenant. Correct? MR. a : So if you were visiting the SHU, are you responsible to conduct any rounds of the tiers as a lieutenant? MR. a: Yeah. The lieutenant has to EFTA00062673

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wo wo 20 N ras N Nh N a Nh Nh uw make a round in SHU each shift. MR. a : So when I say the SHU, is it - but when you visit just visiting the SHU? Checking in with the officers? Or do you - I mean - checking in with the COs or is it if) actually also doing a round of - where the inmates are located and looking in their cells? MR. a: I mean yeah, that -. Okay. You mean exactly what do you supposed to specifically do? Yeah. I guess what I’m asking is what does a lieutenant round in the I don’t know. I know for me, used to like to go down the tiers. inmates. To actually check on the So you’re actually doing Do a whole complete round. a round of the inmates not just doing a you’re actually doing round N nn EFTA00062674

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oo wo wo in the SHU to say hey are you guys good with MR. ae : Yeah. Unless something happens. Like if something happens you know. to They just say you all right - it was a BA. All right. I’11 be back or something like that. But. MR. a : Right-right. You mean if you got called out or something like that - you needed the run. MR. ae: That or they call you. MR. QJ: | Right. MR. a: Something specific to a specific tale or -. MR. a : Yeah-yeah. But were you i rr fa just in general not just specifically you? It’s any lieutenant. If there’s no SHU lieutenant responsible to do a round on day watch of the inmates when they visit the SHU. MR. a: I’m not sure. HK 10) fs] oO rt sure. But you did. MR. a : That day? MR. a : No I mean just in EFTA00062675

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wo wo general. Like when you would visit the SHU you would do that? MR. ae : Yeah. Say like if I fill in or whatever. And there’s no SHU lieutenant to say hey you got to make a round. All right. Or you have activities do it or whatever. MR. a : So ops lieutenant tells you to do the round? MR. a : Anyone could say hey I’m going up there or hey I got the round or whatever. MR. ae : Does a lieutenant have to round on that shift? MR. a: That would be yeah you to do a round. lieutenant on day watch on August 9, 2019, had do wu to do a round in the SHU of the inmates? MR. a: On day watch? MR. QJ: Ss Yeah. MR. QJ: 9h yeah. MR. a : What about night watch and morning watch? Do they have to do it on those? MR. a: Night watch and morning watch EFTA00062676

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wo because there’s things that have happened in the past month that now is creating a -- the MR. QJ: 9 oh with Yeah. case. That we now have to interview a ton of people to be able to find out who was there, what happened, and all that Yeah. But I’m not sure about that. MR. a : All right. And are you Did you ever work or wo N ins) ine) rs a No Nh ine] uw visit the SHU while Epstein was ned to the SHU in July and August 2019? MR. MR. a : Did Epstein have a cellmate when he was in the SHU? MR. a: Up until that day, right? there was a reason cellmate? MR. QJ: =oIn double bunked. Yes. And do why Epstein was assigned a you’ re supposed to be Okay. So -. EFTA00062679

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wo wo MR. ae: Even if you don’t have the whole prior thing before. MR. a : So everybody in the SHU is supposed to be? MR. a : So as far as who would who wouldn’t be assigned a cellmate? MR. a: House alone, rec alone inmates. You know hunger strike inmates, MR. a : But Epstein was one of those inmates that should have had a cellmate? MR. ae: Yeah. He was a regular Okay. Um are you aware empted to commit suicide And were you to that? MR. QJ: 9 No. MR. a : Were you - did you have any involvement with it? Ww No EFTA00062680

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wo wo incident? No. MR. a : No. Do you know what transpired? around his neck. In his cell. Did you ever hear any rumors that his cell mate may have tried to harm him? MR ° Oh ve about um -. eah. I heard about You’ re talking that. Y What did you hear about That it was a ploy for him to get bail. s your understanding that he Something like that. bt to harm himself? Or was it your understandin Q 1 = that his c mate tried to harm him? rumor? understanding of -- mR. QJ: 9 the oO You’re talking about the Yeah. What is your rumor was the -- what actually -? ies) Wo EFTA00062681

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Nh No wo Ne] WwW wo MR. ae: -- also had a high-profile for a bail hearing. So they made it look like ae: es : MR. Do you think there was MR. ae: I don’t know. Not after 3) All right. believe that he did actually try to harm himself on July 23rd? Um do you know as watch. MR. a : Okay. And what happens EFTA00062682

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oo wo wo ies) uw on suicide watch? Is that outside of the SHU? MR. QJ: 9 yeah. MR. a : And then after you get placed on suicide watch. Is that a temporary thing and then you get moved over to psych observation? MR. a: Not all the time. No. s up to psych. Psych makes that call. MR. a : Do you - are you aware if Epstein was outside of the SHU and on suicide watch or psych observation for approximately one week? MR. a: I know he was definitely on there. Because I remember seeing him. MR. a : You saw him there? were doing rounds? there? MR. QJ: 931 had to - because I’m the one who does the showers. MR. ae: For suicide inmates. Or watch if you’re down there. So he was i] Pp down there one day - probably a couple days. EFTA00062683

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Nh Nh No N WwW wo 7) WwW wo WwW But I know I took him to the shower one time. ah. interaction with him. ) Yeah. 5 While he was on suicide Fs) Suicide watch. Yeah. 7) MR. Okay. And I just thought - I thought you were only on suicide we like 24 hours. And then after that it was called psych observation. Is that not your le understanding? ite} MR. H t 07) MR. os 4 wu rt +) wu ue] n < ie] x a fw } bh in the same location. Correct? MR. a: Yeah but people who are on 5 K o i) rr w a So your understanding the ole time he called suicide watch’? EFTA00062684

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WwW wo WwW wo 23 u allow ive) —) I don’t remember. 5 kay. whole time he was there. 5 4 : Um do u know when he removed from suicide watch? MR. BJ: No. Do you know why he was watch? would be moved becaus icide mattress. And a suicide blanket. And retty much no approved it, there’s a book erence? What c fa wu te A a a mM observation? MR. a : All right. So when you’ re on suicide watch, you don’t have MR. QR: = Nakea. You’re naked whole EFTA00062685

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ive) o 1 time? And you know if Epstein was naked that 2 whole time? 3 MR. ae : He had a smock anda -. 4 Yeah. He didn’t have no clothes. 5 MR. a : He didn’t have clothes 6 when he was on suicide watch? You can’t have clothes on J 5 8 suicide watch. wo 5 Okay. All right. So 0 does it sound right that he would hav removed about a week later around July 30th. 2 Does that sound like a date -- 3 MR. a: I don’t know. 4 a: -- or you’re not sure? 5 MR. ae: Mm-hm I don’t know. PF Okay. Did you ever receive any instructions from anyone with 8 regard to Epstein being assigned a cellmate wo after he came back from suicide watch? 20 MR. QJ: §=1’m not sure. a : You don’t remember any verbal conversations or anything like that? N c a N Nh Ne N c= on) OD 2 ee Oo ed a bh ini = Q o rt H ~ 3 .Q oO + 3 Q ct 1?) can tell me if Nh uw nv s ° = het is) i= wu 5 oO 3 fu a bh 1D 5 ion ct om @ =] kK is c EFTA00062686

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ive) fe) 1 you remember receiving it. An email froma 2 | aa. Do you know who that is? 3 mR. QR: 9 Yeah. 4 MR. a : All right. It’s to 5 Suicide Watch / Psych Observation Update. And bject is. And it’s from “Inmate Epstein” and 8 it gives his reg number. “Is being taken off wo of psych observation and needs to be housed “” 0 with an appropriate cellmate. you recall receiving -? ho 5 re ah. It’s a generic. We 4 MR. a: You get those? 16 MR. a: There’s names on the back. It shows that you were one of them and 8 that you read it. Do you see your name? Yeah. wo It would be under So. It’s all 20 alphabetical. N c 5 It’s under what? It would be N ho 5 N a id Oh, okay. Yeah. Nh i So does that ring a bell? Do you remember getting that? Nh uw EFTA00062687

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N Fs Okay. Cool. And then do 3 you recall -? So you are aware that he needed 4 a cellmate then. Correct? You already said 5 that you knew he needed one because he was a 6 regular inmate. Right? 7 MR. a: Yeah. But I don’t know what 8 this is at 12:30 the 30th right? 9 - so yeah 0 230 11 So he 2 3 4 Placed back in the SHU 7 MR. a : And just before we 8 forget. Do you mind just initialing and dating wo ct each one of these documents just so that they 20 don’t start piling up? And as well as that N ras 1] mail. Thank you, sir. Now do you remember 22 having any conversations with anyone else like 23 verbal. Like | or anybody regarding the 24 need for him to have a cellmate? 25 MR. EJ: No. EFTA00062688

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wo wo 24 7) w Uf MR. a : Because, I’ma was the most high-profile if not one of the uming, he most high-profile inmates at the time. Correct? i K o w x MR. ae : So would that be something that they would - people would usually communicate with the activities and the ops lieutenant about? MR. a: I mean if you got the email. 5 KK ju J MR. a : You got a follow-up that you wanted to ask something? MR. ae: We’ll finish up on this. Because it’s going back one. MR. a : No-no. Please. Go MR. a: So you mentioned that you had interacted with Epstein when he was on suicide watch. You took him for his showers. MR. ae: How was the interactions with him? MR. a: You know, cuff up, take him EFTA00062689

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ow oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 42 to the shower. MR. a: Did you ever talk to him? MR. : Yeah. 7 MR. a: Was he pleasant? Were there any issues with that? MR. a: He was saying hey, while I’m down here, pretty much he asked why he was down here. I said well, he was like yeah, I’m not suicidal, such-and-such. And you know let me talk to psych so I could get off this. I don’t think he liked it. MR. a: This was immediately after the July 23rd? MR. QJ: 391 don’t know exactly what day it was. But you know it was around there. MR. QJ: «Got it. MR. a: We’re going to follow-up with some of those more lines of questioning later on in the interview. Um so you don’t recall though receiving specific instructions from Captain | or anyone else with regard to Epstein? You just - you do know he needed one and you did get the email? MR. a: These come all the time. Any inmate comes off of watch, they send it out. EFTA00062690

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. a : And should everyone know if someone comes off of watch that they are required to have a cellmate? MR. a: I’m not sure. I mean that’s what they do. They come out. Anyone comes off suicide watch, you put them in with a cellmate. MR. a : Yeah. And that’s pretty general, common knowledge. Correct? And where do you learn that? Is that from your daily operations? Or do you learn that in training as well? MR. a: I don’t know. I guess it’s daily operations. MR. QJ: Okay. «But most people should know that a person coming off of suicide watch is required to have a cellmate. MR. a: Uh I mean it depends. I don’t know. I know we get these emails though. They send them out any time an inmate comes off. You try to put them with a cellmate. But then again like I said in the SHU, it’s you know. Because even if they come off suicide watch, they don’t -. Say like they come off they stay in SHU for a year. They have to have a cellmate for a year. You understand what I’m 43 EFTA00062691

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oo wo wo > saying? So as far as the notice we get, but do everyone know that? I’m not sure about that. MR. a : But you knew. MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : How did you know though? MR. a: I got the email. MR. a : Okay. So, your knowledge is from the email, but earlier, you said that anybody in the SHU, anyway, needs to a cell mate? MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. QJ: 411 right. basically two requirements to him. One, there », he had y was the email that he received; also, the fact that he was in the SHU, and he didn't have any Oo f those special requirements, like, he was going to harm someone else, or something like that, that he should have had a cellmate? MR. QJ: «Right. MR. QJ: 411 right. And do you know if you ever communicated that to anybody, when you visited the SHU in July or August of 2019? MR. a : Hmm. I'm not sure. MR. a : Like, the people that EFTA00062692

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ow oO wo worked in the SHU, would have you would have been as the activities’ lieutenant, if you’re doing a round in there. Is that something that you would address? MR. QE: Bring up? Yeah. If I - yeah - but if he had a - one - if he had a cellmate, though. MR. QM: Richt. MR. a: Yeah. Bring something up if they didn't. Uh-huh. MR. ee : So, you’d only bring it up if you knew he didn't have one? MR. a: So, like, if you say, hey, guys, how many single cells I have? Such and such. Hey, what’s going on? Hey, well, this is the reason. Yeah. when you would visit the SHU - is that A And is that something - something you would ask? How many single cells do you have? vn. SR: TT check-the-box things? Yeah. Is that a like one of the Does everybody that MR. a : I can't speak for everybody. EFTA00062693

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wo wo 20 N c N nN N oy Nh i is rounds. MR. ae: -- you do the rounds, you only say it if you know meone got - a new come in. Okay, you for him. No. Right now, we got to put him in a single something like that. the SHU lieutenant? Okay. And were never SHU lieutenant. remember ever having any conversati anyone in the SHU -- MR. a : -- at the MCC about and his cellmate requirement? All right. So, assignment roster, who with were the MCC’s responsibility for overseeing the SHU on August supervisors on duty, when you were working? It would be me and i. EFTA00062695

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wo wo 20 N ras N Nh N a Nh Nh uw the two of be responsible? you would y- And then, would it shift after you? oO Would that be the activities’ lieutenant and lieutenant? Yeah. when I told you we have to Right. MR. QJ: §9=oIn suv. Yeah. that would be the lieutenants - they would be the lieutenants that would have oversight over the correct? Okay. Pretty much. On August 9th, what communications did you have with any of the other lieutenants with regard to Epstein being housed with the MCC, or the MCC SHU? o EFTA00062696

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wo WwW wo WwW MR. a : And again, thinking back, this is like one of the biggest things that’s tn oO @ ever happened when you wer re, this wo a you remember any conversations you had the day before, with anyone, with regards to Epstein? MR. a : I just know that he used to come MR. ae: Attorney conference, pretty much the whole day. MR. ae: And that’s about it. MR. a: And about what time would he be moved to attorney conference? MR. a: Early. Like, probably 8:00 morning. MR. a: And who would be the person that would move him there? the SHU. SHU staff. Get him out i) EFTA00062697

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ow oO wo wo wi No MR. a : -- on August 9th? MR. a: His cellmate went to court, and either went to transferred, or got released, or something. And never came back. And then, you know, that night, he went out, he went without a cellmate. MR. a : Okay. MR. QJ: 9 veah. MR. ae : So, we’ll get into that. I’1ll ask you a couple more questions, then, just to make sure we stay on kind of page, at the bottom of this page, you see, we’re going to start talking about that inmate. And I’1l just - what you knew about that. You said the lieutenants are responsible for conducting rounds. Are they responsible for conducting counts in the SHU? MR. QR: No. MR. a : No? So, like, just around, nothing to do with counts when you were -? MR. a: Count is for officers. MR. Ee : Okay. And you don’t need to oversee them as the lieutenant, or anything like that? EFTA00062700

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] wi ~] saying. MR. Ee : But there’s no SHU lieutenant, you said, that, you know, you or ia would be responsible. So, I'm saying, would it be abnormal if you didn't do it? So, would you normally have done it? I know you said you’re responsible for it. MR. a: No. The lieutenants are responsible, but if a Monday through Friday, if a SHU lieutenant is there, there’s no reason for me to go up there. MR. ae : But there’s no SHU lieutenant. MR. a: Right. So, but I don’t recall if I did a round or not. No. question wasn’t that. I'm saying, would it have been abnormal if you didn't do one? I know you can't recall it -- MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : -- but would you normally have done it, if there’s no SHU lieutenant? MR. QJ: 9 yeah. MR. a : Yeah? So, knowing yourself, you probably would -. EFTA00062705

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oO) No 3 MR. a : Who would have made 6 roster. They send a sheet up the night before. 7 MR. ae : So, if that’s not on the 8 night before, if on the night before, there’s wo no WAB - and 0 notification was made note - if there’s no WAB 11 -. Well first of all what’s WAB stand for? 2 MR. QJ: 9owith all Belonging 3 MR. a : And if WAB is not next to 4 a’ name on the night before, the August 8th 5 roster, how would have he become aware at 16 around 1:50? Would normally the court call 7 R&D, and R&D pass that information along? 8 MR. a: R&D could have called him. wo a3 So, would R&D call SHU 20 directly, or would they typically call the ops or activities’ lieutenant? N ras N ho 5 They call the SHU. MR. a : They do call §S N a a 24 directly? They wouldn’t call you guys, and you 25 would have to the pass information on? EFTA00062710

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wo WwW wo WwW work? oO Wo No. MR. a : Okay. So, is it oO c 4K belief, then, that if it’s that, in fact, what happened, if || went to court, and then he WAB? Just tell me, what is your 7] m 0 oO understanding -- MR. ae: I'm not sure how that -- of how that would MR. a: I'm not sure about that. Yeah. I'm not saying, ecifically, how he got it. What would be the ypical way that would work? If an inmate -- MR. a: If an inmate -. goes to court -- 3] | | Mm-hmm. Fs) and then is released. mh I ! MR. QJ: «= vm-hon. MR. a : How does that process Once that inmate is released, what happens from that point, for the court, how do they make the notifications known to the MCC, the way down to where that inmate was housed? Specifically, this one in the SHU. MR. a: R&D. Hey, that guy’s not EFTA00062711

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 MR. a: No. But R&D creates the court list. And what do they do with that court list? MR. a: They send it out to all the units. So, you get one. If you’re a unit officer, you’ll get it and say, okay, I got three guys leaving, because it says WAB. So, you say, hey, wake up, we’re packing up, and leaving. MR. a: They send the whole list, or they just did the email saying, hey, these are the inmates leaving from here? MR. a : Yeah. I’ve never seen an email. I’ve just seen the list. MR. a: Okay. And it’s just, like, a generic email that goes out to everyone? MR. a: It’s a call list. MR. a : But - sorry, I want to make sure that I understood what you just said - is it provided by email, or is it provided by MR. a: I’ve never seen it provided by email. MR. a : -- so, you’ve never seen it on email. It’s just a list that’s provided. EFTA00062715

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wo wo MR. ae: No. But they had a I know that’s their position, but MR. a : And that would be, like, MR. EJ: No. MR. QM: Who would -? MR. a : Lieutenant is custody. R&D is non-custody. MR. a : Explain to me what R&D MR. a: That’s Receiving and MR. a : Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. MR. a: So, they deal with the inmate movement, the inmate courts, the transfers, the self-surrenders. MR. a : And you’re saying that ‘re not called lieutenants or anything. What are their titles? MR. a: Correctional systems officer. offic still be, like -? EFTA00062720

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ow oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 notified? MR. a: Because usually, all the inmates are by then, you know, talking to the lieutenant, hey, is anyone else down there? That’s like a follow up call. MR. a : Is there some point when they should be saying, hey, this guy left at 8:00 this morning, he’s still not back? MR. a: No. You said, is it at some point? Yeah. MR. ee : So, and at what point is that? Is it during a count? Or is it just - is there, like, you know, duties that they’re doing prior to the count, where they’ve got to make sure people are there? How does that work? MR. a: I mean -. MR. a: You've worked in the SHU, so from your recollection, from when you worked in the SHU, how would that work? Especially being that MCC is a jail, not a prison, where people could, at any time, be released or moved. How does that work in the SHU? MR. a: I used to have, like, that, I think, set by 8:00. MR. a : I'm sorry. What did you EFTA00062733

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wo wo say about 8:00? MR. ae: By 8:00, is when I say, hey, a anyone else coming up? And this is the base if] count. Like, I want to get everything straight in the computer. MR. a: I’l1l say by 8:00. those three people were working, Okay. And on that date, when would typically be responsible for doing something like that? Is it, like, SHU one, SHU two, two three, or is i rt just anybody, any one of them, or how does that work? MR. : got to make sure our base count is correct. MR. SE: of them. MR. a : Any one of them? MR. a : But it’s not like someone’s job? It’s just someone should take To do what? I mean, it could be any one that role. MR. a : I mean, but they’ve got to have the base count right, for the 10:00 count. oa i=) EFTA00062734

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wo wo co o MR. ae: Because, you see, he’s non- custody. Mine was non-custody. He’s just up > Jt 4 was the activiti their role in suring that i is, one, back; and two, Do they have any role? Or MR. a: I mean, it’s - they don’t have a role. You know, it’s -. MR. a: What about when they’re stuff, or is it just to see what inmates are there, and that the inmates that are there, are MR. a: Pretty much. You’ve got to do a round. MR. a : Does that round entail verifying that Epstein has a cellmate and . | EFTA00062736

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wo wo ite) i been taken once || was removed? MR. ae: Hmm. Honestly, I mean, like I said, we bunk all the inmates together. So, look for him a new bunkie. if he was remo MR. a : And is that something - should have they notified - when they say look for a new bunkie, I'm assuming you’re talking about the people in the SHU? MR. a : Yeah. A new cellmate. Yeah. MR. a : So, I think you said MR. a : Could have they placed him with a new cellmate, would have they had you make notification to the ops and/or ’ lieutenant? activities MR. a: You know, they don’t need to make notification. MR. a : What about when someone is high-profile as an inmate as Epstein? MR. a: No, he didn't make notification. MR. a : So, you don’t think that they would have. Do you know if Epstein’s cellmates were vetted by the captain and above? EFTA00062739

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] \o No MR. a: I think I heard something like that. I think so. MR. a : Now, does that play into that answer? About if they could have just placed anyone with him? MR. a: I'm not sure. MR. a : Okay. MR. a: But I think someone vetted like that, pre-approved or something like that. I think - I'm not sure - but I think I did hear something like that. MR. ae : Okay. But to your knowledge, they could have placed anyone with him? Not anyone, but, like, they could have placed a new inmate with him. MR. a: Yeah, they could have. MR. a : Okay. Should have they? MR. a: I'm not sure. Like you said, the whole vetted thing, yeah. I'm not sure. MR. QJ: So, if they knew that | was vetted, and was placed with him, at that point, should have they done anything else? Such as called the lieutenant to say, hey, he’s not back, we need to get him a new cellmate. Can I place someone with him, or EFTA00062740

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] io w lieutenant, she was an SOS, do you feel that she had the knowledge and capabilities to be able to do that job, at that time? MR. ae: What job are you talking about? MR. a : Activities’ lieutenant. MR. a: Yeah. I think she wa training, right? MR. QJ: swell, 1 -. MR. a: I think she was training. 7) It’s that temporary post, right? MR. QM: sso -. MR. a: Yeah, but that still wouldn’t be on her, though. MR. a : If she’s the one who did round in the SHU for her shift. MR. a: Yeah. MR. a : Is that something that she should have checked on? Hey, where’s a: wu There’s nobody in -. Because not only - I mean, everyone knows what cellmate Epstein is in. So, even if Epstein’s not in there, and he’s still down at attorney conference, nobody is in there. So, shouldn’t that have been something that you’d say, hey, where is this EFTA00062742

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ow oO wo wo guy? Is he coming back? Should that be something that was -? MR. a: That kind of depends on the time. MR. a : And when you’re saying that you just mean because he possibly could be coming back? MR. QJ: 9 ves. MR. ae : But if no one is there, and she knows he’s out at court, shouldn’t she wu t least have followed up on, hey, anybody check on him? Is he coming back? MR. QJ: «Well, that’s R&D. R&D notifies us if they’re coming back or not. MR. a : All right. So, when doing rounds, that’s not something being that, hey, we’ve got to make sure that Epstein has a cellmate. Not something that should be, like, a, hey, nobody’s in Epstein’s cell. What’s going on there? MR. a: I mean, that’s what I'm saying. We get this notice, not just with Epstein, with every inmate -- MR. QR: okay. MR. a: -- that comes on suicide EFTA00062743

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wo wo 20 N ras N ho N a Nh Nh uw MR. QJ: 411 right. common to check it every day? MR. ae: Yeah, if the guy MR. a : But wouldn’t - again, the the MCC is a jail, a prison - wouldn’t it be pre regular that people are being moved in and out? MR. a: Not on the hot list. MR. a: No, but the people that they’re bunked with. If they’re required to have a cellmate -- MR. QJ: 9 Mm-hon. MR. a : -- wouldn’t it be pretty 7 would have to - their cellmates might be leaving? Because if it’s a jail, not a prison. MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : So, that’ saying. So, how are they always ensuring that what I'm 7) those people that are required to have EFTA00062750

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wo wo 24 I mean, I mean, like I said, Placed in the SHU? Okay. And you didn't work that night. Do you know of any people that were placed in the SHU that night, on Not according to this, MR. a : And did you conduct any counts or rounds in the SHU on August 93th? MR. a: I can't recall. And what is the purpose? 3) Why COs conduct counts and rounds in the SHU? To make sure they’re alive. 5 H nn b rt w rai n oO to make 3) ure everyone is there? 104 EFTA00062752

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wo wo 107 people, like, filling out count slips, or round sheets? Either before, or at the very start of their shift, for their entire shift, or at the end of the shift for their entire shift? MR. a: Not before this incident. MR. es : Did you hear about that after this incident? MR. QJ: 9 veah. MR. a : What did you hear about MR. ae: That they didn't mean, it was filling out slip ie] ount. I A 5. It wasn’t if counted. Wasn’t making rounds. MR. a: And who was it that you heard that wasn’t conducting counts and rounds? MR. a: Thomas and Noel. MR. a : Anybody else in there? MR. GR: No. MR. a : Did you hear anything about counts and rounds not being conducted prior to midnight on August 10th? So, any time oo) on August 9th, did you hear about any of those counts and rounds not being conducted? MR. a : On the morning watch then? MR. a : Any time on August 9th. EFTA00062755

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wo wo 20 N c N nN N a Nh Nh uw Typically, that’s what would ypically, you would have signed this in the SHU. Correct? And would of you signed this after the last one was filled out? I'm assuming they wouldn’t fill one out after you signed it, would they? 7. Wouldn't would have been there at I'm not at this that if it? Do you ever sign -. Are these continued to be filled even for day watch you can sign it at EFTA00062760

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wo wo any point during this, and then, they continue to fill it out? that work? I don't I mean, it’s eight hours. MR. a : So, at any point, from 8:00 a.m. p.m., you could have signed that? And these are genuine questions. They’re not I trick you. I'm just asking -- is what I'm saying. understand. But it And then, I'm not -- m saying, like I promise you, I'm Pp you, like, this isn't, like, an “I moment. There’s no -- Mm-hmm. a moments in This is this. just your, like, your 113 EFTA00062761

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wo wo 114 recollection on this. MR. ae: Yeah, I understand that. But that’s why I said, I'm not sure about that. I don't know when I signed it. MR. a : All right. And that’s - so, what I'm asking you, like, is this something, typically, that you would have done? And again, it’s not an I gotcha. MR. a : Yeah. But again -- MR. a : It’s just, it’s a genuine MR. QJ: -- I'm not sure. MR. a : -- but so, you don’t know if -. But so, most of the time, I mean, these are maintained in the SHU, and this is - again - this is our learning experience, by talking to people like you, lieutenants -- MR. QJ: 9 yeah. MR. a : -- that were there. It’s, again, not an “I gotcha.” It’s trying to figure out, how does this process work? MR. a: But also, I'm not trying to incriminate myself. MR. QJ: t got -. MR. a: Or nothing. That’s what I'm 7] EFTA00062762

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oo wo wo I'm going to ask you how you can - if there’s a way for you to be able to figure out how this count changed. All right. Can you look at the El on here, and compare it to the count slip back there? What is the -? MR. a: And it’s the 10:00 count, right? MR. : 10:00 p.m. count on August 9th MR. QJ: Yeah. 73. MR. a : 73? On both? And is there a count - does the count slip say something weird on that one? MR. a: No, I'm just looking at the MR. a: Does it say plus one on there? MR. a : Oh, yeah. It does. MR. a : Have you ever seen a plus one on any before, or could you understand a , like, 73 reason why someone will put plus one? MR. a: Plus one. No. I don’t know about a plus one. MR. QJ: 811 xight. Now, thi: the one that I really want you to look at. is 3) EFTA00062772

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oo wo wo = N wi Look at this El. This is now August 10th at midnight. Check out what it says for ZA on the El. What number does that say? MR. a : All right. And check out MR. a : So, 73, but the top one, that was clear, MR. QJ: 9 vm-hon.. MR. ae : And I’1l give you one more, just so it’s not a magic trick, look at this page first, for the August 10th, and I have the rest of them, too, if you want to see them, but 3:00 a.m. on August 10th, and then, the last page where it says the count slip. What does it say on the El on the next one? MR. QJ: 8nd on the £1. And then, MR. a : So, in looking at all this, does that tell you - as a lieutenant and someone who worked in the SHU - does that tell EFTA00062773

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ow oO oo wo wo 126 you something? MR. a: Yeah, but the thing is, this one had up, though. MR. Ee : That’s exactly -- MR. a: That way and clear the count. MR. a : -- that’s exactly right. So, we’re trying to figure out where did this count change down the 72? And does it indicate to you that these counts were not actually conducted? And this is not -- MR. a: (Indiscernible *01:3 MR. ae : -- and MR. a: It’s the 9:00 count. MR. Ee : -- we have no reason to believe you were involved in this. So, I want Ww :0 oO )). 1) =] is) rt I I i ct hi n to make sure you’re -. We’re actually just looking for your help here. As someone who worked in the SHU, and as someone that is familiar with these kinds of documents, can you help us put this puzzle together? How - so we have reason to believe that they called in at midnight 73 -- MR. QJ: 9 Mm-hon. MR. a : -- and the control lieutenant, who was working that night, figured EFTA00062774

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 127 out there’s actually only 72 people in there. They’ve been calling in 73, but there’s only 72 people in the SHU. Is there any way, from looking - and that’s from this point forward, they’re now start -- MR. QJ: «9 wm-hon. MR. a : -- calling in 72 - is there any way, from looking at these, you’re able to determine, with your knowledge and experience, where that changed? I would say that it changed from the 10:00 count. This was printed at 9:33. So, it has 73. And then, at 9:33, attorney conference ain’t open. So, Epstein would have probably been up by then. He would have went back to the SHU. MR. Ee : So, he would have been listed on -. Epstein would have been back at least by 8:00 p.m., right? MR. QJ: = Yeah. MR. QJ: So, that would have -- MR. a: So, he should have been on this count. MR. : -- he should have been on this one. MR. a: So, he threw it, yeah. EFTA00062775

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] 129 weird part about it is going from 73 to 72, with no movement. MR. a : So, we don’t know, okay, so, they’re taking off, you know, if they’re going from - what does it say? MR. QJ: 9 yeah. MR. a : Down to 73. That’s three people, and one person vanishes. MR. J: 9 m-hon. MR. Ee : When it gets to 72. Are you able to tell where that person vanished from, or is it impossible because, possibly, all of these counts were not conducted, and that’s - I know you weren’t here for any of these counts, apparently, so it’s, again, I'm ust asking for your guidance - is that wu. 0 orrect? You weren’t even working when any of these counts were conducted? MR. a: Yeah, well, if I was - you said 4:00, right? MR. a : Well, you possibly worked MR. a : So, I wasn’t here. I wasn’t EFTA00062777

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. a: Oh, they hadn’t keyed them out. But then, they would have keyed them out. R&D leaves at 10:00. They leave at 10:00. Now, they could have left somebody on, and then came out. Because like you said, it’s no movement. The only way you get it is you key out. Like, key a guy unless somebody went to the hospital or something. MR. ae : Yeah, and if there is nothing that happened, but no inmates were moved after 10:00 p.m. If we know that, does this indicate that they were just going off on numbers and just falsifying their counts, or are you able to tell, by looking at these at all -- MR. a : Mm-hmm. MR. a: -- if these counts are legit or not? Are you able to kind of, like, give us any insight into that? MR. a : I mean, the one with the plus one is a question because I don’t see why they would -. Then again, you’ve got R&D with a plus one, too. I don't know. I don't know what’s going on. They got R&D, (Indiscernible *01:37:57) cell plus one. 131 EFTA00062779

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oo wo wo someone was still there at night? MR. ae: Well, yeah, because you could watch them down here, yeah. MR. a : And is that like a small (Indiscernible *01:39:52)? Is it kind of like you’d be able to - that person would know if somebody was there or not? MR. QJ: 9 veah. MR. a : Verify it. MR. a: Because someone could have Marshal came in before the count, too. A could have brung one in, and they said, hey, watch this guy. He’s going to 9-South. That’s why the plus one is throwing me off. MR. a : Have you ever seen plus one on anything before? MR. a: No. I heard people calling in with a plus one. But then, again, I say that’s like a ghost. A ghost count. MR. QJ: 411 right. Doe: MR. a: But it mess up the base count, though. MR. a : -- but seeing, especially #) rr hi ifs) MR. a: Yeah, I don't know how that EFTA00062782

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wo wo happened. MR. a : -- and does this at all tell you anything about any of these counts? MR. QJ: 9 bmn. people, you know, in higher positions saying, Like, we’ve had other to me, it tells me that the counts weren’t done. Does that tell you that? MR. a : Yeah, but at 10 I mean, yeah. I don't know, man. Yeah. I mean, I couldn’t tell you, man. MR. QJ: 411 right. - MR. a: I couldn’t tell I don't know. I don't understand that. Okay. So, is it just a baffling -- pe of deal? Because it’ ta MR. a : -- to us, and then, we’re just hoping that people can kind of help us - especially people that were there -. MR. a: I don’t know. See, that’s why I don’t understand that. I don’t see how they get 73 at the 10:00 count, and then they lose one after the 10:00 count. MR. a : And that’s the same = ies) uw EFTA00062783

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= ioe) oo 1 we’re looking at the midnight and the 10:00 p.m., right? Ne] WwW MR. K i) wu J 4 MR. So, at midnight, there is 5 RAl, and the midnight, but at the 10:00 p.m., J 5 I | ! Right. a rs] | | ct 5) 7 C t Ki a oO w iat be Bb i] int @ zero. Correct? 0 MR. : So I'm thinking this dude = 5 rt oO na] Q ct oO Ps) » No 5 - wu WwW MR. ie) 77) ct That’s how they lost someone. 4 MR. But there is a count slip? s J t 1) 0 talking about? co J OD 4 >) wu rt > C n (e) yy Ae | ! the thing. That it 20 MR. - isn't the count slip 21 for - (Indiscernible *01:43:21). 22 MR. QJ: «at the top. 24 MR. : Vell, they could have messed had the RA count slip for EFTA00062786

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ow oO wo that one. MR. a: What’s the difference between RA and R&D? MR. a: RA is a real unit. the guys come back from court, they’re in status. R&D is when they keyed out. MR. a: To go to leave? MR. a: To go to court. But if come back, they came back in their unit. they don’t come back, they release them from R&D. But RA is technically a unit. MR. a: And it doesn't count it doesn't show up as R&D? MR. a: No. (Indiscernible MR. Ee : Where would that - that says R&D in there - where would show up here? MR. a: That would be right here. But they don’t have nobody in R&D. that even weirder, the fact that, at ra p.m. count, there’s a count slip for there’s nobody for R&D on this? MR. a: That’s why I think the 10:00 EFTA00062787

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1 him, and they keyed him in SHU. They keyed him 2 in SHU, the inmate, and then put him down in 3 R&D. And then, changed it after the count. Or 5 count cleared, and set it up for the next 6 count, say the inmates, the inmate is in - this 8 MR. a : Yeah, that one is the its) ) o o ue] 3 3 MR. a : That’s the midnight one 7 MR. a: See, (Indiscernible 4:44) right here. wo a3 Oh, I think I took it. put him, and they keyed him into RA and R&D. MR. a : This is the midnight. MR. ae: Yeah. So that’s what N c N nN a N a a 24 happened. 25 MR. a: Does R&D have like a dry cell EFTA00062788

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2 MR. ae: No, they got cells. You see, 3 they got RA right here. Yeah, that’s what 4 happened. I think the guy came from SHU and ne. 6 MR. es : And can you think of why 7 a person would go from SHU to RA, at that late ct iam oO bh oO 7) ct Oo 8 at night? MR. a : Body scan. Probably pulled 0 something. And they kept him down there, put wo 3 looking at these - you can see how -. Is there 5 MR. ae: Yeah. That’s the 4:00 p.m. 16 MR. a: Is the person in R&D at 7 4:00 p.m.? Are you able to tell by this? 8 MR. a: Let me see. You know the that was down there or no? \o t S 3 wu et @ +) N c ct J wu rt 6 b- Q a ct MR. a: Was he a witsec dude? MR. a : Do you anything about N nN N a a Nh him? nN uw Fa No, I don't. EFTA00062789

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 MR. a: Yeah, but that’s what it looks like. It looks like they took a guy to SHU, and put him in R&D, but instead of keying him in R&D, they keyed him RA. Yeah. That’s what it looks like. MR. a : So, at the 4:00 p.m., was he anything to do with PY on that, or anything to do with somebody in -? MR. a: Well, the 4:00 p.m. is - no, because no one is out from R&D. Let me see. You’ ve got one from 11-South. You’ve got no one else from R&D. MR. a : But it’s also said that at the 10:00 p.m., right? Or I don't know which one I'm looking at right there, but -. MR. a: No, you have one out here. Yeah. But it looks like this inmate, from 10:00, they did the count at 10:00. Plus one. Yeah. Plus one. Yeah. It seemed like they got screwed up by something. Either moving this guy to R&D, or whatever. I mean, the count slip shouldn’t have accepted anyway, though. So, in the 9-South, plus one. Like, I don't know why that was written, but -- EFTA00062790

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= Wo 1 MR. ae: -- that’s what it looked 2 like. The guy came from 9-South, he went in 5 MR. a : Yeah, yeah. 6 MR. a: -- right there. 7 MR. ae : And we have reason to 8 believe that that is the case. That there is a wo Q G K rt > w ct = fw fr] B 3 kK fe) G know, he did stay there at 0 the night, and he had somebody on him, and that’s one of the reasons why we want to talk 2 to somebody that was in R&D to be able to 3 verify hey, was that guy really there? 4 MR. GJ: 9 Mm-hon. 5 MR. a : And by looking at that, 16 would that be that individual we just talked about? wo es) K oO wu x 20 MR. a: Who did the count slip? It’s based on the count slip N c Fs) (Indiscernible *01:48:18). Um all right. Does this N nN N a a Nh i tell you anything else? Just before we move Nh uw EFTA00062791

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oo wo wo MR. ae: I mean just -. I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t understand it. That’s the only thing I think they probably took him down for that then. MR. es : Is there - which, from looking at these, what basic like counts seem bad to you? 00 p.m. one seem like a bad count to you? The way that it - what you just looked at? When there’s nothing on the El and there’s a count slip? MR. QJ: oun. MR. a: If you were working that a count like that, is that a "9 er night and you go good count or bad count? MR. a: I would have said bad count. MR. a : And who - can you tell by 3; the one who took this A looking at this - who wa 7) t count? MR. a : | And was there lieutenants involved with this? MR. ae: I mean there could have been. I’m not sure. MR. a : But by looking at it like EFTA00062792

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wo wo Nh I think like probably the midnight one there was an actual ops lieutenant. Are you able to tell that by looking at the - I think the ops t is the one who caught it at midnight? Are you able to tell that that -? MR. QJ: «oon thi MR. ae : Yeah. Are you able to - by looking at these, are you able to tell when i one here? the lieutenant actually took the count? MR. QJ: 9 tt was - count - [J took the count at midnig! MR. ae : All right. And it shows | on it? I’m looking at it upside down so I can’t even see. she took the n MR. a: And on this one does it show any lieutenant was involved? MR. GR: No. MR. a : So it would just been Does it show the lieutenant’s name on the 4:00 145 EFTA00062793

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 147 hold on that’s not it. Yeah. MR. Ee : And that’s what I mean by wouldn’t this be incorrect if they get a count slip that’s not listed on the El? MR. a: Yeah. They got a - which one did they get? R&D? Yeah. Yep. That would be a bad one. MR. QJ: «411 right. So for this it seems like the 10:00 p.m. on August 9th was a bad El and as far as the midnight, it seems like it’s the count slip that’s a bad slip. Is that correct? Whatever that’s (Indiscernible *01:51:13). I’m sorry, I’m in the -. So it seems like the El is good at midnight, but the count slip is bad at midnight for ZA. And we’re primarily asking you this stuff just because we’ve got to write a report about what we’re finding. And we don’t want to sound - we don’t want to be wrong. You know what I mean? MR. a : Yeah. Yeah so, the count slip is wrong on this one. MR. a : So midnight count slip is wrong, El seems right. The El at 10:00 p.m. seems wrong, but the count slips seems right. At least for R&D. I - we have reason to EFTA00062795

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 believe the count slip for ZA is also wrong for MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. MR. a : -- 10:00 p.m. because -. Well it depends, I guess, like you said, what time the individual was moved to R&D. We’ve been told that after the you know -. People are all moved prior to this time. So if that person was in R&D, it would have been prior to the 10:00 p.m. count. Does that sound right to you? MR. a: That’s what I’m saying. I mean something could have happened. And you know taken this guy downstairs. MR. a : And that’s why we need to talk to people. So by looking at this, are you able to like figure out who we can talk to? To see if something happened at 10:00 p.m. to change this count and make this -? MR. QJ: 9Did you see the log already? MR. a : The lieutenant’s log? MR. a: Yeah. MR. Ee : Do we have it? Yeah. I have it. MR. a: Anything with log? 148 EFTA00062796

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 MR. a : Um so here’s the - yeah. So here’s the log from the day you were on. That’s the August - it says August 10th, but you know it’s the August 9th log in there. Are you able to tell by looking at that? And here’s the day after. So this is the - you’ve got the August 9th -- MR. a: Okay. So moving him to the dry cell. MR. Ee : -- and the August 10th. MR. a: Okay. So he put someone in dry cell. MR. a : Dry cell is in the SHU isn’t it? MR. a: Yeah. If there’s space. Okay. So it looks like they didn’t key the guy up. He went to dry cell depending on what time. MR. a : And are you able to tell by these lieutenant’s - I think you’ve got the actual lieutenant log back there and I would assume that that’s when it should be documented when people are moved. Correct? Are you able to tell by looking at that when someone - you know this person was moved to dry cell? EFTA00062797

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wo wo N ins) ine) rs a No Nh ine] uw And that’s where we get confused. And that’s why we have reason to believe - because it seems like FY wa put on day watch. if] w vu Oo oO n pb rt n wu K 0 a wi Ss oO = fu a Yeah. So that indicates to us p.m. and that 1 also both bad. He wasn’t in the SHU. Does that make sense to you? wasn’t in the SHU, but he was he was still I think he was -. Yeah. He keyed in SHU. He was still keyed in the Right. So for the 13] a i] they would still show it. The only way the people in control would know it is if SHU ie) 0] actually did their coun om and said we only got rt 7 lo 72 people in here not Right? I mean.... Because people working in 151 EFTA00062799

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ow oO wo the SHU. They know hey, we only count bodies that are present. MR. QM: 90h hold on. This is the 9th. Okay. So he went to -. Transfer to special housing - dry cell at 4:00. MR. a: On the 9th. This is done on At 4:00 it says? the night before. MR. ae : Can you -? And again I promise you, not a “gotcha.” Okay. Okay. You’re being a very extremely help. Can you just note on there where you’re seeing these different things? If you can tell at what time he was moved? vn. : log is the same. believe that people manipulated the log after We also have reason to the fact. MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. Some things are (Indiscernible That’s what I’m saying. *01:57:13). about that? While I mentioned that? Do you know anything MR. a : No. I see SHU corrections; EFTA00062800

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 her? MR. a: I don’t know. I’m not sure. MR. a : Would that be like a possibility? Like can they do that? Even if you’re activities’ lieutenant, if she wants to leave and you’re there and | | - who is the ops lieutenant - wasn’t? Can they say that you relieved her even though you were activities’ lieutenant? MR. ee : Or is she not supposed to write that? Or not supposed to be in there? MR. a : So who wrote that? MR. QJ: 9 Uh I don’t know. It could be - that’s the thing. It could be a - it’s like a from the days prior. So if you don’t catch it, you just going to keep it the same. So it’s like - because I’m ops - I know I was ops. That’s what I’m saying. So I must have came in on doing overtime that day. So normally I would relieve her. So she probably left it that way anyway thinking okay it’s the same. You’ re not changing that. You know? *01:59:23 MR. a : Oh you mean the day EFTA00062802

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ow oO wo 10 12 13 14 MR. a: I think I was ops that quarter though. MR. QR: Okay. MR. a: Yeah. I was ops. MR. a : Again we don’t have your records. There was no reason for us to be grabbing your records or anything like that. So everything we’re asking you about is simply to help us fill in the blanks. MR. a: So based on what you said, you think it’s - the log is from previous date. It was just a spite edit that wasn’t caught on to. MR. QJ: Yeah. The dry cell stuff. I don’t know about all that. But that’s what it looks like. It looked like the guy was in there and they didn’t key him out even though he was in R&D. MR. a: So let’s say if I’m in SHU and I wanted to move somebody. Or you wanted to move somebody in the SHU. MR. a: Yeah. MR. a: You’ re going to - do you key it in, or do you call in to somebody and tell them to key it in? Who keys it in? EFTA00062804

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oo wo wo MR. ae: You can do it if you want to. You can do it by yourself. MR. ae : And let’s say you move it. Is someone supposed to be notified hey, listen this person is moved? Or you - the SHU CO’s can move the inmates by themselves? MR. a: Someone from a different unit? MR. a : Yeah. Like control or R&D? MR. a: No you tell - you can call a HH 7) it policy that control must be notified? MR. a: I don’t know if it’s policy, but I mean, they taking a count it’s good to know. Hey, this is what’s going on - got to move this guy down to dry cell. MR. a : And let’s say - sorry. Go ahead. MR. QJ: 1 was going to - are you asking like who is responsible if) ay I gues er) for doing the keying? Yeah who -? MR. QJ: §9=ot could be CNA. MR. QM: what’s cna? MR. a: Control number two. EFTA00062805

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oo wo wo MR. QJ: Uh cna, control. MR. a : Control should have? MR. ae : Number two. Yeah. MR. a : And how should have they been notified that they needed to make that change? Who should have notified them that that change needed to be made? MR. a: Mm. I mean SHU could have called ahead. This guy is keyed up here. He’s keyed down there. MR. a : So I guess what I’m saying is like once an inmate is moved, and 7] control needs to be notified. Hey, this guy that was in SHU is now in R&A. Who needs to notify control to make those changes in the system? MR. QJ: The sHu. Hey this guy is down there. MR. QJ: 9 They’11 call control. Yeah. MR. a : Okay. So whenever - “) moved from the SHU to R&A on dry cell. The SHU should have contacted control and said we just made this movement. He needs to be rekeyed. EFTA00062807

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ow oO oo wo wo MR. a: Yeah. MR. Ee : All right. That’s the way it works? MR. QJ: 9 yeah. MR. a : And again, these are just questions. We don’t know. MR. a: It could be that or the lieutenant could do it. Either or. Hey, I’m moving this guy. I’m moving him here. MR. Ee : So should have a lieutenant been involved in that? vn. MR. a : Okay. And that’s why we're just trying to figure out what is the standard operating procedure? Like what is - typically - what is supposed to happen? MR. a: I mean there’s no typical. You get it done. Hey, I’m telling you to move him. Or I 7) ay I’m moving this guy. The lieutenant told me to move him. And yeah. MR. a : I guess but if anybody can do it and no one is told to do it, I gue io] s - I would assume - that it would quite frequently not be done because everyone would be like “well he could have done it - he should EFTA00062808

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] have done it.” I’m saying like who is usually supposed to do it? Who is like supposed to take the lead of - make sure that that’s done or “we just moved this guy - control you know like key that out.” Like how is it supposed to be done? Because otherwise, it’s always going to fall apart because then everyone is going to say, “well that person could have done it - that person could have done it.” MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. Ee : So is there anybody that’s supposed to do it? MR. a: To notify? MR. Ee : Yeah. To make the notifications so that the numbers can be changed on the El? MR. a: Yeah. I would say the SHU f. MR. QJ: su staffer. MR. QJ: 9 They kind of say hey, this Ph sta guy is not up there. check to see where he’s at. MR. QM: «411 right. MR. a : Maybe key him to R&D. MR. a : Sorry I didn’t mean -. EFTA00062809

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ow oO wo = ia) No MR. a: No-no. That’s exactly what I was thinking or trying to get to. You said the 7) SHU staff could also key it in. If they keyed it in, would this El document get updated? MR. Well these -. a: MR. a: Or would control have to update it? MR. a: Control will update it. . a: So no matter even if the SHU staff decided if they wanted to update it, control manually has to update this document - specifically. MR. Yeah. Put a number on it. Because this is the last one that was printed. And then you make a change after that it’s not going to show. MR. a: Okay. This was -. MR. QJ: 99:30. MR. a: 9:30. But let’s see the 4:00 p.m. count. I just want to see what time that was printed. MR. QJ: 93:40. MR. a: And according to that, the inmate was supposed to be moved at 3:15? MR. QJ: = Nah. EFTA00062810

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wo wo = Oo Wo MR. ae: The daily log -? MR. a : Well you said two different - I was going to back to that. You said - one time you said 3:15 and the other time you able to tell? MR. a: Yeah. It looks like -. Okay. So let’s start with this. This is the wo wu B. QQ ib = ue] =I ty am oO he ie) c 9th, right? shift on dry cell. So this says 3:15 inmate Fs placed on dry cell from SHU. MR. a : Can you just put a star next to that? All right. So then you believe the fs] that that is where things got screwed up? They never keyed him out. MR. a: Yeah. Inmate PF placed on dry cell; 75 in SHU; I do believe a. .-» All right. So at 9:00 on August 9th Friday he goes in at 3:15 in dry cell. And he i tays in there ov rnight. So the 4:00 count, he’s still keyed in there though, right? MR. a : Well that’s what we’re trying to figure out. EFTA00062811

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ow oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 MR. a : Because it’s not caught until -. So we believe from people that we talked to, it was caught at midnight. And that person who caught it said like this person is on dry cell and then revised the numbers and the count. MR. QJ: 9 wm-hn. MR. a : Now we’re trying to determine were the counts ever conducted in the SHU? MR. QJ: =n. MR. a : It doesn’t appear to us that they would have been. Because they would have caught that at 4:00 p.m. and the 10:00 p-m. They would have said this is the number of people we physically have present. MR. a: Yeah but I don’t see -. MR. a : And even at midnight it still says 73. And it’s changed to 72. And to us it suggests - and everyone else that we’re talking to - that we haven’t shared this information with many people. You’re one of a very select few that we’re even showing this stuff to. MR. GJ: 9 vm-hn. EFTA00062812

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 MR. a : But the people that we’ve showed it to before says, hey the fact that they’ re reporting 73 and the actual count is 72, they’re basically getting the number from this and just writing that down. They’re not actually conducting the counts. Would you agree with that statement? MR. a: They could do that. Or they could actually be counting but not counting. Making sure that they’re just walking and making sure they’re alive. MR. a : So doing more of a round than a count? MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : And that is also one of the things that we believe happened. Is that at least on one of the instances, they did do a round, but they didn’t do an actual count. MR. a: Yeah. Because honestly, I don’t see it on this end. A 4:00 and a 10:00. MR. a : You don’t see what? MR. a: The missing of 4:00 and MR. a : Yeah. The fact that they missed both seems very unlikely. EFTA00062813

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 SHU -. Or let me ask it a different way. Is there any way for anyone other than the SHU to know that they’re not doing the counts? MR. GR: No. MR. a : No? Okay. Anything that you didn’t initial, just again to say what it is we showed you. MR. QJ: 9 (Indiscernible *02:09:41) MR. ae : Is this one you or me? MR. a: That’s (Indiscernible *02:09:48) MR. a: So what does this pertain all to - Thomas and Noel? MR. QJ: Well it’s everybody know. Because everybody that’s in the SHU. Right? We've got to talk to them. Hey, did you conduct these counts. Or these you know? Because this just brought to light the fact that it doesn’t appear that the counts were ever being conducted. So we’ve got to - that’s why we’ve got to talk to the people that we want to talk to first. People like yourself that were lieutenants on duty. Hey, do you know anything about this? Did you - do you know? EFTA00062816

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= fea) io 1 MR. ae: I mean they wasn’t counting. 2 MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. I know. 3 But I mean just letting you know like, oh yeah, 4 first we want to know about the cellmate. Hey, 5 about Did you - it 6 looks like -. From the way that this memo 7 hat either you or || told = w no fu = oO U = al oO as Oo .Q o ct 107) fw cause that’s one of the reasons its) Q i] b bh A fw ct o wy oO ie] we want to talk -. 11 MR. ae: Based on that memo? 2 MR. ae : Yeah. because like the I knew. I knew he \o a 3 | ee N c ins) nN Q vy) he be 3 fi rt 0] N a 5 5 like what Nh 5 — Pp i] Q P- n w =] rt 25 you’re sa you don’t -. You didn’t even EFTA00062817

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oo wo wo know, and you never had that conversation. MR. ae: With i and everything. No. I don’t even know - I never knew the dude until that thing came out. You know what I mean. He would have been notified. MR. QJ: Right. MR. a: But then again, I mean, we do get notified. But usually R&D calls us up. Hey, those two guys ain’t coming back. MR. a : And is it your belief though by that -? Would it be -? All right. If you said you dint’ speak to him. So probably he was notified directly from control? Or R&D? MR. ae: I would say probably R&D. MR. a: So R&D wouldn’t call control. And control wouldn’t call him? R&D would call directly to the SHU? MR. a: That’s how we used to do it. MR. QJ: Okay.) That’s how it would always be? So when you were in the SHU - MR. ae: They call up -. MR. a : R&D would call you directly? EFTA00062818

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 ~] Pp MR. a: But again that’s evening watch. Again that’s on evening watch. And that’s when it notified. All right. So if he doesn’t have WAB listed on his name on the court list that morning. And that’s what people have told us. So we’re going on the assumption that - and this is an assumption. That he was - somebody was contacted in the SHU saying hey, it looks like he’s not coming back. He did write possibly. But that’s the first that we’re seeing WAB. MR. QJ: 9 vm-hn. MR. Ee : So the thought is that someone contacted a . We haven’t - we’ve got to talk to him. But like and say, hey, doesn’t look like he’s coming back. You know we're just notifying you now. MR. QJ: 9 wm-ho. MR. a : And again we were told typically the way it works - and it sounds like you’ re correcting us - R&D typically calls control. Control calls ops. Ops calls SHU. EFTA00062819

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] = ~l] Wo MR. QJ: 9 wm-hn. MR. Ee : Whatever information we get is like people like yourself trying to like -. Hey, I know it’s probably like yourself it sounds like. At least in the beginning of this thing, you seemed pretty nervous to talk to us because we’re really just trying to -- MR. a: No-no. The thing about it -. The thing is. I know this. This is a high- profile case, looking to point fingers. MR. Ee : Right-right-right-right. MR. ae: Blame someone. Who dropped the ball? Who did this and that? MR. Ee : Totally get it. MR. ae: I mean two years later, now it’s still like okay, let’s go down and see. MR. a : And the reason why and I’m sure you saw on the papers what happened recently. MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : Well that now allows us to try to come back and try to figure out. All right. Now we can do -. MR. a : Yeah. But you’re going to go after a whole shift. You know. EFTA00062821

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wo wo MR. a : It’s not necessarily go after the whole shift. But we’ve got to figure out what went wrong at the MCC. And what needs to be fixed. Do you know what I’m saying? MR. a: I mean -. MR. ae : But I get -. Trust me -. MR. ae: Just to deal - they have suicides man. Like they do. high-profile or MR. ae : Right. And because it’s so high-profile, and the fact that there were - other things with the -- MR. a : All these other things are going on now. It looks like there was some Fh alse you know slips that were created. They weren’t doing counts. re getting these sign its) saying that -- MR. a : Yeah but that stuff is -- MR. a : -- hey, you’re supposed EFTA00062822

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ow oO oo wo wo MR. a: Yeah. MR. Ee : You know and that’s what people - that’s what the conspiracy theorists come in and all that kind of stuff. Like wow, this is one day? And that’s where we’ve got to -. All right. Well let’s figure out what rt actually happened. Is this abnormal or is i normal? You’re saying that this seems to be a very abnormal day. MR. a: I’m talking about that’s why the counts and the slips and the rounds and the falsifying stuff like that. But everything else, I mean, this place is a busy place. MR. QM: Yeah. MR. a: You know? They lose - inmates go out WAB all the time. New inmates come in. MR. QJ: svean. MR. a: So this is a revolving door. MR. QJ: 411 right. I know we’re taking a lot longer than we thought. Let me just go through a lot of these things now. Just back to the round sheet where -. mR. QM: 9 Yeah. MR. Ee : What is the purpose of a EFTA00062824

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ow oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 supervisor actually signing this round sheet? MR. a: Making sure the officer is following and doing their rounds how they’re supposed to be. MR. a : And we don’t really need to look at it. Just. All right. So it’s not to verify that they were done. It’s to verify that the sheets are being kept up? MR. a: So if I go up there and I see the times. You all made a round after 40 minutes. What happened here? MR. a : So you ask them about that. MR. QJ: 9 Right. MR. a : But on this date you can’t - you don’t remember going and speaking to them? MR. a: I said I could have went. don’t recall. MR. QJ: Okay. And again just going forward, know that these are just simply questions to see what we can find out about that day. And as well as you know the point being you saying that this is such an abnormal day. And it was such a big event that’s been EFTA00062825

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wo wo in the news now for two years. MR. a : Just try and really place yourself. What was your role on that day? know I worked. And that was it. MR. ae : All right. And as fara you know, were rounds being conducted in the feah. Like I said I just 7) at that time? MR. a: Yeah. It’s day watch. You’ ve got to make rounds. MR. ae : On day watch you’ve got a 4 o @ KR oO wo 4 2) = a < i i.) Cc 0 w s 3 pP- a MR. a: What about for - and I’m not talking about just your shift - I’m sayin the SHU in general. Are you aware that rounds weren’t being conducted on evening watch or morning watch? MR. a : Yeah. Were not. MR. ae: Evening watch you’ve got to make rounds too. I worked SHU for years. MR. a : Yeah-yeah. EFTA00062826

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 MR. a: You have to. You’ve got to go. Yeah MR. a : So when you were there they were being conducted? MR. a: Yeah. That’s why I’m saying. The whole mess of the count thing. I’m like I don’t know. That’s -. MR. a : Any of those people that we discussed that were on day watch and you know anybody working in the SHU on August 9th and August 10th. Do you have any recollection of speaking with any of those people about morning watch or -? I mean not morning watch. About speaking with about rounds or counts. MR. BR: No. MR. Ee : No. And now being that you were an ops - the ops lieutenant. It sounds like your quarterly post. Would that be something that you would visit with them and just say hey guys make sure you’re doing your rounds or anything like that? Would that be a duty or responsibility of an ops lieutenant? MR. a: Yeah. But not - it’s not really my responsibility. It’s the SHU lieutenant. EFTA00062827

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ow oO oo wo wo 181 It’s hey, you got the email. MR. Ee : Right. The email saying he needs a cellmate. MR. a : Yeah-yeah. And all the lieutenants know. They say oh no, such-and- such we got the email. He was off of watch. You know? MR. a : Do you think it’s acceptable for any lieutenant to say that they didn’t know that Epstein needed a cellmate? MR. a: Some people say they didn’t know the cellmate left. MR. a : No. The - if they’re saying that -. Let’s talk ra] bout just the people on that day. Let’s talk about like for instance somebody that maybe wasn’t normally a lieutenant. Can you - a. MR. QR: 9 m-hn. MR. a : All right. So she’s in - you said basically she’s in training. She’s like an acting lieutenant. She’s the person -. MR. a: I don’t think she was acting that day either though. I mean MR. a : Well I just mean that she was activities’ lieutenant. EFTA00062829

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] MR. Ee : Sorry. She was the activities’ lieutenant and she was either Yeah-yeah. training or she’s typically an SOS at the time though. Should have she known by Epstein being on the hotlist and Epstein you know coming off suicide watch. Should she have known that he was required to have a cellmate? MR. QJ: «No? Should he have known? vn. aware though. you’re - first of all, I thought you said that Just by -? Uh-uh. No. What about a: I mean that’s only if you’re If I’m not aware, the guy left. I thought you said if Well, no. MR. a : Everybody knows that in the SHU you’re supposed to have a cellmate unless you’re a certain classification. odd number and they can’t have one. would be he’s on the hotlist. Yeah. But sometimes it be an But then the second thing Everybody knows if you’re on the hotlist you’re supposed to EFTA00062830

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ow oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 comes off suicide watch. You put him in SHU with a cellmate. And then again, that’s not forever. MR. a : Yeah-yeah. But in this case, you know, July 30th to August 3th or 10th. MR. a: But is it a set -? I don’t think -. That’s up to psychology. Because we have guys that - suicide watch. Same thing. Once they leave, they didn’t commit suicide and it’s nothing. MR. a : So if you get this email then on July 30th saying make sure he’s got a cellmate. MR. a: There’s no time on it. MR. Ee : In your mind, is that -? Well two weeks from now? He doesn’t need one anymore. MR. a: There’s no set time. It’s just immediately this guy’s coming off. A guy maybe got kicked to the unit. MR. a : Okay. So in his case -. All right. How should it have been -? What kind of notification should have been made then? EFTA00062834

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1 MR. ae: This is a tough one. But if guy goes to court and he leaves, you know and N wu 3 you’re doing your daily operations. There’s so 4 much going on. Epstein ain’t the - I know he’s 5 high-profile out to the outside. 6 MR. es : But I mean he’ 7) fo ct + = = O =] 8 MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. So he’s on the hotlist wo a QO still. So doesn’t that indicate he needs a cellmate? If he’s still on the hotlist. 2 MR. ae: Yeah. But he had one. 3 Right? 4 MR. a: Right. And that’s why 5 ying. By - we’re knocking you and we’re 16 knocking || out of this thing because you’re saying 8:00. So let’s now look at 8:00 on. 8 Let’s say - even for this instance let’s even ; | and fe they didn’t know. Now 20 let’s look at QMMJ-lane. Certainly by midnight you should have known. Right? wo i] wu kK N ras Yeah. But not a lieutenant N ho Fs) N a ct a 12) oc Q a Nh i No? Like if the information isn’t ND ul F EFTA00062835

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 to say you’ve got to do a round in the SHU. You know. So you in SHU, you in SHU. I don’t know what did she do. MR. a : And that’s where I was getting to before. Is doing a round in the SHU for a lieutenant - does that mean just walking into the SHU and walking out? Or does that entail actually doing something when you’re in there? MR. a: I don’t think -. There’s no guidance on that. MR. a : So we've had other people tell us that when you - a lieutenant is actually required to walk the tiers and conduct a round. Not to list it on the round sheet, but like it were - like the people who list those rounds on the rounds sheet. Is that you’ re understanding of what you were supposed to do? MR. QJ: =f mean yeah. MR. a : So is that what she should have done? She should have walked the tiers and checked on the inmates? MR. a: Yeah. I mean -. MR. a : By policy I’m saying. EFTA00062837

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wo wo = oO =] MR. ae: By policy you’ve got to make round. MR. a : And that round is classified as like a round like the COs who are wu in the SHU do a round? MR. a: I’ve got to double check on MR. a : Okay. MR. a : To tell you the truth. MR. a : And that’s MR. ae: Yeah. MR. ae : You’re unclear? Okay. And that’s where I’m still trying. Because we've also had le mM s people - but some people have also said no, a round for a lieutenant and a round for a CO is different. A round for a lieutenant is visiting the SHU and checking in with the officers. We’ve had more people say no-no-no-no-no. You need to go into the SHU. You need to check in with the officers, but you also need to walk tt tier. MR. QJ: 9 Right. MR. a : And I’m trying to get MR. a: It depends on the lieutenant. EFTA00062838

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 Saying that I didn’t know if those three things are in place? MR. a : I’m not sure. MR. a : You’re not sure. And I know you don’t want to like - you know - but like - I’m just trying to reconcile it too. Like alright, if you’re saying you didn’t know, how is that possible if everybody else -. Everybody else I talked to seems to know. MR. a: Then again, I told you the hotlist and all that. That’s things that’s like -. Like the email, even though it’s out, that’s - there’s no timeframe on that. MR. QJ: yeah. But the fact that they’re still on the hotlist, I would think that that would continue because the email went out -- MR. a: Yeah. MR. a : -- but then you’re also placed on the hotlist. And if you’re on the hotlist it basically corresponds with that email. Correct? MR. QJ: Yeah. But the hotlist is for initial. So you get locked up, that’s when I’m checking. I know I’m checking to see if this 195 EFTA00062843

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ow oO oo wo wo inmate is on the hotlist. Initially. MR. Ee : So only when the hotlist changes? You’re not looking at the people that are still on the hotlist? MR. a: Well I’m saying like if there’s ten on there. anda guy gets locked up - | from 11 North. He comes and he just got a psych alert and we make sure he get a bunkie. He got a bunkie. He goes a month with a bunkie. Day 31 we’re not still - you know. MR. Ee : Yeah-yeah. So in this case you think even July 30th to August 9th when the guy leaves that could be enough time to say he doesn’t need one anymore? MR. a: I mean I’m not psychology. MR. Ee : All right. And you don’t know of psychology making any more -? No one told you -? MR. a: No one specified the time frame - MR. a : I need to -. MR. a: -- about how long he was going to be -. MR. a : Did anyone after July 30th after receiving that email, did anyone EFTA00062844

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] know. MR. Ee : That was maybe ten days. MR. a: Because I don’t know. I don’t know. I know they (Indiscernible *02:30:39) to us so I don’t know their policy. Because I know they supposed to follow-up. And then there’s steps to it. I don’t know. I’m not familiar with that policy. MR. ae : Okay. But you think it was psychology’s - they’re the ones that should have made sure like there’s people -- MR. aa: Well they -. MR. a : -- in the SHU and the -. MR. a: They sent out the email to c it MR. QJ: | Right. MR. a: They notified us. MR. a : But you’re saying like that could be like a day or two. It doesn’t mean that two weeks from there it matters. MR. a: Yeah, I mean. That happens two weeks after that? Yeah. The guy goes to court. He leaves. There’s a time and opportunity. And I don’t think it’s nobody’s fault. EFTA00062846

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oo wo wo at least. MR. ae: No. The hotlist is there. It’s been there since I was working there. The 7) hotlist is back there. And that’s about it. MR. a : And do you know if Epstein was on the hotlist? MR. a: No. I’m not sure. MR. a : You’re not sure. MR. a : Do you have the hotlist? MR. a : Not with us. No. I don’t think. Do we have it? No. You said you didn’t even as the ops lieutenant you don’t recall specific conversations with anybody that worked in the SHU on August 9th or 10th? No? MR. ae: Specific conversation, no. It was a regular day. MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. I mean up - leading from basically July 30th to August wo th. MR. QJ: 90h. About the -? MR. a : About the need for checking on Epstein or a cellmate or anything to do with Epstein? MR. a : No. All I know is when he tried it the first time, he went to suicide EFTA00062848

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1 watch. Came off. And they put him with the 2 other guy. No-no. with someone 3 else. I don’t know. 4 MR. QJ: So initially he is with - 8 MR. a : And then he went to watch. 0 MR. QJ: 9 vh-huh. 11 MR. a : Came back on Jul 30th 2 like that. So from July 30th to August 9th. its) n o Pp. a p- Q oO 3 As ops lieutenant or otherwise, did you have 4 any conversations with anybody working on the J - on August 9th or August 10th 8 MR. a : And what were those wo 20 MR. QJ: 9oUh you know just hey, leave N c a Bp a = ct a i} u. c ts) f Q Oo + ct wu N nN a 0) H i) early. You’ve got legal visits. Uh I N a a 5 ie) = he was asking for a phone call. A Nh c b- a o basic you know regular stuff. MR. a : What about with regard to U Nh uw EFTA00062849

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1 making sure they’re doing rounds or that he has 2 a cellmate? Did you have any conversations 3 from the time you got that email on? After you 4 got that email, did you call down to the SHU it) 5 and say hey, or visit the SHU, and say hey make Did you -? wo 5 ys 5 A I wouldn’t do it if I’m 11 MR. J: | Right. 2 MR. ae: You know? Did you take any action Ww 5 4 after receiving that email? Did you talk to 5 anybody about it? 16 MR. a: I can’t recall. 7 MR. a : That email was -. Why 8 was that email sent out to all the lieutenants? wo MR. a: I told you. They send it out 20 every time someone comes off suicide watch. N c a Ps) b Q a rt wo oO = o w ct # u ct on oO ins) ho ‘o = K 'd Oo un 0] Oo rh rt a 1] ct N a a MR. ae: For the doing they job. you getting it and Nh 5 wn 18) o ke s lieutenant. Or ine] uw Q is) p. 5 Q bet Oo = K u ie) oO wu MH Kb a ~ o a 5 is) ue) EFTA00062850

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uw oO 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 an activities’ lieutenant. What does that - is that something that you’re supposed to make other people aware of? Or why do they provide you with that information? MR. a: I think they required to. MR. a : They’ re required to? MR. a: I think they’re required, or it could be a reminder. Hey, by the way, this guy’s getting released off suicide watch and placed him with an inmate in SHU. MR. ee : But is it so you can then follow-up to make sure the CO’s know? Or there must be a reason rather than just for your own information. There’s got to be. Usually you’ re provided information for a specific reason. So why are lieutenants provided that information? Rather than just the SHU lieutenant? Why are everybody else provided it? MR. QJ: «Uh I’m not sure. But they send an email out to everybody though. MR. a : Right. MR. a: Lieutenants (Indiscernible *02:35:05). MR. a : SO that’s what I’m EFTA00062851

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wo wo saying. Well it’s not an all-staff email. It’s like -. MR. ae : No. It’s a correctional Right? MR. a : Oh you can tell me. I’1ll show you. I thought it was primarily services and correctional systems. lieutenants. I mean I think a couple SHU staff might be on there. But it’s the three pages behind it. observation update. So you got legal in here, suicide watch psych food service, case managers, lieutenants, unit team -. you able to tell like is there a target reviewing that are audience that they’re -- MR. GJ: No. MR. a : -- sending it out to? aware. This is to make everybody Because it’s not an all- staff email though is it? MR. QJ: No. So who are they sending EFTA00062852

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N cs) wi 2 MR. a : Like how do they come up 3 with that group of people to send it to? 4 MR. ae: It’s the same way we do the 5 logs. We send it to the same group every 6 night 7 MR. a : What group is that? 8 MR. a: Then Executive staff, then 9 lieutenants, then psychology, then a ‘ } w n Oo } fn b rt pw b b i] Oo KK b ] a rt b Oo 5 a b 3 MR. a: Correctional staff yeah. 4 It’s not all correctional officers though. 7 MR. a: You got some officers on here 8 too. wo MR. a : But you’re not sure how 20 they make that decision? 21 MR. a: No. Yeah. You got medical, 22 lieutenants, food service, R&D, legal, duty 23 officer, yeah. I mean I think they would 24 probably do this it’s for your information. 25 Like FYI. EFTA00062853

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wo wo 3) MR. a : But you know -. I understand where the FYI. Fs) H if) ct a fu ct ie rt fw KR Q om ct wu is o bh a 5 is] om specific people? Okay. But as far as you MR. ae: Yeah, I can’t recall if I spoke to him about it up internal or not. MR. a: And that wouldn’t be like the information to lieutenants and the lieutenants make sure that you provide the MR. a: It depends on your area. Like if I’m the SHU lieutenant right now, MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. MR. ae: So they guy’s coming in. Make sure. Okay. Make sure you know. I’m saying directly to the staff I’m 206 EFTA00062854

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) N fas) 1 thing we’re looking into. Who should have made 2 sure Epstein -? Once YY was remov 3 people were notified that he was removed. Who 4 should have taken action? 6 MR. es : And who in your opinion should have? 8 MR. a: I don’t know man that’s a tough one. Yeah. 0 MR. a : But like even position 11 wise. Not to name names. What position should wo 2 have taken action? 3 MR. a: Mm. I’m not sure. I’m not 4 sure with that one there. 16 MR. a: I just - that just -. The you know. Now I’m just handing you wo back this lieutenant log. 20 MR. QJ: §9Mm-hn. - You know a few pa N c a 22 back. But um did you - were you involved with 23 that lieutenant’s log? Did you make any 24 entries on that lieutenant log on August 9th? 25 MR. a: I’m not sure. EFTA00062857

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ow oO wo wo MR. a: So for one, a regular staff wouldn’t even know who bunkie is. MR. a : And that’s where my question. Should SHU have started saying like this is - hey ops and activities’ lieutenant. This | guy is Epstein’s cellmate. We need to start thinking about putting a cellmate and getting a new cellmate assigned. MR. a: That’s again if they definitely knew he wasn’t coming back. Just because this - like you can get a pre-remove -. MR. QJ: and is that why -? MR. a: And then at 4:50 you get pre- remove to such-and-such. MR. a : Okay. So is that why PF memo that said, “possibly not coming back and will likely need a new cellmate.” Is that why that’s the appropriate response? MR. a: Possibly. Probably. Because you never could tell. MR. a : And is that why you’re saying that they would have written possibly because at this point it looks like it’s likely, but it’s not definite. MR. a : Yeah. I could see him -. I EFTA00062869

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oo wo wo he shouldn’t have passed it up to the ops and activities’ lieutenant. He should have kept it in-house until it was definite. MR. : have been premature prior to this time. MR. : that time. If he came back, then oh. I It’s premature. Yeah. Okay. Because that would Yeah. Because like I said that both a. or however you pronounce And even keeping in mind Well after that I don’t think he was bunked with him after that. What I’m saying is both of his previous inmates they were both vetted from the highest of Him and -. No-no-no. levels. Even with that knowledge, you think that they should have still waited. N N nn EFTA00062874

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 no inmate - just a regular inmate shouldn’t be placed with this guy. He needs to be vetted. It’s vetted all the way up to the regional director’s level. MR. a: Yeah. I’m not sure on that one. MR. a : Yeah sure. Yeah. All right. Not sure. So is there anything else if it says with a: Does it say when he was actually -- MR. a: It just says 8:38 pre- removed. That means taken off the count. Now if he comes back, it will say pre-removed to ZA. And it kind of changes. MR. a : So because it says pre- removed, there’s no reason to note when they were definitively told he wasn’t coming back? MR. a: Yeah. This just means he went to court. Right? So you have three going out. Meaning you’re off on count. MR. QJ: 0 in-hn. MR. a: It could be in the Eastern District - whatever. If you do come back, they put you back on. MR. a : But only if you come EFTA00062877

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N Ww as 1 I’m evening watch, the only think I’m checking 2 for is the pre-removed to the institution. So 3 these three, hey did they come back today or 4 are they off the So there wouldn’t be 5 no follow up. 6 MR. QM: so there’ -? There should have -. There’s not another i] no additional 8 line item that shouldn’t be in there saying wo that | wasn’t one of the individuals that 0 came back. 11 MR. ae: No because - because no. 2 MR. ae : So there’s a pre-removed 3 but there’s no line for removed. 4 MR. a: No. Pre-removed means off the 5 count. He’s out the building. Now if he comes 7 MR. a : -- and you -? 8 MR. a: -- you just put him back in. 20 notification that should be made - should have wo a3 that’s the only been made on N c lieutenant’s log? Yeah. This one here? Yeah. N ho Fs) N a a Nh i All right. And do you ND ul F EFTA00062879

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N Ww wi 2 MR. ae: No. Not that I recall. 3 MR. a : Okay. All right. So 4 we're going to move on from that. You can give 5 that back or you can hold onto it. Whatever 6 you want to do. Do you know about any cameras in the MCC SHU that were not working on August or 10th? a : No. That they wasn’t co ts) ct a wo a 11 MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. 3 MR. a : Have you - did you ever - 4 were you made aware of that after August 9th? 5 Any cameras were not working? 16 MR. a: I heard something about when 7 they was like checking videos and stuff. 8 MR. a : What did you hear about wo + 20 MR. QJ: §9That some of them was showing 21 22 MR a : And who would have been 23 responsible for making sure the cameras were 24 working? 25 MR. a: Mm. The facilities. EFTA00062883

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oo wo wo N Ww fe) MR. a : All right. What is your understanding of the phone call that took place on August 9th with Epstein’s telephone call? MR. ae: It was a regular phone call. MR. a : Did you hear that it was made in the shower area? MR. a: No. MR. a : Have you ever heard of telephone calls being made in the shower area? MR. a: In the shower area? Yeah. MR. a : And what’s the purpose of MR. a: The cord can’t reach. And I’1ll say we got him out taking a shower - hey I’m going to give you a phone right now while I’m - while you’re right there. I don’t have i] v t 3 's jj a i nsv i to pull you out and it’s like a time consuming method. MR. a : Do you know if the line that they would be using in that area would be recorded line or a legal line? MR. a: It’s two. There’s two. MR. a : Okay. So would there be any reason to provide someone with a legal line that’s not recorded? EFTA00062887

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wo wo 20 N c N nN N a Nh Nh uw you know they let them call their legal attorneys. And yeah, they do that. MR. a : Okay. And if they didn’t MR. a: I don’t know if it’s a MR. a: But it’s not common. MR. a : Yeah. So let’s say if \ the captain even authorized it. Yeah, give him his phone call. Just make sure you monitor it and log it. MR. GR: No. MR. a: They didn’t monitor it. They didn’t log it. Would that be a problem? MR. a: The captain telling me. hear of that practice taking place in the MR. a: Unmonitored calls? MR. a : Yeah. Or lik somebody in the SHU have a phone call on an oO letting unmonitored line, walking away, letting that person talk? MR. a: No. Now from an officer’s Nh a EFTA00062889

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wo wo standpoint? MR. QM: Yeah. mR. GR: 9 No. MR. a : You never seen that before? Or heard about it? MR. a: Officers. No. MR. a : Okay. What is the policy for inmates making a calls from the SHU? MR. a : Mm. I do know they could get - they got to scernible *03:04:12) in compas 7) ionate phone line. And they get with the chaplain they can make a phone call. Like say that they might you only get one call every 30 days. So chaplain say hey, give this guy a call. They come up. They bring him. They let him use the compassionate phone. MR. a : And when you say -. MR. a: And that’s about it. MR. QJ: what’s a compas phone? MR. a: Yeah. It’s like something they have a death in the family or something like that MR. a : But is that a monitored EFTA00062890

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S) N N No S) wo WwW wo WwW ability to do either a recorded line or a non- recorded line? MR. a : They’ re right next to each other? MR. a: It’s a jack. Yeah. MR. ae : Yeah. Okay. What about - what’s the MCC poli MR. a: You have to search the cel MR. a : Do you know about them MR. a: Staff not conducting? MR. a: Like for instance here cell search from 9 South or the SHU on Augus on conducting searches 1. , t 9th. It’s one cell search. It was conducted during the day by a . I search that was conducted on MR. a : Is that weird for you? cell earch its) 5 iy rt he is) c Oo & b on n o @ 12) = be 2) = o ie] s 244 EFTA00062892

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wo wo 24 MR. a : And are you aware if they weren’t doing that? MR. ER: on. you were saying before? An abnormal da MR. a: I mean I don’t know. I wasn’t aware that they wasn’t doing it. No. MR. a : Okay. Um and is there responsibility of the ops or activities’ lieutenant overseeing to make sure that these cell searches are being conducted? MR. ae: Yeah. is that much we check Every a cell supposed to eb sear s. So a a o ion oO o K ‘ Ww ro) o. fw he A MR. a : Every cell in there is MR. ae: The whole unit yeah. MR. a : Okay. And that’s where the ops lieutenant and activities’ lieutenant 246 EFTA00062894

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wo wo 5 7 Any lieutenant. MR. a : Any lieutenant. lieutenant in there. As the activities’ lieutenant or the ops lieutenant on any of the Should ha they been like were doing their job? Mm. I’m not sure. MR. ae: Because I mean that’s in TruScope. It’s like you’re not checking TruScope at that time -- MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. MR. a: —- anywe MR. a: And during your rounds -- MR. a: And on top of that I think cell You know. ct J i) Q iv) be b a I ct a o Q w =| i) it w wa ue] Kh e} oa fu a) ie) Oo = rt Ss @ 7) being checked. I’m quite sure. They didn’t log them. EFTA00062895

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wo wo 20 N c N nN N a Nh Nh uw And not locking it? You got to hey, get out. You’re doing a feed and cuff up, showers, you not locked. w come out and surprising to you to yeah. o they But would it be hear that there was a lot of extra linens and clothing and all that kind of stuff in the SHU? searches, wouldn’t they take that keep them with suppose so Yeah All right. But you MR. a : SO you think it was - this is all they logged but they probably did just more? Nh ao EFTA00062896

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Nh Nh No N WwW wo 7) WwW wo WwW MR. a : All right. And so that - and that’s not abnormal for them to have their own pill bottles and things like that in the SHU? towel, depending on what two sheets. blankets and two sheets? MR. a: Depending on the weather. MR. MR. ae: And how much is available. MR. a: What about in August? sheets could have they How many had? MR. a: How many they could have? MR. a: Uh. It depends. Some of them -. It depends. It they say hey, let them it, two and two, let them keep it. MR. EFTA00062898

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wo wo 24 they’ re allowed to have? MR. ae: Books. Food. Yeah. MR. a : All right. Do you know if Epstein was given any special privileges to have extra clothing or extra linens? MR. BJ: No. No? Do you know if he extra linens? MR. a : Who was making sure that Epstein had the correct amount of clothing a linens? MR. QM: Would it be like the SHU staff or the lieutenant or all of the The SHU lieutenant? MR. a: I’m not sure. MR. a : Working in the SHU though, or previously, you don’t know who would MR. a: Who is monitoring it? I MR. a : Like who would be - who’s responsible? Not let - sounds like - look wn like no one was monitoring it but who was EFTA00062901

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wo wo Nh uw actually responsible to make sure him and these guys aren’t supposed to have that many - that much clothing or linen. MR. ae: I’m not sure. Because when we used to do linen, you give me three, I give you three. That’s how we used to monitor it. MR. a : Yes. It’s supposed to be like a one-for-one exchange. ible to keep an eye on his things eah. So I don’t know who’s K n respons m U though. I uh -. MR. ae : Typically who provides inmates with their linens? MR. a : Do lieutenants ever do MR. a: No. Not really. MR. a : So it would be the staff that’s responsible then huh? MR. QJ: Yeah. That’s why I say (Indiscernible *03:12:15) responsibility I then. MR. a : Okay. Does the SHU lieutenant ever do it? 7] gues MR. a: I mean, it could. I could if EFTA00062902

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oo wo wo Nh uw ao remember if the day before you talked with this guy when it’s like the biggest case ever? MR. ae : yeah. MR. a : You don’t remember? MR. a: Uh-huh. ‘Cause I brung him up to SHU a few times. But I don’t know if I did that day. MR. a : I’m just saying that kind of sparks a little suspicion if -- MR. a: I know what you’re saying. MR. a : -- it’s like - if it’s like you can’t even remember the last - if you talked to him on that day - the day before. MR. a: I mean it’s a bigec get that. But I mean, you know, I have a job se. I w like you know? MR. a : Yeah-yeah. I mean, I’m just saying that that’s going to create a MR. QJ: 9 Yeah but I cannot remember if I spoke to that dude that day. MR. a : Do you remember when was the last time you saw him? MR. a : No. I’m probably assuming that day. If he was in attorney conference. EFTA00062906

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oo wo wo Nh uw fe) MR. a : Um. And is that because you would have visited attorney conference? MR. ae : Yeah. The elevator is right there. I’m on the third floor here. Attorney conference is there. If I wait right here in the elevator, I see him. He’s in the same room MR. a : But you can’t remember if MR. a : Would you typically speak with him when he was in attorney conference? MR. a: The only time I used to speak to him is if they say hey, you can bring this. Hey, you going to SHU? Can you take him up? All right. Come on. MR. QJ: 411 right. MR. a : Can I ask a question on that? MR. a : Yes. Please do. MR. QJ: 9 gust in case, I mean I know you said you don’t remember, but that’s hi fr) last day. That’s the last time you saw him. m Do you remember who he was with that day? MR. a : His lawyers. MR. a: Do you remember his demeanor? EFTA00062907

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wo WwW wo WwW MR. a : But you weren’t back? So he was in attorney conference all that time. last tim So th i) 03) i) you possibly could have interacted with him would have been around 8:00 -m. Correct? MR. a: I mean interacting like talking to him? MR. a : Speaking with him. MR. a : Yeah. But I don’t think I - I can’t recall if I spoke -. I don’t think I wu MR. ae : Yeah-yeah-yeah. MR. a: -- I’m not sure if I did or I MR. a: The last time would have been I mean -. Yeah. If I stepped into attorney conference and said something. But -. MR. QJ: =I don’t MR. a : But you don’t recall what call that. mentioned the one thing where he was worried EFTA00062910

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ow oO wo because his - you know -. MR. a: Yeah. The first day he got here. MR. a : He told an officer. MR. a: He’s saying hey, uh officer, hey there’s this guy up here. His face is - well we get those calls all the time. MR. a : Do you know of any other complaints that he made? Did he ever complain to you or you get any other information about it? MR. a: While he was planning on getting off of suicide watch. That’s about it. MR. Ee : Okay. And was he making those complaints to you about getting off of suicide watch? MR. a: He was just saying hey, why you guys got me like -. I’m like well you talk to psych and then they’1ll talk to you and they spoke to him and he went back up. MR. a : And what was this complaint about? About being -? MR. a: He was saying why he was on there yeah. He wanted his clothes and you know. EFTA00062911

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No on uw if] 1 depends on -. Do you know what the rea 2 he would need a Bunkie? 3 MR. ae : His suicide attempt. 4 Hotlist. 5 MR. a : Do you ever put people 6 that are suicide attempts or hotlist in G Tier or 10 South, so they have extra eyes on them? 8 MR. a: Mm. I don’t think. No one in 10 South is on the hotlist. I don’t recall. 0 MR. QJ: what about G Tier? What’s their -? Who? What’s the deal with G wo 3 2 Tier? Like who goes -- 3 MR. a: Single cells. 4 MR. a: -- in there? 5 MR. ae: Single cells. 16 MR. a: Yeah-yeah-yeah. But they have cameras in there, right? Every ke Oo 3 iu) Oo Mh 8 them gets - just like 10 South - but -? Yeah but uh 9 South some of wo a3 20 the - some cameras in some of those. N c Q oO bh b it) MR. a : Do you believe Epstein should have been in a cell with a camera in it? N nN a N a No. N Ne uw cs BOF re) EFTA00062913

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wo WwW wo WwW MR. ae: I mean I knew about it. was talking about it. MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. So what understanding about how he died? MR. a: He hung himself. MR. ae : Do you know anything about anyone else taking his life? about anyone assisting with taking his life? MR. QJ: )=sNah. MR. a : No. Do you believe that Epstein took his own life? MR. ae: Yes. MR. a: Do you believe that Epstein acted alone in taking his own life? MR. a: Yes. MR. a : All right. Then there’s only three more questions here. Tt you know anything y're more open-ended. What do you believe would prevented Epstein from dying? MR. ae: Nothing. MR. a : Nothing? Do you think that if he was - wanted to take his life he EFTA00062917

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not. If I have the notice he had up until that time and left for one day. Then this happens. I can’t blame lieutenant, staff, notifications. You know. Remember there’s like 900 inmates in there. MR. a : Right. MR. a : I know he’s high-profile, but we also have to monitor other inmates. The round situation. If that’s true. That could have been a little bit you know -. You’ve got to make rounds in SHU. MR. a : Counts too though, right? MR. a : You’ve got to make rounds and counts. MR. a : Now going back to there. You say it’s not on anybody. But if he’s - psychology is saying he’s required to have a cellmate. It’s got to be on somebody. Right? If he’s on the hotlist. He’s in SHU where he’s supposed to have a cellmate anyway. And psychology is saying he’s got to have a cellmate. It’s got to fall to somebody to make sure. Hey, who is supposed to make sure this guy has got a cellmate? His cellmate is gone. He doesn’t have a cell mate. 271 EFTA00062919

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] ~] ~] No this out a month ago. He’s not suicidal no more. He said it. It’s like you know. MR. a : Well in this case I think it was like 9 days. But yeah. MR. a: Yeah. But there’s still no timeframe. Some guys say they suicidal just to get out of SHU and play the game. Go back in. MR. QM: Richt. MR. a : But it’s never saying hey this guy is not. There’s no memo saying he does need a cellmate. MR. ae : Would you agree though that it’s both? The fact that he was required to have a cellmate and they weren’t conducting rounds? MR. a: Yeah. Yeah. MR. a : And that’s where - when I talk about the problems. MR. a: The thing is, that happened, but it’s - that can happen. Hey oh. His Bunkie left. I didn’t put a cellmate. That can happen. MR. QJ: Richt. MR. a : You know. That can happen here. EFTA00062925

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wo wo 20 N ras N Nh N a Nh Nh uw MR. QJ: Right. MR. ae: You get inmates that was crying on level two. Hey, got to have a cellmate. You moved him? Yeah. Oh you ain’t check? Oh you know. MR. Fo : Yeah. understand you I think what I is that the primary issue is not doing rounds. Secondary and a much lesser issue was that they didn’t fill up his that correct? MR. ae: Yeah. MR. ae : Okay. And are there any other problems or violations occurring inside the MCC that we should be made aware of? MR. a: We’re talking about the mcc. MR. a: Violation MR. a : Anything that we should have known about that you think needs to be ? n fixed. MR. a: You got mandated a lot. I know that. You’re working. MR. a : So there’s - is what you’re saying then that they’re severely No ~] oo EFTA00062926

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2 MR. ae: They was. I don’t know how 3 it is now. Buy they was. 4 MR. a : And again when did you 6 MR. a: Uh December '19. 7 MR. ae : December of 2019? At 8 that point they were still extremely over -? wo AJ Extremely. 0 MR. a : What about - was there ng that was being fixed ver since when oO rh nN Oo Pp vo } Q 2 Epstein died and August o you see ing being fixed by that point? 4 MR. a: Uh. They did change the log. 5 I know that. 16 MR. a: What does that mean? 7 MR. a: They started putting inmates 8 that go to court. Just in case. We started 9 doing them and started attaching the PP38 to 21 MR. QM: So they would almost be 22 part of the outcount? N a a MR. ae: No. You could see. You 24 could see all the movement. EFTA00062927

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 280 MR. a: You know. You could see all the movement. They started single cell memos. Every time I need to know- every night. Because I worked the morning. Every night I need the -. Hey whose up there - single cell? That was an every night thing. We started that um. More rounds. More reiteration of doing your rounds. Um. I know the rounds. They got tighter with the rounds. The log. Mm. It was some things. There were some things. As far as staff, I think they did hire a class like right before. But um. You know. MR. a : Now has that just been a constant problem with um with the MCC with being able to like fill -? MR. a : I mean that’s -. Yeah. That’s been a problem for a while. It wasn’t like that when I first got there though. MR. a : And what is - why do you think it’s so hard to keep that place staffed? MR. a: Well uh I think they can’t compete. It’s the pay. They’re not competing with other agencies. It’s a tough job. Working there is tough. MR. a : Yeah. EFTA00062928

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wo 10 12 13 14 MR. a: I mean it takes some people that. You know. Say hey, you can make this your first year. Just going to put some work in it. You’ve got people that want it. You know. That wants the money. MR. a : You think that it means they should have like a higher pay at the MCC? And the MDC? MR. a: Higher pay or you look for people that are looking for opportunity. You know. MR. a : Like as in make it like a rotating place? You have to do a certain amount of time there and then you can go to like your choice location afterwards? MR. a: I mean. MR. a: What do you mean by opportunity? I guess I should say. MR. a: Like I don’t know. I know the - I think it’s a college requirement or credit something like that. Is it? I don’t know. I’m not sure. MR. Ee : I have -. We’ve definitely talked to people that don’t have bachelor’s degrees. EFTA00062930

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Ne oa Wo 1 MR. ae: Yeah. But I think they have 2 um credits. I think they change it for 4 MR. a : Yeah. Some people have 5 said some college. 7 MR. ae : That we’ve talked to that wo a I think -. 0 I don’t think I’ve talked 11 they didn’t have any 4 MR. : Yeah. But I mean some people 5 without college, it’s one opportunity to 16 hey, you can make $60,000 your first year. I ust need you to show up and work. 8 MR. SJ: Right. MR. a: Follow the rules. You know. 20 And the credit check I think was getting a lot wu. wo ine] f oO h ie] o oO ue] pan oO MR. a : Is that right? MR. ae: Yeah. Credit checks. I N nN a N a a 24 think that’s what weeds out a lot of people. 25 MR. a : Now do you believe though EFTA00062931

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oo wo wo Nh ao - on that note - if we’re not doing credit checks, we’re letting that slide. Wouldn’t that breed a potential problem with introduction of contraband and being paid you know for brining things in? MR. a: Bribery and stuff? MR. a : Yeah. Because that’s big problem in the BOP. MR. a : Yeah. But I think that’ I mean you’ve got some people in there I mean. i) wu is) That don’t work. That don’t. no. you could be. I seen people get arrested with good credit. MR. QJ: Right. MR. ae: Six figures - making six figures and do some corrupt stuff. MR. QJ: | Right-right. MR. a : So. That’s not it. MR. QR: Okay. MR. QJ: 9 ’m not saying take everyone. But you know. MR. ae: It’s like if you renting to somebody and you a landlord. And you say alright, I know you ain’t got the top score, EFTA00062932

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] Nh fos) wi but I see you pay your bills on time. You had a little student loan debt here or whatever. I’1ll give you a shot. MR. QM: Yeah. MR. a: You know. MR. a : What have you got? MR. a: You mentioned that you saw Epstein in the conference room. MR. a : Attorney conference. Yeah. MR. a: And sometimes he was sleeping. MR. ae: It looked like he was sleeping. He would lay down on the table like MR. ae: Is that normal for inmates to be sleep in the conference room? MR. a: To sleep? No. that’s not normal. Most guys is trying to get out. Saying hey, you need to do this and do that. MR. QJ: 9Did anyone ever tell him to wake up or address it? MR. a: I don’t think so. MR. ae: The reason I ask is like was that a privilege that was allowed to Epstein? To do that? EFTA00062933

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] Nh fos) nn MR. a: No. It wasn’t a privilege. I think the being that he was there from early in the morning to whatever time. The lawyers probably like alright, let’s look over this. And he probably laying, and I’1l1 wait until y’all finished. And then alright, let’s go. But he also gets to buy out the vending machine too. At firs MR. a: The vending machine? MR. a: Yeah. He used to get all his snacks. MR. ae : Yeah. Because you weren’t allowed to give him food in there right? MR. QJ: =n the sHU? You got food. MR. QJ: Not in suv. MR. a: In attorney -. MR. a : Attorney conference. I was told that he basically had to get his own food from the vending machines. MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : Was he allowed -? Would people feed him - the BOP food - when he was in attorney conference? Would they bring him a tray? MR. QJ: «om. No. I don’t think so. EFTA00062934

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] Nh oa ~ I don’t even think he even ate that. I’m not sure. I don’t even know if he even ate the BOP food. He probably just ate commissary. MR. Ee : Oh so there’s a commissary he could go to? MR. a: Sure. You could go to MR. a : No. I’m talking about because 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. he was always with attorney conference. MR. a: Yeah. So he used to get drinks and chips - snack food. MR. a : And that’s what he would just eat all day? MR. a: I don’t know about all day. But I know you know he’ll have a - hey, make sure when the lawyers come, they get his sodas and drinks and they get us his chips. MR. : e. MR. QJ: 9 Yeah. MR. a : Do you know anything about would he eat before he would go and then be afforded a tray as soon as he got back to SHU? MR. a : Uh. I mean yeah . but that EFTA00062935

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oo wo wo Nh fos) ao wouldn’t be -. That wouldn’t be kind of common. That’s what any legal visit that we used to do. MR. a : Yeah-yeah-yeah. I’m just saying if he’s days a week not eating - only eating a bag of chips or something from 8:00 1) a.m. to 8:00 p.m., that seems like he’d get a little more hungry than that. MR. a : Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know - I don’t recall him getting a tray in there though. MR. ae : Yeah-yeah-yeah. No. MR. a: Yeah. I don’t know. MR. a: I don’t know if he was or not. That’s why I was asking. MR. a: Yeah. But if he comes back from there and they said hey that’s my tray from earlier and if he was in legal visit, we would give it to him. MR. QJ: Right. MR. a: I mean that’s common EFTA00062936

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 counts, you’ve got to a bed book. And then you’1l find discrepancy. But then again, you know who usually updates the bed book count? MR. a: The lieutenant? MR. a: Morning watch. Because I’m now - this is the new day - 12:01. MR. a : Okay. MR. a: This person’s not here. Now I know for a fact that this is what I’m starting my day with - for the whole day. MR. : I was going to show one - the same document. You mentioned that when you were working the SHU around 2:00 a.m. you would have got the court document. Right? The attorney would have brought it up. Or someone would have brought up the document. MR. a: Yeah. It comes up on morning watch. MR. a: If - I mean and we don’t know for sure if that was the same happening. Who would have got that notification at 2:00 a.m. on August 9th? MR. a: About the paperwork? MR. a: About the court documents. MR. a: Uh probably internal. EFTA00062938

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N o ar 1 MR. QJ: No who in the SHU. Who was 2 in the SHU at that point? Who would have 3 gotten notified? Hey, listen 7 is leaving 4 in the morning. 5 MR. a: Uh. Po and Thomas. 6 MR. a: FY Thomas? 8 MR. a: And let’s say the morning came around. The shift changes and -. Who wo 0 would h got the document? iney - i: wn 3 MR. a: Who would have notified 4 control or kept track of the fact that || is 5 walking out of there? 16 MR. a: And again I told you, see if you don’t - it’s not a thought. It’s not 8 coming on my radar until -. MR. a: No. I’m not saying that. 20 But who in the SHU would have been wo MR. a: Someone in the SHU like I N ras N ho said evening watch around 8:00. If they’re 23 saying hey, R&D they weren’t back? Make sure 24 our count is right. But um. Yeah. 25 MR. a: That’s it. I just had to EFTA00062939

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La Ability - 158:19, 24411 Abnormal - 23:20, 56:18, 56:21, 56:24, 57:5, 57:18, 79:5, 175:16, 175:17, 176:7, 176:9, 177:24, 246:5, 250:2 Above - 5:21, 14:23, 91:25, 253:15 Acceptable - 181:9 Accepted - 142:22 Access - 216:2 According - 6:5, 61:10, 104:15, 162:23, 293:7 Accordingly - 5:13 Account - 233:4 Accountability - 89: 10, 89:15 Accuracy - 121:5 Accurate - 66:20 Act - 5:10 Acted - 269:17 Acting - 14:16, 155:15, 181:21, 181:22 Action - 5:14, 93:1, 202:13, 208:22, 209:4, 209:12, 214:2, 224:22 Actions - 90:21, 90:25 Activities - 28:6, 41:8, 58:17, 88:8, 150:6, 150:9, 155:21 Activity - 24:5 Actual - 110:13, 145:2, 149:21, 165:3, 165:18, 183:4 Add - 8:10, 132:22 Additional - 231:6 Address - 8:11, 45:4, 46:17, 285:21 Afforded - 287:23 Afterwards - 282:15 Against - 5:15, 5:24 Agencies - 280:23 Agency - 5:18 Agent - 4:2, 4:6, 4:8, 6:23, 6:25, 7:2, 293:17 Agents - 130:12 Ago -277:1 Agree - 4:17, 6:2, 165:7, 166:6, 277:12 Ahead - 41:18, 66:11, 157:19, 159:9 Ain't - 84:1, 127:13, 170:9, 180:13, 187:4, 217:3, 243:23, 276:17, 278:4, 284:25 Alarm - 90:10, 90:12 Alert - 98:3, 101:16, 196:8 Alive - 104:23, 165:11 Allow - 37:15 Allowed - 18:4, 137:9, 238:14, 249:11, 249:17, 250:20, 253:1, 270:6, 285:24, 286:13, 286:21 Allows - 173:21 Almost - 228:22, 279:21 Alone - 32:10, 269:17 Along - 62:17 Alphabetical - 39:2 0 Already - 40:4, 82:13, 128:12, 148:20, 150:25, 211:21, 212:17, 212:18, 222:13, 227:19 Alright - 184:19, 195:7, 255:18, 257:2, 284:25, 286:4, 286:6 Although - 118:9 Always - 39:13, 48:11, 66:20, 69:10, 102:24, 161:6, 170:21, 175:22, 211:18, 287:9 Am - 4:6, 4:8, 4:10, 5:21, 7:1, 120:10, 293:18 Amended - 5:10 Amount - 253:11, 282:14 And/Or - 91:15, 169:18 79:11, 103:24, 197:8, 199:14, 199:15, 228:8, 230:12, 231:7, 270:16 Answer - 4:25, 5:14, 5:16, 5:22, 7:17, 92:4 Answered - 228:20 Answers - 4:16, 23:19, 97:5, 118:11 Anybody's - 137:14 Anymore - 186:18, 196:14 Anytime - 15:21 Anyway - 17:15, 44:9, 142:22, 154:22, 271:20 Anyways - 247:19 Anywhere - 34:22, 70:25, 80:5 Apart - 161:7 Apologize - 109:18, 293:14 Apparently - 129:15 Appear - 164:12, 168:19 Appears - 227:23, 227:24 Apply - 22:11, 22:12 Appreciate - 293:15 Appreciated - 234:2 2 Appropriate - 39:10 , 194:25, 221:18, 224:21 Approved - 37:16, 92:9 Approximately - 9: 18, 35:11, 61:18, 212:17, 225:13 Area - 100:22, 100:23, 101:3, 199:21, 199:23, 206:19, 239:6, 239:9, 239:10, 239:20, 240:7, 243:25, 245:20, 264:13 Aren't - 111:25, 123:2, 192:7, 254:2 Arrested - 284:12 Arrival - 61:23, 222:6, 225:19 Arrive - 70:5 Arrived - 30:6 Aside - 120:1, 123:2 Ask - 7:10, 22:15, 22:17, 41:14, 45:19, 52:10, 76:11, 81:4, 120:18, 124:1, 168:1, 177:12, 259:18, 285:23 Asked - 4:15, 5:6, 19:3, 42:7 Assigned - 31:14, 31:21, 32:9, 38:18, 221:8 Assignment - 11:7, 20:14, 47:21, 82:9, 232:25, 233:2 Assistant - 205:10 Assisting - 269:11 Associated - 150:1 3, 150:19 Assume - 149:22, 160:23 Assumed - 30:14, 169:7 Assuming - 13:20, 41:1, 91:7, 100:5, 112:8, 258:24 Assumption - 169:1 7,171:10 Assurances - 5:4, §:20 Ate - 287:1, 287:2, 287:3 Attaching - 279:19 Attempt - 265:3 Attempted - 32:18 Attempts - 98:17, 265:6 Attendance - 18:24, 21:23 Attorneys - 241:2, 260:9 Audience - 204:16, 206:3 Authority - 14:20, 14:24 Authorized - 241:10 , 249:3, 251:4, 251:19 Available - 250:15 Avenue - 8:12 Avoid - 178:14 Away - 15:22, 241:23 BA - 27:5 Bachelors - 8:24 Bachelor's - 282:25 Bad - 144:8, 144:9, 144:15, 144:16, 146:6, 147:7, 147:10, 147:11, 147:15, 151:11, 276:10, 276:12, 289:20, 289:21, 289:25 Baffling - 135:16, 167:17 Bag - 220:8, 288:6 Bail - 33:15, 34:5, 34:6 Ball - 76:2, 173:13 Banging - 89:11 Base - 80:16, 86:3, 86:16, 86:25, 87:2, 87:22, 134:21 Based - 143:21, 156:10, 169:11, 207:15 Basic - 144:7, 201:24 Basically - 44:13, 113:9, 165:4, 181:20, 195:21, 200:18, 260:24, 286:18 Basis - 5:5 Bearing - 293:15 Became - 63:5 Become - 11:16, 58:5, 62:15 Bed - 289:6, 289:7, 289:8, 289:18, 290:1, 290:3 Beginning - 173:5 Behavior - 98:17 Behind - 101:7, 204:9 Belief - 63:3, 170:10, 275:10 Bell - 39:24 Belongings - 62:12 Below - 267:24 Between - 14:1, 37:18, 80:1, 115:17, 115:24, 139:2, 224:5, 228:2, 261:22, 261:23 Big - 119:8, 177:25, 258:14, 284:8 Biggest - 30:21, 49:4, 53:16, 258:2 Bills - 285:1 Birth - 8:14 Bit -271:10 Blame - 116:16, 173:12, 208:4, 271:3, 274:20, 276:9, 276:13, 276:14 Blanket - 6:7, 37:14, 251:6, 251:10, 251:13 Blankets - 250:9, 250:12, 250:17, 251:8 EFTA00062943

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Blanks - 156:9 Board - 17:3, 87:9 Bodies - 152:1 Body - 141:9 Book - 37:16, 289:7, 289:8, 289:9, 289:18, 289:24, 290:1, 290:3 Books - 89:7, 230:13, 253:2 BOP - 9:11, 10:8, 10:9, 10:10, 10:23, 11:8, 212:18, 215:14, 215:19, 215:24, 219:24, 237:3, 284:8, 286:22, 287:2 Both - 5:19, 93:20, 106:9, 106:10, 116:24, 122:22, 124:11, 151:11, 165:25, 166:23, 226:16, 226:21, 226:23, 277:13 Bottles - 250:3 Bottom - 52:12 Box - 45:23 Boxes - 250:8 Breakdown - 208:2 1 Breaks - 10:19 Breed - 284:3 Bribery - 284:6 Bring - 45:5, 45:9, 45:11, 59:25, 242:16, 259:14, 261:7, 286:23 Brining - 284:5 Brooklyn - 60:16, 211:23 Brought - 168:18, 290:15, 290:16 Brown - 220:8 Brung - 134:12, 258:5 Building - 153:5, 231:15 Bunk - 32:7, 91:3, 97:8 Bunked - 31:24, 102:15, 226:19 Bunkie - 91:4, 91:7, 97:11, 97:14, 101:17, 196:9, 196:10, 208:11, 208:14, 208:23, 221:2, 264:23, 265:2, 277:21 Bureau - 3:6, 9:25 Bus - 183:14 Busy - 24:13, 60:1, 60:6, 176:13 Buy - 279:3, 286:7 Called - 27:9, 36:12, 36:24, 59:19, 62:18, 64:12, 72:20, 92:23, 121:20, 126:21, 159:9 Calling - 84:9, 127:2, 127:7, 134:17 Calls - 80:22, 81:8, 170:8, 171:24, 171:25, 239:9, 241:20, 242:8, 263:7 Camera - 265:23 Cameras - 235:6, 235:15, 235:23, 237:2, 247:22, 265:17, 265:20, 266:2, 266:22 Cancelled - 79:13, 79:14, 80:18 Candor - 118:13 Cannot - 258:20 Capabilities - 94:2 Captain - 14:6, 14:16, 24:17, 42:21, 73:17, 91:25, 197:8, 220:20, 227:3, 234:17, 241:10, 241:16, 257:14, 272:12, 274:8 Captain's - 74:3 Care - 150:21 Carrying - 249:24 Case - 31:3, 34:2, 93:8, 119:8, 143:8, 173:10, 186:5, 186:22, 188:4, 196:12, 204:12, 258:2, 258:14, 259:20, 277:3, 279:18 Cases - 32:6 Catch - 83:9, 87:22, 154:16 Caught - 145:4, 156:12, 164:1, 164:3, 164:4, 164:14, 188:21, 252:4 Cellmates - 91:25, 99:12, 101:12, 102:20, 103:1 Cells - 26:7, 45:14, 45:19, 46:2, 46:18, 103:6, 105:2, 141:2, 247:22, 251:11, 265:13, 265:15, 265:21 Center - 3:14, 3:15, 3:16, 3:22, 3:25, 7:6 Certain - 32:6, 55:23, 89:18, 89:19, 182:20, 282:13 Certainly - 187:20 Certifying - 120:16, 121:4 Chain - 223:2, 228:25 Change - 80:16, 87:10, 90:6, 97:4, 126:8, 148:19, 158:8, 159:6, 159:7, 162:15, 226:13, 279:14, 283:2 Changed - 87:23, 124:3, 127:10, 127:11, 140:3, 140:4, 146:20, 161:16, 164:19 Changes - 123:25, 159:15, 196:3, 229:14, 291:9 Changing - 154:23 Chaplain - 242:13, 242:15, 243:23 Charge - 61:6, 71:16 Charges - 267:13 Checked - 94:19, 101:11, 189:23, 247:23 Checking - 26:4, 26:5, 29:9, 101:10, 109:12, 136:23, 190:17, 195:25, 200:22, 227:18, 231:1, 235:17, 247:16 Checks - 185:18, 283:23, 284:2 Child - 267:13 Chips - 287:12, 287:18, 288:6 Choice - 282:15 Choose - 5:15 Circumstance - 64: 18 Circumstances - 4: 15, 6:17 Circus - 53:17 City - 9:5 Clarification - 8:10, 66:12 Clarify - 292:1 Class - 280:11 Classification - 182 :20 Classified - 190:4 Clear - 125:10, 126:5, 206:6 Cleared - 140:5 Clearly - 192:15 Clothes - 37:20, 37:23, 38:4, 38:5, 38:7, 263:24 Clothing - 248:9, 251:17, 253:5, 253:8, 253:11, 254:3 CMC - 71:17, 71:23, 73:22, 73:24 CNA - 157:23, 157:24, 159:1 CO - 190:16 Coercion - 5:23 Collaborate - 87:4 College - 282:20, 283:5, 283:12, 283:15 Colored - 96:7 Com - 236:19, 236:20 Comes - 17:2, 42:25, 43:2, 43:5, 43:19, 68:1, 68:3, 95:25, 101:14, 136:22, 186:1, WE. 202:20, 229:13, 231:15, 288:16, 290:17, 292:11 Command - 223:2, 228:25 Commissary - 287: 3, 287:5, 287:7 Commit - 32:18, 186:10, 266:12 Common - 43:8, 101:24, 102:2, 241:8, 288:2, 288:21 Communicate - 41: 8, 238:9 Communicated - 4 4:21, 78:17, 78:19 Communication - 2 08:21, 237:18, 238:2 Communications - 48:23 Compare - 124:4 Comparing - 89:20 Compassionate - 2 42:12, 242:17, 242:20 Compete - 280:22 Competing - 280:22 Complain - 260:3, 263:9 Complaint - 263:22 Complaints - 263:9, 263:15 Complete - 26:23 Completely - 234:5 Compliance - 109:7 Computer - 86:5, 215:7, 218:7, 218:9 Condense - 46:3 Conduct - 25:23, 53:10, 104:17, 104:21, 106:13, 106:17, 168:17, 189:14, 193:12, 245:3, 245:6 Conducting - 25:9, 25:17, 52:15, 52:16, 55:11, 88:17, 107:15, 165:6, 244:8, 244:12, 244:13, 248:17, 277:14 Confident - 65:2 Confused - 151:2 Confusing - 146:10 Connecticut - 3:13 Considering - 228: 21 Consist - 25:3, 26:15 Conspiracy ~- 116:2 5, 117:5, 176:3 Constant - 280:14 Constantly - 218:18 Constituted - 118:1 3 Consuming - 239:1 7 Contacted - 159:24, 171:11, 171:17 Continue - 66:9, 113:1, 195:16, 197:4 EFTA00062944

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Continued - 112:18, 197:17 Contraband - 284:4 Conversation - 76: 5, 77:21, 117:14, 170:1, 200:15, 267:22, 267:23 Conversing - 180:1 9 Cool - 7:9, 29:16, 40:2, 122:25, 123:17, 293:12 Coordinator - 74:1 Cord - 239:13, 251:24 Corrected - 188:20 Correcting - 171:24 Correctional - 3:12, 72:22, 72:23, 73:1, 73:13, 73:14, 73:15, 73:25, 204:3, 204:4, 205:11, 205:13, 205:14, 275:18 Corrections - 71:19 , 152:25 Correctly - 109:16, 109:17 Correlated - 97:16 Corresponds - 195: 21 Corrupt - 284:16 Cos - 26:5, 104:21, 106:12, 190:4, 206:18 CO's - 25:16, 157:5, 203:12 Couldn't - 135:11, 136:13 Counted - 107:13 Counting - 165:9, 166:3, 166:22, 169:1, 233:9 Couple - 35:25, 52:10, 204:7, 283:13 Course - 194:17 Courtesy - 172:10 Courts - 72:17 Cover - 18:10 Create - 69:12, 71:9, 258:18 Created - 69:2, 174:19 Creates - 66:17, 66:21, 67:1, 71:7 Creating - 31:2 Credentials - 3:5 Credit - 282:21, 283:20, 283:23, 284:1, 284:13 Credits - 283:2, 283:3, 283:13 Crew - 60:3, 60:8, 60:21, 61:7 Criminal - 5:17, 9:1, 9:2 Crying - 278:3 Cuff - 41:25, 248:5 Current - 8:20, 13:13 Custody - 59:13, 72:9, 72:10, 73:7, 73:10, 73:11, 73:15, 73:21, 87:25, 88:3, 93:13, 273:13, 275:20 Cut - 104:3 a | Daily - 15:18, 20:14, 43:9, 43:13, 82:9, 103:8, 163:1, 187:3 Dan - 236:10 Danbury - 3:12, 3:13, 3:25, 4:1, 7:6, 12:2, 12:20, 13:10 Date - 3:10, 7:3, 8:13, 10:17, 15:18, 15:24, 18:13, 19:20, 25:19, 38:12, 54:15, 68:6, 86:8, 108:1, 120:19, 123:1, 156:11, 177:15 Dating - 40:18 61:19, 84:14, 84:16, 91:11, 225:15, 225:23, 225:24, 273:5, 274:11, 293:6 Days - 23:24, 24:4, 24:13, 35:25, 108:10, 154:16, 198:2, 242:15, 246:18, 246:19, 246:22, 277:4, 288:5 Dead - 15:14 Deal - 72:16, 89:12, 135:16, 174:7, 197:10, 265:11 Death - 4:13, 242:23, 269:1 Debt - 285:2 December - 11:18, 11:19, 11:23, 11:24, 13:11, 13:12, 279:6, 279:7 Decided - 162:10 Decision - 205:20 Definite - 221:24, 226:7, 230:2, 230:7 Definitely - 35:13, 175:5, 175:17, 192:5, 192:12, 192:23, 199:8, 221:10, 225:7, 230:13, 234:21, 243:22, 268:8, 281:18, 282:24 Definitively - 229:1 7 Degrees - 282:25 Demeanor - 259:25, 262:22 HE - 3:2, 4:3, 4:6, 6:24, 293:18 Department - 3:3, 3:8, 5:2, 59:22, 71:12 Depending - 89:17, 90:3, 149:17, 249:21, 250:9, 250:13, 251:11, 292:8 Depends - 23:10, 43:17, 60:1, 60:14, 60:15, 87:6, 87:7, 95:3, 106:6, 148:5, 190:25, 206:19, 207:11, 210:25, 250:22, 250:23, 265:1 Desk - 100:22, 100:23, 101:3, 199:21, 199:23 Desks - 101:7 Determine - 127:9, 164:9 Determining - 82:1 0 Dial - 153:3 Die - 270:7, 275:20 Died - 6:16, 18:16, 21:2, 268:20, 269:5, 270:16, 279:12 Dies - 49:6, 257:25 Difference - 14:1, 37:18, 139:2 Different - 8:9, 59:15, 97:7, 152:12, 155:8, 157:7, 163:3, 168:1, 190:16, 193:13, 211:24, 264:13 Dig - 193:4 Dint' - 170:12, 215:1, 222:14 Directly - 62:20, 62:24, 84:9, 84:10, 170:13, 170:18, 170:25, 206:25 Director - 227:3 Director's - 229:4 Discharge - 59:2, 72:14 Disciplinary - 5:14, §:18 Discipline - 191:11 Discrepancy - 290: 2 Discussed - 76:1, 179:9 Discussing - 75:4, 121:7 District - 229:23 Document - 15:22, 15:24, 15:25, 61:13, 70:25, 71:1, 112:16, 115:16, 120:17, 121:1, 121:6, 162:4, 162:11, 290:12, 290:14, 290:16, 291:10 Documented - 105: 3, 105:8, 149:22 Documents - 40:19, 126:19, 290:24 DOJ - 4:1, 4:6, 4:13, 4:18 Don' - 22:20 Door - 176:19 Double - 31:24, 190:6, 273:20 Downstairs - 148:1 4 Drinks - 287:12, 287:18 Dropped - 76:2, 173:12 Dude - 46:12, 138:10, 141:22, 170:3, 220:24, 257:25, 258:21 MN - 62:14, During - 8:4, 22:7, 22:8, 23:13, 55:12, 85:12, 103:21, 113:1, 224:6, 244:19, 245:9, 247:20, 252:13 Duties - 24:23, 85:13, 155:19, 237:10 Duty - 10:17, 12:16, 47:21, 47:22, 87:3, 155:8, 168:23, 179:22, 205:22 Dying - 269:22 es E1s - 151:19 Each - 15:24, 21:25, 22:4, 26:1, 40:19, 122:3, 244:5, 251:4 Earlier - 44:8, 119:3, 138:8, 288:18 Early - 17:17, 49:18, 60:16, 70:7, 70:8, 90:7, 171:5, 201:22, 260:15, 268:12, 286:2 Eastern - 229:22 Easy - 281:1 Eat - 287:14, 287:22 Eating - 288:5, 288:6 Eb - 246:19 Edit - 156:12 Education - 8:23 Eh - 150:1, 289:18 Eight - 113:7 Either/Or - 64:8, 93:20 Elevator - 259:3, 259:6 Elevators - 50:7 Emails - 43:18 Emergency - 216:2 4, 243:20 Employee - 5:4, 5:25, 237:4 Employees - 281:1 6, 281:18, 281:20 Employee's - 6:1 End - 107:4, 165:20, 214:13, 228:3 Ended - 224:7, 269:21 Enough - 19:13, 106:22, 146:24, 196:13, 267:8 Ensure - 275:19 Ensuring - 88:9, 102:24 Entail - 37:12, 37:19, 88:24, 89:5, 89:15, 189:8, 201:19, 237:10 Enter - 10:16, 216:3 Entered - 215:15, 216:2, 219:9 Entering - 215:16 Entire - 107:3, 107:4, 228:22, 256:3 Entries - 209:24, EFTA00062945

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210:3 Entry - 210:4, 210:6, 210:8, 210:9, 212:8, 212:11 Epstein's - 51:7, 90:8, 90:23, 91:24, 94:22, 95:19, 97:5, 99:4, 99:11, 214:4, 220:16, 221:6, 225:5, 239:3, 255:6, 269:1 Equals - 234:2, 234:3 Especially - 85:19, 134:23, 135:20, 251:10 Evening - 14:19, 93:5, 171:1, 171:2, 178:19, 178:23, 231:1, 233:12, 238:15, 260:12, 272:4, 273:4, 274:4, 291:22 Event - 177:25 Eventually - 233:11 Everybody's - 6:18, 247:4 Everyone - 4:4, 43:1, 44:2, 46:5, 67:16, 94:21, 104:25, 106:21, 160:24, 161:7, 164:20, 242:11, 269:3, 284:20 Everyone's - 245:1 3 Everything - 86:4, 87:11, 156:8, 170:2, 176:12, 191:16 Evidence - 5:17 Exactly - 7:16, 26:11, 42:14, 100:4, 126:4, 126:6, 137:11, 162:1 Exceed - 56:3 Excessive - 252:20 Exchange - 254:8 Excuse - 194:25 Executive - 205:8 Expected - 93:6 Experience - 114:1 6, 127:10, 175:20 Expert - 223:10, 226:2 Explain - 72:11, 123:3, 123:21, 123:23 Explanation - 90:6 Extended - 266:16 Extra - 248:9, 251:5, 251:10, 251:13, 251:14, 251:16, 253:5, 253:8, 265:7, 266:13 Extremely - 152:11, 279:8, 279:9 Eye - 254:10 Eyes - 265:7, 266:14 a Face - 255:11, 263:6 Facilities - 235:25, 236:1, 236:4, 236:6 Facility - 232:21, 232:22 Failure - 5:11, 5:12, 6:5, 6:14, 6:15, 7:18, 7:19 Fair - 19:13, 267:8 Fall - 116:5, 116:8, 161:7, 271:22 False - 174:19 Falsifying - 131:13, 176:12 Familiar - 31:11, 126:19, 198:8 Family - 242:23 Far - 14:10, 18:21, 32:8, 44:1, 55:14, 72:12, 80:19, 88:5, 89:25, 137:25, 147:10, 153:4, 178:7, 183:17, 188:17, 206:10, 280:10 Fault - 198:25, 199:3 FCI - 3:25, 4:1, 7:5, 12:2, 12:20, 13:10 Federal - 3:6, 3:12, 9:25, 10:6 Feed - 248:5, 286:22 Feeding - 188:9 Feel - 6:2, 94:1, 99:17 Feelings - 267:15 Feels - 130:7 Felt - 81:6 Few - 12:18, 164:23, 209:21, 258:6 Field - 3:4 Figured - 126:25 Figures - 284:15, 284:16 Fill - 28:3, 112:8, 113:2, 119:9, 156:9, 278:9, 280:15 Filled - 105:21, 109:15, 109:17, 112:7, 112:18, 218:3 Filling - 107:1, 107:12 Fills - 105:24 Find - 16:5, 31:5, 59:11, 177:22, 290:2 Finding - 147:18 Fine - 22:21, 46:2 Fingers - 173:10 Finish - 41:15 Finished - 286:6 Fish - 251:22, 252:2 Fishing - 252:15, 252:18 Five - 245:7, 245:8, 245:14, 245:24 Fix - 270:19, 270:22 Fixed - 174:4, 278:21, 279:11, 279:13 Floor - 257:22, 259:4 Follow - 41:13, 42:17, 85:5, 184:10, 198:6, 203:12, 231:5, 283:19 Followed - 95:11, 208:9 Following - 177:3 Food - 204:12, 205:22, 253:2, 286:13, 286:14, 286:19, 286:22, 287:3, 287:12 Forbid - 289:17 Forever - 186:3 Forget - 40:18 Forgot - 216:21 Form - 4:21, 7:7 Forward - 127:4, 177:21 Found - 15:13, 77:4, 77:6, 77:13, 268:18 Four - 12:13, 12:22, 14:19, 251:8, 251:9 Frame - 196:20 Free - 6:2 Frequently - 160:24 Friday - 15:14, 15:15, 19:23, 19:24, 20:8, 20:16, 20:17, 20:18, 24:9, 57:9, 61:17, 163:20, 225:12 Full - 118:14 Funny - 96:25 Furnish - 5:16 Future - 5:17 FYI - 205:25, 206:2 ee | Game - 277:7 Gap - 23:20 Gave - 20:23, 121:13, 121:17, 240:11, 240:17 General - 3:4, 3:9, 5:3, 5:8, 5:10, 27:16, 28:1, 43:8, 178:18, 183:23, 183:25, 255:23, 256:1, 256:6, 256:8, 256:18 Generic - 39:12, 67:16 Genuine - 23:18, 113:13, 114:10, 192:8 Gets - 68:4, 101:17, 129:10, 169:8, 169:16, 169:21, 196:6, 232:17, 265:18, 286:7 Getting - 39:25, 78:8, 165:4, 174:22, 189:5, 202:24, 203:9, 221:8, 263:13, 263:15, 283:20, 288:10, 292:14 Ghost - 132:25, 133:2, 134:19, 137:3 Given - 253:4 Gives - 39:8, 68:1, 249:22 Giving - 6:7, 20:14, 228:18, 292:17 GLYNCO - 11:2 GOD - 96:9, 289:16 Goes - 23:7, 63:15, 67:16, 89:4, 89:17, 116:13, 137:25, 163:20, 187:2, 188:21, 196:9, 198:22, 265:12, 276:24 Gone - 55:2, 84:2, 116:13, 220:16, 220:19, 225:5, 230:24, 268:8, 268:12, 271:24 Good - 27:1, 144:15, 146:7, 147:14, 150:16, 157215, 172:25, 236:22, 281:20, 284:12 Gotcha - 113:22, 113:24, 114:8, 114:20, 116:4, 123:2, 123:21, 130:5, 152:10, 192:8 Gotta - 201:21 Gotten - 109:19, 111:12, 291:3, 292:6 Government - 270: 23 Grab - 18:24 Grabbing - 156:7 Graduate - 9:8 Graduated - 10:23 — a — Group - 205:3, 205:5, 205:7 GS11 - 13:13 GS9 - 12:7 Guidance - 129:16, 189:11 Guy's - 63:25, 171:4, 172:12, 172:22, 184:14, 186:20, 203:9, 206:24, 212:19 a Hadn't - 130:23, 131: Half - 9:17 Hand - 8:2 Handing - 209:18 Hanging - 199:5 Happen - 112:2, 160:16, 277:20, 277:22, 277:24 Happening - 136:19 , 222:1, 290:20 Happens - 27:4, 34:25, 63:21, 185:25, 198:21, 222:2, 271:2 Hard - 223:14, 280:20 Harm - 33:9, 33:18, 33:19, 34:16, 44:17 Hasn't - 90:17 Hat - 88:7 Haven't - 30:13, 108:8, 164:21, 171:17, 192:16 Having - 40:22, 47:14, 54:13, 77:7, EFTA00062946

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77:11, 77:14 He' - 220:9 Heads - 172:9, 228:18 Hear - 33:7, 33:12, 92:10, 106:25, 107:6, 107:9, 107:19, 107:22, 108:18, 233:23, 235:18, 239:5, 241:19, 248:8 Heard - 33:11, 58:10, 92:1, 107:15, 108:4, 108:8, 108:17, 134:17, 235:16, 238:16, 238:20, 239:8, 242:5, 251:10 Hearing - 34:5 He'd - 260:15, 288:7 Hell - 130:17 He'll - 230:9, 287:16 Help - 18:7, 18:16, 60:2, 117:13, 123:3, 123:21, 126:17, 126:20, 130:6, 130:16, 135:19, 152:11, 155:22, 156:9, 270:23 Helpful - 234:21 Her - 16:19, 20:12, 74:23, 94:14, 94:16, 154:1, 154:8, 154:21, 185:4, 188:18, 194:16, 194:20, 194:22, 273:18, 273:23 Here's - 149:1, 149:2, 149:6, 244:16 Hide - 118:17 Hiding - 118:14 High - 34:1, 41:2, 41:3, 91:20, 173:9, 174:11, 174:13, 175:7, 187:5, 257:11, 270:18, 271:7 Higher - 14:5, 15:4, 135:6, 282:7, 282:9 Highest - 8:22, 14:7, 14:8, 14:20, 226:23 Himself - 33:18, 34:17, 98:3, 193:22, 269:6 Hire - 280:11 Hit - 29:15 Hold - 147:1, 152:3, 153:13, 235:5 Holding - 207:15 Home - 8:10 Honestly - 91:2, 111:10, 165:19 Hoping - 135:19 Hospital - 131:8 Hot - 98:14, 98:15, 98:16, 98:18, 98:22, 98:25, 99:5, 99:11, 99:18, 100:19, 101:6, 101:13, 101:18, 101:24, 102:13 Hour - 23:20 Hours - 36:11, 36:20, 113:7, 138:8, 218:24, 281:9, 281:10 House - 32:10, 226:7 Housed - 39:9, 46:13, 48:25, 63:24, 237:22 Housing - 61:16, 101:15, 152:5 However - 226:16 Huh - 45:10, 201:10, 254:19, 258:5 Hung - 269:6 Hunger - 32:11 Hungry - 288:8 a I'd - 7:25, 83:21 Idea - 116:11, 146:2, 255:5 Identify - 4:4 I'll - 8:8, 18:10, 27:6, 52:10, 52:13, 84:24, 86:7, 89:11, 89:12, 125:12, 155:21, 191:6, 204:6, 239:14, 261:9, 281:1, 285:3, 286:5 Immediately - 42:12 , 186:20 Important - 99:18, 275:22 Impossible - 129:12 Incidences - 53:16 Incident - 33:1, 106:7, 107:5, 107:7 Including - 245:16 Incorrect - 147:3, 256:4 Incriminate - 114:2 3, 115:4 Indefinite - 230:3 Indicate - 111:5, 112:16, 126:8, 131:12, 167:11, 187:10 Indicates - 151:9 Individual - 16:17, 143:16, 148:6 Individuals - 59:24, 70:21, 231:9 Informed - 75:19 Ing - 249:20 Initial - 15:24, 101:17, 120:12, 120:19, 123:1, 123:18, 168:6, 195:24 Initialing - 40:18, 118:7, 118:8, 120:10 Initially - 196:1, 201:4 Initials - 210:8 Inmate's - 184:9 Input - 214:10 Inside - 270:5, 278:13 Insight - 131:19 Inspector - 3:3, 3:9, 5:3, 5:8, 5:9 Instance - 16:17, 159:22, 181:16, 187:18, 244:16 Instances - 165:17 Instead - 142:3, 153:19 Institution - 3:12, 6:15, 11:10, 14:4, 25:1, 77:10, 231:2 Instructions - 38:17 , 42:20, 50:12, 50:14, 50:18, 50:23, 90:21, 238:5 Interacted - 41:20, 257:17, 262:4 Interacting - 262:6 Interaction - 36:4, 74:22 Interactions - 41:23 , 255:6, 255:7, 257:20 Internal - 68:3, 68:5, 68:7, 68:9, 68:22, 70:14, 106:3, 106:4, 106:5, 206:13, 290:25 Internals - 68:11, 68:13 Interpret - 193:13 Interpretation - 191 2 Interview -3:5, 3:11, 4:2, 4:17, 4:24, 5:13, 6:9, 7:25, 8:4, 31:5, 42:19, 293:14 Interviewed - 76:24, 119:3 Interviews - 4:21, 7:21 Intimidate - 255:12 Into - 6:14, 6:16, 46:6, 52:9, 92:3, 97:13, 131:19, 136:7, 140:21, 189:7, 190:19, 193:4, 209:1, 255:19, 256:11, 257:3, 257:13, 262:17, 270:13 Introduction - 284: 4 Investigation - 3:9, 4:13, 5:7, 5:8, 5:10, 6:13 Involved - 53:6, 58:20, 58:23, 58:25, 126:15, 144:22, 145:17, 160:11, 209:22, 238:23 Involvement - 18:1 8, 32:25, 53:21, 53:23, 58:13, 58:16 Isn't - 50:24, 68:25, 84:4, 84:6, 84:23, 89:1, 100:5, 113:21, 116:3, 130:5, 138:20, 149:13, 187:25, 192:1, 216:16, 216:17, 230:2 Issue - 278:7, 278:9, 289:24 Issues - 42:5 Item - 231:8 Items - 37:15 It'll - 54:18, 118:16, 228:9 Its - 121:4 Itself - 24:1 I've - 64:14, 66:10, 67:13, 67:14, 67:22, 120:20, 190:6, 232:3, 261:4, 283:10 Cs) = Jack - 244:6 Jail - 85:20, 102:10, 102:21 Jay - 9:4 Jeffrey - 4:14, 31:11 JFK - 9:15 Job - 5:11, 6:4, 6:15, 7:18, 86:22, 88:6, 94:3, 94:4, 202:23, 202:25, 207:3, 247:11, 258:15, 280:23, 281:24 John - 9:4 Joke - 96:25 Judgment - 272:16 Jul - 201:11 July - 3:10, 7:4, 31:15, 32:19, 34:17, 34:20, 38:11, 39:7, 40:10, 40:11, 42:13, 44:22, 186:5, 186:13, 196:12, 196:24, 200:18, 201:12, 293:17 June - 10:18 Justice - 3:3, 3:8, 5:2, 9:1, 9:2 a Keep - 101:8, 154:17, 248:14, 250:24, 254:10, 280:20 Keeping - 226:15 Keeps - 289:4 Kept - 141:10, 177:8, 226:6, 291:14 Key - 131:6, 131:7, 133:6, 149:16, 156:17, 156:23, 156:25, 161:5, 161:24, 162:3 Keying - 142:3, 157:22 Keys - 156:25 Kick - 274:17, 274:19 Kicked - 186:21 Kinds - 126:19 Knocking - 187:15, 187:16 Knowing - 21:21, 57:24, 185:4, 228:25 Knowledge - 14:1, 43:8, 44:7, 92:13, 94:2, 127:9, 167:19, 214:2, 226:24, 227:8 Known - 63:22, 82:18, 182:5, 182:7, 182:11, 183:17, 183:20, 184:4, EFTA00062947

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185:2, 185:11, 187:21, 194:13, 215:16, 215:19, 220:5, 278:20 Knows - 78:13, 94:21, 95:10, 172:13, 172:15, 182:18, 182:24, 220:9, 223:1 Lack - 118:13 Landlord - 284:24 Lane - 185:1, 185:17, 187:20, 188:12 Lapse - 51:16 Last - 4:5, 57:16, 112:7, 122:2, 122:3, 122:12, 122:13, 123:12, 125:17, 162:14, 232:1, 257:17, 258:12, 258:23, 259:22, 262:3, 262:16 Late - 141:7, 153:25 Later - 18:25, 38:11, 42:19, 82:3, 173:15, 214:20 Lawyer - 260:7 Lawyers - 259:24, 286:3, 287:17 Lay - 285:13 Laying - 260:6, 286:5 Lead - 161:3 Leading - 200:18 Learn - 43:9, 43:10 Learning - 114:16 Least - 17:7, 28:16, 78:14, 95:11, 112:13, 115:15, 127:18, 147:25, 165:17, 173:5, 184:12, 185:18, 194:12, 200:1, 214:3, 228:22, 245:8, 274:25, 292:17 Leave - 4:25, 11:21, 17:25, 18:4, 23:9, 131:3, 136:17, 139:7, 154:6, 184:20, 186:10, 201:20, 232:21, 279:5 Leaves - 131:3, 187:2, 196:13, 198:23, 220:8 Leaving - 66:14, 67:7, 67:9, 67:12, 102:20, 184:9, 210:20, 270:25, 291:3, 291:11 Legal - 49:10, 201:22, 204:11, 205:22, 239:21, 239:24, 240:8, 240:17, 241:1, 288:2, 288:18 Legit - 131:18 Legitimacy - 34:10 Less - 190:14 Lesser - 278:9 Let - 8:7, 42:9, 141:18, 142:10, 168:1, 176:21, 192:4, 241:1, 242:16, 250:23, 250:24, 253:24, 255:18 Letting - 117:11, 169:3, 228:14, 241:21, 241:23, 284:2 Level - 8:23, 229:4, 278:3 Levels - 226:24 Lieutenants’ - 88:6, 109:4 Lieutenant's - 83:1 3, 145:24, 148:21, 149:20, 150:19, 150:20, 207:3, 209:23, 210:13, 231:21 Life - 269:8, 269:11, 269:14, 269:17, 269:25, 275:12 Light - 168:18 Liked - 42:11 Likely - 84:19, 115:16, 212:3, 214:4, 215:17, 216:1, 220:1, 221:17, 221:24, 223:6 Linen - 252:20, 254:3, 254:5 Linens - 248:9, 251:14, 253:5, 253:8, 253:12, 254:13 Lines - 42:18 Listed - 54:14, 70:18, 80:25, 84:17, 99:5, 127:17, 146:9, 147:4, 171:7 Listen - 157:4, 21771, 240:23, 291:3 Little - 105:21, 109:19, 232:2, 258:9, 258:19, 271:10, 285:2, 288:8 Loan - 285:2 Located - 3:13, 26:7, 101:6 Location - 36:18, 282:15 Lock - 22:3 Locked - 195:24, 196:6, 248:6 Locking - 248:3 Logged - 248:24 Logs - 205:5 Long - 9:16, 9:24, 10:9, 194:18, 196:22, 218:17, 223:8, 256:7, 281:9, 281:10, 293:14 Longer - 36:20, 83:19, 109:19, 176:21 Looked - 16:1, 143:1, 144:10, 156:16, 180:21, 285:12 Looks - 117:12, 118:23, 133:16, 142:2, 142:5, 142:17, 149:16, 152:15, 153:10, 156:16, 163:6, 169:6, 171:12, 174:18, 213:21, 221:23, 222:7, 227:14, 253:24 Lose - 135:24, 176:15 Lost - 138:13, 141:5 Lot - 23:22, 23:23, 76:9, 119:3, 176:21, 176:22, 248:8, 260:4, 278:22, 281:8, 281:15, 283:20, 283:24 Lyeson - 4:2, 4:8, 120:3 Cm) Machine - 286:7, 286:9 Machines - 286:19 Magic - 125:13 Mainly - 105:19 Maintained - 70:25, 111:25, 114:15, 218:17 Makes - 35:8, 281:3 Man - 135:10, 135:11, 174:8, 180:23, 209:8, 270:14 Management - 73:2 5 Manager - 236:5, 236:6, 237:8 Managers - 204:12 Mandated - 278:22 Mandatory - 96:7, 98:9 Maneuver - 46:2 Manipulated - 152: 18 Manually - 162:11 Many - 45:14, 45:19, 46:18, 55:16, 164:22, 245:5, 250:17, 250:19, 251:5, 254:2 Marked - 232:17 Marshal - 134:11 Marshals - 146:22 Matches - 122:5 Mate - 33:8, 33:19, 44:10, 271:25 Matter - 6:16, 7:25, 76:24, 77:3, 77:5, 162:9 Matters - 198:20 Mattress - 37:14 May - 5:17, 18:18, 33:8, 61:22, 183:19, 192:23, 222:5, 225:17, 268:11 Maybe - 20:11, 60:23, 122:3, 161:24, 167:4, 181:16, 186:21, 194:4, 198:2 MCC's - 47:22 MDC - 282:8 Meaning - 229:20 Means - 115:20, 211:7, 229:12, 229:18, 230:7, 230:17, 231:14, 232:20, 282:6 Medical - 133:5, 136:16, 136:21, 136:22, 205:21, 249:22 Medication - 249:8, 249:11, 249:13, 249:17, 249:22 Medicines - 249:25 Meh - 245:1 Member - 225:14, 275:2 Memo - 61:14, 169:6, 169:11, 221:16, 225:12, 266:13, 277:10, 293:8 Memory - 18:7, 18:17, 61:25 Memos - 280:2 Mentioned - 41:19, 150:8, 152:24, 262:25, 285:7, 290:12 Mess - 134:21, 179:6 Messed - 138:24 Method - 239:18 Might - 22:10, 102:20, 192:4, 192:11, 204:8, 224:13, 242:14, 255:12 Zz Military - 9:22 Mind - 7:3, 40:18, 118:6, 118:8, 183:9, 186:16, 226:15, 232:1, 262:22 Mine - 88:3 Minus - 167:9 Minute - 105:9, 105:10, 192:5, 199:7, 276:8 Minutes - 56:1, 56:2, 56:3, 96:8, 177211, 192:13 Miss - 166:22, 252:9 Missed - 165:25, 175:13, 193:17 Missing - 165:22 Mix - 97:25 Mixed - 120:2 MMC - 75:15 Molestation - 267:1 3 Moment - 113:22, 130:5 Moments - 113:24, 123:2 Monday - 24:9, 57:9, 293:16 Money - 282:5 Monitor - 241:11, 241:14, 254:6, 271:8 Monitored - 240:18, 242:25, 243:3, 243:4, 243:6, 243:8, EFTA00062948

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243:11, 267:1 Monitoring - 253:21 , 253:25 Month - 31:2, 196:9, 277.1 Months - 12:13, 12:18, 12:22, 13:1, 13:3 Most - 41:2, 41:3, 43:14, 89:10, 114:14, 285:18 Move - 29:14, 49:21, 119:25, 123:1, 143:25, 156:20, 156:21, 157:3, 157:6, 157:17, 158:15, 160:18, 160:20, 235:4, 261:8, 274:9, 275:5 Movement - 72:17, 129:2, 131:6, 150:14, 159:25, 218:13, 218:15, 218:25, 279:24, 280:2 Movements - 60:11, 90:9 Moving - 142:20, 149:8, 160:9, 160:19, 228:24 Much - 14:3, 37:15, 42:7, 48:21, 49:13, 88:22, 101:14, 153:2, 187:4, 246:17, 250:15, 254:3, 278:8 Must - 96:7, 154:19, 157:13, 203:13 Myself - 114:23 CN) Nah - 10:21, 14:12, 19:10, 34:12, 96:10, 162:25, 192:20, 249:7, 249:9, 251:15, 267:25, 269:12 Naked - 37:24, 37:25, 38:1 Named - 201:6 Names - 39:16, 209:11 Necessarily - 6:11, 160:12, 174:1, 211:5, 275:25 Neck - 33:5 Needed - 27:10, 40:3, 40:5, 42:22, 82:11, 159:5, 159:7, 181:10, 185:3, 188:3, 188:5, 193:23, 199:6, 199:9, 267:20 Needing - 61:23, 197:1, 222:6, 225:18, 238:11 Needs - 39:9, 44:9, 97:14, 99:9, 159:13, 159:14, 159:25, 174:3, 181:3, 187:10, 191:14, 194:19, 223:1, 229:2, 266:13, 278:20 Neither - 117:15 Nervous - 173:6, 255:11 Never - 47:12, 52:4, 67:13, 67:22, 67:24, 75:17, 77:9, 96:11, 108:4, 136:12, 163:16, 170:1, 170:3, 184:1, 221:20, 232:23, 242:4, 277:9 New - 3:4, 9:5, 11:9, 17:2, 18:5, 47:4, 77:22, 88:10, 91:4, 91:7, 91:9, 91:14, 92:15, 92:24, 176:16, 214:5, 221:8, 221:17, 290:6 News - 117:9, 178:1 Next - 62:13, 64:21, 80:24, 125:18, 140:5, 163:14, 184:25, 217:23, 232:2, 244:4, 257:25, 268:15, 274:9, 292:5 Nine - 73:4 Nobody - 24:6, 29:22, 94:20, 94:23, 139:20, 139:24, 163:10, 270:25 Nobody's - 95:19, 198:24, 199:3 Noel - 54:20, 84:14, 84:15, 91:11, 107:16, 168:13, 273:12, 273:16, 274:12 Non - 60:5, 72:10, 73:10, 73:21, 87:25, 88:2, 88:3, 93:13, 243:18, 244:1 None - 54:21, 17:17 Normal - 97:23, 155:19, 175:2, 175:4, 175:11, 175:12, 176:8, 285:15, 285:18 Normally - 19:25, 23:10, 57:6, 57:21, 62:16, 79:20, 101:2, 154:20, 181:16, 211:10, 211:13, 232:17 North - 196:7, 255:22 Note - 62:10, 96:7, 122:1, 152:11, 229:16, 230:12, 284:1 Notes - 230:24 Notice - 44:1, 95:22, 100:25, 271:1, 272:4, 272:5, 272:21, 292:18 Noticed - 96:11 Notification - 62:10, 79:1, 79:20, 82:12, 82:13, 83:17, 91:15, 91:18, 91:22, 186:24, 214:3, 223:17, 231:20, 276:21, 290:21 Notifications - 63:2 2, 82:10, 82:24, 83:1, 83:3, 161:15, 183:10, 220:2, 220:15, 223:7, 223:13, 224:1, 224:18, 271:3 Notifies - 95:14 Notify - 84:7, 93:6, 158:15, 159:15, 161:13, 220:19, 234:16, 235:1 Notifying - 171:20 November - 13:2 Npos - 32:12 Number - 8:17, 8:20, 39:8, 87:8, 96:8, 122:1, 122:4, 125:3, 157:25, 159:3, 162:13, 164:15, 165:4, 166:22, 167:11, 182:22, 194:7, 223:9 Numbers - 121:19, 122:17, 128:16, 131:13, 146:16, 161:15, 164:5, 166:11, 166:14, 166:23, 233:21 Lo) Oath - 8:1, 118:12 Observation - 35:6, 35:11, 36:12, 37:19, 39:5, 39:9, 204:11 Obviously - 74:25, 75:11, 227:5 Occurrence - 103:8 Occurring - 278:13 October - 13:2 OD - 249:20 Odd - 182:22, 194:7 Office - 3:3, 3:4, 3:9, 5:2, 5:7, 11:7 Officer's - 100:23, 241:25 Official - 3:8, 4:13 Often - 197:18, 267:18 OIC - 46:1, 61:6, 78:23, 79:1, 87:10, 87:13, 87:18, 273:11 OIG - 4:1, 4:6, 4:13, 4:18 Once - 63:20, 91:1, 159:12, 186:10, 197:17, 209:2, 288:23, 289:3 Oncoming - 61:19, 224:20, 225:14 Ones - 14:6, 70:21, 110:5, 198:10, 266:2 Ongoing - 214:22 Onto - 235:5 Open - 79:18, 127:13, 269:21 Operating - 160:15 Operation - 208:1 Operations - 43:10, 43:13, 187:3 Opinion - 209:6, 223:10, 270:20, 270:24 Opportunity - 198:2 4, 275:12, 275:13, 282:10, 282:18, 283:15 Opposed - 73:14 Option - 226:2 Order - 23:9, 34:6, 87:12 Orderly - 24:25 Orders - 193:3 Original - 23:7 Otherwise - 161:6, 201:13, 230:1 Our - 4:16, 4:21, 4:25, 7:20, 56:13, 59:22, 86:16, 89:3, 114:16, 119:2, 137:1, 188:25, 214:8, 230:13, 275:20, 291:24 Outcount - 232:9, 232:16, 232:18, 232:24, 233:11, 233:12, 233:13, 279:22 Outcounts - 233:22 Outside - 3:25, 35:1, 35:10, 73:7, 74:3, 111:15, 111:21, 187:5 Outsider's - 281:14 Over - 18:6, 35:5, 48:19, 66:24, 73:17, 73:20, 81:16, 137:15, 207:8, 232:10, 251:24, 260:23, 279:8, 286:4 Overnight - 163:21 Oversee - 52:24 Overseeing - 47:23, 246:10 Oversight - 48:12, 48:19, 73:17, 73:20, 207:6, 207:8 Overtime - 16:7, 19:23, 20:17, 88:4, 154:20, 155:6, 155:7, 273:5 Own - 14:1, 56:10, 93:2, 203:13, 250:3, 269:14, 269:17, 286:18 a Packing - 67:8 Page - 52:11, 52:12, 121:20, 122:2, 122:3, 122:13, 125:14, 125:17 Pages - 204:8, 209:21 Paid - 284:4 Paper - 220:8 Papers - 120:1, 173:18 Paperwork - 290:23 Part - 3:7, 5:6, 50:4, 50:5, 88:17, 89:10, 98:24, 129:1, 191:6, 279:22 Particular - 183:12 Pass - 61:16, 62:17, 62:25, 79:3, 79:6, 223:15 Passed - 61:19, 79:7, 225:2, 225:14, 226:5, 257:10 EFTA00062949

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Passing - 225:1, 228:15 Past - 31:2, 84:8, 98:17, 241:19 Patrol - 53:2 Pattern - 21:16, 21:17 Pay - 280:22, 282:7, 282:9, 285:1 Per - 96:9, 245:10, 245:12, 245:13, 245:24 Performance - 5:11, 6:4, 6:15, 7:18 Period - 218:17 Personally - 76:8 Person's - 87:3, 290:8 Perspective - 281:1 5 Pertain - 168:12 Pertains - 5:11 Pfft - 65:10, 135:9 Phone - 8:20, 201:23, 238:21, 238:24, 239:2, 239:4, 239:15, 240:7, 241:11, 241:22, 242:12, 242:13, 242:17, 242:21 Phonetic - 68:14, 133:16 Physically - 13:10, 53:4, 137:9, 153:5, 164:16 Picked - 12:17, 12:25 Piece - 130:15 Piling - 40:20 Pill - 250:3 Pillows - 249:5 Pills - 249:4, 249:6, 249:8 Place - 7:3, 7:5, 8:1, 19:8, 92:25, 120:17, 176:13, 178:3, 195:2, 239:2, 241:19, 257:15, 264:19, 280:20, 282:13 Placing - 53:15, 82:23, 208:3 Planning - 263:12 Play - 92:3, 277:7 Pleasant - 42:4 Please - 4:4, 8:2, 8:7, 41:17, 96:20, 232:5, 259:19 Ploy - 33:14 Pointing - 82:15, 183:11 Polices - 191:23 Policies - 191:25 Policy - 109:7, 157:12, 157:14, 188:25, 189:25, 190:1, 191:7, 192:15, 198:5, 198:8, 242:7, 244:8 Population - 255:24 , 256:1, 256:6, 256:8, 256:18 Position - 13:13, 13:16, 72:3, 73:6, 207:15, 207:17, 209:10, 209:11, 237:7 Positions - 135:6, 183:24 Possibility - 154:4, 224:15, 233:10 Possible - 195:8, 223:5 Possibly - 61:22, 79:13, 82:21, 95:6, 129:12, 129:21, 146:20, 171:13, 221:16, 221:19, 221:22, 222:5, 223:16, 225:17, 228:16, 230:7, 230:20, 262:3 Post - 94:11, 179:18, 193:3, 273:19 Potential - 284:3 Potentially - 153:25 , 156:15 PP38 - 279:19 Practice - 158:18, 241:19, 288:22 Pre - 92:9, 210:16, 210:18, 212:1, 212:2, 213:1, 213:5, 221:11, 221:13, 224:9, 228:9, 229:11, 229:13, 229:15, 230:8, 231:2, 231:12, 231:14 Premature - 226:8, 226:10, 227:10 Presence - 53:5, 89:16 Present - 4:1, 10:15, 61:20, 152:2, 164:16, 218:4, 225:15, 226:1 Pressure - 5:23 Pretrial - 211:2, 211:14 Pretty - 14:3, 37:15, 42:7, 43:7, 48:21, 49:12, 65:1, 88:22, 101:14, 102:11, 102:18, 153:2, 173:6, 217:14, 246:17 Prevented - 269:22 Previous - 156:11, 226:21 Previously - 253:19 Primarily - 19:21, 147:16, 204:6 Primary - 25:16, 278:7 Printed - 127:12, 146:16, 146:17, 162:14, 162:21 Printing - 6:23 Prior - 9:11, 29:24, 32:2, 81:24, 85:14, 107:21, 148:8, 148:9, 154:16, 180:15, 226:10, 236:25 Prison - 85:20, 102:10, 102:21, 267:9, 267:16 Prisons - 3:6, 9:25 Privilege - 285:24, 286:1 Privileges - 253:4 Problem - 241:15, 249:19, 280:14, 280:17, 284:3, 284:8 Problems - 270:5, 270:8, 277:18, 278:13 Procedure - 160:15 Proceedings - 5:18 Process - 50:4, 63:19, 114:21, 115:6, 146:24 Profile - 34:1, 41:2, 41:3, 91:20, 119:8, 173:10, 174:11, 174:13, 175:7, 187:5, 257:11, 270:18, 271:7 Promise - 113:20, 152:10, 216:16 Promises - 5:22 Promoted - 12:21, 17:7 Promotion - 12:5, 12:17, 13:5 Pronounce - 226:16 Proof - 212:1 Properly - 106:13 Property - 4:1 Provide - 4:16, 5:4, 5:6, 50:12, 203:3, 206:15, 206:17, 238:4, 239:24 Provided - 6:18, 67:20, 67:22, 67:25, 68:8, 68:10, 68:21, 69:1, 69:4, 69:6, 70:22, 90:21, 167:12, 203:15, 203:16, 203:18, 240:6 Provides - 254:12 Providing - 6:8, 118:14 Psych - 35:5, 35:8, 35:11, 35:24, 36:12, 36:14, 36:16, 37:10, 37:19, 39:5, 39:9, 42:10, 101:16, 196:8, 204:10, 263:19, 265:20 Psycho - 205:9 Psychology - 186:8 , 191:12, 191:13, 191:25, 192:5, 192:10, 196:15, 196:17, 197:6, 197:7, 197:9, 197:10, 197:12, 205:9, 271:17, 271:21 Psychology's - 198 10 Pull - 239:17, 289:18 Pulled - 141:9 Purpose - 7:20, 101:12, 104:20, 119:2, 176:25, 202:22, 239:11 Purposes - 17:19, 99:20 Pursuant - 5:9 Purview - 74:3 Putting - 137:1, 221:7, 232:1, 279:17 Puzzle - 126:20, 130:15 La) Quarter - 155:3, 155:5, 156:2 Quarterly - 179:18, 273:18 Question - 23:8, 57:17, 100:8, 123:19, 131:21, 212:16, 221:4, 228:20, 232:3, 257:6, 259:18, 270:11 Questionable - 275: 5 Questioning - 42:1 8 Quick - 232:4 Quite - 23:24, 160:23, 247:23, 248:19 ee R&A - 159:14, 159:23 R&D's - 83:23, 261:7 RA - 137:12, 137:19, 137:20, 138:11, 138:15, 138:17, 138:25, 139:3, 139:4, 139:5, 139:11, 140:21, 141:3, 141:5, 141:7, 142:4, 143:3, 153:1 RA1 - 138:5 Radar - 291:18 Raise - 8:2, 90:10 Raised - 90:13 Rank - 14:5, 207:10 Rather - 203:13, 203:17 Ray - 141:11 RCS - 117:20 Reach - 239:13 Read - 5:1, 6:1, 39:18, 194:3 Reads - 169:7 Ready - 261:7, 292:7, 292:15, 292:20 Real - 137:4, 139:4, 232:3 Realize - 216:15 Really - 53:19, 58:24, 124:25, 143:13, 173:7, 177:5, 178:3, 179:24, 188:25, 191:6, 254:17, 255:8, 275:24, 276:9, 281:23, 293:14 Reasons - 143:11, 169:9, 243:16 Reassure - 130:4 Rec - 32:10 Receive - 38:17, 59:2, 75:7 EFTA00062950

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Received - 44:14, 120:16 Receiving - 39:1, 39:11, 42:20, 72:13, 196:25, 202:14, 206:11 Recently - 173:19 Recollect - 155:22 Recollection - 85:1 8, 114:1, 117:13, 179:11 Reconcile - 195:6 Record - 4:5, 5:1, 15:25 Recorded - 4:3, 239:21, 239:25, 243:12, 243:18, 244:1, 244:2 Recorder - 3:1, 293:19 Records - 18:25, 20:12, 21:23, 23:25, 156:6, 156:7 Recruit - 281:22 Refer - 230:17, 230:19 Referring - 47:21 Refresh - 18:7, 18:17, 61:25 Refreshed - 218:18, 218:19 Reg - 39:8 Regard - 7:24, 38:18, 42:21, 48:24, 54:16, 201:25, 210:12, 237:18, 238:6 Regarding - 40:23, 77:3, 238:9, 267:15 Regards - 49:7, 50:13 Regional - 227:3, 229:3 Regular - 16:20, 32:15, 40:6, 56:3, 102:11, 102:19, 158:17, 200:16, 201:24, 221:1, 229:1, 239:4, 266:8, 270:2 Reiteration - 280:7 Rekeyed - 159:25 Release - 139:10 Released - 52:4, 63:17, 63:20, 77:18, 85:21, 203:9 Relief - 293:5, 293:6 Relieve - 17:17, 14:21, 217:1, 217:21 Relieved - 17:25, 18:11, 18:21, 23:4, 23:8, 29:18, 29:20, 29:21, 74:17, 153:14, 153:16, 153:25, 154:8 Relieving - 23:1 Remembered - 30:1 5 Reminder - 203:8 Removal - 224:9 Remove - 210:16, 210:18, 211:2, 212:1, 212:2, 213:2, 213:5, 221:11, 221:14, 228:9 Renting - 284:23 Repeats - 233:22 Rephrase - 8:9 Replace - 16:1 Replaced - 29:17, 30:9, 185:2 Report - 106:14, 147:17, 257:7 Reported - 256:16 Reporting - 165:3 Reprint - 15:19 Requested - 5:4 Requirement - 47:1 8, 51:7, 282:20 Requirements - 44: 13, 44:16 Requires - 82:16 Responding - 32:22 Response - 221:18 Responsibilities - 2 4:24, 237:11 Responsibility - 25: 16, 47:23, 83:14, 83:15, 83:23, 88:18, 109:4, 158:12, 179:22, 179:24, 246:9, 246:16, 247:5, 254:21, 275:19, 289:11 Rest - 125:15 Result - 34:20 Retrieve - 59:24 Return - 61:22, 222:5, 225:17 Reviewed - 103:5 Reviewing - 204:14, 216:16 Revised - 164:5 Revolving - 176:19 Ring - 39:24 Risky - 267:5, 267:6 Role - 86:23, 88:8, 88:12, 88:15, 155:21, 178:4, 237:9 Room - 46:13, 141:1, 259:6, 285:8, 285:16 Roster - 15:18, 20:14, 47:21, 59:13, 59:16, 59:18, 60:7, 62:6, 62:15, 64:9, 64:11, 64:14, 82:9 Rotating - 282:13 Rules - 283:19 Rumor - 33:21, 33:24, 34:10 Rumors - 33:8 Run - 14:4, 27:10 Running - 25:1 Cs] a Safety - 256:23 Sanitation - 68:24 Saturday - 20:9, 20:13, 20:18, 20:20, 20:21, 20:23, 153:1, 268:17, 268:19, 268:20, 268:22 Saw - 35:15, 58:11, 96:14, 117:9, 121:5, 153:7, 173:18, 258:23, 259:22, 275:13, 285:7 Scan - 141:9 Score - 284:25 Screener - 9:15 Screwed - 142:20, 163:15 Search - 244:10, 244:17, 244:18, 244:20, 244:24, 245:3, 252:4, 252:11, 252:14 Searched - 246:19, 246:22, 252:19 Searches - 244:8, 244:9, 244:12, 245:20, 246:11, 248:13, 248:18, 252:14 Searching - 248:1 Season - 250:9 Second - 122:3, 122:13, 182:23 Secondary - 278:8 Security - 5:12, 6:5, 6:14, 7:18, 8:16 Seeing - 35:14, 98:2, 98:21, 134:23, 136:25, 152:12, 153:9, 171:14 Seem - 65:1, 113:16, 144:7, 144:8, 146:5 Seemed - 142:19, 173:6 Seems - 146:7, 147:9, 147:10, 147:14, 147:23, 147:24, 151:3, 165:25, 167:11, 175:16, 176:8, 195:9, 223:9, 288:7 Seen - 46:11, 64:14, 67:13, 67:14, 67:22, 67:24, 120:20, 120:24, 124:19, 134:15, 180:13, 192:16, 242:4, 284:12 Select - 164:23 Self - 72:18, 90:8, 249:24 Send - 42:25, 43:19, 62:6, 67:4, 67:10, 68:2, 202:19, 203:21, 205:3, 205:5, 206:9, 236:15 Sending - 197:18, 204:18, 204:24 Senior - 4:6, 293:17 Sense - 151:12, 193:25 Sent - 77:17, 111:15, 183:5, 185:21, 198:14, 202:18, 276:21, 276:25 Sentry - 218:10, 218:11, 219:8, 219:10, 219:11, 219:13, 219:16 Separate - 137:20 September - 10:24, 13:2, 13:6, 13:20 Served - 9:25, 10:9 Service - 9:22, 10:20, 204:12, 205:22 Services - 204:4 Set - 85:24, 140:5, 186:7, 186:19, 266:14 Setup - 216:17 Seven - 124:15 Severely - 278:25 Shared - 164:21 Sheet - 59:10, 62:6, 109:21, 109:23, 111:14, 111:24, 115:7, 176:23, 17721, 189:15, 189:17, 289:4, 289:6, 292:3 Sheets - 107:2, 109:5, 111:21, 115:7, 177:8, 250:10, 250:12, 250:17 She's - 18:6, 94:15, 181:19, 181:20, 181:21, 182:4, 188:20, 188:22, 194:3 Shifts - 24:11, 29:4 Shirt - 250:8 Shot - 285:3 Shouldn't - 94:24, 95:10, 142:22, 226:5, 229:1, 231:8 Showed - 99:19, 120:13, 128:6, 165:2, 168:7, 266:12 Shower - 36:1, 42:1, 239:6, 239:9, 239:10, 239:14, 240:7, 243:25 Showers - 35:21, 41:21, 248:5 Showing - 96:6, 109:20, 117:11, 164:23, 235:20 Shows - 39:17, 122:5, 145:12, 223:16 Side - 123:19 Sign - 6:3, 96:4, 98:5, 99:19, 99:21, 99:23, 108:25, 110:9, 111:16, 111:24, 112:18, 112:25, 199:5, 199:17, 199:19 Signature - 5:25, 110:11, 110:14, 117:24 Signed - 110:6, 110:18, 111:1, 111:8, 111:20, 112:4, 112:6, 112:9, 112:17, 113:10, 114:4, 115:7, 115:11, 115:16 Signing - 7:1, EFTA00062951

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109:4, 110:2, 177:1 Signs - 98:11, 112:20, 174:22, 199:9 Simply - 121:6, 156:8, 177:21 Since - 51:15, 53:17, 55:1, 93:25, 155:18, 180:13, 200:3, 227:25, 279:11 Singed - 6:22 Single - 6:8, 45:14, 45:19, 46:2, 46:18, 47:5, 97:8, 103:3, 103:6, 103:15, 104:4, 265:13, 265:15, 266:2, 280:2, 280:5 SIPE - 3:15, 3:16, 3:23 Sir - 4:12, 4:20, 7:6, 8:6, 40:21, 121:9 SIS - 17:6 Sit - 240:22 Situation - 271:9, 275:1, 276:10, 276:12 Situations - 293:10 Six - 9:17, 284:15 Sleep - 260:4, 285:16, 285:17 Sleeping - 285:11, 285:13 Slide - 284:2 Slips - 105:21, 107:1, 107:12, 119:19, 122:10, 147:24, 166:25, 174:19, 176:11 Small - 134:4 Smock - 37:13, 38:3 Snack - 287:12 Snacks - 286:11 Social - 8:16 Sodas - 287:17 Solution - 281:21 Somebody's - 133: 19, 272:25 Someone's - 86:22 Sometime - 261:23 Sometimes - 46:9, 66:19, 182:21, 207:9, 211:23, 260:5, 261:4, 285:10 Soon - 197:23, 287:23 Sorry - 10:11, 15:11, 67:18, 85:25, 96:18, 96:19, 112:19, 147:13, 157:18, 161:25, 182:2, 232:12 SOS - 61:18, 61:20, 94:1, 182:4 Sound - 38:10, 38:12, 147:18, 148:10, 270:10 Sounds - 166:6, 169:24, 171:23, 173:5, 179:18, 185:18, 225:23, 253:24, 281:14 South - 133:11, 133:12, 133:13, 134:13, 142:11, 142:23, 143:2, 244:17, 264:21, 264:23, 265:7, 265:9, 265:18, 265:19, 266:10, 267:6 Sp - 68:14, 133:16 Space - 46:3, 47:4, 149:15 Spark - 117:13 Sparks - 258:9 Speak - 45:25, 54:25, 170:12, 236:2, 236:22, 259:11, 259:13, 267:18, 268:25 Speaking - 25:5, 61:2, 177:16, 179:12, 179:14, 192:25, 262:8 Special - 4:2, 4:6, 4:8, 6:22, 6:25, 7:2, 44:16, 50:12, 50:14, 50:18, 50:23, 61:16, 130:12, 152:4, 238:5, 253:4, 293:17 Specific - 16:16, 22:6, 22:9, 27:13, 27:14, 42:20, 50:23, 64:11, 87:3, 193:9, 200:13, 200:15, 203:15, 206:10, 237:25, 267:15 Specifically - 18:13, 21:12, 22:18, 25:18, 26:12, 27:17, 51:2, 54:6, 54:15, 63:12, 63:24, 97:20, 116:12, 162:12, 214:20, 215:5, 255:15, 270:6 Specified - 196:19 Spell - 4:5, 191:8 SPI - 3:21 Spite - 156:12 Spoke - 169:20, 206:13, 256:24, 256:25, 258:21, 259:9, 262:10, 262:11, 263:20 SSA - 4:3 Staffed - 280:20 Stand - 3:18, 62:11 Standard - 160:15 Standing - 50:6 Standpoint - 242:1 Stands - 119:22 Star - 163:13, 232:2 Start - 4:5, 16:19, 17:10, 21:21, 40:20, 52:13, 60:16, 80:20, 80:21, 81:7, 82:25, 104:3, 107:2, 127:5, 163:7, 214:5, 220:16, 221:7, 226:14 Started - 150:9, 184:11, 220:2, 220:15, 221:4, 223:6, 223:13, 228:24, 279:17, 279:18, 279:19, 280:2, 280:6 Starting - 7:25, 121:12, 163:10, 290:10 State - 262:22 Stated - 5:20 Statement - 5:16, 5:21, 6:8, 165:7 States - 5:2, 192:15 Status - 139:6 Stay - 12:18, 12:22, 17:21, 43:24, 52:11, 143:9, 243:3 Stayed - 30:10, 143:3 Stays - 163:21 Stepped - 262:17 Steps - 198:7 Stop - 4:24 Stopped - 16:24, 150:9 Story - 58:12 Straight - 86:4, 172:8 Strike - 32:11 Student - 285:2 Subject - 39:6, 61:15 Substance - 267:22 Substantive - 267:2 3 Such - 42:9, 45:14, 45:15, 83:25, 87:7, 92:23, 104:4, 104:5, 119:9, 177:24, 177:25, 181:5, 181:6, 221:14 Suggests - 164:20 Suicidal - 42:9, 98:17, 277:1, 277:6 Suicides - 174:8 Sunday - 268:23 Super - 70:8 Supervise - 207:18 Supervises - 207:1 9 Supervising - 207:1 Supervisor - 24:16, 71:24, 72:3, 72:24, 73:1, 73:23, 177:1, 207:23, 236:16, 236:17, 237:12 Supervisors - 47:22 Suppose - 248:15 Surprising - 248:8, 248:11 Surrenders - 72:18 Surrounding - 4:14, 6:17 Suspicion - 90:10, 90:12, 258:9 Swear - 8:3 System - 71:4, 71:10, 73:8, 136:3, 136:6, 159:16 Systematic - 270:5, 270:8 Systems - 72:22, 72:23, 73:2, 204:4 Table - 260:6, 285:13 Taken - 5:15, 39:8, 90:22, 91:1, 93:1, 148:14, 155:20, 208:22, 209:4, 209:12, 211:14, 211:15, 211:16, 211:18, 211:25, 212:4, 229:12 Takes - 18:5, 228:22, 282:1 Taking - 129:4, 136:16, 157:15, 176:21, 239:14, 241:19, 269:8, 269:11, 269:17 Tale - 27:14 Talked - 77:9, 143:16, 164:3, 180:4, 194:6, 195:9, 237:23, 258:1, 258:13, 282:24, 283:7, 283:10 Target - 204:15, 206:3 TDY - 12:9, 12:12 Team - 25:6, 204:13, 237:13, 237214 Tech - 236:19, 236:20 Technically - 87:20, 139:11 Telephone - 93:15, 238:14, 239:3, 239:9 Telling - 7:19, 78:25, 128:16, 160:18, 241:16 Tells - 28:7, 135:7, 193:19, 211:21 Temp - 11:18 Temporarily - 17:7 Temporary - 12:16, 35:4, 94:11 Ten - 175:9, 196:6, 198:2, 234:1 Than - 15:4, 36:20, 97:7, 97:21, 99:18, 115:16, 165:13, 167:25, 168:2, 176:21, 203:13, 203:17, 218:3, 245:3, 248:19, 251:4, 267:24, 276:14, 288:8 Thank - 4:12, 4:20, 7:6, 8:6, 8:19, 40:21, 121:9, 292:1 Themselves - 4:4, 157:6, 251:22 Theorists - 176:3 Therefore - 65:15 They'll - 83:9, 159:20, 263:19 They've - 85:14, 86:24, 127:2, 233:11, 246:18 Thinking - 20:15, 20:16, 20:19, 49:3, 138:10, 154:22, 162:2, 166:9, EFTA00062952

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183:22, 191:22, 194:19, 214:5, 221:7 Third - 183:3, 259:4 Thomas - 54:20, 107:16, 168:13, 291:5, 291:6, 292:2 Thought - 36:9, 36:10, 81:6, 146:23, 171:16, 176:21, 182:14, 182:15, 204:6, 213:18, 226:13, 272:8, 291:17 Threats - 5:22 Threw - 127:25 Through - 24:9, 57:9, 119:25, 141:11, 176:22, 192:18, 256:5 Throughout - 104:6 , 143:3 Throw - 251:24, 272:7, 274:10, 274:21 Throwing - 134:14, 183:14 Tier - 100:15, 190:21, 264:21, 264:22, 265:6, 265:10, 265:12, 266:9, 267:6 Tiers - 25:6, 25:8, 25:11, 25:24, 26:17, 29:15, 188:23, 189:14, 189:23 Tighter - 280:9 Timeframe ~- 195:13 , 276:22, 277:6 Times - 16:16, 96:14, 177:10, 258:6, 266:19, 266:20 Titles - 72:21 Today - 120:23, 120:25, 121:6, 231:3, 252:12 Today's - 3:10 Together - 87:5, 91:3, 126:20, 130:15, 257:14 Ton - 31:5 Too - 105:16, 118:8, 125:15, 131:23, 134:11, 172:16, 178:24, 195:6, 205:18, 250:9, 271:12, 275:5, 286:8 Took - 36:1, 41:21, 137:7, 140:19, 142:2, 144:5, 144:18, 145:9, 145:10, 145:11, 155:20, 224:21, 227:5, 239:2, 269:14 Top - 125:9, 138:22, 247:21, 274:20, 284:25 Totally - 173:14, 174:9 Touch - 217:3 Tough - 187:1, 209:9, 280:23, 280:24, 281:4 Tova - 54:20, 273:16 Tow - 250:11 Towel - 250:9 Track - 289:4, 291:14 Traditional - 60:6 Traffic - 17:19 Trafficking - 267:12 Training - 3:14, 3:22, 3:24, 7:6, 10:23, 43:10, 94:8, 94:10, 106:20, 106:22, 181:20, 182:4 Transfer - 152:4 Transferred - 52:3, 153:13 Transfers - 72:17 Transpired - 33:3 Tray - 286:24, 287:23, 288:10, 288:17 Trial - 210:18 Trick - 113:13, 125:13 Tried - 33:8, 33:19, 200:25 Truscope - 105:9, 105:13, 247:16, 247:17 Trust - 174:6 Truth - 8:3, 8:4, 190:9 Truthful - 118:12 Try - 8:8, 18:25, 21:13, 33:17, 34:16, 43:20, 89:18, 89:19, 155:22, 173:22, 178:3, 207:25, 266:12 TSA - 9:12, 9:14, 10:5, 10:6 Turning - 293:18 TV - 255:11 Twelve - 10:12, 10:13, 14:19 Twenty - 10:2 Type - 73:4, 135:16, 191:21, 233:7, 275:1 Typed - 219:17 Typical - 63:13, 160:17 a Unclear - 190:12 Under - 8:1, 39:19, 39:21, 69:11, 118:12, 158:17, 183:14, 227:1 Underage - 267:12 Underneath - 73:8, 73:9 Understaffed - 279: 1, 281:11 Understand - 5:20, 7:7, 8:8, 43:25, 113:15, 114:2, 123:19, 124:20, 135:14, 135:22, 144:3, 158:18, 194:7, 206:2, 208:1, 228:10, 276:20, 278:7 Understood - 67:19 , 228:20 Union - 270:10 Unit - 25:4, 25:6, 25:17, 61:16, 67:5, 81:13, 81:16, 101:15, 137:24, 139:4, 139:9, 139:11, 157:8, 186:21, 204:12, 237:12, 237:14, 246:23, 255:21 United - 5:2 Units - 67:5, 81:22 Unless - 27:3, 37:15, 102:3, 109:11, 131:7, 132:24, 136:2, 167:9, 182:20, 194:2, 240:14 Unlikely - 165:25 Unmonitored - 240: 9, 240:12, 240:18, 240:21, 241:20, 241:23 Unrecorded - 243:1 7 Unruly - 281:5, 281:8 Unsure - 190:10 Update - 39:5, 162:7, 162:8, 162:10, 162:11, 204:11 Updated - 99:3, 102:4, 102:5, 162:4, 214:15, 289:9, 289:15, 289:23 Updates - 290:3 Uploaded - 71:3 Upon - 61:23, 207:15, 222:6, 225:19 Upset - 234:15, 260:2 Upside - 145:13 Upstairs - 146:24 Use - 64:6, 242:17 Used - 5:17, 5:24, 26:17, 49:9, 69:21, 85:23, 170:19, 175:10, 254:5, 254:6, 259:13, 260:4, 260:10, 286:10, 287:11, 288:3 Using - 167:5, 167:11, 239:20 Usually - 17:1, 17:13, 17:14, 41:8, 53:2, 68:23, 80:1, 85:2, 103:13, 161:1, 170:8, 172:16, 203:14, 232:23, 252:23, 290:3 a Vacant - 236:11, 236:12 Vanished - 129:11 Vanishes - 129:8 Vending - 286:7, 286:9, 286:19 Verbal - 38:22, 40:23 Verbalized - 194:21 Verify - 16:6, 89:6, 109:9, 134:9, 143:13, 177:7, 289:19 Verifying - 88:25, 133:6 Versus - 14:10 Very - 107:2, 152:11, 164:23, 165:25, 176:9, 183:19, 274:25 Vet - 228:22 Vetted - 91:25, 92:8, 92:19, 92:21, 226:23, 227:2, 229:2, 229:3 Video - 30:12, 109:12 Videos - 235:17 Violation - 241:6 Violations - 278:13, 278:18 Visit - 25:19, 26:3, 27:20, 28:1, 31:14, 45:18, 46:16, 50:2, 61:24, 179:19, 188:23, 202:5, 222:7, 225:19, 288:2, 288:18 Visited - 44:22, 188:21, 259:2 Visiting - 25:22, 26:3, 96:3, 96:15, 190:17 Visits - 45:24, 201:22 Voluntarily - 4:16 Voluntary - 4:17, 4:21, 4:22, 4:23, 5:5, 5:12, 7:14, 7:17, 118:10, 119:16 Cw) Wabs - 79:13 Wait - 17:2, 18:6, 19:7, 259:5, 286:5, 293:4 Waited - 226:25 Waiver - 5:19 Wake - 67:8, 285:21 Walk - 189:14, 190:21 Walked - 189:22 Walking - 25:10, 165:10, 189:6, 189:7, 241:23, 291:15 Wall - 101:8 Wanted - 41:14, 156:20, 162:10, 25771, 263:24, 264:7, 264:9, 264:11, 269:25, 275:12 Wants - 154:5, 282:5 Warden - 227:3 Warnings - 5:3, 5:20 Washcloth - 250:8 Watches - 247:10 Watching - 266:18, 266:20 Ways - 106:9, EFTA00062953

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106:10 Weather - 250:13 Weeds - 283:24 Week - 35:12, 38:11, 197:17, 288:5 Weekends - 24:9 Weekly - 197:25 Weeks - 186:17, 197:21, 198:20, 198:22 Weird - 124:13, 129:1, 244:23 Weirder - 139:22 We'll - 15:12, 22:17, 25:18, 41:15, 52:9, 193:1, 193:4 Weren't - 84:22, 129:14, 129:17, 135:7, 174:21, 178:19, 178:21, 237:1, 246:2, 262:1, 277:14, 286:12, 291:23 Whatever - 3:21, 28:4, 28:6, 28:11, 93:20, 118:7, 142:21, 147:12, 153:2, 173:2, 217:4, 228:3, 229:23, 235:5, 285:2, 286:3 Whatsoever - 208:4 Whenever - 159:21, 267:20 Whereas - 194:18, 206:15 Where's - 94:19 Wherever - 60:16 Whether - 56:6 Which - 5:19, 11:10, 110:5, 110:20, 142:14, 144:6, 147:5, 191:11, 240:15 While - 10:5, 31:14, 36:6, 42:6, 71:23, 120:25, 152:24, 239:15, 239:16, 260:8, 263:12, 280:17 Whoever - 140:20, 143:4, 236:5, 274:16, 292:11 Whoever's - 261:11 Whomever - 219:16 , 219:25 Who's - 66:23, 68:9, 89:22, 103:15, 116:16, 253:23, 254:9 Whose - 83:14, 117:24, 280:5, 289:11 Will - 4:3, 4:17, 5:14, 61:23, 118:18, 124:21, 162:8, 221:17, 222:6, 225:18, 229:13 Willing - 5:21 Wintertime - 251:11 Wise - 209:11 Within - 237:22 Without - 14:6, 46:11, 52:6, 220:3, 283:15 Witness - 7:1 Witsec - 141:22 Woke - 58:11 Won't - 89:19, 98:3, 215:12, 230:1 Word - 50:24 Words - 64:5 Worker - 73:14 Works - 160:3, 171:23, 206:15, 208:1 Worried - 256:23, 262:25 Worse - 266:15 Wow - 176:4 Write - 147:17, 154:12, 171:13 Writing - 165:5 Written - 61:14, 142:24, 221:22 Wrong - 6:12, 7:23, 146:25, 147:19, 147:21, 147:23, 147:24, 148:1, 153:22, 166:12, 166:25, 174:3, 234:23, 240:8, 270:19, 270:20 Wrote - 154:13 Y'all - 123:23, 228:14, 286:6 Yea - 97:23, 273:22 Year - 43:24, 43:25, 282:3, 283:16 Years - 9:17, 10:1, 10:2, 10:12, 10:13, 173:15, 175:9, 17871, 178:24, 223:9 Yelling - 260:3 Yep - 30:4, 147:6, 193:14, 230:22, 281:7, 293:4 Yet - 30:14 York - 3:4, 9:5, 11:9 You'd - 45:11, 94:25, 134:6 You'll - 23:24, 23:25, 67:6, 123:19, 290:2 Yourself - 6:2, 53:15, 53:20, 57:25, 87:10, 130:16, 157:2, 168:22, 173:3, 173:4, 178:4, 266:16 Yup - 74:4, 105:4, 128:18 a ZA - 119:21, 121:25, 122:4, 122:9, 122:19, 123:5, 123:11, 125:2, 147:15, 148:1, 228:9, 229:14, 232:12, 232:13, 232:14 Zas - 121:11 ZD - 232:11 Zero - 138:9 Co) "02 - 9:20, 9:21 "09 - 9:20, 9:21, 10:15, 11:5, 11:6 47 - 11:20 18 -11:17 49 - 11:23, 30:18, 236:9, 279:6 '21-11:17 ‘Cause - 258:5 a $60,000 - 283:16 a 00:12:34 - 19:1 00:19:51 - 29:14 00:32:18 - 46:6 00:32:28 - 46:13 00:41:32 - 58:18 00:48:29 - 68:15 00:56:31 - 80:16 01:02:01 - 87:8 01:18:33 - 108:21 01:26:40 - 120:5, 120:7 01:33:00 - 126:11 01:36:12 - 130:10 01:36:28 - 130:20 01:37:57 - 131:25 01:39:27 - 133:16 01:39:52 - 134:5 01:43:21 - 138:21 01:43:57 - 139:15 01:44:44 - 140:18 01:48:18 - 143:22 01:51:13 - 147:13 01:57:13 - 152:22 01:59:23 - 154:24 02:01:28 - 158:4 02:08:32 - 167:2 02:09:41 - 168:8 02:09:48 - 168:11 02:30:39 - 198:5 02:35:05 - 203:24 02:37:15 - 206:8 02:38:39 - 208:19 02:49:44 - 222:22 03:04:12 - 242:11 03:12:15 - 254:21 03:24:48 - 272:21 03:40:03 - 293:13 09 - 11:1 a | 1:06 - 3:11 1:10 - 7:5 1:50 - 61:18, 62:9, 62:16, 75:8, 78:1, 78:4, 78:8, 78:14, 79:16, 171:5, 224:6, 225:13, 227:11, 227:12 10 - 193:9, 264:21, 264:23, 265:7, 265:9, 265:18, 266:10, 267:6 10th - 13:16, 13:18, 15:7, 76:18, 107:21, 119:20, 125:1, 125:14, 125:16, 149:3, 149:10, 179:11, 180:16, 186:6, 200:14, 201:15, 235:8, 268:2 11 ~ 12:10, 12:21, 12:22, 13:20, 14:2, 14:5, 14:20, 14:23, 20:3, 73:4, 142:11, HB. 207.12, 255:22 11:00 - 218:24 11th - 76:19 12 - 3:10, 7:4, 61:15, 293:17 12:01 - 290:6 12:30 - 40:8 12:36 - 244:19 ~8:18 12th - 76:19 13 - 234:2 17th - 11:18 19 - 234:3 C2) 2:05 - 112:11 2:07 - 112:12, 113:9 20 - 10:1, 80:17 2006 - 9:9 2009/ - 10:18 2017 - 11:19 2021 - 3:10, 7:4, 293:17 21st - 10:18 23 - 32:19 23rd - 34:17, 34:20, 42:13 24 - 36:11, 36:20, 218:24 a 3:00 - 125:16, 128:9, 140:15, 153:11, 214:17 3:15 - 151:5, 151:6, 153:8, 162:24, 163:4, 163:11, 163:20 3:40 - 162:22 3:45 - 81:15 30 - 39:7, 56:1, 56:2, 96:8, 105:9, 105:10, 191:15, 192:5, 192:13, 199:7, 242:15, 246:18, 246:19, 246:22, 276:8 30th - 38:11, 40:8, 40:10, 40:11, 186:5, 186:13, 196:12, 196:25, 200:18, 201:11, 201:12 31 - 196:10 C4) 4:46 - 293:16 4:50 - 221:13 40 - 56:3, 177:10 Cs) 5:00 - 80:2, 80:6, 121:15, 121:18, 122:14, 122:16, 123:6, 128:3 5:02 - 121:14 EFTA00062954

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a 6:00 - 16:8, 16:9, 17:14, 30:7, 30:8, 60:16, 80:6, 211:15, 292:9, 292:12, 292:24, 293:3 7:00 - 211:15 7:30 - 40:9, 40:10 72 - 125:4, 125:10, 125:19, 125:22, 126:8, 127:1, 127:2, 127:7, 129:1, 129:10, 134:24, 151:23, 164:19, 165:4, 167:6 73 - 124:10, 124:11, 124:16, 125:8, 125:9, 126:22, 127:2, 127:12, 128:20, 129:1, 129:7, 135:23, 151:23, 164:19, 165:3, 167:6, 167:9, 167:10 75 - 123:11, 123:12, 123:16, 123:17, 163:18 76 - 128:17, 129:5, 130:3 76318-054 - 96:9 77 - 122:21, 122:23, 123:13 8:30 - 55:24, 212:17, 214:16, 224:4, 224:5, 260:19, 292:7 8:38 - 210:25, 214:1, 211:2, 211:3, 213:23, 214:25, 215:11, 215:16, 218:4, 219:23, 219:24, 220:7, 223:21, 227:14, 227:25, 228:3, 229:11 8703 - 8:12 8th - 62:14, 69:12 a 9:00 - 55:25, 79:18, 81:1, 126:13, 163:19, 289:16 9:30 - 162:18, 162:19 9:33 - 127:12, 127:13, 146:14, 146:20 900 - 271:4 -8:21 91st - 8:12 95 - 133:9, 133:10 EFTA00062955