DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INS OCTOBER 13, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Drive te 285 EFTA00061927

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WwW ee : Do you - and I know you forgot - do g part of it, participating in that at all? director wasn’t involved in a : I didn't even recall there o b b 1) Oo 3 u) 0 Fh 12) = i Q D o) , fe) 5 o wu = 1) o 1 ea ) em e) 5] rt by 0] fal fu a ct oO Ph fa I i) fw Kh t 0) RK | action report. speaking to the f I will the incident. EFTA00061933

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wo wo 20 N c N nN N a Nh Nh uw I know that there was a previous incident. I don't know who the cellmate was. I mean, to say I recall, that’s what I told you yesterday, for me to say I recall I don’t ct 7) oa want to say I recall because i een two and a half years. To say I recall is inappropriate fo rt just to use that term, because no, I don’ recall. I don’t remember the incident. I know there was something with him and another cellmate. Whether there was an assault, or another suicide attempt. But to say I recall what it was, no, I don’t. basically Mr. Epstein was found with a rope And the incident was around his neck. And he claimed that he was A as claims that Epstein tried to hang himself, and ying they notified -- that Mr. Epstein tried to EFTA00061934

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ow oO oo wo wo hang himself. Does that sound like -? ee : That all sounds legitimate. I mean, that all sounds legitimate. Yeah. ae : In terms of selecting PF as Epstein’s cellmate, do you know how that selection was made? Were you involved in that? a : I couldn’t say that I remember that. No. And typically, what I can say is, typically, a regional director would not be involved in the cellmate selection of any inmate. es : Okay. And being that Mr. Epstein, with the high-profile status of his, do you remember if Warden | reached out to you, to discuss the cellmate assignments, anything like that with you? a : I don’t recall that. No. I'm not saying he did or didn't. I just don’t recall it. I don't know why we -. I wouldn’t treat him any different than any other inmate. ee : Okay. And being that you don’t recall, my next question was going to be, did you provide any guidance to MCC Warden a. or BOP staff, regarding -- EFTA00061935

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Ne] WwW Ne] WwW fee} wo o ee : -- (Indiscernible *00:05:49). a : I'm not saying it didn't U happen. But I don’t recall it. incident, Epstein was placed on suicide watch. tion. On July 30th, he was removed from suicide watch with srvation, and placed back in the Is that correct? a : Again, I can't tell you what two and a half EFTA00061936

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 a : Did you or your - you’re saying that it, being the two and a half years ago, you don’t recall, you yourself do not recall providing any instructions to Warden a. or to any MCC staff in regards to Epstein? You said it was (Indiscernible *00:06:52)? a : No. No. I'm saying I don’t - I'm not saying whether I did or didn't - I'm saying I don’t remember that far back, whether I did or didn't. I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm not saying it did. Again, like I told you yesterday, for me to sit here and have a conversation about someone two and a half years ago, I can't tell you what happened because I don’t remember. ee : I see. I mean, being the fact that, you know, this is such a big incident, with all the press, and all the issues -- a : Well, that is, I mean, that is -. I know you’re doing your job. But let’s be real. This is a political -. I mean, there was a dozen suicides that year, and I can't recall anything about the others, either. But 11 EFTA00061937

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1 there is no investigation into the other ones. N So, obvious : Yeah. 4 a : -- there is a reason they’re 5 investigating this one and not the others. So, 6 for me to sit here and have an interview about 7 a situation that was two and a half years ago, 8 I don’t recall details about this one, but I wo don’t recall details about the other dozen or 10 two dozen, either. a : Okay. I see. I'm going to 2 keep going on, and -- 3 a : That’s fine. a : -- let me know if there is 5 any parts to this that you recall. If yes, you 16 can provide -- : Sure. : -- did you, your office, or wo anyone at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, 20 as far as you recall, receive any recalls, or 21 was anyone contacted by the lawyers or judges, 22 asking for Epstein to be removed from suicide 23 watch, or psychological observation? 24 a : I don’t remember anything I mean, I don't know that they N ul fu on 12) = ct ct is fu ct EFTA00061938

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 13 would be calling judges and lawyers. They would be calling the institution anyway, not the region. ae : Okay. And you haven’t heard anything about them calling the institution? a : I'm not saying they didn't. I just don’t recall that. ae : Okay. There are a few rumors that, around, stating that, hey, listen, the judge or attorneys actually reached out, asking for Epstein to be removed out of the psychological observation and placed back in the SHU. And that’s the, recently asked that question. ae : Okay. And it may be true. I'm not saying it’s not. I just can't sit here and tell you two and a half years ago, or two years later, whether that is true or not. a : Okay. And it is our understanding that, after Epstein was placed back in the SHU, psychology recommended that Epstein be housed with a cellmate. Is that correct? a : Well, that is for any inmate. So, I would say yes. EFTA00061939

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14 2 ee : It’s, like, it’s been on -. 3 Yeah. That’s standard procedure. 4 ae : Okay. Do you know who made 5 the decision that inmate [MJ would be That would be a 8 local decision at 9 was not involved 0 in 11 a : If they were, I wasn’t aware 2 of it, or don’t recall it being so. es : Okay. If Epstein was 4 required to have a cellmate, who is ultimately WwW 5 responsible to make sure that all the 16 were aware of this requirement? 7 a : Who is ultimately fee} wo 21 people are responsible for that. What do 22 mean “ultimately”? Like, the last person in st person in line in terms of making sure EFTA00061940

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wo O make make that sure were in that 15 EFTA00061941

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Nh No N WwW wo WwW 8 wo ie] WwW information that -- here knew Appreciate it. -- it will help rather than going to read those questions, too, hat we have on let me read that just to jump y- I apologize. I'm was put in the, put in that -- email to the warden, supervisory staff at conversation Inma a step dated post with inmate Epstein’s 16 EFTA00061942

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 attorneys requested he be housed in a single cell. The staff attorney stated, ‘Inmate Epstein could not be housed alone due to previous suicide attempts and gestures.’” Do you recall that? a : That was an email I sent to someone? ae : No, no. It was a -. It was an email that was included inside the after- action report. | tti‘iai‘éwl Now, and I'm sorry, i. that was probably, I just meant where we were left off. fC already answered, saying that it was protocol, you know, standard operating procedure, to house inmates coming off of suicide watch. a : Right. Any inmate coming off of watch has a cellmate. I mean, we try to cell every inmate with a cellmate, but especially ones coming off of watch. It’s pretty routine. ee : Okay. And the next question that we had was, this is a notation that was made, “No notations concerning a requirement for a cellmate were entered into the SHU EFTA00061943

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 program, and subsequently available for SHU officers to reference.” What does that mean? a : I'm sorry. You’re asking me a question, or are you -- a : Yeah. So, this is -- WN: ss -- (indiscernible *00:12:03) ae : -- this is basically loaded inside the -. You see, it’s hard when we can't do it face to face, I could show you the after- action report. This is a note that was inside the after-action report. It was, it states as such, “No notations concerning a requirement for a cellmate were entered into the SHU program, and subsequently -- a : Mm-hmm. a : -- available for the SHU officers to reference.” What does that mean? Like, what is the SHU? WN:—s_s | s guess the - I don't know what they call it anymore - the computerized program they use, there is a form called a 292. I forget what the name of it is. But basically, all the information for each inmate is on that form. But that’s not necessarily 18 EFTA00061944

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10 11 12 13 17 18 19 19 the only place. I mean, it could be in the memorandum. But yeah. The 292, again, I don't know what they - remember what they call that form. It is where it all information for each inmate in Special Housing is kept. Is this, like, the hot list? I'm sorry? Is this referred to as the hot list, or is it something separate? Or is this something on the system? Oh. No. That’s a -. It’s something separate. So, the hot list is the offenders who have psych concerns. I believe that is what the hot list is. If I remember. a : But the 292 is a form, basically, that lists each offender’s name, cell number, and the kind of list (Indiscernible *00:13:26). If they’ve had recreation, their meals, medical intentions, stuff like that. And there is a place in there where it could be noted that there is that requirement, but the officer would have to put it in there, after they were notified. So, it’s not the way to -. I think what you are EFTA00061945

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ow oO wo wo uw 20 asking is how would leadership notify the officer’s that he has to have a cellmate. And the leadership doesn't put that stuff in there. That’s the officers, put that stuff in there. a : Okay. Okay. And how would the leadership have notified? How should the leadership have notified the officers? a : By email or a memo. I would hope. a : Just some formal form of communication. Then the officer could put it onto (Indiscernible *00:14:09) the 292. ee : And do you recall if that notification was made, based on (Indiscernible *00:14:15)? a : I remember the warden, and the captain, and the AW saying that they notified down the chain. But I don’t recall seeing anything particular, like in writing, or a document, or anything. I'm not saying there is not a document there. There may be one in that report you are looking at. But -- a : -- I mean, I can't sit here EFTA00061946

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Ne] WwW co remember the memo, or if I remember the email. 1d when n a. The a : ia. | | wasn’t even there warden, ying in neral. That was of command. The @ remember, and if ma was just there - again, 21 EFTA00061947

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wo wo they would usually tell by email ora memorandum. ee : Who in the SHU - when you said the staff would have entered it in the 292 to - who would have been responsible for that? Would that be, like, the SHU lieutenant -- a : There’s -- a: -- ok the SHU OIC? a : -- yeah. Probably the SHU lieutenant or the OIC. either/or, thoug There’s not typically one person that would be, like, required to -? a : I mean, I don’t think policy specifies which one does i rr - I'm not sure. I haven’t read a BOP policy in two and a half years. But I don’t recall it, ever saying who knows that information. Typically, the OIC or the lieutenant one. ee : But now, according to this, this note, and again, the reason, the rimary reason we wanted to talk to with you i t J 7) based upon this after-action report. It’s just, we had to do a number of email reviews, EFTA00061948

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wo wo and within the emails, it looked like you were involved with a lot of the, at least back and forth, with finalizing this thing. ee : You know, helping to coordinate it. So, with regard to that, our understanding, through talking with a lot of the staff, would be, it would be more like the that would list, you know, what inmates needed to be, you know, housed with -- rs wu Ss a : So, your question was, is there a place to put it, and there is a place. You can put that on the 292. I'm not i) a ying it het a : But the answer is, but the hot -. There is a hot list for psych inmates. Yes. ee : Right. So, yeah. So, we were just getting back to the fact that it’s in this notation, within the after-action report. The specific quote was, “No notations concerning a requirement for a cellmate were EFTA00061949

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wo wo 2¢ entered into the SHU program, and subsequently available for SHU officers to reference.” So, when they are saying the SHU program, they are referencing the 292? a : Yes. Typically, that is what someone is referencing. When they say the SHU n rt wu Fh rh program, it’s the program that allows the to enter information on the 292s. that is developed by psychology services, for those inmates that have psych concerns, and restrictive housing. ve] has to be on the 2 Tt fu rt 2, I can't say that rt a wu rt there is anywhere in writing that says that is required by policy anywhere. Hs: «SX eeh. No. Our specific question was just, what did it mean by SHU ee : Yeah. Okay. I ytcha. a : Okay. Do you know if any plan was made on how to address the situation, EFTA00061950

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 if Epstein’s cellmate, a. was removed as Epstein’s cellmate? a : Well, I mean, any inmate requiring a cellmate is still the - whether it’s on the 292 or on the hot list - that information is still, would still be there. So, the staff and the SHU would still be required to provide a cellmate. ae : And what was that something that you were - I know you mentioned already you were not involved - but that is not something you were aware of, that if there was a secondary plan, hey, just in case || gets removed, there’s some actions that we need to take? a : No. I mean, I do remember - I'm trying to remember if this was before or after - but I do remember that the warden had already identified a couple of people, if the cellmate was ever removed. But I can't tell you who they were, or when that conversation happened. I mean, that could have been months before. I don't know. a : Okay. And you were aware that -. Has the warden spoke to you about EFTA00061951

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ow oO oo wo wo this, or you found out later? ee : That’s what I'm saying. I just remembered that conversation. Whether it was before or after, I don't know. I don't remember the details of it. But I do remember having a conversation with him, at some point, whether it was before they had already identified him, or if it w after that he had said he had already identified him. That, I can't tell you, and I don’t want to put words in his mouth. o nd as far as you know, there were a couple of inmates, other inmates, that he already had chosen, -- : It seems that : -- yeah. He had already e that -? to identified either one or two, it seems like. Whether - again -- : Okay. -- whether that conversation was that he told me after the fact, or if he told me before. That, I can't remember. And you don’t recall if he mentioned the names of those inmates to you, EFTA00061952

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oO oo wo o ine) Oo wo ine] either. Right? ee : He may have, but I don’t recall that. : Now, let me ask you this, sir. So, our understanding, through talking with other people, was that the captain provided a list to the warden, and the warden contacted you, and you guys kind of hashed out who should be with him. I think you were -- a : Mm-hmm. | tti‘iai‘éwl -- you guys had, like, a list of, like, three different people. - but I mean, I'm 4 oT wv rr 03) Oo Cc 5 oo 1) not saying that didn't happen - that sounds legitimate. a : So, are you thinking that the plan was probably if there were a list of three people, if one person was selected, then one of the other two people would probably be the next person, or would there be a whole separate other conversation with regards to that? ee : I mean, no, I mean, I would imagine - and again, we’re just having a what- if conversation here, because I can't tell you EFTA00061953

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ow oO wo wo 28 the details of what happened two, two anda half years ago - if he had a list of three names, it was probably an assurance that at least one of them was still there, or because it’s a jail, so people were constantly being released. As an example, if his cellmate got released that day. So, my guess is, the warden probably did have two or three names already, just in case one of them - or two of them - was released by a judge at some point. | tti‘iai‘éwl Awesome. Thank you. ae : Should those names have been provided to the SHU lieutenant, or the OIC, just in case, in case | got removed, should they have been aware who those inmates were? I mean, is there a requirement to? No. Because the hot list would have told them to make sure he had a cellmate. a a : At that point, they would have to figure out who that cellmate would be. a : Yeah. a : Now, I don't know if they had the names, or if it was provided to them. But EFTA00061954

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wo wo to say policy s they must be provided, that’s not written anywhere. a : Okay. The after-action report. It lists that, on August 93th, at 8:00 a.m., inmate i. the cellmate, departs for court. Inmate | does not return to the institution. a : Mm-hmm. a : Based on your understanding, do you know if | was actually, like, actually went to court, or w he transferred out of the institution? a : Well, that information was provided to me by whoever did the after-action. So -- a : -- I mean, I don't know. Whoever actually did the leg work of the after- action, onsite, which was a team of staff I sent there, they would have looked at the documents to make that determination. : Okay. But you don’t recall, your understanding was he, did he go to court, or was he transferred? ae : I don’t have a clue. EFTA00061955

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wo o wo ine) oO ine] ies) =] ee : I don’t. I don’t know. a : The reason we ask is, based on what we looked at, it looks - based on our investigation - we identified that the i. Marshals Service had sent emails to the MCC, on August 8th, saying that || was being transferred to the GEO prison, on August 9th. a : And being that Epstein was required to have a cellmate, what should have happened once that notification was made, that Po was being transferred? a : I think you are talking about two different departments. That information was probably sent to the Receiving and Discharge Department. Someone in R&D is not going to know whether an inmate is required to have a cellmate, or that he is even a cellmate of Epstein. a : But doesn't R&D do court list, or the take out list for the day, they put an inmates name, inmate i’ name, along with the words WAB - With All Belongings - next to it. That’s our understanding what EFTA00061956

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WwW No transpired. And they would have sent inmate was -- And if an 1 from -. -- I don’t I don’t know. I’ve never worked at MCC - so, I a internal notification was ct J D g 4 fe} Q 1] fa un rt J 1) an inmate was With All ng WAB me onsible to make sure still hada he left. ioe) a EFTA00061957

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S) Nh Nh No N WwW wo 7) WwW wo WwW 4 The day he left. would be. would be? was in charge of at time that his cellmate was removed should be reviewing for, to find him a new limate. uy) in ther action report, this is o 2019, during a shift change in the SHU number three, 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. officer, briefed his 2:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. relief, and the other two 00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. officers of the likelihood inmate a. Register Number a. would not be returning, and that inmate stein would 2in was not placed with a cellmate upon his return to the SHU.” ee : All right. So, they were sn’t back? notified that he EFTA00061958

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wo wo ies) Wo would not - inmate || - would not be returning, and Epstein would require a cellmate when he returned back from his attorney visit. ee : Well, no, that’s -- a : See, but he wasn’t in SHU. ee : -- just to clarify, a. it doesn't actually say that he wasn’t returning. It said, “The likelihood that he wasn’t returning.” So, our question more surrounds - and it sounds like you are going to point back to your investigators - but how did information? 0) they know, how did they get thi Or do you know? a : How did they get -? ee : So, this information that reported in the after-action report, our fo investigation shows that it i 7] inaccurate. So, we are just trying to reconcile some of this information. ee : For instance, our understanding is that, when J left the sxu, he was listed was WAB, With All Belongings. orc When the OIC actually escorted both Epstein and a. together, Epstein to attorney EFTA00061959

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1 conference, and J to Receiving and 2 Discharge, they actually had a conversation, 3 saying, don’t worry, the OIC telling them, I'm 4 going to get you a new inmate. I'm going to 5 get you a new cellmate. I'm sorry. 8 “Yes. Make sure you get him a new cellmate.” 9 time, that he wasn’t 0 2 ee : -- we're trying to 3 reconcile, because there is a lot of people 4 that are saying that inmate || went to 5 court. However, we have emails from August 16 8th, to both, two different -- wo at went to rvice. One Marshals 20 Receiving and Discharge, and another that went 21 to a number of people in the institution, 22 including all of the lieutenants. 24 ee : And that happened on and it went that, within it, it to i=) cS ifs) ot EFTA00061960

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Ne] WwW WwW said that he was being kind of cific point, obtained that rt information. And then, the second part of tha would be, on with the people that information, that was act and not 2iving and Di Suld have they actions a : Well, one, I don't know where that information. I would assume -. mean, other than the actual report, there is attachments of documents with that, corre ee : With the -. Yeah. So -- :00). ioe) uw EFTA00061961

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wo points after it ware re +5 video ’ a : -- (Indiscernible *00:27:20 this turned into such a large scale the OIG and the ould do. EFTA00061962

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oo wo wo ive) ~] limited access, unfortunately. So, their investigation was (Indiscernible *00:27:31). Their after-action review was pretty limited. Based on their access to a lot of stuff, I would imagine. I'm sorry. The other part you asked was? GN: (indiscernible *00:27:42). a : -- and again, the, kind of the reason why we are doing this is, one) to find out if we are missing anything; and two) we just don’t want to totally contradict the OP report -- a : -- and to see if, like, hey, where it’s, like, let - we wanted to ifs] ay let’s talk to the regional director at least to see if he knew any ing. Like, did he learn anything after, maybe, report was finalized, or if maybe if he can help us kind of, like, at least clear up how some of this could have, you know -- EFTA00061963

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No WwW fee) ve taken place. But the follow up to that was that, we -. Hold on. What - | - HN:—-s 22h. Somehow, I think, if I ng about all the Kh 3 o 3 on om K lieutenants were aware that he was leaving rt S 0) rrect. hould they back to a : But I don’t remember two and do remember what you a] a fu hb Hh ke i) sen] 6 it] EFTA00061964

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ive) ve] 1 he was -. 2 -- we’re not saying 3 aware. We’ 4 we have emails that they received an email from the Marshals rvice, and within ttachment that said that a ct Ss wu rt om =I fi bh bh = ou io wu 5 wu 9 based upon, u know, 0 and other custoc staff receiving that email, should have they known 2 hat he was ing trar i upon -- 2 tt he was being tran upon WwW fer) 5 o Ty Ss ct i= 0) to pick up wo EFTA00061965

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N WwW wo Ne] WwW wo Nh No ee : -- the Marshals c up that morning and said || is not uld have going, and changed the intake, or the - I don’t en remember what they call those forms anymore - discharge form. So, to make plans the day before, I mean, if you want to and beyond, sure. But is there a requirement to? No. The requirement is that he had a day. And technically, he wasn’t in the SHU, because you said he was at, with his lawyer, right? ee : Right. So, he was with his lawyer up until, you know, that nighttime. Probably about and that’s been a lot had until -- there, but -- ct -m. to get him EFTA00061966

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wo Ne] WwW 9 20 79 our investi Wy ed tha and when I say “they,” I mean at least the OIC was actually, knew he was and transferred, yeah, t someone should have started taking action at ee : And then, or a lot of well, we didn't know if he was technically going to re he went to court. But we’ve learned that, at least itionally, and I don’t know if this -- thing or n But “With All ongings,” that means, at least at the t they are 41 EFTA00061967

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iS pre-removed on 2 the PP-38. So, it is showing -- 4 GS: |S -- that they are actually 5 being removed from the institution. They are 6 not exp d to come back. wo WS: With All Belon 0 local lingo. And that is an internal thing. that is not really a technical, Umm, term. 2 It would be - like you said - if it said 03) Ph is) 5 3 transferred, that’s one thing. If it say 4 court, that would be another thing. Well, it 5 just depends on how that is coded on there. 16 With All Belongings, that doesn't - I mean, 7 I’ve never even heard that term before. So -- wo \ I b 5 i) 2 o af K fs] 21 know. But are you familiar with, like, the PP- been a while. I mean, I But it’s been a little EFTA00061968

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S) Nh t Nh No N WwW wo WwW wo WwW lly, then they probably should have started making a decision at that point. | tti‘ésSS All right. And then, going back to who was ultimately responsible, at least, it sounds like the Especially since the OIC said he a : He should have at lea reached out to the SHU lieutenant and made them i) st aware of it, then they would have started that convoluted, anda little - SHU lieutenant wasn’t there that day. it is, like, all right, should he have told the is) then, you know, then operations lieutenant? Should he straight -- EFTA00061970

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Ww Ww fee} the captain? has a Supervi So, who would Would it has two, really erations lieute -, would be his direct. would be his di have notified them, and then, th - I'm assuming -- got - EFTA00061971

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46 1 a : -- the ball rolling, at that point. Ne] WwW 4 didn't, so, if also : let’s say 5 there is this individual named J, operations lieutenant that day. 0 || was Epstein’s cellmate, and that || 1 did leave the institution. But he is the one 2 who said - and this is what lines up what 3 after-action report said - that m7 went to 4 court, and he didn't know if he was coming back 5 or not. did he -- He also said that he -- wo so, they VJ interviews. EFTA00061972

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oo wo o wo ine) oO ine] NS — ine] uw > ~] warden would probably be more appropriate to speak with the specific WAB term, then, because our understanding is that the operations lieutenant would have had that production list, that would have listed | as WAB. So, him saying that he knew that -- a : Right. ee : -- he was leaving, if he saw the WAB, he should have known, well, he wasn’t coming back. a : Right. they use it for, and he was aware of it, then If that’s what mM yes. I agree. ee : Okay. And you think that would be more of an operations lieutenant thing and not an activities lieutenant? a : Yeah. Operations. I mean, they both work together, but operations is responsible for the shift, and the activi just kind of responsible for going around bh i) ws. and reviewing document and policy, and you know, just kind of make sure everybody is doing a) their job, so to peak. U EFTA00061973

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wo WwW is your thought of the th Oo was operations lieutenant, he knew 03) information, but he didn't pa relieving operations lieutenant, who problematic, Do you think that he knew | was gone, but didn't know if he was, or wasn’t Should have he notified his That - yeah, I if knew that, he is telling us he needed a cellmate, and he was S) N No t No Nh wo WwW 1k No. I think that there anything else on the next topic we are EFTA00061974

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No S) wo WwW wo WwW forward -- Mm-hmm. you mentioned that the after-action team, that they might have got the information from J. Do you know if did any intervie PF I don't know what -- a : (Indiscernible *00:35:41). a : -- I mean, without looking at the actual report, and tl! documents that he used, I couldn’t tell you. that thing since whatever the date of it is. I never looked at it again after that a : Understood. I'm going to go ahead and jump into the next topic. What is your understanding of what happened with the M cameras, and why they weren’t recording in the SHU on August 9th and 10 iding was the, EFTA00061975

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ow oO oo wo wo don’t know - still don’t know - the end result because I know they were still trying to - what’s the word? - retrieve some of the data off of, because it’s digital, it’s not tapes. So, the last I heard, before I retired, or not before I retired, it’s the last I heard right after the incident, I know, I think the FBI or mn you guys, somebody had the recorders, and kept trying to see what they could recover them, but I don’t know the end result of that. So, I don’t, I really don’t know even what footage they got. es : Okay. Well, based on our investigation, we’ve learned that the MCC, SIS Lieutenant Doctor, and the AW || became aware on August 8th, 2019, that at least some of the MCC cameras were not recording. a : They contacted the Comtech, ) 20s they had also notified Captain Re. that the cameras were not working. a : Are you aware if this is EFTA00061976

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ow oO ~—] wo wi ras WS) not. I mean, if they were, they became aware on the August 8th, and they reported it on August 8th? ae : Is this the first time you’re hearing about this, that this notification was made and the cameras were not working on August 8th, the day before the incident? a : I mean, I don’t recall it. I'm not saying it wasn’t told to me after the incident with it. Been told to me on August 8th. That would be anything to report. But was I made aware after the fact? I don't know. I can't remember that. WN: Okay. Were you or your office notified about the cameras not working at the MCC, prior to August 10th, 2019? a : You would have to go back in the work orders and look at that. I have no clue. I mean, you are talking 19 facilities, and you get calls every day. It’s not the only place that we had to replace cameras in. So. ae : Well, let me be specific. Were you aware if the MCC cameras were scheduled to be replaced? EFTA00061977

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2 work orders, and the email communications that iewed, ameras and a and to have them 5 delivered to the MCC in approximately October 3 0 2 accurate? WwW : Sounds good. I mean, I don't 6 WN: t= sounds -. If you are saying that’s documented, then it is. Yeah, well, based on what we fee} 9 found out, it looks like, it unds like the 20 based on that -- EFTA00061978

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wo wo wi Wo replacements, then? : Yes. And it was sitting -- : Okay. -- there since October 2018. : Yeah. I mean, that sounds legit. I don’t get -. The Regional Director is not involved in that detail, I mean, that was something that the facilities Comtech, or the facilities administrator would have looked t. We would have made a decision based on need. So, it sounds like we did the right thing and got them what they needed. K eah. Now, you said who would have been responsible, the facilities manager, and -? a : So, if they needed the cameras, and they sent up a request, it would come up through the facilities officer in the region, and then up through the central office, and then, they would send out the money, which sounds like they did. a : Okay. And then, did you see, EFTA00061979

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wo wo Yes. -- a year before -- Okay. -- they actually had it sitting -- Yeah. -- they had everything n rm ct rt B 5 Q rt J @ RR 0) | | Okay. -- at (Indiscernible *00: wo 2:38), they already had it sitting there, lo but when should have the new camera system have been installed? I mean, I'm not a Comtech. I don't know the -. I don't know if there were parts that they still needed. I don't know. I mean, there is a lot of questions, leading questions there for me to ask before I say when they should be installed. Just because they showed up today doesn't mean they could be installed tomorrow. Now, a year later sounds a little extreme. But again, I don't know if they had run conduit. They needed to buy wire. If they didn’t have a Comtech. There is a million questions to ask before when should be EFTA00061980

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N WwW wo 7) WwW wo Nh Nh WwW 24 Well, ased on our you, do you know The company that works as -. that services the company camera ct he MCC. And the is out there, t time we spoke with them, they said that ordered, and -- entati shouldn’t have been installed. I'm saying I all don’t know because I don’t know the details Fh ct x wu rt 2) H tar tuation o had eve -hing in place, anc wires run -- talled long befor wi uw EFTA00061981

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ow ~—] wo wi n Due to the fact that there was a history of failure with the DVR, with the camera system, and the fact that they had a replacement system already waiting -- WN: -- (Indiscernible *00:40:58) some kind of priority -? a : Now, without knowing the details, yes. I mean, without knowing the unknown, if there was something there I'm not aware of, but there is nothing there that I am not aware of, yes, I would think it should be installed by that point. Unless there is some unusual circumstance that I'm just, you know, I don't know about, at this point. a : And based on your experience, if that everything was there at the MCC, who would have been responsible to make sure the new system was installed? WN:—«s he facilities manager, supervisors, that would be communications tech does the actual work. a : And they would have to coordinate that, also, with the captain. So, EFTA00061982

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N WwW wo WwW 8 wo No No No WwW 24 down, so they would have to the if there was captain of time, down for short perio Uh-huh. : -- you’re not, all iables, but if : -- (Indiscernible *00:41:58). ithout -- -- yeah, w (Indiscernible *00:41:58). -- wit I don't know why they that point. see. Well, based on a tion with there a couple of after this incident. Yeah. : Mr. Epstein, after the took cameras. K oO wu EFTA00061983

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ow oO ~—] wo wi o ae : And they were able to set up all the cameras. a : So, that sounds like they could have been installed at that time. Again, I don’t want to put words in people’s mouths, because I'm not there to say, you know, that they installed them. That, you know, was the Comtech there? Did they have a Comtech? There is a lot of questions to answer, not being onsite. I don’t know why they would not be installed, is what I'm saying. a : And it sounds like they should have been. But if there is some information I’m not aware of that could lead to them not being installed, I'm not aware of that information. a : Based on what we have found out, and you asked, in terms, you know, we (Indiscernible *00:42:52), but our understanding is, the system actually stopped recording as of July 29th. a : And so, there is no recordings in the system. So, there was - the EFTA00061984

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No WwW WwW cameras were not recording. And on August 8th, like Lieutenant Doctor and At And they realized they Hmm. And -- Okay. -- they told Com Tech Daniel, and supposedly also told Captain Darden. However, the system was not fixed. And when, appened on August 10th -- tion was, how come everything was listen, how important is it for the camera system to work at prison facili fu fu rt kK : You’ re asking me that? Oh, I mean, I think wi Ye) EFTA00061985

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 60 incident explains it all. Honestly, they are extremely important. I mean, there was a time in the Bureau we didn't have cameras. Honestly, there were no cameras in the institutions. But now that we have them, we’ve come to rely on them for everything. To say how important it is, I mean, there is not a document that says somewhere that they will be here, they will be there. That’s, you know, the facility decides where they need them at, and then, they are approved up the chain from there, but they are an important part of our security, because basically, they are reviewed any time there is any incident. So, whether there is a fight, assault, accusations of sexual assault, you name it, any kind of significant event, the first thing the facility does is pull all the cameras, in those areas, and reviews it. a : And just to clarify, I mean, based on what our knowledge is, it looks like you could live view the cameras, but none of it was recording. Now, being that they found out on August 8th that the cameras were not recording. EFTA00061986

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 fA ee : Should they have made a (Indiscernible *00:44:48) a few days, one to two days to fix it, or should it have been fixed immediately? a : I mean, it would have been a priority, yes. ME: 0x2. ae : One or two days, I don’t think that is a long period. I mean, if I was a warden and my Comtech came to me and says, hey, the cameras on this range are not working, I would tell them to get them fixed. Now, if it has been a week later, and they are still not fixed, I would probably ask why. But if it is not fixed the next day, you know, I'm giving them time to work on it first. I don’t know what the problem is. And the wardens at the facilities are not Comtech experts, and not experts in communication equipment. So, to say, you know, you got the next two hours to get it fixed, that seems to be extreme. If it has been a while, that is probably a question of why is it -? Why -? I guess my answer would be, if it has been a couple days, they 61 EFTA00061987

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1 at least ask the status of it, at that 4 do any other que: ing to move on 8 Sth, 2019. “At 9 7: D.M., al call 0 . This would 2 'm 6 a : This the day before -itution duty EFTA00061988

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S) Nh Nh No ine] N WwW wo 7) WwW wo WwW oO Wo This call was done on an unmonitored oO fh al i Q 0) KR It is extreme concerning this call would have been placed, id why it would be done on an unmonitored line. fF Without further interviews, it is not possible to determine the rea for fi) is it extremely conce WN: Because all inmate phone .Q 0 ie) 5 rr oe eir own and provide a phone call to an offender that is not on the inmate system? forget what they call that the basic understanding of a : And they probably, I'm ‘t int the person stigation. ee : (Indiscernible *00:47: EFTA00061989

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Ne] WwW WwW ue] J ie) 5 o aQ ny any bh didn’t interview him, right? Yeah It says they didn't do But we were able to interview and this is what our understanding CE: bon, tein made a request to unit manager, PY -- Mm-hmm. -- and provided him with the So, that he - so that Epstein - could call his mother. mn pack and PIN and found out that it was set area in the SHU, and plugged a p EFTA00061990

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S) Ne N No i S) wo WwW wo WwW oO uw -O.S were around, and he did not specifically instruct anyone of them to monitor the phone call. Instead -- y- -- he called the departed from the MCC, to make sure that the after his ue) 5 o =] Oo = w i] ct i] am i) =] w = wu ke rh 4K Oo 3 tf ue] a ct oO bh 5 allotted time.” aring about the first time you are a : The only thing I heard is you just, was in the report. All of that a : Okay. So -- a : What I should say is, as I’ve been saying, is I don’t recall hearing that, but that sounds like something I hadn’t heard before. So, a couple thi that stood out to us is the fact that, know, the phone call. He asked -- -- to speak with his mother, EFTA00061991

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ow oO wo wo oO tam i) ket oO n and the phone was plugged into the legal line, there was no -. Are inmates allowed to make phone calls on the legal line? Are they ever given an opportunity on the -? a : For legal calls. He was -. How long had he been there? His - I mean, I don’t have access to this - I'm assuming he has made previous calls, and his PIN number would have been issued to him the day he arrived. So, that is the thing, we found out that, the pack and PIN was never set up. Because he was always in attorney conference. Oh. He never set it up because he was never in there during the time to do it. : So, | allowed him to make the phone call on the legal line, and we were told, sometimes people make phone calls on the legal line, but you would have a correctional officer sitting next to them, and then monitor the phone call. : Yeah. Someone should have EFTA00061992

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wo wo N ins) ine) rs a No Nh ine] uw been there. Especially the fact that it wasn’t a legal call. So, someone should have been it should have been done on a legal call. mean, I'm not saying it wasn’t logged, but there should be some record of that call. So, we were told by the captain that he instructed, he had a conversation in regards to this, with a. and he told | to log it and monitor the Which what I just -- (Indiscernible *00:49:52). -- exactly what I Yeah. But there was no log kept about it, and there was no one monitored But Ft made the phone call. Epstein had to say that he wanted to speak to his mother, except his mother was ~] oO EFTA00061993

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10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 a : So, now, and the person who picked up was a male that picked up the phone. ae : And the phone was handed off. How -? Is this a serious concern, or the safety, and a sign of a safety violation? a : Yeah. I mean, you described the situation. We don't know what happened on that phone call. It could have potentially led to the incident, but we don’t, we will never know. Yeah. All inmate phone calls are supposed to be monitored. And I believe - and I could be completely wrong - but I believe every Special Housing has a monitored phone that is not - that doesn’t require a PIN for that purpose. Now, I could be completely wrong. a : (Indiscernible *00:50:52). a : Yeah. It seems I recall - and again, I have been out of the game for a long time - but it seems like they were requiring all of the Special Housings to have a phone, and you would have to check with the central office on this, but it seems like every Special Housing was required to have a phone, 68 EFTA00061994

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oO oo wo o oO wo ine) ine] that could be monitored, that was recorded, but did not require the PIN, and that is why I said the log, because it seems like they had to have a log in there. It was for incidents like that, where the phone system is not working, or Yeah. -- they don’t have access to it. And it was more of a family emergency. Now, I could be completely off. I could be wrong. But it seems like there was something in place that there could be monitored calls done when not using the inmate PIN, in the Special Housing. You said it was required. Is this policy? If you recall. Again, I'm telling you something that I believe to be accurate, but it was two and a half years ago. Understood. And it could be simply something and it does, seems legit in my head and it’s not. But -- Okay. -- I seem to recall that EFTA00061995

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wo wo ~l =] there was always, in the Special Housing Units, a phone in an office that could be recorded, that was not part of the inmate telephone system. a : Who would be the best person for me to get information, in regards to that? Oh, I don’t even know who works in the Bureau anymore. Probably the head, the correctional services administrator in the central office. 5 oO 1) 0 iat rt hat might be now. I have no clue. Okay. I appreciate that. And I think the assistant director of that division is still || WN. (Phonetic Sp. *00:52:32), but I don't know that he is still there or not. HN: 8 cein, that could be completely inaccurate, but - and I'm just going back to, when I was a warden, before a regional director, and it seems like I had a phone in the Special Housing that they could use for those type of phone calls. For recording when EFTA00061996

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wo wo an inmate didn't have access to his PIN for n n some reason. But that could be completely off, too. I can't remember now. ae : Unders a : But going back to your ion. Yes, that would be concerning ood. A Q = 0] io) rt U on i) Qo wu i n se all phone calls should be recorded, or a] rt bh o wu wn ct =] is) 5 bp rt ie) r o jon rt > wu rt wu an o ie] C rt hb o w be a wu b be a like that is not monitored? Epstein, but if other inmates were allowed to make the a : Mm-hmm. Anything could. I mean, you name it, it could happen. I mean, + , 1) ame type of phone call. drug anything that shouldn’t be -- Understood. -- happening in the prison could be happening on the phone call. ay. a. you got thing else on the -? know anything about Epstein changing his will BD 3 c (@) prior to his death? EFTA00061997

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Ne] WwW WwW I don’t remembe do I remember it to me. I don't know that I ev but I am not saying it didn't. you t that information, r that we had. It is not I mean, a. is that in the af heard hea That I recall. So, about rd about 's fine. r-action? EFTA00061999

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Ne] investiga WwW Mm-hmm. 5 -- a number of emails. We 6 email from you to Warden 8 ie] i oO rt 7 i) Oo Rr re) H ia 2 count change from 73 to 72 between 12:00 a.m. recall this email? 5 Do you recall if was an 6 was an : That day. 9 No. Was there a count 20 night, t 21 This is August 10th. So, 22 this is the morning of. This is between - on EFTA00062000

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N WwW wo placed back in his was allowed on August cell. And he Mm-hmm. So, when he was the day of that, at approxima to make a 9th. tely 6: found, you He this send an sking why the count, from midnight, -m. and 3:00 a.m. on August 10th 7) Mm-hmm. WwW -- why did the count change 6 : Okay : Do you recall there being an 8 issue with the count? or I mean, honestly, if I sent But I don’t recall what I 7) oO 5s o = rt saw to make me 24 EFTA00062001

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wo wo nn emails that day. Okay. Do you -. What did you learn with regard to the activities of the M SHU counts and rounds on August 9th and 10th. In 2019. a : I couldn't begin to guess what I learned on that day. I have no clue. a : Okay. Do you recall there afterwards, do you recall any, knowing that there was any issues with the rounds or the counts that were conducted? On the day of? On the day of. Well, I think we found they didn't do the rounds. That would be the overnight counts. The overnight rounds. Right? Right. The night that he - whatever time he committed suicide. I mean, I think part of that was finding they didn't do rounds. Okay. Were you aware that, aware of the SHU counts and rounds, were or were not conducted by the SHU staff on August 9th and 10th? So, I'm now asking about both EFTA00062002

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1 days. Ww 8 is} 0 , learned that the rounds weren know 4 came about? How did you 5 conducted? 6 I ldn’t . I 0 have no -. You are asking me how half 1 something two and fu 22 particular date, or who told me. I -. world -. EFTA00062003

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wo wo son is, again, with this email review, it uT] re was just, this em rat] il came up from you to the warden, and just saying what happened with the tw counts. ut there was, he obviously, het ie) u Q i=} — n must have spoken about it afterwards, b o 1) Q wu c i] m there is no response from him. So, the -- ee : -- follow up would be that, like, he probably got on the phone with, and probably explained it to you. a : Yeah. Mm-hmm. I’m assuming. I probably talked to him a thousand times that i] points, within the after-action report, was that it was discovered that rounds and counts were not conducted. So -- a : -- the question to you is just if you recalled what the conversation you , with the warden, with regards to and if you know how it was learned ~] o EFTA00062004

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Nh No N N WwW wo WwW wo No WwW that these counts and rounds were in fact not mean, I don’t even want Probably, th before, because it would be something that I would have asked for. In an incident like that. Something pretty routine to request. And I was probably looking at them, and noticed that something changed. I don't k counts a : -- it would have been, like, (Indiscernible *(¢ Ee : -- so, as background on the lieutenant’s log, it shows that there were 58:42). Ww inmates that there is only 72. So -- EFTA00062005

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co N WwW 2) 9 So, what that would be is if 0 I the beginning of the log, and if I saw the end, I would have went 2 line in the log see where the 3 it mu have not been put in e, what the fee) rt 0 fu conclusion of maybe you know something know, we don’t. So, we just wo if you -- of what the re or whomever was nal information with regard EFTA00062006

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wo ow fon) co wo action report, it shows that the institution duty officers. Now, what is an institutional duty officer? What -? a : The institutional duty officer. So, it’s a supervisor. I need to walk out. I want to make sure there is nobody in here. So, the institution duty officer is a supervisor. Typically, the department head, and they just are at the facili at non-duty hours. So, typically, they stay until 8:00 or 9:00 at night during the week, and they are there on the weekends. And just kind of monitor operations of the facility. On behalf of the warden. a : And yeah. They (Indiscernible *01:00:49). ee: -- so, are they -. a : They just kind of report what they saw or heard during the weekend. HE: «So, is an ID0 different than, like, the operations lieutenant something or the AW, or -? it) cr EFTA00062008

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 83 ME: ec. ee : It’s a totally different a : Yeah. So, the operations -. Yeah. The duty officer is more the eyes and ears of the warden when the warden is not there. ee: Okay. And it say, “IDOs do not routinely visit SHU each day, as required by the institution supplement,” and then, it gives a number. It says, “Additionally, the IDO reports consistently document the condition of SHU as satisfactory when observations have shown the SHU to be less than satisfactory.” So, our main question there was just, who was this IDO that you are referring to? So, that is an actual position title? a : Yes. No, no, no. Each department head, typically it’s, at facilities, in every facilities in there, there’s somewhere that will have a list of positions that require you to cover as the IDO. So, like, your education department head, your food service administrator, your unit managers. Those are EFTA00062009

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ow oO wo wo 84 all department heads. And so, they have to rotate through the duty officer schedule. And ay, I want to say it is a Tuesday to Tuesday nv schedule. In most facilities. And so, they come in Tuesday afternoon. They will stay until 9 o’clock each night. And they work straight through to the next Tuesday. And just kind of reporting to the warden if there is any concerns. If any incidents happened at the institution. The duty officers want it, reports it to the warden. That kind of stuff. ee : Yeah. It is an -- ee : -- talk to the warden. a : -- it is an assignment that comes around. It usually comes around maybe two or three times a year. To each department head. Hs: «Okay. So, this transitions to lieutenant rounds. We have been hearing different things about what a lieutenant round actually entails. Do you know if -- EFTA00062010

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 85 ee : -- when a lieutenant conducts a round in the SHU, are they required to conduct a round of the actual inmates themselves, or does a lieutenant round just consist of them checking in with the SHU staff officers to make sure everything is okay? a : You say required? I don't know what the policy specifically says. The expectation is they should be doing rounds on every range, because they are supposed to be monitoring the facility itself. So, how are they going to know what’s happening if they don’t go down range? ee : Sure. So, the expectation would be that a lieutenant is actually conducting a round the same way that a staff member would be conducting a round? a : Not necessarily the same way. They are not doing cell by cell, you know, counts and stuff like that. But they should be going up and down the range, checking on inmates. I'm not, you know, I'm not going to say they are going to expect them to stop at every cell and talk to every inmate. But they should be going down range, and if inmates EFTA00062011

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S) Ne N No i S) wo WwW wo WwW holler at them, they need something, or they them from time to time, ee : Now, and that is what most lieutenants are telling us, but we have a select few that are trying to tell us that, no, i1eut i) nants aren’t required to do that. Alla lieutenant is supposed to do is to make sure that the staff member 7) wu KK oO okay, and that they rything that they need. Do you think what is this purpose for? a : If want to check on the officer, because they can just call them. They So, I guess that is the good point. They could just EFTA00062012

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wo wo fos) ~] wouldn’t have to actually do that. | tti‘ésSS Do you know if, when they sign, like, there is a - on their round sheets - there is, like, a lieutenants’ signature. that they conducted the round in the SHU. Do you think that that, then, means that they actually conducted a round, going a : It means actually going - yeah - to me, that means actually BE: 81 ight. a : And there have been, and I will tell you, there have been lieutenants in doing rounds. ct @ cel wu ast that have got significant discipline for having the logbooks brought to the lieutenants office, because they wouldn’t even go to the units. For that very reason. They have to go to the location and actually look around, is going on, to make sure everything i vv} I'm going to skip ahead. I'm going to skip EFTA00062013

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 some of this since we’re on -- ME: okay. ee : -- tough on time. Let’s see. So, here is one. So, we have a, there was a timeline in the after-action report. And this is the actual incident itself. It says, “On August 10th, 2019, at 6:33 a.m., a body alarm is activated in the Special Housing Unit. SHU staff reported that Epstein was unresponsive in his cell.” It says, “Sentry does not reflect this accurately. Staff entered the cell and attempted to wake inmate Epstein. Control center announced a medical emergency, and CPR was initiated.” It says, “At 7:36 a.m., inmate Epstein was pronounced dead by the emergency room physician.” Do you know - and this is where we get a confusing information - do you know if Epstein showed any signs of life between 6:33 a.m., when he was found, until 7:36, when he was pronounced dead? a : No. I don’t. I don’t recall ever hearing anything about his status between the time that they found him to the time they pronounced him. 88 EFTA00062014

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 89 unofficial policy, saying that an inmate can't or shouldn’t be pronounced dead at the institution? Because that just causes problems, and you should always wait to get to the hospital? a : I mean, there is, you hear those rumors. I mean, I remember when I was an officer, and no inmates dies in prison type of thing. But no, I mean, you try to resuscitate, but there have been inmates, from time to time, very rarely, that are pronounced inside the facility. And typically, what happens in that situation is the rescue squad arrives. They start, you know, resuscitation or whatever, and they determine that this person has expired, they will call the, you know, whatever is required at that jurisdiction, the doctor, and the doctor will pronounce them, based on the information provided from the rescue squad. I'm not sure what the requirement is in New York on that. a : Okay. Now, going on in the report, it says - this is after the timeline - it says, “SHU has multiple cells equipped with video recording capability. EFTA00062015

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Inmate Epstein was not housed in one of these cells. And there appears to be no set guidance on when to utilize these cells.” Do you know if Epstein should have been placed in one of these cells, with the -? a : No. Those cells should not even have existed. Those were left over from 9/11. After 9/11, when they started bringing in all the terrorists. There is actually requirements not to have those areas recorded because it’s a PREA violation. So, most facilities only have one or two cells that will have a camera. And that is typically only for an inmate who may be placed in four-point restraints, for continuous monitoring. Or ina suicide watch cell. But just for general cells, that facility just had a lot of them because they were never removed after 9/11. ee : All right. So, the fact that this says this in the after-action report, you kind of disagree with that? a : The fact that it was, I mean, the fact that it was available, could they have used it? Sure. But is it required? No. ee : All right. And do you 90 EFTA00062016

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uw fo) 10 11 12 13 14 17 18 19 believe that it should not have been utilized? It just sounds like it shouldn’t, because you said, it sounded like there was some violations, the only reason they are there for, like, more like terroristic things. a : Well, I'm sorry. What does it say again? ee: The specific point says, “SHU has multiple cells equipped with video recording capability. Inmate Epstein was not housed in one of these cells, and there appears to be no set guidance on when to utilize these cells.” HE: Right. ee : So, it doesn't really say anything, but it is addressed in your after- action report. a : And the reason is because they were there. And the reason of that, they did the investigation for me, was aware they were there. And basically just saying is, you got this, this technology, you need to have something in writing about when and how you can use it. And since, it is not saying they should have used it. 91 EFTA00062017

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oO No 1 Ee: «Xo. «And that’ WN: (Indiscernible *01:09:05). And that’s where my 7] right. N WwW 4 question to you, should have they? a : I don’t think so because, especially, ow oO ou know, unfortunately, with who 7 he was, and the kind of money he has, he could oo have used that against us. For violating some wo kind of privacy right or something. And so, 10 that is why, typically, those cells are not used. In very rare instances they are used. 2 And I don’t even think they exist now. I think 3 they were removed some time later. Or 4 disconnected. But I think his point was, you 5 have them, you need to have something in 16 writing saying how they are used. 8 to be my last thing, because you’ve got to run, i 7] 7) Q Oo Pp 3 Q wo and this is, I'm going to read you kind of a 20 more, it’s a whole paragraph, so it’s a little 21 bit of a lengthy. So, just bear with me, if 22 you don’t mind. 24 ee : This is from the after- action report. “He was also an inmate ine] uw EFTA00062018

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wo Wo 1 who had risk N WwW Mm-hmm. 5 HE: )9 8 though these issues 6 were noted, well-documented, and communicated, o) 7 a failure still occurred by allowing inmate to be placed in a cell alone. wo Right. to effectuate suicide while housed with ble for an inmat 2 a cellmate, the odds -- urring are 5 significantly lowered when housed with another “” 16 inmate. continu o wo . “It is apparent various 20 the institution made a point of ensuring inmate 21 Ep Nh 23 ee : The captain personally 24 tructed the lieutenants, individually. A And mass email was distributed by ps EFTA00062019

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ow oO ~—] wo 10 12 13 14 it is apparent some SHU officers were aware. Although many people acknowledged this is an important fact, ultimately, the final staff responsible did not ensure the requirement was met. Including vital directives, such as cellmate requirements, and a mass email, does not ensure those who truly need that information do in fact receive it timely. In this case, inmate Epstein was actually placed with a cellmate when removed from psychology observation. After that moment, it is clear there was no additional written directive, ora fail safe system, established to ensure inmate Epstein would have a cellmate going forward.” Did you follow all that? WN:ss ean. =f did. kind of ultimate conclusion, or the - not yours like that’s your 03) personally -- HS: Right. ee : -- but I mean, like, the after-action sounds like -- ee : Right. ee : -- the ultimate conclusion there was, hey, if he actually had a 94 EFTA00062020

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ow oO oo wo wo \o i=) case, from what you recall, and from just what we’ve talked about today, who ultimately was responsible for making sure that that -? I mean, I know we talked about the OIC -- ee : -- is the one who knew -. a : I mean, and to conclude your investigation. ee : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just mean, because, I mean, the OIC knew he was WAB. That Ops Lieutenant is saying that he knew he was gone. But just didn't know he wasn’t coming back. But then, that Ops Lieutenant didn't provide that information -- ae : Yeah. (Indiscernible *01:12:38). a : From what you told me, what conversation we’ve had for the last hour, and the information you provided me, it sounds like, one) that a lieutenant, at some point, I don't know which one, or how many, failed to follow up on the information they had; and two) it sounds like an OIC on one or multiple shifts failed to follow up, as well. EFTA00062022

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wo WwW wo 23 conduc as well as the Epstein not being housed with a cellmate, those would be the two most contributing factors of the reason w a : Those are. Other than others I may not know, the not doing your rounds, not doing your counts, and not putting a cellmate in with him, those are definit the two things that led to this. last question - my final, rall conclusion, or overall question would be, do you know, is there any reason to believe that Epstein didn’t take his own life? a : I have no information or reason to believe that. No. a. do you have an ee : No. That’s it. ee : I can't thank you enough eat. hing further? oO o EFTA00062024

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so if you ha Ne] Ww ie] fw n tt] 4 you can go through him, or you can go through 8 him. QO you, so, a. as I mentioned to y phone doesn't take calls from any number that ing to tell my 2 is not in my contacts. So, I did -- ot) a) P 7 rt -- I did add your cell number B oO cause ' know what? number is blocked when I -. if I have to reach u very much, sir. EFTA00062026

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102 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Bucaren. Pos Ea Brianna Rose Burton, Transcriber EFTA00062028

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Copy - 6:19 Core - 4:5 Correctional - 6:12, 12:19, 66:23, 70:9 Couldn't - 9:8, 49:11, 59:6, 76:6, 77:16, 99:5 Count - 43:9, 74:12, 74:16, 74:19, 75:10, 75:14, 75:18 Counts - 76:4, 76:11, 76:17, 76:23, 78:5, 78:19, 78:25, 79:1, 79:5, 79:11, 85:20, 97:25, 98:9 Couple - 25:19, 26:13, 57:20, 61:25, 65:21 Course - 99:21 Court - 29:6, 29:11, 29:24, 30:21, 34:15, 41:16, 42:14, 46:14 Cover - 83:23 CPR - 88:14 Currently - 5:9, 101:8 Custody - 35:9, 39:10 Darden - i. 50:21, 59:11 Data - 50:3 Date - 49:14, 77:22 Dated - 16:22, 74:9 Days - 57:20, 61:3, 61:4, 61:9, 61:25, 77:1 Dead - 64:8, 88:16, 88:20, 89:2 Deals - 71:16 Death - 3:24, 4:3, 62:9, 71:25, 72:9, 72:11 Deceased - 67:24 December - 5:13, 5:14 Decides - 60:10 Decision - 10:17, 14:5, 14:8, 14:10, 44:2, 53:12 Definitely - 98:10 Delivered - 52:5 Departed - 65:8 Department - 3:18, 30:17, 82:8, 83:20, 83:24, 84:1, 84:18 Departments - 30:1 5 Departs - 29:5 Described - 68:7 Detention - 39:17 Determination - 29: 21 Determine - 63:9, 89:15 Developed - 24:11 Devices - 49:22 Dialed - 64:23 Died - 98:6 Dies - 89:8 Different - 9:21, 27:12, 30:15, 34:16, 82:22, 83:2, 84:22, 95:22 Digital - 50:4 Diminished - 95:17 Dinner - 81:18, 101:4 Direction - 5:20 Directive - 94:12 Directives - 94:5 Directly - 6:16 Director - 5:22, 6:4, 6:7, 7:5, 9:10, 37:18, 53:8, 70:16, 70:23, 97:7, 97:9 Disagree - 90:21 Discharge - 30:17, 34:2, 34:20, 35:9, 40:6 Discipline - 87:17 Disconnected - 92: 14 Discovered - 78:19 Discrepancies - 37: 25 Discussing - 10:4 Disregard - 39:20 Distributed - 93:25 Division - 70:16 Doctor - 50:15, 59:2, 89:17, 89:18 Document - 20:21, 20:22, 60:8, 83:13 Documented - 52:1 7, 93:6 Documents - 29:21, 35:20, 47:22, 49:10 Doesn't - 15:11, 20:3, 30:21, 33:7, 42:16, 54:20, 68:15, 73:8, 91:15, 95:17, 100:11 DOJ/OIG - 3:21 Dozen - 11:24, 12:9, 12:10 Drug - 71:15 Due - 17:3, 56:1 Duties - 6:6 Duty - 62:10, 62:25, 82:2, 82:3, 82:4, 82:7, 82:9, 83:5, 84:2, 84:10 DVR - 56:2 Dvrs - 49:22, 52:4 a Each - 18:24, 19:4, 19:17, 80:12, 83:9, 83:19, 84:6, 84:18 Ears - 83:6 + 21:6, 21:7, 21:16, 21:22, 50:15, 59:2 Education - 83:24 Effectuate - 93:11 Efrain - 14:5, 25:1, 30:13, 40:1 Either/Or - 22:13 Emails - 23:1, 30:6, 34:15, 34:18, 39:4, 74:5, 76:1 Emergency - 69:9, 88:14, 88:16 Employee - 63:12 Employees - 4:7 Enjoy - 101:4 Ensure - 21:14, 94:4, 94:7, 94:13 Ensuring - 93:20 Entail - 6:7 Entails - 84:23 Enter - 24:8 Entered - 17:25, 18:14, 22:5, 24:1, 88:12 Epstein's - i. 14:6, 16:25, 25:1, 25:2, 46:10, 52:9, 64:19 Equipment - 61:20 Equipped - 89:25, 91:9 Escorted - 33:24 Established - 94:13 Everybody - 39:20, 43:22, 45:3, 47:23 Everything - 6:13, 54:7, 55:20, 56:17, 57:10, 59:16, 60:6, 85:6, 86:10, 87:23 Example - 28:6 Except - 67:23 Excuses - 40:19 Existed - 90:7 Expect - 85:23 Expectation - 85:9, 85:15 Expected - 42:6 Experience - 56:16 Experts - 61:19, 61:20 Expired - 89:15 Explain - 57:19 Explained - 43:7, 78:11 Explains - 60:1 Extreme - 54:22, 61:22 Eyes - 83:5 es | Face - 18:10 Facilities - 6:9, §1:19, 53:10, 53:11, 53:16, 53:20, 56:20, 61:19, 83:20, 83:21, 84:4, 90:12 Facility - 14:8, 59:22, 60:10, 60:17, 82:9, 82:13, 85:11, 89:12, 90:17 Factors - 93:1, 98:3 Fail - 94:13 Failed - 96:22, 96:25 Failure - 4:7, 52:20, 56:2, 93:7, 97:13 Family - 69:9 Far - 11:10, 12:20, 21:25, 26:12, 57:6 FBI - 36:24, 50:7, 57:23 Feasible - 93:10 Fight - 60:15 Figure - 28:22 Final - 94:3, 98:14 Finalize - 7:6 Finalized - 37:21 Finalizing - 23:3 Find - 32:6, 37:12 Finding - 76:20 Findings - 15:10, 15:13 Fine - 7:17, 12:13, 73:24, 77:8, 77:10, 81:23 First - 37:7, 51:4, 60:17, 61:17, 65:11, 77:5 Fix - 61:4 Fixed - 59:12, 59:16, 61:5, 61:13, 61:15, 61:16, 61:22 Fly - 81:10 Follow - 38:1, 78:9, 94:15, 96:23, 96:25 Following - 10:9 Food - 83:24 Footage - 50:12, 59:3 Forget - 18:23, 63:15, 99:10 Forgot - 6:23, 7:2 Form - 18:22, 18:25, 19:4, 19:16, 20:11, 21:1, 40:6 Formal - 20:11 Forms - 40:5 Forth - 23:3 Forward - 49:1, 94:14 Found - 8:14, 26:1, 52:19, 58:18, 60:23, 62:20, 64:8, 64:20, 66:11, 74:10, 74:11, 75:3, 75:8, 76:14, 88:20, 88:23 Four - 90:14 Further - 63:8, 98:21 a | Game - 68:20 Gave - 63:21 General - 3:19, 21:12, 90:16 GEO - 30:8, 35:1 Gestures - 17:4 Get - 33:12, 33:14, 34:4, 34:5, 34:8, 40:24, 51:20, 53:8, 61:13, 61:22, 70:6, 88:17, 89:4, 100:4 Gets - 25:13 Give - 63:17, 100:23 Given - 66:4 Gives - 83:11 Gone - 44:24, 48:7, 96:12 Good - 3:2, 3:9, 42:18, 43:16, 52:13, 86:22 Got - 28:6, 28:14, 34:11, 35:18, 45:21, 45:24, 46:23, 49:4, 50:12, 53:14, 61:21, 71:20, 78:10, 87:17, 91:22, 92:18, 100:22 Gotcha - 24:23, 62:18, 62:23, 73:18 Greatly - 99:23 Guess - 5:17, 18:20, 28:7, 61:24, 76:6, 77:16, 79:4, 86:22, 98:14 EFTA00062030

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Guidance - 9:24, 90:2, 91:12 Guys - 27:8, 27:11, 50:8, 77:14, 78:5, 101:5 a Hadn't - 48:15, 65:19 Half - 6:2, 8:6, 10:22, 11:2, 11:15, 12:7, 13:17, 22:17, 28:2, 38:19, 69:19, 77:21 Handed - 64:24, 68:4 Hang - 8:19, 9:1 Happening - 71:18, 71:19, 85:12 Hard - 18:9 Hashed - 27:8 Haven't - 13:4, 22:17, 49:13 Head - 69:22, 70:9, 82:8, 83:20, 83:24, 84:19 Hear - 89:6, 99:24, 99:25 Heard - 13:4, 42:17, 50:5, 50:6, 65:13, 65:19, 72:13, 72:14, 73:19, 73:20, 82:20 Hearing - 51:5, 65:10, 65:12, 65:18, 73:22, 84:22, 88:22 Hectic - 75:24 Help - 15:14, 16:8, 16:9, 16:15, 37:21 Helpful - 99:6 Helping - 23:5 Helps - 16:21 Hey - 3:3, 13:9, 25:13, 37:17, 40:21, 48:25, 59:20, 61:12, 94:25 Hi - 3:7 High - 9:14 History - 52:20, 56:1 Hold - 38:2, 100:5 Holler - 86:1 Honestly - 60:1, 60:4, 67:3, 75:19 Hope - 20:9 Hospital - 89:5 Hot - 19:6, 19:9, 19:12, 19:14, 23:9, 23:19, 24:10, 25:5, 28:17 Hour - 96:19 Hourly - 39:18 Hours - 61:21, 82:10 House - 17:15 Housed - 13:22, 17:1, 17:3, 23:10, 90:1, 91:11, 93:11, 93:15, 98:2 Housing - 19:5, 21:24, 24:13, 68:14, 68:25, 69:14, 70:1, 70:24, 88:8 Housings - 68:22 How're - 3:7 a Identified - 25:19, 26:8, 26:9, 26:18, 30:5 IDO - 82:21, 83:12, 83:16, 83:23 Idos - 83:8 Imagine - 27:24, 37:5, 75:24 Immediately - 52:9, 61:5 Important - 59:21, 60:2, 60:7, 60:12, 94:3 Inaccurate - 33:17, 70:21 Inappropriate - 8:6 Incidents - 7:19, 69:4, 84:9 Individually - 93:24 Initiated - 88:14 Inmates - 17:16, 23:10, 23:19, 24:12, 26:13, 26:25, 28:15, 30:23, 39:21, 66:2, 71:11, 79:17, 85:3, 85:22, 85:25, 89:8, 89:10, 93:2 Inside - 17:9, 18:9, 18:11, 89:11 Inspector - 3:19 Installed - 52:9, 54:13, 54:19, 54:21, 55:1, 55:17, 55:24, 56:13, 56:19, 57:17, 58:4, 58:7, 58:11, 58:16 Institution - 13:2, 13:5, 29:7, 29:12, 34:21, 42:5, 46:11, 62:10, 62:25, 82:1, 82:7, 83:10, 84:10, 89:3, 93:20 Institutional - 43:9, 82:2, 82:4 Institutionally - 41: 17 Institutions - 60:5 Instruct - 65:4 Instructed - 67:9, 93:24 Instructions - 11:4 Intake - 40:4 Intentionally - 99:1 0 Intentions - 19:20 Internal - 31:9, 42:10 Interrupt - 77:7 Interview - 4:12, 4:16, 12:6, 46:25, 63:20, 64:1, 64:3, 101:9 Interviews - 4:17, 46:23, 49:6, 63:8 Investigating - 12:5 Investigation - 3:24 , 4:6, 4:18, 6:19, 12:1, 30:5, 33:17, 36:24, 37:2, 41:2, 50:14, 63:21, 74:3, 91:20, 96:8, 99:16 Investigators - 33:1 1 Isn't - 45:15 Issue - 74:16, 75:18 Issued - 66:9 Issues - 11:20, 76:10, 93:5 I've - 31:6, 38:3, 42:17, 65:17 Jail - 28:5 Job - 4:6, 11:22, 47:24 Jog - 15:14, 16:15 Judge - 13:10, 28:10 Judges - 12:21, 13:1 July - 7:24, 10:9, 10:11, 58:22 Jump - 16:9, 49:17, 80:17 Jumps - 48:22 Jurisdiction - 89:17 Justice - 3:18 a Knowing - 56:8, 56:9, 76:9 Knowledge - 60:21 Known - 34:9, 39:11, 47:10 Knows - 22:19 Large - 36:23 Later - 13:18, 26:1, 54:21, 61:14, 92:13 Lawyer - 40:13, 40:15 Lawyers - 12:21, 13:1 Lead - 58:15 Leadership - 20:1, 20:3, 20:6, 20:7 Leading - 54:17 Learn - 37:19, 76:3, 77:14, 77:20 Learned - 41:16, 50:14, 73:2, 76:7, 77:12, 78:25 Leave - 46:11 Leaving - 31:16, 31:18, 38:7, 41:23, 47:9 Led - 68:9, 98:11 Left - 17:13, 31:25, 32:1, 33:22, 64:25, 90:7 Leg - 29:18 Legal - 64:23, 66:1, 66:3, 66:5, 66:20, 66:22, 67:2, 67:4, 71:8 Legit - 53:8, 69:22 Legitimate - 9:2, 9:3, 27:15 Lengthy - 92:21 Let's - 11:22, 16:21, 31:12, 37:18, 46:4, 88:3 Lieutenants - 34:22 , 38:7, 39:10, 86:5, 86:7, 87:16, 87:19, 93:24 Lieutenants’ - 87:5 Lieutenant's - 79:1 6, 79:21 Likelihood - 32:14, 33:8 Limited - 36:16, 36:25, 37:1, 37:3 Line - 3:5, 14:23, 14:24, 63:2, 63:6, 64:23, 66:1, 66:3, 66:20, 66:22, 80:12 Lines - 46:12 Lingo - 42:10 List - 15:15, 19:6, 19:9, 19:12, 19:14, 19:18, 23:9, 23:19, 24:10, 25:5, 27:7, 27:12, 27:17, 28:2, 28:17, 30:22, 47:5, 83:22 Listed - 33:23, 41:21, 43:5, 47:6 Lists - 19:17, 29:4 Loaded - 18:8 Local - 14:8, 42:10 Locally - 44:1 Location - 87:21 Log - 67:5, 67:11, 67:17, 69:3, 69:4, 79:16, 80:7, 80:10, 80:12, 80:14 Logbooks - 87:18 Logged - 67:6 Logs - 79:21 Long - 5:15, 5:21, 55:24, 61:10, 66:6, 68:21, 99:6 Longer - 81:9 Look - 51:18, 87:21 Looked - 23:1, 29:20, 30:4, 49:15, §3:11 Looking - 20:23, 49:9, 79:9, 79:20 Lost - 38:3 Lot - 14:20, 23:2, 23:7, 34:13, 36:8, 37:4, 40:18, 41:13, 54:17, 57:9, 58:9, 81:11, 90:17, 95:22 Lowered - 93:15 Cm) a Main - 83:15 Making - 14:25, 44:2, 96:3 Male - 68:2 Man - 64:24 Manager - 53:17, 56:20, 64:11 Managers - 83:25 Many - 94:2, 96:22 EFTA00062031

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Marshals - 30:6, 34:19, 39:5, 40:2 Mass - 93:25, 94:6 Meals - 19:20 Means - 31:18, 41:22, 42:8, 43:7, 43:23, 87:7, 87:10, 87:11 Meant - 17:12 Medical - 19:20, 88:13 Meet - 81:18 Member - 85:17 Members - 86:9 Memo - 18:7, 20:8, 21:2 Memorandum - 19: Met - 94:5 Metropolitan - 6:12, 12:19 Midnight - 75:10 Million - 54:25, 75:25 Missing - 37:12 Money - 53:22, 92:7 Monitor - 65:4, 66:24, 67:11, 82:13 Monitored - 67:18, 68:12, 68:14, 69:1, 69:12, 71:8, 71:10 Monitoring - 85:11, 90:15 Months - 25:22 Morning - 31:24, 39:19, 40:3, 74:22, 75:4 Mother - 64:17, 65:25, 67:23 Mouth - 26:11 Mouths - 58:5 Move - 62:6, 73:25, 81:6 Moved - 10:18, 97:20 Much - 3:11, 81:9, 95:1, 95:16, 100:25 Multiple - 89:24, 91:9, 96:24 a Named - 46:5 Names - 26:25, 28:3, 28:8, 28:12, 28:25 Neck - 8:15 Needed - 23:10, 48:14, 53:14, 53:18, 54:16, 54:23 New - 31:20, 32:6, 34:4, 34:5, 34:8, 52:3, 54:12, 56:19, 65:15, 89:20 News - 99:25 Night - 74:20, 75:2, 76:18, 79:5, 82:11, 84:6 Nighttime - 40:15 Nobody - 82:6 Non - 82:9 Northeast - 6:9, 6:10, 6:14 Notation - 17:23, 23:23 Notations - 17:24, 18:13, 23:24 Note - 18:11, 22:22 Noted - 19:22, 93:6 Notification - 20:15, 30:12, 31:11, 51:5, 59:20 Notified - 8:22, 19:24, 20:6, 20:7, 20:19, 32:24, 32:25, 45:18, 45:22, 48:9, 50:20, 51:15, 59:19 Notify - 20:1, 31:13 Co) Observation - 10:11 , 10:13, 12:23, 13:12, 94:11 Observations - 83: 14 Obtained - 6:19, 35:5 Occurred - 93:7 Occurring - 93:14 October - 52:5, 53:4, 101:9 Odds - 93:12 Offender - 63:14 Offenders - 19:13 Offender's - 19:17 Office - 3:19, 10:16, 12:18, 51:15, 53:21, 68:24, 70:2, 70:10, 87:19 Officer - 19:23, 20:12, 32:12, 53:20, 62:10, 63:1, 66:23, 82:3, 82:5, 82:7, 83:5, 84:2, 86:19, 89:8 Officers - 18:2, 18:18, 20:4, 20:7, 24:2, 32:14, 82:2, 84:10, 85:6, 94:1 Officer's - 20:2 OIC - 22:9, 22:11, 22:19, 28:13, 32:2, 32:3, 33:24, 34:3, 41:4, 44:5, 44:6, 96:4, 96:10, 96:24, 97:13 OIG - 3:23, 36:24, 63:21 Ones - 12:1, 17:20 Ongoing - 99:15 Onsite - 29:19, 58:10 Operating - 17:15, 49:23 Operations - 21:21, 44:24, 45:11, 45:13, 46:6, 47:4, 47:16, 47:18, 47:19, 48:2, 48:4, 82:13, 82:22, 83:4 Ops - 45:8, 96:11, 96:13 Order - 55:19 Ordered - 52:3, 55:12 Orders - 51:18, 52:2 Outcome - 95:20 Overnight - 76:16, 76:17 Oversight - 6:11 Oversighted - 6:8 Own - 38:4, 63:13, 98:17 a Pack - 64:20, 66:11 Participating - 7:3 Parts - 12:15, 15:15, 52:4, 54:16, 55:12, 57:9 Pass - 48:3, 97:14 Passed - 7:16, 48:16 Past - 87:17 People - 14:21, 25:19, 27:6, 27:12, 27:18, 27:19, 28:5, 34:13, 34:21, 35:7, 41:14, 66:21, 81:18, 94:2, 100:1 People's - 40:19, 58:5 - mz PS Performance - 4:6 Period - 61:10 Periods - 57:3 Person - 14:22, 14:24, 22:14, 27:18, 27:20, 63:20, 64:4, 68:1, 70:5, 89:15 Personal - 99:4 Personally - 93:23, 94:19 Physician - 88:16 Pick - 39:19 Picked - 68:2 PIN - 64:20, 66:8, 66:11, 68:15, 69:2, 69:13, 71:1 Place - 19:1, 19:21, 23:14, 38:1, 51:21, 55:20, 69:12 Placed - 10:10, 10:13, 13:12, 13:20, 32:21, 63:5, 75:3, 90:4, 90:14, 93:8, 94:9 Plan - 24:25, 25:13, 27:17 Plans - 40:6 Plots - 71:15 Plugged - 64:22, 66:1 Points - 36:9, 78:18 Policy - 22:15, 22:17, 24:19, 29:1, 47:22, 69:16, 85:8, 89:1 Political - 11:23 Poor - 86:13 Position - 5:19, 83:17 Positions - 83:22 Positive - 36:23 Post - 16:22 Potentially - 68:9 PP - 42:2, 42:21 Pre - 42:1, 43:6, 43:7, 43:12 PREA - 90:11 Press - 11:19 Previous - 8:1, 17:4, 66:8 Prior - 51:16, 52:22, 65:11, 71:25, 72:9, 72:10 Priority - 56:7, 61:7 Prison - 30:8, 59:22, 71:18, 89:8 Prisons - 6:8, 6:16 Privacy - 92:9 Problem - 49:12, 61:18, 78:1, 100:24 Problematic - 48:6 Problems - 89:4 Procedure - 14:3, 17:15 Production - 47:5 Profile - 9:14 Program - 18:1, 18:15, 18:22, 24:1, 24:3, 24:7, 24:22 Programs - 21:21 Pronounce - 89:18 Pronounced - 88:1 5, 88:20, 88:24, 89:2, 89:11 Properly - 49:23 Protocol - 17:14 Provide - 9:24, 12:16, 25:8, 63:13, 80:24, 96:14 Provided - 27:7, 28:13, 28:25, 29:1, 29:14, 62:9, 62:25, 64:13, 89:19, 96:20 Providing - 11:4 Psych - 10:13, 19:13, 23:19, 24:12 Psychological - 10: 11, 12:23, 13:12 Psychology - 13:21 , 24:11, 93:25, 94:10 Pull - 60:18 Putting - 98:9 [a Quick - 81:8 Quicker - 81:15 Quote - 23:24 Quoted - 32:9 es R&D - 30:17, 30:21, 43:6 Range - 61:12, 85:10, 85:13, 85:21, 85:25, 87:9 Rare - 92:11 Rarely - 89:11 Rather - 16:9 Raymond - 4:24 Reach - 100:21 Reached - 9:15, 13:10, 44:12 Reads - 74:10 Realized - 59:5 Reason - 12:4, 22:22, 22:23, 30:3, 37:11, 46:25, 63:9, 71:2, 77:23, 78:2, 87:20, 91:4, 91:18, 91:19, 98:3, 98:16, 98:19 EFTA00062032

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Recalled - 78:23 Recalls - 12:20 Receive - 12:20, 35:8, 94:8 Received - 39:4, §2:25 Receiving - 30:16, 34:1, 34:20, 35:9, 39:11 Recently - 13:13 Recommended - 13 121 Reconcile - 33:18, 34:13 Recorded - 4:16, 4:17, 63:12, 69:1, 70:2, 71:7, 90:10 Recorders - 50:8 Recording - 49:19, 49:22, 50:17, 58:22, 59:1, 60:23, 60:25, 70:25, 89:25, 91:10 Recordings - 58:25 Recover - 50:9 Recreation - 19:20 Referencing - 24:4, 24:6 Referred - 19:8 Reflect - 88:11 Regards - 6:22, 10:17, 11:5, 27:21, 67:10, 70:6, 78:24 Region - 6:9, 6:10, 13:3, 53:21 Regional - 5:20, §:22, 6:3, 6:7, 7:4, 9:10, 37:18, 53:8, 70:22, 97:6, 97:9 Register - 32:15 Released - 28:6, 28:7, 28:10, 31:4 Relief - 32:13, 48:9, 48:17 Relieved - 97:20 Relieving - 48:4, 97:17 Rely - 60:6 Remove - 43:6, 43:7, 43:12 Removed - 10:12, 12:22, 13:11, 25:2, 25:14, 25:20, 28:14, 32:5, 41:9, 41:10, 42:1, 42:5, 74:25, 90:18, 92:13, 94:10 Replace - 51:21 Replaced - 51:24 Replacement - 56:3 Replacements - 53: 1 Reported - 6:15, 16:24, 33:16, 51:3, 88:9 Reporting - 84:8 Reports - 83:12, 84:11 Representatives - 5 6:15 Request - 53:19, 64:10, 79:8 Requested - 17:1, §2:25 Require - 32:17, 33:2, 68:15, 69:2, 83:22, 93:2 Required - 4:17, 14:14, 22:14, 24:19, 25:8, 30:11, 30:18, 68:25, 69:15, 83:10, 85:2, 85:7, 86:7, 89:17, 90:24 Requirement - 14:1 6, 17:24, 18:13, 19:23, 23:25, 28:17, 40:8, 40:9, 89:20, 94:4 Requirements - 90: 10, 94:6 Requiring - 25:4, 68:22 Rescue - 89:13, 89:19 Response - 34:7, 78:7, 80:23 Responsible - 14:1 5, 14:18, 14:21, 14:25, 22:6, 31:19, 44:4, 47:20, 47:21, 53:16, 56:18, 94:4, 96:3 Restraints - 90:15 Restrictive - 24:13 Result - 50:1, 50:10 Resuscitate - 89:9 Resuscitation - 89: 14 Retire - 5:12 Retired - 5:19, 50:5, 50:6 Retrieve - 50:3 Return - 29:6, 32:22, 41:15 Returned - 33:3 Returning - 32:16, 32:17, 33:2, 33:8, 33:9 Revealed - 41:3 Reviewed - 52:3, 60:13, 74:3 Reviewing - 6:21, 7:8, 32:6, 47:22 Reviews - 22:25, 60:19 a - Risk - 93:1 Rolling - 46:1 Room - 88:16 Rope - 8:14 Roster - 43:9 Rotate - 84:2 Round - 84:23, 85:2, 85:3, 85:4, 85:16, 85:17, 87:4, 87:6, 87:8 Rounds - 76:4, 76:10, 76:15, 76:17, 76:21, 76:23, 77:12, 77:15, 78:19, 79:1, 84:21, 85:9, 87:11, 97:25, 98:8 Routine - 17:21, 79:8 Routinely - 83:9 Rumors - 13:8, 72:13, 89:7 Run - 54:23, 55:21, 92:18 [Cs] Safe - 94:13 Safety - 68:6 Satisfactory - 83:13 , 83:15 Saturday - 75:4 Saw - 47:10, 75:21, 80:10, 80:11, 82:20 Scale - 36:23 Schedule - 84:2, 84:4 Scheduled - 51:24 Second - 35:6 Secondary - 25:13 Security - 4:7, 60:13 See - 11:17, 12:11, 18:9, 33:5, 37:16, 37:19, 50:9, 53:24, 57:18, 79:18, 80:12, 86:16, 86:20, 87:22, 88:4, 97:10 Seeing - 20:20 Seen - 49:13 Select - 86:6 Selected - 27:18 Selecting - 9:4 Selection - 9:6, 9:11, 93:2 Senior - 3:4, 3:22, 15:21, 16:14 Sent - 17:6, 29:20, 30:6, 30:16, 31:1, §3:19, 75:19, 75:21, 75:25, 79:5 Sentry - 88:10 Separate - 19:9, 19:12, 27:21, 73:13 Separated - 21:20 September - 5:24 Serious - 68:5 Service - 30:6, 34:19, 39:5, 83:24 Services - 24:11, 55:7, 70:9 Set - 58:1, 64:20, 66:11, 66:14, 90:2, 91:12 Sexual - 60:16 Sheets - 87:4 Shift - 32:10, 47:20, 48:16, 97:17 Shifts - 96:24 Shouldn't - 55:17, 71:16, 89:2, 91:2 Show - 18:10 Showed - 39:19, 54:20, 88:18 Shower - 64:22 Showing - 42:2, 80:6 Shown - 40:3, 83:14 Shows - 33:17, 79:16, 79:25, 82:1 Shut - 57:3 Sign - 68:6, 87:4 Signature - 87:5 Signet - 55:3, 55:4, 57:20 Significant - 60:17, 87:17 Significantly - 93:1 5 Signs - 88:19 Simply - 46:25, 69:21 Single - 17:1 SIS - 50:14 Sit - 11:13, 12:6, 13:16, 20:25, 24:16 Sitting - 53:2, 54:5, 54:8, 54:11, 66:23 Situation - 12:7, 24:25, 55:19, 68:8, 89:13 Skip - 15:14, 87:25 a Slash - 10:13 Social - 62:9, 62:25 Sound - 9:1, 73:8 Sounded - 91:3 Sp - 70:17, 71:15 Speaker - 67:4 Special - 3:4, 3:18, 3:22, 15:21, 16:14, 19:5, 21:24, 68:14, 68:22, 68:25, 69:14, 70:1, 70:24, 88:8 Specific - 15:12, 23:24, 24:20, 35:4, 47:3, 51:22, 91:8 Specifies - 22:16 Spelled - 5:5 Spoken - 78:6 Squad - 89:13, 89:19 Staff - 9:25, 11:5, 14:15, 16:23, 17:2, 22:5, 23:8, 24:7, 25:7, 29:19, 39:10, 76:24, 85:5, 85:17, 86:9, 88:9, 88:11, 93:19, 94:3 Stake - 71:15 Stance - 95:15 Standard - 14:3, 17:15 Start - 38:11, 89:14 Started - 6:18, 21:17, 41:11, 44:2, 44:10, 44:13, 90:8, 97:22 Stating - 13:9 Status - 9:14, 62:1, 88:22 Stay - 82:10, 84:5 Step - 16:21 Steps - 97:22 Stood - 65:22 Stop - 85:23, 86:2 Stopped - 58:21 Straight - 44:25, 84:7 Subsequently - 18: 1, 18:15, 24:1 Suicide - 8:11, 10:10, 10:12, 12:22, 17:4, 17:16, 76:19, 90:16, 93:11, 95:15, 95:16 Suicides - 11:24 Summary - 62:8 Supervisor - 45:3, 45:7, 45:14, 45:15, 82:5, 82:8 Supervisors - 56:21 Supervisory - 16:23 Supplement - 83:10 Supposed - 68:12, 85:10, 86:8 EFTA00062033

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Supposedly - 59:11 Surrounding - 4:3 Surrounds - 33:10 System - 19:10, 52:4, 52:20, 54:12, 55:8, 56:2, 56:3, 56:19, 58:21, 58:25, 59:12, 59:16, 59:22, 63:14, 63:15, 63:16, 69:5, 70:4, 94:13 Taking - 3:3, 3:11, 41:11, 98:24 Tapes - 50:4 Team - 29:19, 46:20, 49:4 Tech - 56:21, 59:10 Technical - 42:11 Technically - 40:11, 41:9, 41:15 Technology - 91:22 Techs - 55:10 Telephone - 63:16, 70:3 Telling - 34:3, 48:13, 69:17, 73:5, 86:5 Term - 8:7, 42:11, 42:17, 47:3 Terms - 9:4, 14:25, 58:19 Terroristic - 91:5 Terrorists - 90:9 Thanks - 3:3, 101:5 Therefore - 64:21 There's - 22:8, 22:13, 25:14, 83:21 These - 15:13, 16:13, 41:14, 52:6, 79:1, 80:16, 81:12, 90:1, 90:3, 90:5, 91:11, 91:12, 93:5 They're - 12:4 They've - 19:19 Thousand - 78:13 Three - 27:12, 27:18, 28:2, 28:8, 32:11, 84:18 Timeframe - 5:25 Timeline - 88:5, 89:24 Timely - 94:8 Times - 78:13, 84:18 Title - 83:18 Today ~ 21:1, 54:20, 96:2 Tomorrow - 54:21 Took - 57:24, 64:21 Topic - 48:21, 48:24, 49:17, 62:7 Tough - 88:3 Track - 38:4 Train - 38:4 Transferred - 29:11, 29:24, 30:8, 30:13, 35:1, 39:7, 39:12, 41:10, 42:13 Transitions - 84:21 Transpired - 31:1, 64:5 Treat - 9:21 Truly - 94:7 Tuesday - 84:3, 84:5, 84:7 Turned - 36:23 Typically - 9:9, 9:10, 22:13, 22:19, 24:5, 82:8, 82:10, 83:20, 89:12, 90:13, 92:10 a Ultimate - 94:18, 94:24 Unblocked - 100:23 Understood - 10:24 , 49:16, 62:3, 69:20, 71:4, 71:17, 100:19 Unfortunately - 37: 1, 92:6 Unit - 64:11, 83:25, 88:8 Units - 70:1, 87:20 Unknown - 56:10 Unless - 56:13 Unlikely - 95:3 Unmonitored - 63:1 , 63:6 Unofficial - 89:1 Unresponsive - 88: 10 Unusual - 56:14, 57:15 Used - 49:11, 90:24, 91:25, 92:8, 92:11, 92:16 Using - 69:13 Utilize - 90:3, 91:12 Utilized - 91:1 a Variables - 57:9 Verify - 36:10, 36:19 Video - 36:10, 59:3, 89:25, 91:9 View - 60:22 Violating - 92:8 Violation - 68:6, 90:11 Violations - 91:4 Visit - 32:19, 33:3, 83:9 Vital - 94:5 Voluntary - 4:11 Cw) WAB - 30:24, 31:18, 33:23, 43:13, 43:23, 44:6, 47:3, 47:6, 47:10, 96:10 Wait - 52:24, 89:4 Waiting - 55:14, 56:4, 81:19 Wake - 88:12 Walk - 82:6 Wardens - 61:18 Watch - 10:10, 10:12, 12:23, 17:16, 17:18, 17:20, 90:16 Ways - 95:23 Week - 61:14, 82:11 Weekend - 82:20 Weekends - 82:12 We're - 27:24, 34:12, 38:25, 39:2, 39:3, 88:1 Weren't - 36:10, 49:19, 77:12, 97:25 We've - 41:16, 50:14, 52:3, 60:5, 96:2, 96:19 What's - 50:3, 85:12 Whole - 27:20, 77:24, 92:20 Who's - 15:19 Wire - 54:23 Wires - 55:21 Word - 50:3 Words - 26:10, 30:24, 58:5 Work - 5:15, 29:18, 47:19, 51:18, 52:2, 55:19, 56:22, 59:22, 61:17, 84:6 Worked - 4:8, 31:6 Working - 50:22, 51:6, 51:15, 61:12, 69:5 Works - 55:6, 70:8 World - 77:24 Worry - 34:3 Wouldn't - 9:20, 57:17, 87:1, 87:19, 95:4 Wow - 5:18 Writing - 20:20, 24:18, 91:23, 92:16 Written - 29:2, 94:12 Wrote - 43:13 Year - 6:1, 6:2, 11:24, 52:22, 54:2, 54:21, 84:18 Years - 5:17, 8:6, 10:23, 11:2, 11:15, 12:7, 13:17, 13:18, 22:18, 28:2, 38:19, 42:19, 69:19, 77:21 Yesterday - 3:17, 8:3, 11:13 York - 89:21 You're - 10:22, 11:1, 11:22, 18:3, 51:4, §2:24, 57:8, 59:23, 81:14, 99:8 Yours - 94:18 You've - 92:18 Yup - 99:24 Co) 18 - 5:24 19 - 5:23 "92 - 5:16 ‘Inmate - 17:2 a 00:05:49 - 10:2 00:06:52 - 11:7 00:10:02 - 15:3 00:12:03 - 18:6 00:13:26 - 19:19 00:14:09 - 20:13 00:14:15 - 20:16 00:27:00 - 35:24 00:27:20 - 36:22 00:27:31 - 37:2 00:27:42 - 37:9 00:28:36 - 38:20 00:28:37 - 38:22 00:35:41 - 49:8 00:39:38 - 54:11 00:40:58 - 56:6 00:41:58 - 57:12, 57:14 00:42:52 - 58:20 00:44:48 - 61:3 00:47:14 - 63:23 00:49:52 - 67:14 00:50:52 - 68:18 00:52:32 - 70:17 00:53:21 - 71:15 00:57:10 - 77:3 00:58:42 - 79:14 01:00:49 - 82:17 01:09:05 - 92:2 01:12:38 - 96:16 01:15:25 - 101:2 a 10:00 - 32:12 10th - 49:20, 51:16, 59:13, 74:9, 74:21, 75:4, 75:11, 76:5, 76:25, 88:7 11:59 - 79:17 12:00 - 74:12, 75:11, 79:24 13th - 101:9 19 -51:19 a 2:00 - 32:11, 32:12 20 - 81:21 2018 - 52:6, 53:4, 53:25 2019 - 5:13, 5:14, 6:4, 7:24, 32:10, 50:16, 51:16, 52:11, 62:8, 62:15, 74:9, 76:5, 88:7 2021 - 101:9 23rd - 7:24, 10:9 27 - 5:17 28 - 5:17, 42:19 292 - 18:22, 19:2, 19:16, 20:13, 22:5, 23:15, 24:4, 24:17, 25:5 292s - 24:8 29th - 58:22 a 3:00 - 74:13, 75:11 30th - 10:12 38 - 42:2 38s - 42:22 a 4:00 - 32:13 a 6:00 - 32:11 6:25 - 101:8 6:30 - 75:6 6:33 - 88:7, 88:19 rs 7:00 - 40:16, 40:24, 62:9, 62:24 7:36 - 88:15, 88:20 EFTA00062034

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72 - 74:12, 75:15, 79:25, 80:8, 80:11 73 - 74:12, 75:15, 79:17, 80:6, 80:10 8:00 - 29:4, 32:13, 82:10 8:38 - 43:6 - 32:15 8th - 30:7, 31:21, 31:23, 34:16, 34:25, 35:7, 39:15, 50:16, §1:2, 51:3, 51:7, 51:11, 59:1, 59:20, 60:24 a 9/11 - 90:8, 90:18 9:00 - 82:11 9th - 29:4, 30:8, 31:24, 32:10, 38:23, 48:11, 49:20, 62:8, 62:15, 64:7, 75:1, 75:2, 76:4, 76:25 EFTA00062035