THE STATE OF FLORIDA, COUNTY OF PALM BEACH. IN RE: PALM BEACH INVESTIGATION. / SWORN STATEMENT iii 2005 November 21, Monday, 12:25 p.m. - 1:05 p.m. 401 N. Dixie Highway West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Susan Shelling, RPR Notary Public, State of Florida Consor & Associates Reporting and Transcription Phone - 561.835.9738 J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000529 EFTA00029390

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APPEARANCES: On behalf of the State: DALIAH H. WEISS, Esquire 3 ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY 401 North Dixie Highway 4 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 561.355.7100 On behalf of the Witness: 6 DONNIE MURRELL, Esquire L.D. MURRELL, P.A. 7 400 Executive Center Drive Suite 202 8 West Palm Beach, Florida 33409 561.686.2700 ALSO PRESENT: DETECTIVE Palm Beach Police Department J, CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000530 EFTA00029391

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c: 3 EXAMINATION BY DET. | | 4 --- nN 5 NO EXHIBITS MARKED 6 - - «= J, CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000531 EFTA00029392

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1 Sworn statement taken before Susan 2 Shelling, Registered Professional Reporter and Notary 3 Public in and for the State of Florida at Large, in the a above cause. 5 _ = - 6 Thereupon, 7 | a 8 having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined 9 and stated as follows: 10 MR. MURRELL: I just want to repeat that 11 we're here under the State investigative subpoena } 12 that was served -on ur. although it was 13 dated for, I believe, Wednesday or something. 14 This is Monday the 21st, and we are here by 15 agreement. 16 EXAMINATION 17 BY DET. a: 18 Q. - I'm Detective vith . 19 the Palm Beach P.D. As I explained to you on the 20 telephone, 1 am conducting an investigation on a former 121 r ver © ours 22 I just spoke with your wife and she told me 23 you guys worked for Mr. Epstein for eight years? 24 A. Yes, she did work for eight years. I | 25 worked longer. I was there before my wife came. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000532 EFTA00029393

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Page 5 Q. Before your wife came. x. I started full-time with him on January 1, 1991, and we both left December 31, 2002. So I worked eleven years exactly. Prior to that, prior to working full-time for him, I worked part-time for him, on-and-off basis. Q. What were your responsibilities? A. In the full-time basis, I started as a houseman, and I became a major domo and butler and everything else, driver, and did everything. We both did all the chores in the house, but I was in charge of the house. I was above my wife and above the cleaning crew, the gardners, pool people. So I was house manager, major domo. You would have been the go-to guy for the Yes. And the one who would get the blame. We are talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Of course. Do you remember the address of the house? Was it in the beginning of the street -- At the end of the street, on the left-hand We're talking about the same house. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000533 EFTA00029394

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Page 6 Yeah. Your wife said the same number you did. 558? 358? S558? It was 358. We left three years ago. Q. And I understand it's been some time since then. So the questions I'm going to ask you basically is: During your time, did you deal directly with Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. And her -- and her -- girlfriend, manager. She was the manager of all the households, because he has homes all over the world. Q. Right. A. So we have -- she was my boss, and I deal directly with her. Q. Who was -- A. Elaine Maxwell. Q. Ms. Maxwell, that's his girlfriend, correct? A. down, she would inform you that they were coming down? A. Right. Q. Make arrangements to have the house ready? Right. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000534 EFTA00029395

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Page 7 Q. During the time that he was here, you prepared the house, did all the chores. Did you do any of the cleaning? A. Sometimes. Many times. I did -- last two or three years the work was so much that we have to hire -~ we hire a clean-up crew that they came twice a week or once a week, then it was twice a week. Depends upon his schedule, because he did not allow anybody at the house except us when he was in town. So when he was in town, it was just us doing the cleaning and the cooking, the driving, shopping, everything else. Q. Did you stay on property in the guest A. Yes and no. We had an apartment right across the bridge. We had an apartment sl mm and we had an apartment at the house. Q. Why would you stay at the house, then? A. We stay at the house mostly when he was there. When he was not in town, we went home. We went to our apartment. When he was there, it was -~ the job come back 5 o'clock in the morning. We would just stay and sleep and get up and work. Q. When he was in town, did he receive a lot of guests at the house? J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000535 EFTA00029396

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Page 8 f 1 A. Yes. Many, many, many guests. It was 2 never with no guests. a Q. Did he have assistants with him? 4 A. Assistants? At the last year he had an assistant just for him. They would travel with him all w 6 the time. At the last -- in the last two years of my 7 stay there, he also have 2 chef, a gourmet chef that he 8 would travel with him. That's it. 9 Q. Do you remember the chef's name? 10 A. There were quite a few. The last one I 12 New York. i3 And there was another French chet, 14 (phonetic); I don't know his last name. 15 And there was another English chef. But 16 they went quickly. 17 Q. They would come and go, come and go. 18 What about the assistant that was his 13 personal assistant that would fly with him? 20 A. PY It was an English girl 22 assistant. But most of the time it was Ms. Maxwell 23 traveled with him all the time. 24 Q. She was basically like his -- 25 A. Girlfriend, whatever it was. Boss, J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000536 EFTA00029397

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girlfriend. She was our immediate superior. Q. Did he have girls come over to give massages? A. Yes. Q. How many massages would he have in a day? A. Sometimes one, sometimes two, three. Q. Was it the same girl that would come back to do the massages? A. Yeah, yeah. Not the same girl -- I mean during eleven years, I probably saw a hundred, two hundred different massage therapists. Q. Did they seem young to you? A. No, sir. Mostly no. We saw one or two young ones in the last year. Before that, it was all adults. Q. During your last year when you were working with him, what do you mean that they looked young? Did they look like they were still in high school? A. I remember one girl was young. We never asked how old she was. It was not in my job. A. But I imagine she was 16, 17. In my judgment, she was 16, 17. Q. Where would these massages take place? A. All the time it was in his room. Sometimes }, CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000537 EFTA00029398

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Page 10 it was in the balcony of his quarters. His room has a wraparound balcony facing the pool. So the massages were in the balcony outside in the sun, or inside in his bathroom or her bathroom. Q. Would you set up the room for the massages? A. Many times. Yes, he will tell me, Set up the room inside my bathroom or in the bedroom or in Elaine's bathroom, or outside on the balcony. And I would go and set up or my wife would go and set up the table. We had a table in every room of the house, the massage tables, for the different guests. Because not only he got massages, all the other guests got massages too. So we have a table -- massage table in basically every room, guest room. Q. The girls that would come over to do massages, they would massage him first or massage guests? A. Different times. There were -- mostly they was his massage. Mostly he would get massages. Q. Would Ms. Maxwell be in the room with him A. We don't know. Apparently we saw her going upstairs, because it was -- when they went upstairs, they closed -- his quarters, it had a double door, so it was a door on top of the stairs -- i don't know if you've been }, CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000538 EFTA00029399

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Page 11 in the house -- and then there's another door going into his room. Se it was a long corridor. So everything was closed and nobody saw anything. Q. Would you clean up after? A. Once in a while, yes, I did. Most of the times I did. I did the cleanup. Q. Did it appear as if there was going to be more than one massage going on in the room? A. More than one massage? I don't know. It was massages. There was massages, because it was a hot oil, and it was -- you know this vibrator, the neck vibrators with the long handles. And towels, a lot of towels. We used a lot of towels in the house. Used like maybe 40, 50 towels a day, because every time he go in into the pool, it was two or three towels. Everything had to be cleaned up. I went most of the time to pick up the room and get it ready. Q. Did it ever appear to you that more went on in the room other than a massage? A. I just imagine. I never saw anything. But because it was closed doors. It was never done outside. Q. Based on the cleanup? A. Based on the cleanup -- at the end, I cannot say there was. At the end, it was a few times }. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000539 EFTA00029400

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Page 12 that the bed was undone. You know, we make the beds three or four times a day. And sometimes we went to clean up the massage to put it back, the massage table, to pick up the towels, but the bed was undone again. So either he tock a nap or he went for a nap, I don't know. Q. Or something else occurred? A. Or something else. I cannot. Q. Did the girls, would they bring their own stuff or they would use his stuff? A. No. We had everything. We had gallons of stuff, different stuff. Different massage oils? Different, all kinds. Different massagers? Different stuff. They would buy all over the world different types of -- for different -- Q. Did any of these massagers look like sex toys? At the end, at the last year that we were maybe three or four occasions that I saw in the sink, they were left out on the sink, and just -- Q. Where would he keep these massagers? When I was there, we keep all the stuff in J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000540 EFTA00029401

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Page 13 a basket inside Ms. Maxwell's closet. It was a big basket, about this round (indicating), with a cover on it. And we used to pick up from the towel and just dump it in there. That's it. That's the standard we went through. Q. What sink would you find those massagers Mostly in his sink, in his bathroom sink. His bathroom sink? Was Ms. Maxwell still his girlfriend at that time? A. Oh, yeah. Q. Still his girlfriend that you know of right A. Yeah. We left, she was still his girlfriend. I don't know now, but she was still there. Q. Why did you leave at the end? A. It was a hard job. It was an incredible hard job. So demanding. Hours were terrible, from 5 o'clock in the morning to 10 o'clock at night. I got very sick. My health went down the drain. I was diagnosed with cancer, polycythemia, a kind of blood cancer, and we had to leave. It was just too much for me. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000541 EFTA00029402

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Page 14 like a lot. For me and my wife, we both left. very demanding when he was here in A. It was terrible. Bad job. Pay was good, but we had enough. Q. I know you guys had a falling out a couple of years ago; I guess you weren't working with him anymore. This would have been in 2003. You guys had a falling out, remember? A. Yeah, we settled that. Q. That was settled? That was settled with him between us. Q. Was that -- A It was an amicable -- it was an agreement, mutual agreement. It was a mistake on my part. Q. Are there any questions you have of me? A. No. I told you the truth. We just imagined things that could have happened. I used to talk to my wife all day, working and was going on. We never heard anything. We never heard a complaint, or a girl crying. Q. Would these massage girls, especially }. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000542 EFTA00029403

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Page 15 towards the end, would they come alone or would they come with other people? A. Mostly they would come alone. It was one girl, one of the young girls, the one I can't think of it, she would bring somebody else. She'd bring other girls. But I didn't even know the names. Q. All of them would go downstairs? Yes. A Q. Or would one stay downstairs? A Most of the times when that girl came, it was at night. So after dinner -- after dinner, they went to the movies. And by the time they went to the movies, we clean up right away and tried to get out of there. And that was about 8, 9 o'clock at night. After, when they come back, I don't know what happened. Our quarters were a different -- I don't know if you've been in the house, but our quarters were separate. Q. It's seperate. A. Separate. Before -- that building is new. The guest quarters? Yeah, the guest quarters. Before, we had an apartment upstairs. They have the laundry and a little office 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000543 EFTA00029404

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Page 16 and the bedroom? A. Yes. That was 2001. Before that, we had an apartment upstairs in their house, in the main house. Q. In the little rooms upstairs across from his master bedroom? A. Right. Q. Was there ever any photographs that you can recall around the house? A. Girls, girls' photographs and guests’ photographs, yes. Q. Were they dressed or were they naked? A. Most of them were dressed. It was a lot of entertainment in the pool, around the pool area. But most of them were dressed. Q. When was the last time you spoke with Mr. Epstein? A. The last time I spoke with Mr. Epstein was about a week ago, when you left me the card. I got scared because of that fallout that we had, and I thought it was a consequence of that. And I called and says, thought it was an investigation against me on his part. Q. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. A. That's why I called him. That's the only reason that I called. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000544 EFTA00029405

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Before I even spoke to you. Q. Just when you found the card? A. When I find the card, I get scared. I said, What's going on now? Why are you bothering me now in my house? That's why I called him. He said, there is an investigation going on. I have nothing to talk te you. That's it. I said, Okay. He didn't give you any information as to -- A. No, not a word. Q. Has anybody else contacted you from Mr. Epstein or his organization, his assistants, his attorney? A. No, no, no. Q. Anyone that works for his attorney? A. For his attorney? Yes. For his attorney, the present attorney? Yes. That was an investigator that it was investigated on his side, I can't remember his name, but I understand it was from Roy Black's investigator basically asked me the same questions, exactly the same questions: What did I know, what did I know. When did this happen? J, CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000545 EFTA00029406

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Page 18 A. This happened about ten days ago -- about a week ago, ten days ago. I'm not sure what date. Q. Was his investigator's name -- It's the date after I contacted you. A Q. -- Paul, first name Paul? A Paul, Paul, yes. You have the last name? No. He asked me exactly the same questions. Did he offer you any money? Absolutely not. I would not take it. Did he tell you not to speak to me? No. He says -- no, he told me not to speak to you. He didn't say that to me. He says, It's your choice. You make that decision. And he says, If you hire a lawyer, you make that decision. And we feel that was important for us. 1 don't want to be involved with this thing. I'm out of the job three years ago, and that's why we hired Q. Did he ask you if anybody else has been contacted? No. Did he tell you that to call him back after }. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION $61.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000546 EFTA00029407

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our meeting? A. No, no. Q. Were you to have any contact any time after our meeting? A. If I will have a contact? I have no reason for it. I have no reason to call Jeffrey or anybody else. This is over, I hope. Q. well, this is basically an ongoing investigation, so obviously anything that we discuss hopefully will stay between us. Because it is still ongoing, I wouldn't want this out until the investigation is complete. A. It's not going anywhere. Even my kids don't know it. Q. He contacted you after you called Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. When I call him and I said, Jeffrey, what's going on? He said, mi I don't know what's going an in is in i So then 1 said, Whew, thank know what's happening. And then he says, I have an investigator that is investigating, the same thing the police J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000547 EFTA00029408

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department is doing. He's going to contact you. And that was the end of it. I think his name was Paul. I only met him about fifteen minutes, ten minutes. Q. You met at your house? A. No, no. I don't want him at my house. We at Carrabas restaurant, but it was not open, so we outside Carrabas. It took about ten minutes. Q. Going back to the items that were found in sink, can you describe any of those massagers? A. I only saw two things: It was a big, big -- I think a vibrator. Big (indicating). And it was a long -- I hate to -- I'm sorry. It was a long dick, I think. Rubber thing. And there was a thing you used it in the back, the vibrator in the back. Q. What color? A. We always had those. Not those toys. Vibrators, we have different types, one for the neck, one for the back. You know the one that has a battery and they move, with balls on it, vibrator. That's it. Those two things. Q. Do you remember any names of the girls that might have come over for massages? A. Yes. I remember some of them. From the J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000548 EFTA00029409

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1 beginning? 1 the end? 2 Q. As many as you can remember. 3 A. As many as I can remember. | 4 Q. I know it's been a while. - A. It vos It was i. And it -- | 6 it vos It was -- how many? | | | 7 It was also a young girl, but she was not a 8 massage therapist. She came to the house as a friend, I 9 think. I don't think she was a massage therapist. Her {10 mame was -~- aS a matter of fact, she's in a soap opera i1 now, she's a Just give me a minute. | 13 There also were men masseuses. . 114 Q. There were men too? 15 A. There were men. A few. Not that many. A 16 few. I can't remember. } 17 FY There was an , There was 18 a || I think every name -- girls’ names. In 19 eleven years, I cannot remember. G. That's fine. 22 were girls traveling with him as massage therapists. 23 They would travel with him all over the world, because he 24 was in the plane, he got massages on the plane, 25 because -- I know because I used to supply the oils and J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000549 EFTA00029410

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the towels for the plane. Q. Would you clean his plane too? A. No, no. Q. Did you ever travel with him anywhere? A. No, no. Q. When he went to New York or Arizona or his private island? A. I've been on his island. I've been as a guest, as a vacation. We just took vacations, and I went to his island in the Caribbean. And I've been in New Mexico. I've been at his house in London. But not as a worker, just vacation. Q. As a vacation? Uh-huh. We went to New Mexico for -- it was kind of a symposium about how to clean homes. It was this lady who make -- teach all the house people, housemen, and they invited us to Santa Fe, New Mexico, to teach us how to clean homes. That was kind of stupid. Q. How he wanted it to be cleaned? Q. Can you think of anything that I haven't asked you that might be relevant to this? A. I can't think of anything. Basically it's the same questions that the other investigator asked me. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000550 EFTA00029411

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Exactly the same. I wish I could give you more names. Allison -- Q. I'm not going to ask you to do that because I know it's been a long time. I can't think of stuff I did last week. A. It's been a long time. Q. If by any chance you are contacted again by his investigator again for any more questions or anything or any packages that he may deliver to you ~~ A. They have to go to Mr. Murrell. Q. I was going to say, have him contact your attorney. MR. MURRELL: Packages? Are we expecting 4 delivery of something? or. No. I'm just saying -- MR. MURRELL: Okay. Just making sure there wasn't something I didn't know about. ot. I.e., gifts, et cetera. That kind of thing. DET. | | I would appreciate a phone call just to give me a heads up. THE WITNESS: I do not intend to contact him at all. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000551 EFTA00029412

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Page 24 | 1 DET. aa: Okay. I appreciate it. 2 And that's it. 3 Thereupon, the sworn statement was 4 concluded at 1:05 p.m.) J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000552 EFTA00029413

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THE STATE OF FLORIDA, COUNTY OF PALM BEACH. 5 I, the undersigned authority, certify that || na personally appeared before me and was duly sworn. WITNESS my hand and official seal this 5th day of December, 2005. My Commission No. DD 098441 16 / My Commission expires 3/7/2006 17 18 25 Psoneare a UDUSBAR Expires March 7, 2006 booded Thre 19 peteccie Bonding Ca Bor, 20 22 23 24 25 J, CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000553 EFTA00029414

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The State Of Florida, County Of Palm Beach. I, Susan Shelling, Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the Florida at Large, do hereby certify that was by me first duly sworn to testify the 7 that I was authorized to and did report said sworn statement in stenotype; and that the foregoing pages, numbered from 1 to 24, inclusive, are a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said sworn statement. I further certify that said sworn statement was taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth and that the taking of said sworn statement was commenced and completed as hereinabove set out. I further certify that I am not an attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and/or direction of the certifying reporter. : * a otery-PEb in and for the State of Florida My Commission No. DD 098441 J My Commission Expires 3/7/2006 ‘ J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION 561.835.9738 NON PARTY (VR) 000554 EFTA00029415