= UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR Federal Grand Jury, 07-103 West Palm Beach, Florida February 27, 2007 APPEARANCES : ees. ©0022: Assistant United States Attorney PF Foreperson TESTIMONY Or ORIGINAL Gor | EFTA00009448

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Page 2 was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, State of Florida, on the 27th day of February, 2007. a. Court Reporter, was authorized to and did report the sworn testimony. EFTA00009449

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(The witness entered the grand jury room.) having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson, was examined and testified on her oath as follows: EXAMINATION 7] a: Q Good morning, special agent HL Could you restate and spell your name for the record. a it's i a i o—9"19 a Q Can you remind the grand jury who you are employed by? A The FBI. Q I know that you testified here a few weeks ago. Was there anything from that testimony that you wanted to correct? A I did. I was asked by one of you Mr. Epstein's age, and I confused him with another individual in another one of my cases. His birthdate is January 20, 1953. We are looking at the time period of 2004 and 2005. So Mr. Epstein would have been about 51 or 52-years-old, and I believe I told you he was 45. So at the time we're looking during this investigation, he is 51 or 52. Q Agent | tsi*@d how did this case first come to the attention of the police? logy lof (3 EFTA00009450

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Page 4 } 1 A In March of 2005, | Fez our youngest 2 identified victim -- her P| called the Palm Beach police department and reported that she believed that her stepdaughter had been molested by a male that resided in the town of Palm Beach. 6 Q So today we are going to talk about ma Ff A Yes. Q And we are using her initial to protect her identity, correct? Yes. Can you tell the grand jury | | , | date of 14 Q And you mentioned that the call came in from me in March of 2005, correct? A Yes. 17 Q So how old was || at that time? A She was 14. 19 Q Where does || live? 20 A HM lives in the area here in Palm Beach County. Q At the time, in 2005, what school was she attending? 25 Q What year was she in school? EFTA00009451

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Page 5 1 A She was a ninth-grader there. 2 Q You mentioned that her HE catiea the Palm Beach police department. What did the police department do in response to that call? 5 A They wanted to interview J. I believe it was 6 the next day they went out to where J was attending M school at that time, which I think was a. They 8 interviewed Jj at a: wanted to get her side of what took place. Q Because we'll be referring to this throughout, what was the name of the detective who conducted that first interview? 13 A Detective || 14 Q So in March of 2005, detective [J talkea with 16 A Yes. She was interviewed -- they talked to her Was JJ ever interviewed at any other times? again. She placed some controlled calls for them later that month, we will talk about that later. As well as she was interviewed about a year later in July of 2006. Not interviewed, but she testified before the grand jury for the State of Florida. So she was interviewed by detective JJ in March of 2005, and then about a year or three or four months later, in July of 2006, she testified before a grand jury with the State of Florida. Q In preparation for your appearance today, did Cey~y (A (> EFTA00009452

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you have a chance to interview J? A Yes, I did. Q And when was that? A Last night. Q Back in March of 2005, you mentioned that detective JJ met with JJ on or more than one occasion? A Yes. Q If you could give us sort of an overview of what HMMM reported during these interviews, and then if there are specific discrepancies or differences, we will return to those later. A All right. On February 5, 2005, it was a Saturday, and Jj J. was at J house, J J. she was there with her boyfriend, JJ J. And because these are minors, we'll refer to them without using their last names, so I'll use those initials. They were at || residence, and || i. is HN «~oyfriend, which is also J cousin. so they were all at [J house, and JJ was on the phone with an individual that || refers to as the assistant. MMM described the assistant as a tall blonde. So throughout I'll refer to her as the blonde lady, if that's okay. | was unable to recall her name. So HMM is on the phone with the assistant for Jeffrey EFTA00009453

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Epstein. HM anc MJ overhear QJ on the phone describing J. [ERM describing JJ to the lady on the phone. So when i gets off the phone, | | and HJ both want to know why JJ was being described to this lady on the phone. [JJ becomes upset when asks || if she would like to go to Palm Beach and give a man a massage that she knows. [J agrees, and this upsets [§. and an argument ensues where 9 and go into the bathroom and they argue outside the presence of i. Q Let me stop you there. was [J supposed to be paid for giving this massage? A Yes. | told || that she would be paid $200 or $300, I believe. Q You mentioned that | | is oe and HMMM is also ER BM. correct? A Yes. Q What was [J idea about why they were arguing? A She has told us that she believed that || must have known what [J was doing for this man and the work that | did for Mr. Epstein, and that is why || was so upset. Q so | | knew that this wasn't just a regular Copy (A (3 EFTA00009454

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massage that was going to take place? A Yes. Q So || and | have this argument. What does HMMM decide to do? A MMMM decides to go. Q Because she wanted to make the $200 or $300? A Yes. Q So tell us then what happened after that : | meeting? A The next day, February 6 -- they discussed that evening about going the next day. We do have on phone records two calls that were placed. One was placed ( to FE] GMM cel) phone, and the other was placed to Jeffrey Epstein's residence the night of February 5. The next day JJ is contacted a couple of times before MMMM arrives. Each time prior to J being contacted by J. a call is placed by J co HS «cell phone. QE] BJ. «© should tell you, is Jeffrey's assistant. | So on Sunday a call was placed to J EE. and then shortly after that a call was made to J. That same series occurs again, but this time | places a call to Mr. Epstein's residence, and then J is called again. ( Eventually, JJ comes to QJ residence with EFTA00009455

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Page 9 another girl in the car, JJ. So the two of them arrive at JJ residence, and they continue over to Mr. Epstein's house. Q HE is driving with QJ and I. do you know how they were sitting? A You know, I'm not sure how they were sitting, but I know that it was a pickup truck that JJ drove, and MJ was the driver. I'm not sure exactly the placement of the other two girls, but they were in the truck. Q And | | was able to describe how they travelled to the island of Palm Beach? A Yes. She gave directions -- you know, the best that she could on how she was able to come to Mr. Epstein's residence. Q Once they arrived at the residence, what happened? A I should have mentioned that either the night before or the day of, there were some things that | tells J. one, she tells JJ that she is to tell, if asked, that she is 18-years-of-age, that she attends high school, that she's in the 12th grade, and I believe it was Po that she was to say that she went to. Talking to JJ last night, JJ told us that Copy lof) (3 EFTA00009456

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Page 10 once she arrived at the residence JJ tells her that she may possibly be asked to take her clothes off. She also tells her that she can stay in her bra, but she may be asked to take her clothes off. and JJ told us last night that that's when she knew for the first time that she might have to possibly remove her clothes. At this point they proceed to enter the residence. || describes him as a security person. He approached and asked what they were doing there, and | | said they were there to see Mr. Epstein, or see Jeffrey. He allowed them entry into the kitchen area by the pool, and JJ describes that area. So now QR. EEE ana = ia are all sitting in the kitchen. A short time goes by and Mr. Epstein, as well as the assistant, enter the kitchen. Q And I know that you mentioned that JJ did not know the name of the lady who was there in the kitchen, correct? A Right. Q She just described her as a blonde, tall lady? A Yes. Q Was JJ also interviewed about what happened that day? A She was interviewed by the Palm Beach police ( department . EFTA00009457

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Page 11 1 Q Did MM identify the person who was on the phone with her as Hl | lrg 3 A Yes, she did. 4 Q So even though i doesn't know her name, |] knew I MEE vane? A Yes. 7 Q So you mentioned that the three girls are in the kitchen, along with Jeffrey and the person HMM calls the blonde lady? A Yes. Q What happened then? 12 A MMMM follows the blonde lady upstairs to 13 Mr. Epstein's bedroom. The blonde lady proceeds to take out a massage table and set it up, prepare it. She also takes out some lotions to be used during the massage. HMMM told me last night that the blonde lady asked her to 7 remove her clothing, and then left the room and said that Mr. Epstein would be in shortly. Q What happened after she left the room? 20 A Shortly after that, Mr. Epstein does come into the room and shakes J hand. (MJ told us last night that Mr. Epstein told her to remove her clothing. He leaves the room and comes back in just a towel, and he tells her again to -- she is at that point -- when he walked in the first time she had on her bra and her pants. Copy { of) 13 EFTA00009458

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Page 12 When he comes back in, he tells her that she needs to take her pants off. So she took her pants off. So now she's ‘in her bra and underwear. Q At some point did ma tell any of the people who interviewed her what was running through her mind? A She stated at one point that she was upstairs with him, with the man, and that Gi wes downstairs. I guess she says, "What could al do? She's downstairs, I'm upstairs." So she did what she was asked to do. Q So now you mention that Mr. Epstein is here wearing just a towel, and | | has removed both her shirt and her pants, is that correct? A Yes. Q Tell us what happens then? A Mr. Epstein gets on the massage table lying on his stomach and instructs HMMM bow to do the massage. He tells her to put some lotion on her hand and instructs her on how to actually perform the massage. At one point during the massage he tells | | that she would be more comfortable to get on top of him, so || gets on top of him and straddles Mr. Epstein's back. The way MJ describes it is Mr. Epstein is laying on the table, he has a towel covering his bottom, and she is straddling him with her bottom touching the towel and some skin touching his lower back. She was kind EFTA00009459

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Page 13 of sitting -- it sounds like sitting on his rear end, but with part of her skin touching him -- the front of him, but he had a towel across his bottom. Q What happens as she is providing the massage to his back? 6 A The massage goes on. She said the entire massage lasted anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes. At one point Mr. Epstein excuses himself for a few minutes, one 9 or two minutes briefly. [J states that she can hear 10 Mr. Epstein FSS and states that she 11 believes he was, in her vords 13 P I am going to use that she believes he was 14 15 Then he returns. At this point he gets back on the table lying on his back and asks her to start massaging his chest. So she begins to massage his chest. Q Does he keep the towel on? 19 A No, at this point the towel is removed. When he comes back and he gets back on the table, the towel is removed and she is massaging his chest. 22 Q What does he do as she is massaging his chest? some point during this time, if she would like to make an Levy lof (3 EFTA00009460

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Page 14 extra $100. He tells her that it would not involve doing a massage. iz agrees. He asked her if he could Si | CY and she does agree. iz describes it as said this goes on for about ten minutes. At some point during that massage What did she say happened when Mr. Epstein The ae . At some point he does looks at him kind of funny, and he sarcastically -- which is her word -- he sarcastically says, "What's the matter?" And she at that point just kind of looks away, and he three to four minutes of that, he 77 At the conclusion of the sexual activity, Q si able to provide a physical description of Mr. Epstein? EFTA00009461

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A Yes. Q Was she also able to provide a description of her surroundings in that massage area? A Yes. Q Was that description accurate? A Yes. According to other testimony we have gotten from other victims, yes. Q And a search was performed on Mr. Epstein's house? A Yes. The Palm Beach police department did perform a search, and several of the items that were described were found in the house. happened? A He told | | that she was getting the extra hundred dollars because he was allowed EE. massage had been concluded, the sexual activity had been concluded. He gets up and leaves for a brief moment of time and comes back with $300 and pays JJ the $300. I believe he told MMMM that she could see herself out. Q Before we leave that room, when Y | was either being directed to the room or was inside that room where the massage took place, was there anything in particular Cer, lof B EFTA00009462

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Page 16 that she noted seeing? A She noted seeing several naked pictures of girls in the room, a mural or pictures of naked girls either exposing their breasts or completely naked. Q While the massage was going on, did Mr. Epstein talk to Pr A Yes, he did. Q And did he talk about sexual conquests with girls? A Yes, he did. Q Once Mr. Epstein has provided || with the $300, what did she do? A She went back downstairs and she, | | and HMMM Leave the residence. In the car they ask [J how much money she has made, and she tells them $300. | wants to see the money. She shows the money to i. and HMMM asks what did she do. At that point J tells her Q When they left the house, where did they go? A When they left the house, they were on their way to a mall to go shopping with the money that they had received from Mr. Epstein. || had told || the night before that she needed some shoes and wanted to go to the mall, and she was going to Mr. Epstein's to pick up some money. That was another reason that she had for going to EFTA00009463

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Page 17 By Mr. Epstein's house that day, and that they were going to go shopping after she got her money, and that mi could make some money. 4 Q During that ride, did mm realize that ma received money from Mr. Epstein? 6 A Yes. At some point mm knows that , | 7 received $200, but is unsure that | | ever gave a 8 massage. So at that particular time im did not know why she had gotten the $200, because she didn't think that GH hed had time to give a massage. 4 , F ‘ F ‘ 11 Q In ; interview, did she explain what she got the $200 for? 13 A | told the Palm Beach police department in her interview that she received her $200 for bringing | | to the house. Q You mentioned that there were these three different time periods that | | was interviewed: Shortly after the events, at the time of the state grand jury proceedings, and when you met with her, correct? A Yes. Q And there were some discrepancies between the different interviews. Can you explain some of those to the grand jury. 24 A Before we go and get to that, I want to make sure that -- when we discussed what | was told in the EFTA00009464

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Page 18 car by i. that we learned from interview with the Palm Beach police department. So I don't know if I said that, but I want to make sure you know that we first 4 learned that = Pe listening to the 5 interview that was conducted between the Palm Beach police department and i. not from iz. When I talk later, I just want to make sure you realize that that had not initially come out in | | interview, but through the interview with | | . So going back. I'm sorry, discrepancies? Q Yes. 12 A I met with | | last night to discuss some of the discrepancies when looking at what she had talked to detective | | about in March of 2005 and what she had testified to in the grand jury in July of 2006. Reading the testimony and listening to the tapes, or reading the- transcript, there were a few discrepancies. One of the first ones we talked about was what | had told her about going to Mr. Epstein's house. She tells detective | that she was told about the 21 massage, told about getting $200, but that she was not told that she would have to take her clothes off. She didn't know she would have to perform the massage naked. When I asked her last night that question, she told me that when she got to the house prior to going into EFTA00009465

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Page 19 Mr. Epstein's residence, that [Jf did tell her that she may be asked to take off her clothes. She also did state that QJ told her she could stay in her bra. So I wanted you to know that there was a discrepancy in what she originally had told detective | and what she told me last night. That would be one. The second discrepancy I wanted to touch on with her was going upstairs and taking off her clothing. When she is in that room, she states to detective | | that MMMM asked her to remove her clothing, and she took off her shirt. Then Mr. Epstein came in the room, shook her hand and told her to take off her clothes. He leaves, he comes back in a towel. He tells her again. | | tells detective || in a stern voice, "Mr. Epstein told me to take off my pants." Because she hadn't taken off her pants from the first time that she met him. In her testimony with the grand jury with the state, she tells the grand jury that it was || who asked her to remove her clothing. So last night we went over with her who told her to remove what. She had a very hard time recalling exactly. She knew she had gotten down to her bra and underwear. And then at some point, when we're going through the sexual activity, she actually tells me that her underwear was off when he =e Laay (eh 03 EFTA00009466

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Page 20 Later in the interview, we tell her about what we have in her testimony to the grand jury and her statements made to detective a. And she really is having a difficult time trying to remember who told her to take off her clothes and her pants. As we are walking through the sexual activity, she does recall and states that it was Mr. Epstein who told her to take off her pants. I guess I'll go to the third discrepancy. Is there anything I left off with that? Q Well, does she report that when the assistant leads -- or the blonde lady leads her upstairs, that the blonde lady also said, "Get undressed," but that didn't get fully undressed? A That's what she said in her statement to the detective, when she gives her first statement. She tells us again last night that that's what she recalled. Q That the lady said first, "Get undressed," but she doesn't get fully undressed. And when Jeffrey comes back, he said, "Take your pants off."? A Yes. And again, like I said, when we started interviewing her and asking her about this, she did have a hard time. But when we were walking through the sexual activity, that's when she recalls who told her to take off her pants. EFTA00009467

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Page 21 And I'll tell you, when we talked about the sexual activity, and it comes out that she wasn't wearing a. she does not recall how they came off. She cannot remember removing her underwear. She doesn't remember if Mr. Epstein removed her underwear. She knows her underwear was off, but she cannot tell you exactly at what point her underwear was removed. Q Let's talk about the third discrepancy. The third is the sexual activity, when she was originally interviewed by detective yyy about the comes and sees her again a few weeks later, she does She also says that to the grand jury, she talks about the Last night she told us about Po ae . When we asked her about if PF and that Hill had told the police night that she a Mr. Epstein, but that she thought only her and Hill knew about this and that she did not want her father to know cnar i. She didn't want anybody to know, but she especially didn't want her father to know, that that was her business. That EFTA00009468

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Page 22 1 she did not know that | | had told anybody, she thought it was only her and || that knew. She was embarrassed and didn't want anybody to know that. Q Did she become visually upset? S A Yes, she began crying when we asked her about knew about that, she became very upset and concerned about her father. She mentioned that her father has read a lot of the reports in the State of Florida, and has followed the state's case. She was concerned about even telling il us, afraid that he would be able to-read in our reports about this. We explained to her that the FBI's reporting is a little bit different than the way the state -- those are public records, and ours is part of our case file. Q In addition to the fact that she had these concerns about her father and she was embarrassed, in your experience of interviewing victims of sexual abuse, is it typical for them to not disclose all of the sexual activity? 21 A Yes, it's very typical. And young girls, they don't want to talk about it. This is just another case of her not wanting to tell exactly what took place. 24 Q After that first visit to Mr. Epstein's house, and the interviews with detective ia. did detective EFTA00009469

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Page 25 Q On April 1, the following day, did Tg exe calls to yp A From the Palm Beach police department, they were able to take voice mail messages left by , iil phone stating that ll could come and work on Saturday around 11:00. Q I think you mentioned this ‘last time, but in case you didn't, did the Palm Beach police department do trash pulls at Mr. Epstein's house? A Yes, they did. Q Was there anything of value related to this series of calls that were recovered? A Yes. There was a trash pull done in the beginning of April, and in the trash there was a piece of paper that on it had | name, lnm name, and I believe it was 10:30 listed on the piece of paper. Q It said al with i on Saturday at 10:30? A Yes, it did. Q In addition to the actual recordings of those Phone calls and voice mail messages, do you also have telephone records from both Til cell phone and Iz cell phone that match up? A Yes. Q Just to go back to something that you mentioned. Who actually gave the $300 cash to | | at the day she was lopy 04 1? EFTA00009470

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at Mr. Epstein's house? A Mr. Epstein. You mentioned a girl named JP Yes. Was | also interviewed? Yes, she was. Was she asked about going with J to take to Mr. Epstein's house? Yes. Was she asked who the youngest-looking girl was? Yes. Q What did she say? A She discussed [J looking young in her interview with the Palm Beach police department. a a Those are all of my questions for you now. If you could please step outside, I'1l see if the grand jurors have any. (Witness excused, and then returned.) “_ —-, Q Agent a. we have just a few questions. One relates to the conversation between Mr. Epstein and | | about his exploits with other girls. Did Mr. Epstein say anything about the age of those girls? A He said that -- in particular on one case he talked about a young girl that he was in the back seat EFTA00009471 —~

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Page 23 | ask iz to make what are called controlled calls? A Yes. 3 Q Can you explain to the grand jury what a controlled call is? 5 A A controlled call is where we actually have a listening device, where we have an individual place a call to somebody and we are able to record the other person's voice and the conversation that takes place between the person that we're having make the call and the person that they are calling. li Q Who did detective J ask HJ to call? 12 A GMM was asked to call IJ on the phone. And did she do so? Yes, she did. Q Can you tell the grand jury when the calls were? 16 A I believe the first call was made towards the 17 end of March, I believe it was March 30. | | called 18 (BMJ at the Olive Garden where J works. EJ was concerned that | father had found out somehow and that they knew about it. And she refers to him as Jeffrey, but Mr. Epstein. || told her that they did not know about 23 Mr. Epstein. Later in the conversation iz tells her 24 that Mr. Epstein would like her to come back and work for him, and that maybe she could work for him tomorrow. So EFTA00009472

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Page 24 they agreed that there would be a call between ia and | | tomorrow, that la will call | | tomorrow. Q Were there calls also made on March 31 of 2006? A There were two calls made on March 31. The first one she doesn't connect to ia. The second call that was made a short time later, | | answers the phone. Again, there is a discussion about || coming to work for Mr. Epstein. i tells | | -- one of the comments that is made is, "The more you do, the more you make." || is asking her how much can I make. Again, detective JJ is there, and Jj is asking J. how much can I make. [J is telling that she'll have to ask Mr. Epstein that, that she is going to see Mr. Epstein tomorrow and that she'll talk to Mr. Epstein. There is conversation about [J and her twin sister possibly coming to Mr. Epstein's house. There is some discussion about her coming to work for Mr. Epstein. Q Just so it's clear, because there were a lot of shes, QJ is telling 9 that QBN is going to see Epstein the following day? A Yes. Q And that | | is going to set up a schedule with Mr. Epstein for || and her sister to work for him? A Yes. EFTA00009473

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Page 27 with, and her parents were in the front seat. He told MMB that they were having sex in the back seat -- were doing sexual things in the back seat while he was carrying on a conversation with the parents in the front seat. I guess they were on their way home from a business party. This was one of the stories that he had talked about. Q But at no time did he provide any specific ages about any of those girls? A No. Q What was QJ age at the time she took I to Mr. Epstein's house? A She was 18. Q Did Mr. Epstein ask || anything about her age? A He did. He asked her how old she was, she said she was 18. He asked her what grade she was in, she said she was in the 12th grade. He asked her where she went to school, and she said she went ~ 6hUté‘“i~S* Q I know we will be doing a lot more discussion about | later. But could you tell us briefly how HMMM was recruited to go to Mr. Epstein's house? A MMMM was at the beach, and two individuals approached her about making money and giving a massage to Mr. Epstein. Q How old was ia when she first went to Ley, | A (3 EFTA00009474 Mr. Epstein's house?

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Page 28 A Through phone records, we have contact between HS anc BR starting at age 17. GN ME. 205 are all the questions. Thank you. (Witness excused, and then returned.) jj om_«, Q The question was, was there any particular evidence to suggest that Mr. Epstein knew that [J was under the age of 18? A I would say through the interviews of the multiple girls that went to Mr. Epstein's house -- the way that having seen [J last night, and now she's 16 -- this was two years ago -- that [J age and behavior -- and again, is that more circumstantial evidence? As far as concrete evidence, no. But just by her appearance and her mannerisms and how I observed her last night at age 16. Q And that's consistent with what JJ said during her statement, correct? A Yes, it is. mS. QM: | Any other questions? JUROR: Did she look 18? THE WITNESS: Does [J look 18? Not in my opinion, sir. ms. QJ. «811 right. Any other questions? Okay, thank you, very much. EFTA00009475

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(Witness excused.) CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I CERTIFY pages 1 to 28 is a true transcript of my shorthand notes of the testimony of Hil es before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida, on the 27th day of February, 2007. Dated at West Palm Beach, Florida this 18th day of March, 2007. Philip W. May, Court Reporter Lopy [0617 EFTA00009476

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